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Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
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RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
(05-22-2017 12:22 PM)Enigma Wrote:  
(05-20-2017 12:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  When it comes to "ideas," I'd say that I don't agree with every single thing the movie tells us. There is a nihilistic streak running through the film that doesn't match my own philosophy of life. I understand where it comes from (it springs from modern man's repressed rage at his marginalization in the face of feminism, egalitarianism, and modernity), but I don't think it's the answer. I have a different vision.

Think of the scene on the bus where Tyler and the unnamed Edward Norton character are looking at the ads on the walls of the bus. They see a picture of a well-muscled frame. Tyler says, "Is this what a man looks like? Self-improvement is masturbation...self-destruction, now that's an idea." Or something to that effect.

Consider also the scene where Edward Norton beats himself up in his boss's office. It's as if males are turning their collective rage inward on themselves, rather than outward against the weasels, parasites, and scum who sold them out. I don't believe in self-destruction as an antidote for our modern ills. I have a different prescription for our malaise.

But here again, even though I don't agree with everything the movie posits, I can still recognize that it is a supreme piece of cinematic art.

Tyler is not supposed to be the "hero".

The Narrator was too much of a pussy, and Tyler is his polar opposite, his shadow.

Neither is a fully healthy individual, which is why the Narrator becomes schizophrenic and later tries to kill himself. Rather than accepting both parts of his personality and psyche, he splits them in two.

That's why the movie is worse than the book.

For one, it glorifies Tyler, when he's too destructive. You're not supposed to take everything he says seriously. He's just the opposite of the main character.

Second of all, it turns the ending into some kind of love story, rather than the (attempted) suicide that it's supposed to be. The main character is supposed to be killed by his unwillingness to accept the dark side of his unconscious.

And third, it kills off Tyler. He's a part of the Narrator's personality; he wasn't supposed to be killed.

The healthy masculine character would have been the Narrator and Tyler integrated, with both the light and dark elements of his personality.

Instead he kills off the dark side of his masculinity to hold hands with some crazy drug addict.

Good interpretation, A+. I think you're right. Makes a lot of sense, a lot of sense, when you see the movie as the problem of integrating modern nice guy with classic masculinity. I actually remember this movie coming out and there was no big discussion over the deeper meaning at the time, mostly it led to a bunch of people taking up martial arts.

I think it's time for a rewatch of Fight Club. I watched another doomsday film - 12 Monkeys - recently and that one is also awesome. It's interesting that all these gloomy but prescient films got made just a few years after the collapse of the Sovjet Union and supposedly in the "end of history" with freedom and democracy for all.

The Waichowskis and Matrix, they probably had no idea what they would set in motion and judging by their newest "work" would probably object. Still, it seems many artists of that time were able to sense the zeitgest without intellectualizing it.
07-08-2017 05:32 PM
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RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
My favorite scene of the movie is the chemical burn scene:





I first watched the movie in early 2012, when I thought I had hit rock bottom. I was still far from it.

Looking back, the "burn" did free me. However, I quickly realized that, generally speaking, I can no longer stand being around people who were never "burned", especially those of the male gender. Unspoiled adult females have their charm, whereas unspoiled adult males are still boys in my book.

"The great secret of happiness in love is to be glad that the other fellow married her." – H.L. Mencken
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I watched Fight Club again last night. It's so good (particularly the first half - yes, I like the friendship between 'Jack' and Tyler), however I always wonder where it sits politically. I read an interview with Chuck Palahniuk and he opined that Durden would probably be rocking a MAGA hat were he to be around today.

It's as relevant today as it was then. Maybe more so, with 21 year olds getting full sleeve tattoos in an attempt to purchase an identity in an age of mass-conformity via false-rebellion. Both antifa-types (I mean the proper marxists, not the hipster kids) and guys here identify with it, which is notable. The biggest target of the film is metro-liberal urbanites, which is exactly the class of people who HATED the film 19 years ago - film critics. Starbucks and soy essentially.

I doubt neither us nor antifa are advocating for Durden's pre-agricultural anarcho-primitivism (maybe some do), but there's obviously a deep malaise across political spectrums, particularly with men — but the left are infested with anti-male identity politics which prevents any bridges being built.

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Good insights here re: the significance of Fight Club:



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I really like Joe Rogan for introducing me to guests and subject matter I'd never come across normally. However, there's a great irony with people like him (and his avid fans) — they identify with Fight Club without realising they're what's being critiqued. Joe Rogan's entire being is basically mocked and torn apart by FC and he can't see it. Rogan THINKS he's some kind of zen individual, yet he's the full-sleeved consumer that FC targets mercilessly. We're all guilty of it to varying degrees, because consumer-capitalism is incredibly difficult to resist.

Gym memberships and protein shakes are my bug bear at the moment (I work in marketing in a related industry - you do not need anywhere near as much protein as you're being told), you can get in great shape at a fucking park eating a standard diet. And carrying heavy household items if you want to replicate lifting. Bodybuilding to look as close as genetically possible to Arnold S is a different story, but you get my point — especially if you're a fan of FC. I'm sure if Cernovich was still posting he'd launch a tirade against me, but meh — he'd swiftly change his tune, as would others, were they to be offered lucrative sponsorships by protein supplement companies.

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