Read The Forum Rules: We have a clear set of rules to keep the forum running smoothly. Click here to review them.

Post Reply 
Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
Author Message
Edmaster Offline
Game Denialist

Posts: 64
Joined: Sep 2015
Reputation: 0
Post: #1
Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
Hello guys,

Don't get me wrong i love the movie but i don't understand why every self help / PUAs / Red pill guy is constantly hitting on it when there are a lot of movies referring to masculinity, red pill and strength.

I actually think that the more Red pill you get = The more Fight club makes actually sense to you.
When you are still plugged in = the movie just seems like a nonsense nihilism.

But there are at least twenty good movies referring to masculinity, male power, and strength. However for some reason this is a general consensus around Fight Club... i'm just curious of what you guys think about this ?
(This post was last modified: 05-19-2017 04:05 PM by Edmaster.)
05-19-2017 04:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Foolsgo1d Offline
International Playboy
******

Posts: 5,042
Joined: Apr 2014
Reputation: 22
Post: #2
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
You do not talk about Fight Club.
05-19-2017 04:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 23 users Like Foolsgo1d's post:
PapayaTapper, SamuelBRoberts, Paracelsus, Quintus Curtius, Canopus, Leonard D Neubache, stugatz, Matsufubu, DarkTriad, Gambler, robreke, Alpharius, JohannesAusPrag, Sam Malone, Gmac, amity, DJ-Matt, TheOllam, Huxley Badkin, scrambled, puckerman, dasher, Off The Reservation
eL-JJ Offline
Game Denialist

Posts: 43
Joined: Oct 2014
Reputation: 0
Post: #3
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular with ing the red pill crowd?


05-19-2017 05:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 7 users Like eL-JJ's post:
PSquare, Matrixdude, PapayaTapper, IveBeenFramed, Alpharius, Huxley Badkin, willpill
TigOlBitties Offline
Beta Orbiter
*

Posts: 126
Joined: Apr 2017
Reputation: 1
Post: #4
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?





Watch Clint Eastwood movies.
(This post was last modified: 05-19-2017 06:36 PM by TigOlBitties.)
05-19-2017 06:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like TigOlBitties's post:
Mister Fingers, Buck Wild, Sumanguru, puckerman
churros Offline
Wingman
***

Posts: 688
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation: 5
Post: #5
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
The Patrice clip is pretty damn funny. I wish he elaborated on "holy grail of whiteness" though.
(This post was last modified: 05-20-2017 09:58 AM by churros.)
05-20-2017 09:57 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes churros's post:
willpill
Leonard D Neubache Online
International Playboy
******
Gold Member

Posts: 5,380
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation: 139
Post: #6
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
The appeal of the movie is that it contains both the blue-pill character that becomes red-pill (though the process is bitter) and the guy that's red-pill from the beginning (spoilers aside).

So both masculine men and lost men can watch the movie and 'empathise' with at least one of the characters.

When I first watched the movie I empathised with Edward Norton. Now if I watched it I would empathise more with Brad Pitt.

Either way I'd find the movie enjoyable.
05-20-2017 10:18 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like Leonard D Neubache's post:
Buck Wild, puckerman
Quintus Curtius Offline
International Playboy
******
Gold Member

Posts: 4,019
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 243
Post: #7
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
I like Patrice O'Neil, but he totally misses the point here. The movie went right over his head. I don't blame him for it; he's a great guy with precious insights on a lot of things. But this one is outside of his range of experience. He doesn't get it because, to be blunt, he grew up as a poor black dude from Roxbury in Boston with a different set of life experiences. I love the guy, but his one is just not his thing. He's not an intellectual and this is not his thing. Notice I did not say he is unintelligent. He is very, very intelligent, and very perceptive.

But, guess what, B? This one is not for you. Step aside, and let us, the real downtrodden, the real marginalized, the real persecuted, handle it. Sit your ass down and listen. We are the real oppressed, not you. Prepare to be schooled.

The existential angst, the repressed rage, and the seething anger that the middle-class, alienated drone of the 2000s has against the system is not something he can relate to.

Fight Club is a zeitgeist film, as Edward Norton has said. It's a film that speaks to a generation of young men who have been:

1. Raised by single mothers (Tyler: "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer.")
2. Provided no coming of age rituals
3. Betrayed by the system
4. Given no way of proving its masculinity in a physical way.
5. Force-fed liberal guilt trash and tripe for its entire life.
6. Force-fed the idea that consumerist materialism is the end-all, be-all of life.

