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RE: Thoughts after 1 year on TRT.
This sounds like a paid advertisement for Test Big Grin

I know it isn't, but with all these reports I'd really like to hear from someone who was on it for 10-20 years.

Otherwise, it is almost too good to resist.
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RE: Thoughts after 1 year on TRT.
Probably a lot easier to find a 60 year old with low T and ask him how much his life sucks.
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RE: Thoughts after 1 year on TRT.
(06-19-2017 01:17 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  This sounds like a paid advertisement for Test Big Grin

I know it isn't, but with all these reports I'd really like to hear from someone who was on it for 10-20 years.

Otherwise, it is almost too good to resist.

Go to ExcelMale.com, lots of guys there on TRT for many years.

Jay Campbell of TRTRevolution has been on for 17 years.

But the bottom line is, if you are truly feeling like total shit, and TRT gives you back a great quality of life, sex drive, eliminates massive depression and anxiety, gives you energy motivation to get out of bed, would you really give a fuck what it does in 20 years time?

I wouldn't. Especially considering the current scientific data out there which points to basically no major consequences.
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RE: Thoughts after 1 year on TRT.
Hah, how about the fact that normal T levels prevent numerous diseases. And possibly Alzheimer's.

The thing you have to consider is that TRT is to bring you into the normal range, which is healthy. Its not to turn you into a superhuman. Running 150mg of test a week is just going to make you feel how you are supposed to

Nothing unhealthy about the actual drug itself, it's all dose dependent.
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RE: Thoughts after 1 year on TRT.
(06-08-2017 07:47 AM)Tully Mars Wrote:  ...
I really don't have many negatives to report about TRT. I do sometimes start to feel a bit sluggish later in the week as I only inject once a week (1 amp/200mg.) I have discussed doing twice a week half/half injection to level out the inevitable "coming down" feeling. Besides my estradiol coming back a little high all my blood work results have been in target.
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I've read about a lot of guys on TRT forums doing more frequent injections, even daily injections, because smaller and more frequent injections help stabilize testosterone levels and reduce estrogen-related side effects.

The typical doctor-prescribed TRT protocol that I've seen is 130mg to 140mg per week with two injections per week.

Higher weekly dosages of testosterone create a much higher chance of side of effects therefore it seems that most guys taking 200mg or 250mg per week would inject at least twice per week or more often (3 times per week or every other day).
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(06-21-2017 07:24 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  I've read about a lot of guys on TRT forums doing more frequent injections, even daily injections, because smaller and more frequent injections help stabilize testosterone levels and reduce estrogen-related side effects.

The typical doctor-prescribed TRT protocol that I've seen is 130mg to 140mg per week with two injections per week.

Higher weekly dosages of testosterone create a much higher chance of side of effects therefore it seems that most guys taking 200mg or 250mg per week would inject at least twice per week or more often (3 times per week or every other day).

I've never heard of anyone on 150mg experiencing negative sides. I think at the medically recommended dosage its well established to be both safe, and worthwhile.

The big problem is with people who claim to be "on TRT", yet who take 500mg a week because they're chasing gains they don't have the work ethic to gain naturally. And who're obviously self dosing, not under medical supervision. They're far far more likely to have negative sides. And/or to come off it in a few years when they give up on the whole working out thing that they were never dedicated enough about in the first place, and experience horrific sides. I've known a couple of guys from rugby teams who this happened to.

Its one of the things that gives TRT a somewhat bad rap with the general public. People who're taking way more than the medical dosage are way more inclined to experience the negative sides. Yet to the lay person all they hear is "on TRT", so they tar it all with the same brush.
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RE: Thoughts after 1 year on TRT.
Personal experience:

I've been on TRT for 18 months. At 35yo, I had destroyed my body and my E2 levels with copious amounts of alcohol. My only saving grace was my knowledge of nutrition and hardhadedness about eating as healthily as possible, despite my desire to destroy and drown my body in alcohol. When I had my blood drawn, I clocked in at just over 300 total T and over 40E2. After my bloods, I spent a year trying different methods to raise my T naturally, and then a year later another 6 months researching and learning about T injections. After doing my due diligence I decided to dive.

First three months were weekly pins of 150mg. I found my end of week troughs to be detrimental to my daily interactions so I switched to twice weekly. Likewise, after proceeding bloodwork, my E2 levels were unacceptably high. I then switched to EOD pins, which eventually evolved to ED pins. I now pin every day simply because it falls easily in line with my daily regimen and keeps my levels super stable. So stable, in fact, that I no longer rely on any chemical AI, and only use DIM, I3C and Resveratrol to manage my E2.

On top of all of that, I was working out, lifting, following a PPL routine for almost a year (credit to Cr33pin for that), and gained quite a bit of structural upper body mass. I filled out, for sure, but that didn't help the underlying issues of E2 mangement and liver values. It's taken me AT LEAST this long to get agood grasp on my vitals, and that's been with quaterly blood draws, paying attention to my body, and even asking other people how they percieve my moods.

