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RE: Taiwan has fallen - Top court rules in favor of same-sex marriage
(11-27-2018 02:28 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  Taiwanese women are objectively less attractive than mainlanders because the majority of Han Taiwanese are of Fujian stock (Taiwan actually used to be administered by the Fujian provincial authorities) and people in Fujian already tend to be shorter and uglier than people in other parts of China. Most of the good-looking Taiwanese girls' parents probably came over as KMT refugees in 1949.

I agree that 300 years ago they didn't have the best genetic stock to work with. But after 100 years of Japanese skin and beauty care, fitness and diet, they have certainly turned this around. Even the little things, like I barely ever see a mainland girl take a sip of water. Ever. Yet Taiwanese women carry around reusable bottles of it, just like Japanese women.
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Taiwan is great if you have location-independent income. Otherwise, you'll have to work long hours for a low wage. Part of the reason President Tsai is so unpopular is that the new labour law reduces worker rights even less. Blue vs Green isn't left vs right.

There are more natural beauties on the mainland, true, but average Taiwanese girls tend to have more disposable income to make the most of what they have.

What makes things significantly worse than the mainland is where the girls live. In Taiwan, girls tend to live with their parents until they marry, students live in strict dorms, whereas big cities in China tend to have lots of women who've moved to find work. This combines with long hours to really limit their freedom to meet up.

As for the culture, Tsai has never married (Lesbian/Assexual, I don't know), and there is a transwoman in the cabinet (a legendary perl programmer who is more than qualified for the role). I wouldn't call it alphabet-soup unfriendly.

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So left wing revolutionary China defends a conservative position on marriage while right wing conservative China celebrates a revolutionary and liberal view on marriage.

Another reminder to get out of the fake left-right paradigm and look back in to see what it really is.

Don't spend all your energy on sex and all your money on women; they have destroyed kings. (Proverbs 31:3 GNB)
11-28-2018 03:16 AM
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(11-28-2018 03:16 AM)N°6 Wrote:  So left wing revolutionary China defends a conservative position on marriage while right wing conservative China celebrates a revolutionary and liberal view on marriage.

Another reminder to get out of the fake left-right paradigm and look back in to see what it really is.

Yeah that's just the education system which imprints the idiosyncrasy of us thinking the political spectrum applies evenly across the world.

In reality:

1930s Germany - The Nazis are known as being anti-Semitic but the Communists in Germany were Antisemitic too (as were a lot of "conservatives" and some liberals).

USSR - Stalin almost did his own Holocaust (Doctor's Plot), brought back the Churches and so on. His own mother thought he was trying to be a Tsar.


Contemporary Australia / Britain / Canada - "Conservative" parties supporting LGBT, welfare state and healthcare systems (and increasing numbers of foreign workers and immigrants).



Thing is most of us aren't going to be interested in mainland China. The few vloggers that are dominant in China (think Laowei86, Stirpenza and those people) are all getting annoyed about China going reactionary so a lot of them are moving to Taiwan or thinking about it these days.
11-30-2018 06:30 PM
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Taiwanese men in skirts challenge gender stereotypes

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Quote:Men of all ages have been gathering on the streets of Taiwan wearing skirts, as part of events organised to challenge gender stereotypes and raise awareness of Taiwan's long-awaited marriage bill.

Discussions will take place in parliament on Friday, and legislation for same-sex marriage will be either passed or rejected on 24 May. If it does go through, it will make Taiwan the first place in Asia to allow such unions.

A Facebook group encouraging people to "put on your miniskirt" garnered lots of interest and became a popular place to share photos of the varied outfits worn at the weekend.


Other organised events have been taking place at the National Taiwan University and even at a high school in New Taipei, where some male students walked around the school grounds in their uniform shirts with co-ordinating skirts, according to Taiwan News.


Students at New Taipei Municipal Banqiao Senior High School posted their support on Facebook, including the head teacher, Lai Chunjin, who said: "We want to break gender stereotypes and respect differences in temperament. So join our skirt-wearing team."

One male teacher who wore a skirt to school said: "While I was playing football, so many students said, 'what you're wearing is very strange'."

But he responded: "If I like wearing these types of clothes, then what's stopping me? We can all break gender stereotypes and respect differences."

Online news channel Focus Taiwan has pointed out that "the level of anxiety is high" among LGBT communities in Taiwan ahead of the bill.

It says the provisions stipulated in the Executive Yuan's draft bill "could be compromised during the negotiations" and might "only barely meet minimum standards in terms of the rights and level of protection it affords" - such as by not recognising non-biological adoptions.