Fight Club is a complete rejection of the modern Western ethos. It is the greatest, and most subversive, film made in the US in recent history.

It communicates to the young generation the following doctrines, each of which flies in the face of the liberal, pussified shit that we are force-fed every day in the US:

1. Self-realization can come through the cathartic experience of violence.
2. A man must prove himself by bonding with a tribe or group.
3. Men need--and must have--initiation rituals.
4. Men must live by a code.
5. Men must have a leader.
6. A woman cannot complete a man.

Now, you can agree or disagree with these ideas. You can like them or not like them. It does not matter. But the movie does communicate a definite set of ideas. And for Patrice to fail to notice this makes me think that (1) either the movie scares him, or (2) he can't wrap his mind around it.

I think he just doesn't get it. Or doesn't want to get it. Because this is the thing: this movie really disturbs some people. They can't deal with it. Revealed on the screen, for all the world to see, is a bit of reality. It hammers home the point that those apparently quiet, unassuming young guys out there--whom everyone denigrates and abuses--carry with them the potential for revolutionary change. And this message terrifies the liberal establishment.

This movie flew under the radar and was lucky even to be made. It was a labor of love for David Fincher, Brad Pitt, and Edward Norton. And it remains the single best expression of the modern Western male consciousness since the 1990s. Ignore it at your own peril.

| qcurtius.com | Twitter
(This post was last modified: 05-20-2017 11:01 AM by Quintus Curtius.)
05-20-2017 10:50 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 83 users Like Quintus Curtius's post:
Nascimento, TooFineAPoint, Atlanta Man, sterling_archer, uncledick, Malone, El_Gostro, glugger, azulsombra, Mr. D, HighSpeed_LowDrag, Irenicus, Mister Fingers, Solus, Teedub, Brodiaga, Le Siamois, Sisyphus, Parzival, Matsufubu, DarkTriad, armenia4ever, RaccoonFace, Vaun, Paracelsus, kaotic, Conscious Pirate, Leonard D Neubache, RatInTheWoods, robreke, Dream Medicine, Matrixdude, Alpharius, bacon, MiscBrah, NomadofEU, Nosferatu, Tactician, Conquerer7, Zelcorpion, Aurini, Sumanguru, Enki, TTQQTT, 0Space, whenthesunhits, TigerMandingo, SamuelBRoberts, Oneeyedjack, Lucky, Sgt, ball dont lie, arafat scarf, Thersites, amity, Glaucon, [email protected], DJ-Matt, Renzy, Harvey Specter, SiverFox, Canopus, Enigma, MikeInRealLife, Huxley Badkin, Caractacus Potts, CaptainChardonnay, scrambled, TravelerKai, Kaii, Pollito, RexImperator, samsamsam, username, Buck Wild, Philosopher, Htownanddown, Grizzly Bear, puckerman, Space Cowboy, Icarus, dasher, UlteriorMotive
TooFineAPoint Offline
Wingman
***

Posts: 836
Joined: Nov 2014
Reputation: 10
Post: #8
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
I love the movie, and QC did a great write up that I enjoyed reading ^

But... and it may have been for PR purposes to get the movie made... when it came out the entire promo campaign (including Fincher) went on and on about how the movie was a satire on a bunch of white guys who just read too much Nietzsche (I'm paraphrasing, but this is basically what they said).

And the author of the book is a wretched and degenerate queer. So it's not out of the question that he meant for the characters to be parodies.

Still, the movie somehow transcended this in a lot of ways. It's also just masterfully made, and we see such little craft in filmmaking these days. The reveal was consistent and not just a stupid M Night Shamamalamalooon whoopsie-doodle. The movie holds up to many repeat views.

But I kinda also get where Patrice is coming from. Fight Club is the white man's Scarface, where we ignore all the damage they do at the end because we really like where they are at the middle.
05-20-2017 11:07 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Quintus Curtius Offline
International Playboy
******
Gold Member

Posts: 4,019
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 243
Post: #9
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
When it comes to "ideas," I'd say that I don't agree with every single thing the movie tells us. There is a nihilistic streak running through the film that doesn't match my own philosophy of life. I understand where it comes from (it springs from modern man's repressed rage at his marginalization in the face of feminism, egalitarianism, and modernity), but I don't think it's the answer. I have a different vision.