Next month, my wife and I both are going to an anti-aging clinic in HK to get a Spectra-Cell micronutrient examination done. That's a bit of a discussion for another thread, but this is the kind of stuff you have to be willing to dive into if you want to start mucking around with AAS, Optimal Nutrition, and overall health. More specifically, if you're planning on, on bullheadedly intent upon fucking with AAS, SARMS, SERMS, PPARS, etc, then you better goddamned well be ready and able to afford and pay for the vital tests necessary to make sure you're not fucking your shit up royally.

Very simple, case in point. I test my glucose and ketone levels MWF, I have my blood hormone levels tested every three months, and after this first micronutrient panel I will have them tested yearly.

It sounds a bit insane, but there's a saying, "You don't know where you're going if you don't know where you are."

Personally, I think anyone serious about TRT should be pinning every day, not just for stability, but also for rolling it into a daily routine. More importantly, however, I think any young man on this forum who reads a response from another member that encourages him to jump into something, or even gives him examples of what or how he could run his first cycle, should put on his discernment goggles and really view that advice with as much scrutiny as you would a contract selling your soul, because this stuff is not for the faint of heart, nor those who are easily scared by the slightest body abnormality or discomfort. Nor should anyone here even be considering giving advice to anyone on where to go until they at least produce sufficient proof of where they are. That's not to say that's not happening here, but more of a broad generalization, for better or worse.

As for me, and my routine, I wake up, do my 15min of HIIT cardio, I pin my test, I take my morning vitamins and supplements, and I make my morning shake (broccoli sprouts, red beet powder, slice of raw kidney, scoop of protein). Lift on the in between days. I can't hang with all these young guys trying to be the next Arnold. I just want to be the next better me.
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RE: Thoughts after 1 year on TRT.
It depends where you were when you started.

If you're 40 and still have good test levels then there is no reason to start.
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RE: Thoughts after 1 year on TRT.
Nomad, I know of several dudes who have been on TRT for 10+ years.

One dude is 40ish and looks late twenties. He has everything dialed in and has had it all in for 10 years.

The other dude is in his 60s and can pass for late 40s. He is also very professional with his diet and exercise (he's a personal trainer). He has been doing testosterone for well over 30 years.

Both of these dudes are super healthy and knowledgable on this stuff.

Jsway probably knows of the two dudes I am referring to.

I did not write this thread as advertising. I am not paid for any of this. I pay for my testosterone, blood panels and everything out of pocket and will do so happily into the future. I just wanted to talk about my experiences with TRT since I went on 1 year ago. Don't worry, I'm not going to start pushing any TRT-related products onto the men of this forum, even though I am technically high enough rep to get away with advertising my own stuff here. Haha.

As I have said many times: don't just fucking inject shit into your body because you think you should. In fact, I refuse to even really discuss TRT with someone unless they're done their bloodwork and doesn't seem like a moron.

The other thing I wanted to add is go back to my posts from before may 2016 and read them and read my posts now. I think my attitude and mood are way better after TRT. I used to feel grim and angry all the time. now I find that I am a lot more positive, motivated and results-oriented.

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(Yesterday 09:21 AM)Steelex Wrote:  It depends where you were when you started.

If you're 40 and still have good test levels then there is no reason to start.

I wholly agree, but this thread is not about a dude in his 40s in a midlife trough. Thiis is about a dude that is basically a baby, in biological terms. He doesn't need guys preaching to him the values of TRT, he needs men telling him to do the absolute must he can do to raise his levels naturally, and to avoid exogenous hormones at all costs, and only turn to them as an absolute last resort.
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(Yesterday 05:26 AM)zatara Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 07:24 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  I've read about a lot of guys on TRT forums doing more frequent injections, even daily injections, because smaller and more frequent injections help stabilize testosterone levels and reduce estrogen-related side effects.

The typical doctor-prescribed TRT protocol that I've seen is 130mg to 140mg per week with two injections per week.

Higher weekly dosages of testosterone create a much higher chance of side of effects therefore it seems that most guys taking 200mg or 250mg per week would inject at least twice per week or more often (3 times per week or every other day).

I've never heard of anyone on 150mg experiencing negative sides. I think at the medically recommended dosage its well established to be both safe, and worthwhile.
I guess it depends on your definition of side effects. On page 2 of this thread doc holliday said he takes arimidex even though he only takes 80mg per week of testosterone. In my opinion he has side effects, i.e. high estrogen levels. His estrogen levels are high enough for him to take arimidex and you want to avoid arimidex/aromasin if at all possible.