Since voters opposed marriage equality in a series of referendums last November, same-sex marriage has become a complex issue, particularly as the constitutional court had previously said it was illegal to ban them.

More than two-thirds of those voters wanted to retain the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman under civil law.

The same-sex marriage issue has been a challenge for President Tsai Ing-wen, who had promised marriage equality in her election campaign.

At the weekend, whilst attending another school function, she pointed out that: "Men in Scotland wear skirts, so why can't men in Taiwan?"


Social media users in Taiwan and mainland China have come out in support of the movement.

On China's popular micro-blogging site Weibo, some users came out in support including the Beijing Gay Centre, and "I am born", who said more people should put aside hostility and embrace difference.

However, not everyone agreed, with comments like "idiots" and "I don't support LGBT" being left on the Weibo accounts.
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(05-16-2019 01:40 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  At the weekend, whilst attending another school function, she pointed out that: "Men in Scotland wear skirts, so why can't men in Taiwan?"
MEN in Scotland wear "skirts", not soyboys.
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Kilts have been a symbol of defiance and strength, whether standing against unjust laws from London, or making the best German or Mysorean soldiers quake in fear.

Those boys just envy the options Thai 'boys' have. Besides, if they really wanted less restriction down there, then why not wear traditional hanfu.
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Million dollar question:

Is the faggot loving bullshit secretly being funded and pushed by mainland China so they can weaken all the men, and militarily invade (reclaim) the renegade island with almost no resistance ?
Or are the Taiwanese falling in love with buttsex degeneracy all by themselves without any outside influences ?
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(05-17-2019 08:05 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  Million dollar question:

Is the faggot loving bullshit secretly being funded and pushed by mainland China so they can weaken all the men, and militarily invade (reclaim) the renegade island with almost no resistance ?
Or are the Taiwanese falling in love with buttsex degeneracy all by themselves without any outside influences ?

Taiwan is basically a US colony:

"The proof that you're a colony of America is...if you're taking gay marriage seriously.."





Taiwan gay marriage: Parliament legalises same-sex unions

Quote:Taiwan's parliament has become the first in Asia to legalise same-sex marriage following a vote on Friday.

In 2017, the island's constitutional court ruled that same-sex couples had the right to legally marry.


Parliament was given a two-year deadline and was required to pass the changes by 24 May.

Lawmakers debated three different bills to legalise same-sex unions and the government's bill, the most progressive of the three, was passed.

Thousands of gay rights supporters gathered in the rain outside the parliament building in the capital, Taipei, to await the landmark ruling.

There were shouts of joy and some tearful embraces as the result was announced.

However, conservative opponents were angered by the vote.

What does the bill entail?

The two other bills, submitted by conservative lawmakers, refer to partnerships as "same-sex family relationships" or "same-sex unions" rather than "marriages".

But the government's bill, also the only one to offer limited adoption rights, was passed by 66 to 27 votes - backed by lawmakers from the majority Democratic Progressive Party.

It will take effect after Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen passes it into law.

Several same-sex activists had said ahead of the vote that this was the only version they would accept.

"I'm very surprised - but also very happy. It's a very important moment in my life," Jennifer Lu, chief co-ordinator of rights group Marriage Equality Coalition Taiwan, told the BBC.

"However, it's still not full marriage rights; we still need to fight for co-adoption rights, and we are not sure about foreigner and Taiwanese marriage, and also gender equality education.

"It's a very important moment, but we are going to keep on fighting. We are Taiwanese and we want this important value for our country, for our future," she added.

"For me the outcome today is not 100 percent perfect, but it's still pretty good for the gay community as it provides legal definition," said Elias Tseng, a gay pastor who spoke to the AFP news agency outside parliament.

Taiwanese singer Jolin Tsai posted a picture of a rainbow on Facebook accompanied by the caption "Congratulations!! Everyone deserves happiness!"

How did we get here?

In 2017, Taiwan's constitutional court ruled that same-sex couples had the right to legally marry.

It said then that the island had two years to make necessary changes to the law.

But this was met with a public backlash, which pressured the government into holding a series of referendums.

The referendum results showed that a majority of voters in Taiwan rejected legalising same-sex marriage, saying that the definition of marriage was the union of a man and woman.

As a result, Taiwan said it would not alter its existing definition of marriage in civil law, and instead would enact a special law for same-sex marriage.

What reaction has there been?

Many took to social media in celebration, seeing the result as a win for marriage equality.