Think of the scene on the bus where Tyler and the unnamed Edward Norton character are looking at the ads on the walls of the bus. They see a picture of a well-muscled frame. Tyler says, "Is this what a man looks like? Self-improvement is masturbation...self-destruction, now that's an idea." Or something to that effect.

Consider also the scene where Edward Norton beats himself up in his boss's office. It's as if males are turning their collective rage inward on themselves, rather than outward against the weasels, parasites, and scum who sold them out. I don't believe in self-destruction as an antidote for our modern ills. I have a different prescription for our malaise.

But here again, even though I don't agree with everything the movie posits, I can still recognize that it is a supreme piece of cinematic art.

.

| qcurtius.com | Twitter
05-20-2017 12:21 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 22 users Like Quintus Curtius's post:
BallsDeep, El_Gostro, Matsufubu, armenia4ever, DarkTriad, Conscious Pirate, Leonard D Neubache, Paracelsus, Matrixdude, Spaniard88, Sumanguru, Enki, Atlanta Man, TooFineAPoint, amity, [email protected], DJ-Matt, Canopus, TravelerKai, Buck Wild, Philosopher, puckerman
stugatz Offline
Chubby Chaser
**

Posts: 479
Joined: May 2016
Reputation: 2
Post: #10
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
I have nothing to add to what Quintus said, bravo. I also think the film improved on the book by quite a bit.
05-20-2017 02:08 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes stugatz's post:
Atlanta Man
Matsufubu Offline
Wingman
***

Posts: 725
Joined: Nov 2015
Reputation: 9
Post: #11
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
^^^

I read the book afterwards and was profoundly disappointed. The film is deeper.
05-20-2017 03:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like Matsufubu's post:
HighSpeed_LowDrag, Atlanta Man
HighSpeed_LowDrag Offline
True Player
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 1,697
Joined: Mar 2014
Reputation: 54
Post: #12
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
(05-20-2017 03:18 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  ^^^

I read the book afterwards and was profoundly disappointed. The film is deeper.

Fight Club is one of the very few Hollywood movies that is unambiguously better than the underlying book (which is virtually incomprehensible.)

HSLD
(This post was last modified: 05-20-2017 03:49 PM by HighSpeed_LowDrag.)
05-20-2017 03:49 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like HighSpeed_LowDrag's post:
Atlanta Man, whenthesunhits, Renzy
DarkTriad Offline
Alpha Male
****
Gold Member

Posts: 1,349
Joined: Aug 2012
Reputation: 7
Post: #13
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
(05-20-2017 10:50 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  I like Patrice O'Neil, but he totally misses the point here. The movie went right over his head. I don't blame him for it; he's a great guy with precious insights on a lot of things. But this one is outside of his range of experience. He doesn't get it because, to be blunt, he grew up as a poor black dude from Roxbury in Boston with a different set of life experiences. I love the guy, but his one is just not his thing. He's not an intellectual and this is not his thing. Notice I did not say he is unintelligent. He is very, very intelligent, and very perceptive.

But, guess what, B? This one is not for you. Step aside, and let us, the real downtrodden, the real marginalized, the real persecuted, handle it. Sit your ass down and listen. We are the real oppressed, not you. Prepare to be schooled.

The existential angst, the repressed rage, and the seething anger that the middle-class, alienated drone of the 2000s has against the system is not something he can relate to.

Fight Club is a zeitgeist film, as Edward Norton has said. It's a film that speaks to a generation of young men who have been:

1. Raised by single mothers (Tyler: "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer.")
2. Provided no coming of age rituals
3. Betrayed by the system
4. Given no way of proving its masculinity in a physical way.
5. Force-fed liberal guilt trash and tripe for its entire life.
6. Force-fed the idea that consumerist materialism is the end-all, be-all of life.

Fight Club is a complete rejection of the modern Western ethos. It is the greatest, and most subversive, film made in the US in recent history.

It communicates to the young generation the following doctrines, each of which flies in the face of the liberal, pussified shit that we are force-fed every day in the US:

1. Self-realization can come through the cathartic experience of violence.
2. A man must prove himself by bonding with a tribe or group.
3. Men need--and must have--initiation rituals.
4. Men must live by a code.
5. Men must have a leader.
6. A woman cannot complete a man.

