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RE: Supplements and foods that may DECREASE testosterone
(05-19-2017 10:05 AM)whenthesunhits Wrote:  I got this filter, it's awesome. A little bit of handy work to install but pretty easy. Highly recommended. High quality water is so important.

https://www.amazon.com/APEC-5-Stage-Reve...B00I0ZGOZM

Mint decreases T so watch out. It's a shame because sweet mint tea is awesome, developed a taste for this after visiting Morocco.

Alcohol, marijuana, and opiates all crush T levels. Be very wary. Nicotine may actually increase T, there are conflicting studies. Nicotine also clearly improves verbal skills and concentration, however weighing that against its negative impacts on your erections and hair over the long run (obviously critical things for a man in the game), it isn't worth it.

I use all-natural personal care products when I can, but avoid tea tree oil and lavender as ingredients. They are anti-androgenic and estrogenic (check out the study below). Especially for toothpaste, something going inside your mouth will absorb to a much greater degree than things that only touch your skin.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa064725

For a good toothpaste that is totally clean, I recommend this one. It is totally free of SLS which is a terrible ingredient in all commercial toothpastes.

https://www.amazon.com/Redmond-Earthpast...Q2TOG?th=1

Also, if any of you use the anti-fungal shampoo Nizoral (active ingredient is Ketaconazole), it has an anti-T effect. This is partially why it is often used as a hair loss remedy.

Weleda toothpaste being one of the best I have found:

https://www.amazon.com/Weleda-Salt-Tooth...CNZMBKEHBX

They have various different kinds and I highly recommend it - completely non-toxic. You could eat it and that is what you should be able to do with most cosmetics.

As body lotion/cream/lip balm I simply use organic unprocessed shea butter, though processed shea butter is fine too. And again you can eat shea butter - it is even used as an ingredient. You can also spend cash on more expensive pure cocoa butter, but I find shea butter sufficient for any use.


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I even have sex on the organic gravy train and use coconut oil as a lubricant - girls get fucked the organic way by me and it is nice, slippery and you can eat it. Some girls were even amazed that it works so well because they are used to those strange commercial lubricants. And coconut oil helps you burn calories, so getting at taste of it from my dick is actually healthy.

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Excellent for cooking and butt-stuff (or close to virginal tight pussy).
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A common source of BPA is thermal paper (receipts and similar print-outs) so avoid touching these as much as possible.

Parabens and Triclosan are in many personal care products and they reduce T http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...8X07001329

Many pharmaceuticals reduce T, a few key ones are statins (Lipitor etc, terrible in many ways so must avoid), corticosteroids (Prednisone etc), cimetidine (Tagamet), sulfasalazine, and possibly NSAIDs like ibuprofen and naproxen. NSAIDs are terrible for you in many ways, especially when combined with alcohol, this is a very common cause of death due to internal bleeding. It's hard to fully avoid NSAIDs, but I would recommend using them as little as possible.

Men using statins have lower T and reduced testicular volume https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20141585
Cimetidine blocks T synthesis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4039555
Associations between NSAIDs and sex hormones http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/757423_4
Men using sulfasalazine have lower T and sperm abnormalities https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6146274
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(05-19-2017 10:18 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  [quote='whenthesunhits' pid='1574308' dateline='1495206315']
I even have sex on the organic gravy train and use coconut oil as a lubricant - girls get fucked the organic way by me and it is nice, slippery and you can eat it. Some girls were even amazed that it works so well because they are used to those strange commercial lubricants. And coconut oil helps you burn calories, so getting at taste of it from my dick is actually healthy.

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Excellent for cooking and butt-stuff (or close to virginal tight pussy).

I coconut oil I bought at Costco, which is a solid at room temperature. Is this basically the same thing? Also, doesn't it dissolve latex (condoms)?
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(05-19-2017 11:52 AM)Hypno Wrote:  I coconut oil I bought at Costco, which is a solid at room temperature. Is this basically the same thing? Also, doesn't it dissolve latex (condoms)?

I think as long as you get organic, 100% unrefined you should be ok.

I use this stuff and I fucking love it. I even put it on my face in the mornings and it has done wonders for my skin: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003OG...=UTF8&th=1

And yes, I am almost positive it will dissolve condoms (although I can't confirm first hand).