"What a tremendous victory for LGBT rights!" said Phil Robertson, deputy Asia director at Human Rights Watch.

"Taiwan's action today should sound a clarion call, kicking off a larger movement across Asia to ensure equality for LGBT people."

Earlier on Friday, Ms Tsai said in a tweet that the island had taken "a big step towards true equality" with the vote.


Meanwhile, Tseng Hsien-ying, from the Coalition for the Happiness of Our Next Generation, told AFP news agency the vote had "trampled on Taiwanese people's expectations that a marriage and a family is formed by a man and a woman, a husband and a wife".

Others expressed opposition on social media.

"This is the death of democracy. Seven million people voted against same-sex marriage in the referendum and their votes meant nothing
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"Is same-sex marriage that important and urgent?", Liu Yan wrote on Facebook.


How does this compare to other countries in the region?

Taiwan has been a leader for gay rights in Asia, hosting an annual gay pride parade in Taipei attended by LGBT groups from all over the continent.

The law was also celebrated by many LGBT people in the region. Paul Ng, from Singapore, told the BBC he and his friends saw it as "an occasion to celebrate, even though we're not Taiwanese. It's a success for us, for all gay people."

"For Singaporeans, this is especially important because our government likes to go on and on about preserving 'Asian' values… so this sends a very important message to other developed nations in Asia."

Wong Ka Ying, an LGBT artist in Hong Kong, said that Taiwan's decision would help raise awareness, although she doubted it would make an impact in "more conservative" places like Hong Kong or mainland China.

Vietnam decriminalised gay marriage celebrations in 2015, but stopped short of granting full legal recognition for same-sex unions.

While same-sex marriage is still illegal in China, homosexuality was decriminalised in the country in 1997, and officially removed from its list of mental illnesses three years later.

Elsewhere in Asia, laws are changing to reflect more tolerant attitudes towards LGBT groups.

In a historic decision, India's Supreme Court ruled that gay sex was no longer a criminal offence in September 2018.

However the approach differs in other Asian countries.

In April, Brunei announced strict new Islamic laws that made anal sex and adultery offences punishable by stoning to death, but it says it will not enforce the death penalty for gay sex.
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The DPP might have just put the nail in their coffin with the latest ruling for at least a decade. The reason they were voted in in 2016 was to turn around economic stagnation and to diversify relations besides cross-strait ones, which doesn't mean sabotaging cross strait relations.

Not only they manged to not turn around economic stagnation, unnecessarily made cross-strait relations worse than it should've been, and brain drain to the Mainland, but also they managed to come up with a slew of other weird, if not honkpilled, neoliberal laws that Taiwanese don't understand, such as the "One Mandatory Day Off" policy and also a massive increase in non-Mandarin speaking foreign labor especially from Vietnam. Another honk pilled suggestion was to make English the second official language in Taiwan. This has effectively handed the next election to the KMT.

This was forced down the throats of the Taiwanese people, which has especially bad optics since the DPP is supposedly the vanguard of democracy in Taiwan. 72% of Taiwanese voted in a referendum to not legalize gay marriage. The "liberal democratic" party not respecting democracy but being authoritarian-like in forcing unpopular neoliberal agendas has brought a taste of the Clown World to Taiwan.
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(05-17-2019 02:10 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  
(05-17-2019 08:05 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  Million dollar question:

Is the faggot loving bullshit secretly being funded and pushed by mainland China so they can weaken all the men, and militarily invade (reclaim) the renegade island with almost no resistance ?
Or are the Taiwanese falling in love with buttsex degeneracy all by themselves without any outside influences ?

Taiwan is basically a US colony:

"The proof that you're a colony of America is...if you're taking gay marriage seriously.."


I never thought I'd be on the side of the Chinese to reclaim the island of Taiwan, but if China mainland can put a stop to all the butt-sex & faggot love, then I welcome the invasion.


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This whole thing makes very little sense to me. If it is a big, destructive psyop by the CCP to do long term damage to the fabric of Taiwan, I would believe it.

Even hetero couples don't make much of a display of love in Taiwan, and much less so than a gay couple will even with this bullshit celebration.

Taipei is just trying to emulate the west. This is fully at the behest of the big marketing strategists who tried it in Japan and failed miserably.

Asians are about as into buttsex and steam room orgies as we all think. But its doesn't stop liberal women from crying about the progress on social media.
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I understand Taiwan is filled with lesbians rather than male gay couples. Guess that's mostly whom this measure caters to.
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