Now, you can agree or disagree with these ideas. You can like them or not like them. It does not matter. But the movie does communicate a definite set of ideas. And for Patrice to fail to notice this makes me think that (1) either the movie scares him, or (2) he can't wrap his mind around it.

I think he just doesn't get it. Or doesn't want to get it. Because this is the thing: this movie really disturbs some people. They can't deal with it. Revealed on the screen, for all the world to see, is a bit of reality. It hammers home the point that those apparently quiet, unassuming young guys out there--whom everyone denigrates and abuses--carry with them the potential for revolutionary change. And this message terrifies the liberal establishment.

This movie flew under the radar and was lucky even to be made. It was a labor of love for David Fincher, Brad Pitt, and Edward Norton. And it remains the single best expression of the modern Western male consciousness since the 1990s. Ignore it at your own peril.

It didn't make sense to him because he spent a lot of his youth living a barbaric existence in a rather barbaric neighborhood during a turbulent era where he wasn't missing this stuff. His "fight club" was trying to get to and from school every day*. The idea of needing to find extra fighting to figure yourself out is absurd to him.

His "initiation" was him and his friends being sentenced to prison on a false rape charge before he graduated from high school.

* You guys have no idea what school was like in Boston back then. Neighborhood schools and de facto segregated neighborhoods meant de facto segregated schools. Big liberal push to eliminate it by suburban judges and such. Their "solution" was to kidnap the kids of the poorest whites and bus them to the most dangerous black school to be beaten and raped, and then bus the black kids to poorest and most violent white schools (where they would attacked by these student's brothers and angry mobs of their parents). Absolutely insane shit EVERY SINGLE DAY. People beaten with baseball bats and set on fire kind of shit, literally one of the worst social engineering errors in American history (which is saying a lot). You ever see that movie "The Warriors"? Imagine doing that EVERY DAY. You had to fight EVERY day, not just at some "fight club". You had to have a "warrior brotherhood" just to make it home every day.

If you have a kid's college roommate be black, it tends to make them less racist because they're in a healthy environment with a guy with (likely) good values that has his shit together and is trying to build a better life for himself. If your little brother is taken from you and is savagely beaten and terrorized every day, then you're not going to well disposed to the little brother of the guys doing it when he's at YOUR school. Perhaps the most efficient method ever devised for making people violent, hateful and racist. Of course, the judge that ordered this had the tony suburban school HIS children attended exempted. Diversity was only for the poor, those ignorant brutes needed to learn it...the hardest way possible. And the fallout just gave them another thing to feel superior about.
05-20-2017 03:54 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 11 users Like DarkTriad's post:
Vaun, Leonard D Neubache, Sumanguru, Atlanta Man, Secrenis, kbell, iop890, doc holliday, puckerman, willpill, Icarus
churros Offline
Wingman
***

Posts: 688
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation: 5
Post: #14
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
What Patrice says is actually pretty subtle, but it takes the form of the joke. The interviewers obscure that with their inane chatter, and don't follow up with him.

The comedy of his response is that, on a personal level, he clearly doesn't feel it. But he goes on to talk about "self-loathing, self-hatred"; about "guys that can't express their masculinity". So he clearly understands what it's about.

Despite how Patrice frames it, this isn't actually a race thing. It's a class thing. The predominantly white US middle class are neutered by their office jobs. As Patrice says, "they go to work and say blah blah blah". That's not true for the Black and Hispanic working class. So he views it indulgent.

The white middle-class recover their masculinity as a fetish. Hence the shirtless violence of Fight Club. It's an anomaly, and a fiction. None of us literally engage in this behaviour. But that doesn't make the problem any less real.
(This post was last modified: 05-20-2017 04:20 PM by churros.)
05-20-2017 04:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 9 users Like churros's post:
DarkTriad, Paracelsus, Spaniard88, Sumanguru, Secrenis, TooFineAPoint, iop890, TravelerKai, Buck Wild
RatInTheWoods Offline
True Player
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 1,523
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 15
Post: #15
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
I enjoyed the fight club, and yes it's all about modern masculine disenfranchisement.