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Licorice

Example study:
Reduction of Serum Testosterone in Men by Licorice
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJ...#t=article

Quote:These results demonstrate that licorice inhibits both 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase and 17,20-lyase, which catalyzes the conversion of 17-hydroxyprogesterone to androstenedione. The amounts of licorice given to these men are eaten by many people. Thus, men with decreased libido or other sexual dysfunction, as well as those with hypertension, should be questioned about licorice ingestion.
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^

I agree that good habits, a clean diet and avoiding toxins and man-made chemicals is important.

However, here is a reminder that there is no single factor or "cure" to a problem:

Quote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23193004

We selected 50 common ingredients from random recipes in a cookbook. PubMed queries identified recent studies that evaluated the relation of each ingredient to cancer risk. Information regarding author conclusions and relevant effect estimates were extracted. When >10 articles were found, we focused on the 10 most recent articles.
RESULTS:
Forty ingredients (80%) had articles reporting on their cancer risk. Of 264 single-study assessments, 191 (72%) concluded that the tested food was associated with an increased (n = 103) or a decreased (n = 88) risk; 75% of the risk estimates had weak (0.05 > P ≥ 0.001) or no statistical (P > 0.05) significance. Statistically significant results were more likely than nonsignificant findings to be published in the study abstract than in only the full text (P < 0.0001). Meta-analyses (n = 36) presented more conservative results; only 13 (26%) reported an increased (n = 4) or a decreased (n = 9) risk (6 had more than weak statistical support). The median RRs (IQRs) for studies that concluded an increased or a decreased risk were 2.20 (1.60, 3.44) and 0.52 (0.39, 0.66), respectively. The RRs from the meta-analyses were on average null (median: 0.96; IQR: 0.85, 1.10).
CONCLUSIONS:
Associations with cancer risk or benefits have been claimed for most food ingredients. Many single studies highlight implausibly large effects, even though evidence is weak. Effect sizes shrink in meta-analyses.

Summary: an overall healthy lifestyle is the biggest factor of all, beyond singular foods or risk factors.

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(05-19-2017 11:52 AM)Hypno Wrote:  
(05-19-2017 10:18 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  [quote='whenthesunhits' pid='1574308' dateline='1495206315']
I even have sex on the organic gravy train and use coconut oil as a lubricant - girls get fucked the organic way by me and it is nice, slippery and you can eat it. Some girls were even amazed that it works so well because they are used to those strange commercial lubricants. And coconut oil helps you burn calories, so getting at taste of it from my dick is actually healthy.

Excellent for cooking and butt-stuff (or close to virginal tight pussy).

I coconut oil I bought at Costco, which is a solid at room temperature. Is this basically the same thing? Also, doesn't it dissolve latex (condoms)?

Yes - I think it does, but the thing is this. I don't fuck girls in the ass with condoms. In fact I don't fuck any girls with condoms that I consider hot or "high-risk". So essentially whenever I put on a condom, then it is more or less an insult if the girl knew what I was thinking. Also in such cases I am not going to stick my dick in her ass.

Also I have begun to practice semen retention: http://authentictantra.com/semen-retenti...your-life/

It is not that tough at least not to cum inside a girl's pussy. I am not concerned about STDs because orthomolecular medicine is so fucking power - in combo with occasional antibiotics, there is nothing much that fear with any hot bangable girl. Also I hate hookers, love them young and prefer to go celibate for life before I have to fuck a fat 35yo woman.

So in essence - if she is hot, then I am not putting on a condom. Very few girls insist at least with me, it is sometimes me who is dragging out the condoms with some of them - but as I said, that is not a compliment.

If you use lambskin or other such natural one, then it will be fine.
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Zel why haven't we seen you in the NoFap thread? Would love to hear your semen retention journey

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(05-19-2017 10:05 AM)whenthesunhits Wrote:  I got this filter, it's awesome. A little bit of handy work to install but pretty easy. Highly recommended. High quality water is so important.

https://www.amazon.com/APEC-5-Stage-Reve...B00I0ZGOZM

Mint decreases T so watch out. It's a shame because sweet mint tea is awesome, developed a taste for this after visiting Morocco.

Alcohol, marijuana, and opiates all crush T levels. Be very wary. Nicotine may actually increase T, there are conflicting studies. Nicotine also clearly improves verbal skills and concentration, however weighing that against its negative impacts on your erections and hair over the long run (obviously critical things for a man in the game), it isn't worth it.