(Yesterday 07:35 AM)J_Sway Wrote:  First three months were weekly pins of 150mg. I found my end of week troughs to be detrimental to my daily interactions so I switched to twice weekly. Likewise, after proceeding bloodwork, my E2 levels were unacceptably high. I then switched to EOD pins, which eventually evolved to ED pins. I now pin every day simply because it falls easily in line with my daily regimen and keeps my levels super stable. So stable, in fact, that I no longer rely on any chemical AI, and only use DIM, I3C and Resveratrol to manage my E2.
This is exactly what I was talking about. Frequent injections are common for guys who have done their homework. However, there are a lot guys doing 200mg or 250mg per week with only one injection per week and a lot of guys taking arimidex/aromasin while taking only one testosterone injection per week. It doesn't make sense. It's also an indicator that this forum might not be the best place to learn about TRT and one of the reasons I made this post.
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(Yesterday 07:35 AM)J_Sway Wrote:  Personal experience:

I've been on TRT for 18 months. At 35yo, I had destroyed my body and my E2 levels with copious amounts of alcohol. My only saving grace was my knowledge of nutrition and hardhadedness about eating as healthily as possible, despite my desire to destroy and drown my body in alcohol. When I had my blood drawn, I clocked in at just over 300 total T and over 40E2. After my bloods, I spent a year trying different methods to raise my T naturally, and then a year later another 6 months researching and learning about T injections. After doing my due diligence I decided to dive.

First three months were weekly pins of 150mg. I found my end of week troughs to be detrimental to my daily interactions so I switched to twice weekly. Likewise, after proceeding bloodwork, my E2 levels were unacceptably high. I then switched to EOD pins, which eventually evolved to ED pins. I now pin every day simply because it falls easily in line with my daily regimen and keeps my levels super stable. So stable, in fact, that I no longer rely on any chemical AI, and only use DIM, I3C and Resveratrol to manage my E2.

On top of all of that, I was working out, lifting, following a PPL routine for almost a year (credit to Cr33pin for that), and gained quite a bit of structural upper body mass. I filled out, for sure, but that didn't help the underlying issues of E2 mangement and liver values. It's taken me AT LEAST this long to get agood grasp on my vitals, and that's been with quaterly blood draws, paying attention to my body, and even asking other people how they percieve my moods.

Next month, my wife and I both are going to an anti-aging clinic in HK to get a Spectra-Cell micronutrient examination done. That's a bit of a discussion for another thread, but this is the kind of stuff you have to be willing to dive into if you want to start mucking around with AAS, Optimal Nutrition, and overall health. More specifically, if you're planning on, on bullheadedly intent upon fucking with AAS, SARMS, SERMS, PPARS, etc, then you better goddamned well be ready and able to afford and pay for the vital tests necessary to make sure you're not fucking your shit up royally.

Very simple, case in point. I test my glucose and ketone levels MWF, I have my blood hormone levels tested every three months, and after this first micronutrient panel I will have them tested yearly.

It sounds a bit insane, but there's a saying, "You don't know where you're going if you don't know where you are."

Personally, I think anyone serious about TRT should be pinning every day, not just for stability, but also for rolling it into a daily routine. More importantly, however, I think any young man on this forum who reads a response from another member that encourages him to jump into something, or even gives him examples of what or how he could run his first cycle, should put on his discernment goggles and really view that advice with as much scrutiny as you would a contract selling your soul, because this stuff is not for the faint of heart, nor those who are easily scared by the slightest body abnormality or discomfort. Nor should anyone here even be considering giving advice to anyone on where to go until they at least produce sufficient proof of where they are. That's not to say that's not happening here, but more of a broad generalization, for better or worse.

As for me, and my routine, I wake up, do my 15min of HIIT cardio, I pin my test, I take my morning vitamins and supplements, and I make my morning shake (broccoli sprouts, red beet powder, slice of raw kidney, scoop of protein). Lift on the in between days. I can't hang with all these young guys trying to be the next Arnold. I just want to be the next better me.

Thanks for the info, J_Sway. Really good stuff.

How would you say you feel now? Has the TRT made a significant difference in your life?
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(Yesterday 02:47 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  This is exactly what I was talking about. Frequent injections are common for guys who have done their homework. However, there are a lot guys doing 200mg or 250mg per week with only one injection per week and a lot of guys taking arimidex/aromasin while taking only one testosterone injection per week. It doesn't make sense. It's also an indicator that this forum might not be the best place to learn about TRT and one of the reasons I made this post.

This is a very good point.

This thread is great for people to get their feet wet, and learn that TRT is an option out there, but it isn't a place to get your protocol. You really need to work with a knowledgeable HRT doctor.

Your GP, or even endocrinologist is probably extremely ignorant about TRT and not a place to start.

ExcelMale.com is a very good forum to check out if you suspect you may have low t, or other hormonal issues.

A lot of people have low t like symptoms, but not actually low t, so it's important to work with a very good doctor before jumping on TRT as there are many other things to look at before jumping on injections.
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Anyone have experience using Clomid to naturally generate T, rather than taking T directly?
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I've never used Clomid so I don't know much about it, but why not just use testosterone? Seems like a roundabout way of improving testosterone.

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Clomid has some pretty shitty sides. It's not a drug I'd want to use unless I had to.
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(Yesterday 03:13 PM)Hypno Wrote:  Anyone have experience using Clomid to naturally generate T, rather than taking T directly?

Some HRT doctors will prescribe Clomid before TRT from what I understand, but it seems men rarely get lasting benefits from it and end up on TRT anyways.
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