The move "300" also struck almost the same nerve amongst young men. "This is sparta" was their aroused catch cry for a few months before going back to porn and video games.
05-20-2017 07:53 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 5 users Like RatInTheWoods's post:
Quintus Curtius, Spaniard88, TravelerKai, Buck Wild, Philosopher
Leonard D Neubache Online
International Playboy
******
Gold Member

Posts: 5,380
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation: 139
Post: #16
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
(05-20-2017 10:50 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  ...
I think he just doesn't get it. Or doesn't want to get it. Because this is the thing: this movie really disturbs some people. They can't deal with it. Revealed on the screen, for all the world to see, is a bit of reality. It hammers home the point that those apparently quiet, unassuming young guys out there--whom everyone denigrates and abuses--carry with them the potential for revolutionary change. And this message terrifies the liberal establishment.
...

Recalling it's release in the cinemas as I was heading into my 20s, the guys in my social circle all thought it was great but didn't connect with it on an intellectual level. None of the girls "got it" and in hindsight they obviously turned up to see Pitt shirtless (though none confided it).

Personally the movie didn't toss me all the way into the land of the red-pill but certainly gave me a violent shove in that direction. I really should watch it again but it obviously made an impression on me, because despite seeing it only once I can almost remember it word for word, scene for scene.
05-20-2017 07:58 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like Leonard D Neubache's post:
Quintus Curtius, Paracelsus, Buck Wild
Quintus Curtius Offline
International Playboy
******
Gold Member

Posts: 4,019
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 243
Post: #17
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
Yeah, I get that. But I think you need to remember a few things.

Just because some white kid didn't grow up in the ghetto doesn't mean that he didn't have a hard life, too. People don't choose their background. People don't choose where they came from. What's important to remember is that everybody pays their dues in their own way.

This is the thing. Because everybody out there thinks the other guy has it easier than they do. The black guy in the ghetto thinks the white kid "has it made." But he forgets that he himself gets a lot of help from programs and from society that the white kid doesn't. I'm not going to get into a big debate about who has it "tougher." Why? Because that's a debate that goes nowhere. The whites are going to say the blacks have it easier. The blacks are going to say the whites have it easier. The Chinese guy is going to say he's discriminated against, too. And the American Indian guy is going to say that no one understands his pain.

The truth? They're all right, in their own way. Because each man pays his dues in his own way. Everyone thinks his own struggle is the hardest. And they are right.

But this is the thing: I would never denigrate or minimize another man's struggle. This is what I'm trying to get at. Patrice was wrong to denigrate and belittle Fight Club's focus on middle-class (and lower middle-class) male angst. He was wrong to do that. Just because I didn't grow up in the ghetto doesn't mean that my experiences are any less valid or any less real than his experiences are.

Patrice O'Neil has a whole industry of voices catering to the pain of the black proletarian. It's been written about, filmed, discussed, editorialized, and rehashed for generations. And that's fine. It should be.

But who speaks for us, the average guy who happens to have a different background? No one. Who is there to chronicle our struggles? No one. Who is there to talk about our thoughts, our feelings, our fears, our desire for redemption? No one. The media suppresses the average working guy in a way that it does not suppress the narrative of the poor urban black.

It's politically correct and acceptable (even desirable) to talk about the struggles of women and minorities. But if you're a poor white guy, you are anonymous. You are invisible. You are the unwanted, the unloved, the downtrodden, the dispossessed. There have been tons of movies made, and books written, about the experiences of women and minorities. Before Fight Club, no one had been willing to touch the subjects that it touched on.

People needed to hear this message: We're the ones who keep this society functioning. Who will be there to keep things running if we don't? Who? So just you remember that. Do not fuck with us.

So I say: good for Fight Club for finally giving a voice to an experience that the media has been unwilling to give a voice to. It's about time.

And I'm kind of disappointed that Patrice O'Neil proved he couldn't step outside of his narrow little tribal mentality to try to see the world from the viewpoint of someone from a different background. He was the one that tried to introduce the whole racial angle into this movie.

And that's sad, as well as wrong. Because the movie transcends race. It's not about "white guys." It's about ALL MEN. Any guy living and working a job today in America is subject to the same, soul-killing pressures.