I use all-natural personal care products when I can, but avoid tea tree oil and lavender as ingredients. They are anti-androgenic and estrogenic (check out the study below). Especially for toothpaste, something going inside your mouth will absorb to a much greater degree than things that only touch your skin.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa064725

For a good toothpaste that is totally clean, I recommend this one. It is totally free of SLS which is a terrible ingredient in all commercial toothpastes.

https://www.amazon.com/Redmond-Earthpast...Q2TOG?th=1

Also, if any of you use the anti-fungal shampoo Nizoral (active ingredient is Ketaconazole), it has an anti-T effect. This is partially why it is often used as a hair loss remedy.

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Damn, you really do learn something new every day. I went and looked at my toothpaste, mouthwash, and lip balm, and they definitely all had mint and tea tree oil as major ingredients (close to top of list).

Got a toothpaste from desert essence that is neem based, cinnamon flavored (a potential T helper), but still lists mint and tea tree oil in the interim. I'll admit, looking through all the toothpastes and mouthwashes at Whole Foods, I could not find one that didn't contain mint or tea tree oil.

I'll try this toothpaste, as well as a truly flavorless one here:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006BB...bw_c_x_1_w

I'll report back on this. This same brand also has a cinnamon mouthwash, which I'll order and try out as well.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0056J...ZTI7PNCWHE

Lip balm was the easiest, just went and got a random one that uses coconut oil, olive oil, and shea butter, and no mint, as the ingredients instead of fucking petroleum.

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(05-20-2017 10:22 AM)redbeard Wrote:  Zel why haven't we seen you in the NoFap thread? Would love to hear your semen retention journey

Focus on begun - not much to talk about. I like women to swallow too much. Don't know if I will be able to manage unless there are some strange circumstances.
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This is a great database that lists potential hazards of products: http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/
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Fucken' petroleum!
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Heh - soy:


http://roguehealthandfitness.com/the-truth-about-soy/

No shit - if women can regulate hot flashes with soy, then by golly men should be very careful with it.

P.D. Mangan has a good article on it:

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Also note the estrogenic food table. Soy is the Superman/Hulk in terms of power level there.
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And here I was always getting the pinto beans at Chipotle because they were more authentic... Confused

On the water front, I managed to finally wrench the showerhead off in my apartment this weekend, and immediately looked to get a Culligan filter, which is held generally to be the best showerhead level filter. Obviously the best is to do a whole house filter, because with shower pressure and heat, the ability of a tiny filter in a showerhead to do a lot (especially with pharmaceuticals) is rather limited.

To my surprise, the city I live in, like many other cities in the US, has switched from chlorine to chloramine. Chloramine completely bypasses the redox filters found in Culligan and most other conventional showerhead filters.

After doing some more research, I found that the only type of showerhead filter that can effectively process chloramines is a Vitamin C filter which processes ascorbic acid through to neutralize them. Sonaki is the best brand by general consensus, I will be trying it out.

The next layer of the onion is that many Vitamin C filters are just that; they only get rid of chloramines, but don't do anything else. Luckily, I found this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019GD...RSQI9XSR1O

It is a combination Vitamin C and particulate filter which addresses both major pollutants.

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Another win for Vitamin C.

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(05-18-2017 10:01 AM)swuglyfe Wrote:  Calcium-d-Glucarate (CDG) is a natural substance produced by all mammals, including humans. Small amounts are also found in fruits and vegetables. Early humans were able to get enough calcium-d-glucarate from their own production since they ate relatively low amounts of toxins and lived in a clean environment. As toxin exposure has increased, humans need more calcium-d-glucarate to excrete the extra toxins.

Just ordered some of this (although it is the NOW brand, 500mg).

How much of this stuff should I take daily? 1000mg? More?

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(05-23-2017 01:12 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  
(05-18-2017 10:01 AM)swuglyfe Wrote:  Calcium-d-Glucarate (CDG) is a natural substance produced by all mammals, including humans. Small amounts are also found in fruits and vegetables. Early humans were able to get enough calcium-d-glucarate from their own production since they ate relatively low amounts of toxins and lived in a clean environment. As toxin exposure has increased, humans need more calcium-d-glucarate to excrete the extra toxins.

Just ordered some of this (although it is the NOW brand, 500mg).

