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Good overview of Russian GeoPolitics
This just popped up on my youtube feed:





Apparently, Russia has their own Peter Zeihan, Aleksandr Dugin, who wrote a book called The Foundations of Geopolitics.

Sadly, it has not been translated into English.

It essentially spells out the nitty gritty of Peter Zeihan's thesis that Russia needs to reconquer its defensive points, most of which now lie outside of its territory.



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God bless Putin:



07-06-2019 07:21 AM
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I don't understand at all that rant about Dugin's book. It just seems like a weird fable of "Yeah, they're Russia, they just wanna take stuff over."

I don't even know what the purpose of it is.

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(07-07-2019 07:43 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I don't understand at all that rant about Dugin's book. It just seems like a weird fable of "Yeah, they're Russia, they just wanna take stuff over."

I don't even know what the purpose of it is.

Most of Russia's history is a story of invasion, from the Mongols to the Swedes to the French to the Germans. Its whole view of the world is filtered through this lens.

Russia cannot defend itself with its present geography. Many of the geographical choke points that it needs to do so are outside of its present territory. The collapse of the Soviet Union was a disaster for Russia since it left it exposed to invasion.

It takes a little getting used to, but Zeihan made a map of Russia's situation. The red parts are the geographical barriers Russia needs to control and the blue arrows are the routes of invasion between those barriers Russia needs to guard. The green parts are where one can grow wheat which Russia needs to defend. Note that there are usually huge and impossible to defend plains behind the line of defense.

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Maybe I should have put the Zeihan video first. He explains Russia's problem brilliantly. I do not know how realistic Dugin's plan is, but it lines up perfectly with Zeihan's assessment. While the video says "taking over the world" for clicks, every part of the plan simply attempts to recapture at least one of the 9 of the blue arrows in the picture above.

One part of the video that I absolutely do know is true from the Mitrokhin archive, which is a large part of the KGB archive given to the MI5 by a KGB defector in the early 90s. It is that first the Soviet Union believed and now Russia believes that creating a civil war in the USA is in its best interest because it will leave Europe and East Asia undefended by the US military.

The Democrats are absolutely right that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 election. However, they never mention that Russia (and before it the Soviets) has done so for decades. What made 2016 different was that they could use social media to massively amplify their traditional tactics of trying to tear the USA apart, especially racially. Ever heard the urban legend that the CIA developed AIDS to kill blacks? That was created by the KGB back in the 1980s in hopes of creating more racial division and hopefully a race war in the USA. As well, the Dems lost badly and looked for any excuse, which the digital trail of Russia provided a very good one.
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(07-12-2019 07:21 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  One part of the video that I absolutely do know is true from the Mitrokhin archive, which is a large part of the KGB archive given to the MI5 by a KGB defector in the early 90s. It is that first the Soviet Union believed and now Russia believes that creating a civil war in the USA is in its best interest because it will leave Europe and East Asia undefended by the US military.

I do not doubt this.

So the implication is that if the US is at each other's throats, then they'll sound the horns to take back the FSU states?

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(07-06-2019 07:21 AM)Crusader Wrote:  God bless Putin:




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(07-12-2019 10:21 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(07-12-2019 07:21 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  One part of the video that I absolutely do know is true from the Mitrokhin archive, which is a large part of the KGB archive given to the MI5 by a KGB defector in the early 90s. It is that first the Soviet Union believed and now Russia believes that creating a civil war in the USA is in its best interest because it will leave Europe and East Asia undefended by the US military.

I do not doubt this.

So the implication is that if the US is at each other's throats, then they'll sound the horns to take back the FSU states?

Pretty much. A US Civil War would almost certainly lead to a long term breakdown of the USA being able to project military power globally and certainly over EurAsia. That would give Russia the breathing room it needs to carry out this plan.
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(07-12-2019 07:21 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  The Democrats are absolutely right that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 election. However, they never mention that Russia (and before it the Soviets) has done so for decades. What made 2016 different was that they could use social media to massively amplify their traditional tactics of trying to tear the USA apart, especially racially. Ever heard the urban legend that the CIA developed AIDS to kill blacks? That was created by the KGB back in the 1980s in hopes of creating more racial division and hopefully a race war in the USA. As well, the Dems lost badly and looked for any excuse, which the digital trail of Russia provided a very good one.

The problem with the Russia narrative and all other such recent narratives pointing fingers at Iran, Russia, or China is that the nature of spycraft is that even allied nations have attemped to influence elections in various ways. Maybe a lot of you guys are too young to remember but Clinton was directly receiving funds through mainland Chinese sources funneled through Buddhist orgs way back in the 90's. I don't think the political dominoes related to that fiasco were ever completely unraveled either.

The bigger issue with just pointing fingers at Russia is that it also ignores the much larger elephant in the room which is why the U.S. is beholden to a tiny nation state and its geopolitical policies.

The irony here is that if you viewed the influence, geopolitics, and damage caused by Russia or Israel over the past 50 years to the U.S. as a whole then Israel comes out way ahead in U.S. lives, trillions spent on useless wars, and overall bad diplomatic precedent paved for the future.

"Our greatest ally though!"

It is complete idiocy and at this point it is destiny. No turning this freight train around it is going to collide against a wall at some point.

Only thing to do now is to count how many dead goy there will be after the next middle east adventure.
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