Patrice O'Neil was a good man, but he had his limitations. My guess is that once he made it big and became a millionaire, he didn't want to be reminded of the dark underbelly of life in America. Turning it into a racial punchline was his way of dealing with something he didn't want to talk about.

| qcurtius.com | Twitter
(This post was last modified: 05-20-2017 08:10 PM by Quintus Curtius.)
05-20-2017 08:06 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 20 users Like Quintus Curtius's post:
bacon, Paracelsus, Leonard D Neubache, Tactician, Matsufubu, Enki, Sumanguru, NomadofEU, Secrenis, whenthesunhits, Sgt, dies irae, Nemausus, [email protected], DJ-Matt, Canopus, MikeInRealLife, TravelerKai, Buck Wild, puckerman
bacon Offline
True Player
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 1,971
Joined: Sep 2012
Reputation: 60
Post: #18
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
In my opinion, one of the best narratives that Fight Club takes on is how in contemporary American culture men's status, identity and happiness are derived through our consumer purchases and the importance of your job title/profession. This is also a foundation of the red pill mindset. Part of taking the red pill is about men realizing their identity does not come from what society and corporations deem it to be.

From the film:

Quote:You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

Quote:Do you know what a duvet is? It’s a blanket. Just a blanket. Now why do guys like you and me know what a duvet is? Is this essential to our survival, in the hunter-gatherer sense of the word? No. What are we then? We are consumers. We’re the byproducts of a lifestyle obsession.

Quote:We’re consumers. We are the byproducts of a lifestyle obsession. Murder, crime, poverty—these things don’t concern me. What concerns me are celebrity magazines, television with 500 channels, some guy’s name on my underwear. Rogaine, Viagra, Olestra…fuck Martha Stewart. Martha’s polishing the brass on the Titanic. It’s all going down, man. So fuck off with your sofa units and strine green stripe patterns.

Quote:The things you own end up owning you.

Quote:Reject the basic assumptions of civilization, especially the importance of material possessions.

Game/red pill article links

Backhanded compliments
05-20-2017 09:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 7 users Like bacon's post:
Paracelsus, Atlanta Man, HighSpeed_LowDrag, ball dont lie, iop890, puckerman, Icarus
Leonard D Neubache Online
International Playboy
******
Gold Member

Posts: 5,380
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation: 139
Post: #19
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
I suppose the rejection of the movies themes by a guy like Patrice creates a pretty ugly prospect for the future of race relations. Like QC infers. If someone looks on you as having no inherent struggles to deal with then they will invariably regard you as a lesser man. If they regard you as a lesser man then they will inevitably compare the average social status of their people vs your people. And if they then find that they "struggle more" and you "struggle less" yet you "have more" and they "have less" then the future is nothing but an endless bitchfest about 'the racism inherent in the system'.

My brother and I once got into a debate about race and privilege with my dear younger sister who is sadly quite progressive. She fucked up when blathered a boilerplate talking point about how as white men we never knew what it was like to grow up poor (and fuck, did we grow up on the bottom rung of society). She realised what she'd said the second it came out of her mouth and my brother and I just burst out laughing. She was so indoctrinated that her screed no longer had context based on the listener. It was just mindless regurgitation of social justice mantras that had automatically prescribed all white men as being inherently gifted with a carefree life of ease.

As for the rejection of consumerism, it's interesting to look back on based on where I am now, out in the sticks. Out here I can get around in scrappy work clothes in a beat up old 4x4 utility and nobody judges me based on those factors. They judge me based on how I behave and how I prove myself in my everyday life.

The soul-less life of the middle-class city dweller depicted in Fight Club is becoming more and more foreign to me as the years go by, though I remember it enough to recall why I'd never go back to it.
(This post was last modified: 05-21-2017 12:23 AM by Leonard D Neubache.)
05-21-2017 12:22 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 16 users Like Leonard D Neubache's post:
Quintus Curtius, Parzival, Tactician, Paracelsus, El_Gostro, Aurini, DarkTriad, kbell, Sgt, iop890, TravelerKai, Buck Wild, germanico, puckerman, willpill, Icarus
Parzival Offline
Alpha Male
****

Posts: 1,497
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 30
Post: #20
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
We all have to carry our cross. Its the same "argument", well its not really one, when people say, why do you complain? Look at X, they have it worse. Like someone who did not grow up in the Ghetto or a civil war has no right to complain? Nor to suffer? Even more, not express their opinion of things they dislike? Then you kill all forms of improvement. The therm first world problems fits in some way. Some people live in a bubble. Its good to understand the scale of problems, a broken phone is less worse then living in a war zone.