How much of this stuff should I take daily? 1000mg? More?

I take 1000 mg daily.

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1000mg my god, I was taking 1x 250 mg:

https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-...mg-60-caps

Any source for why 1000mg is good?

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Source Naturals is 500 mg per tablet, with a recommended of 2 tablets per dose.

Also,

Recommended dose: A normal detox dose is 500-1000 mg. People with high estrogen may benefit from taking as much as 3000-4500 mg a day – ask your doctor before adding any supplement to your regimen.

https://blog.bulletproof.com/calcium-d-glucarate/

Of particular note/relevance to some in this forum, is this section of the aforementioned link:

Humans are meant to eat large amounts of protein and fat. Our livers and kidney efficiently process proteins and are able to remove harmful byproducts like ammonia. However, humans can only handle so many toxins. The human body is involved fending off xenoestrogens, air pollutants, chronic infections, and mycotoxins. This leaves very little room for dealing with the metabolites of protein. Our modern world is so polluted, that humans don’t always have the necessary means to fend off natural byproducts of a healthy metabolism. If you’re consuming a high protein diet (25-35 percent), you should consider supplementing with calcium-d-glucarate.

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This is one of those concentration questions that bugs the shit out of me.

If you look at the bottle, both Swanson & SourceNaturals come from Glucarate CDG. This is the case with most supplements, they all come from the same plants, but most aren't marketed as such.

Since Glucarate is trademarked they have to show it. Same thing with CarnoSyn. If you look at any good bottle of Beta-Alanine, it says "from CarnoSyn" trademarked. Same shit, different bottle!

We can check this with Swanson & Source's dosing too.

Swanson: 250mg CDG, 30mg calcium = 12% calcium

SourceNaturals: 1000mg CDG, 124 Calcium = 12.4% calcium

OK. Now that we've determined we're taking the same thing, I'll up the dosage.

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Has anyone had testosterone decrease due to taking antibiotics? I took a two week course of antibiotics starting three weeks ago and the whole time my desire to have sex was way low. After I'm done, it seems like things are improving slowly.
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(05-24-2017 09:24 PM)GreenHills Wrote:  Has anyone had testosterone decrease due to taking antibiotics? I took a two week course of antibiotics starting three weeks ago and the whole time my desire to have sex was way low. After I'm done, it seems like things are improving slowly.

A quick perusal of the research and search results seems to suggest this is more in broscience territory. I think this might have more to do with the fact that antibiotics will destroy all the helpful symbiotic flora throughout your body, and it has to rebuild. Pharmaceuticals will never help, though, that's for sure.

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(05-24-2017 09:24 PM)GreenHills Wrote:  Has anyone had testosterone decrease due to taking antibiotics? I took a two week course of antibiotics starting three weeks ago and the whole time my desire to have sex was way low. After I'm done, it seems like things are improving slowly.

you need to get your gut bacteria back in shape. you need to take both probiotics and prebiotics. most people only take the probiotics and don't see any effect.
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(05-25-2017 05:09 AM)Hypno Wrote:  
(05-24-2017 09:24 PM)GreenHills Wrote:  Has anyone had testosterone decrease due to taking antibiotics? I took a two week course of antibiotics starting three weeks ago and the whole time my desire to have sex was way low. After I'm done, it seems like things are improving slowly.

you need to get your gut bacteria back in shape. you need to take both probiotics and prebiotics. most people only take the probiotics and don't see any effect.

Probiotic pills are useless.

See: The Fermentation Thread, by Veloce

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(05-19-2017 08:46 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Timely thread. Great info.

I've decided to go off TRT. I'm doing a restart because I'd been on test for 2 years. My lifestyle was bad up to 2 years ago -- stress levels through the roof, bad diet, too much drinking, and no lifting.

Now I have my lifestyle habits dialed in, been lifting for 2 months straight, cut back on alcohol, eating clean(er) and effectively managing stress.

So I want to take the TRT wheels off and see how my body does on its own. We shall see how I feel 3 months from now. Lifestyle habits and this thread will have a positive impact I'm sure.

Please keep us updated, even start a thread if you have the time. I'm sure many of us who are thinking about starting TRT in the future, and those already on it, would be interested. MikeCF wrote about doing the same on his blog - check it out if you haven't already.
05-25-2017 07:09 AM
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