This film is about the ones that feel like robots. Especially the office guys. They go there every day, so some stuff but whats the deeper meaning? Where is the value? To let the net worth of the company grow put quite less to that list. I don't know anyone who feel proud when the company did rise the stock value. Our system is at a point where its run like a machine. Little steps for the bigger picture but whats the bigger picture? Young men grow up with no real needs and still there are family issues in the middle class as well. Broken homes, clashes. The normal stuff of adultery. But this never ends for us, there is nothing that give most men the feeling to be there. To be accepted full by the society, be a man of value. No, all we feel is we are drones. And so that feeling got hit by fight club. We live in a system that most of use provide everything for us, and still people miss something. The "real" life.

For us, these conflicts can be resolved by appeal to the deeply ingrained higher principle embodied in the law, that individuals have the right (within defined limits) to choose how to live. But this Western notion of individualism and tolerance is by no means a conception in all cultures. - Theodore Dalrymple
05-21-2017 02:45 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 7 users Like Parzival's post:
Leonard D Neubache, Paracelsus, El_Gostro, Atlanta Man, TravelerKai, Buck Wild, Quintus Curtius
churros Offline
Wingman
***

Posts: 688
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation: 5
Post: #21
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
(05-20-2017 08:06 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Yeah, I get that. But I think you need to remember a few things.
...

I agree with this. Just saying I understand where Patrice is coming from.

Have you never had that sensation of seeing someone upper class whining about some butshit you thought was irrelevant? Because you had it rougher? That's what he's feeling.

Now, maybe he misrecognises that there's an actual problem there, I agree. Because it's not just whiny bullshit. What Patrice and the SJWs need to recognise is that class alone divides man.

All the same, the great thing about this segment is that Patrice actually captures all of these truths in his few short remarks. Even though he doesn't spin them out, because of the shitty interviewers.
(This post was last modified: 05-21-2017 03:57 AM by churros.)
05-21-2017 03:23 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like churros's post:
Atlanta Man, Lordless, TravelerKai
TigOlBitties Offline
Beta Orbiter
*

Posts: 126
Joined: Apr 2017
Reputation: 1
Post: #22
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
05-21-2017 03:36 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 6 users Like TigOlBitties's post:
Leonard D Neubache, Matsufubu, TravelerKai, Buck Wild, Philosopher, doc holliday
churros Offline
Wingman
***

Posts: 688
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation: 5
Post: #23
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
In concernt Chris Cornell said "this next one is about killing your boss. It's about coming to work early one morning cause you have a special agenda and you're going to shoot him in the fucking head."





Not mixing up threads, it's relevant!
05-21-2017 04:38 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Hypno Offline
Wingman
***

Posts: 962
Joined: Dec 2016
Reputation: 7
Post: #24
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
Patrice O'Neal is focussing on the conflict between the character and society, and views it as a young man's Falling Down. He's not sympathetic because his challenges with society were greater.

He misses the challenge between the main character and himself. If you consider the Brad Pitt and Edward Norton characters, that is what the whole film is about. One is blue pill, one is red pill.
05-21-2017 05:05 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Zelcorpion Offline
Innovative Casanova
*******
Gold Member

Posts: 9,521
Joined: Feb 2014
Reputation: 187
Post: #25
RE: Why the movie Fight Club is so popular within the Self help / PUAs / Red pill crowd ?
[Image: giphy.gif]

There are many reasons to like Fight Club.

+ Masculinity no matter what your place in life - all men are at least tough Sigmas with frame
+ against capitalist exploitation
+ resistance there, but actually not violent against people (compare it to Antifa or BLM thugs who don't see anything wrong with killing lecturers or cops)
+ excellent cinematography

Entire production crew got fired by studio boss later - one of those movies that slipped through.

[Image: giphy.gif]

Of course the reality is that you cannot remain in Fight Club "don't give a fuck" attitude forever, though it would be fun to do so. It is still a movie after all. But I love the detachment fostered and shown in it.
05-21-2017 09:44 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like Zelcorpion's post:
Buck Wild, Quintus Curtius
Post Reply 


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread: Author Replies: Views: Last Post
  Most popular Youtuber in world from Sweden, PewDewPie, is being red pilled Roosh 124 25,813 07-13-2017 11:28 AM
Last Post: YoungBlade
  When Did Tattoos Become Really Popular/Mainstream? killjoy 60 6,337 06-19-2017 03:46 PM
Last Post: kaotic
  I was in a huge fight against white knights at the club Little Dark 336 119,160 05-31-2017 10:56 AM
Last Post: polar

Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)

Contact Us | RooshV.com | Return to Top | Return to Content | Mobile Version | RSS Syndication