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Defeating Islam Megathread
Why I'm Writing This

I am starting this thread in response to the following Islamic terrorist attacks: Manchester, London, Nice, Bataclan, Frankfurt, Brussels, Indonesia, Egypt, Phillipines, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Berlin, Ohio State University, Egypt, Rouen, Ansbach, Wurzburg, Baghdad, Dhaka, Istanbul, Orlando, Nigeria, Somalia, Cameroon, St. Petersburg, San Bernadino, etc. etc. etc.
All within the last few years, all Islamic terror.

We have always been ahead of the curve in social terms. But now, we are more powerful than we have ever been against those who would upend civilization.

Once relegated to the dusty corners of the internet, we now influence modern thought. With the alt-right serving as dedicated scapegoats, the rainmakers at 4chan crafting the weaponized memes and hypercritical investigations that shape the narrative, and the public face of the resistance (/r/the_donald, etc.) legitimizing the movement, our role - if we choose to accept it - is to serve as a hyperintelligent think tank.

We know persuasion. We can bring it to the fight.

Our Enemies

Unfortunately, we are fighting a two-front war. We are fighting against both Islam, and against normies. Two-front wars are difficult. In this case, at least, we can convert the normies to our side. Also, remember, 4chan fought a many-front war against Hillary Clinton and in the end Donald Trump got elected. So, victory is possible. Now, to examine our foes.

Islam is our enemy for obvious reasons. They want to kill the kuffar, convert them, or force them to pay jizya. Simple enough. We don't have to elaborate on this.

The normies are a more subversive enemy. They want to hamstring our efforts to fight against Islam, for their own motivations. We must elaborate on this.

Normies have their own motivations: social recognition, being recognized as 'good', being 'honest' with their beliefs, so on.

Fighting against normies is going to be very different than fighting against Islamists. In both cases, we must proceed with persuasion - but we must attack different weak points in each enemy. In each case we must undermine them at every possible vulnerability.

How To Fight Islamists

Islamists will be vulnerable to methods of persuasion that undermine their motivations to pursue jihad or to practice their religion.

One method that Donald Trump recently pursued is to brand terrorists as 'evil losers'. As opposed to the media's constant reminder that jihadists and terrorists are monsters, a brand that these jihadists and terrorists would love to have stamped on their foreheads, Trump rightly sensed that the way to discourage people from joining their ranks was to remove glory from them.

WE MUST NOT FORGET THIS.

ISIS successfully rebranded themselves shortly after Trump's 'evil losers' interview by getting the media to rubberstamp them as monsters. This must not pass.

One way groups like 4chan can fight terrorism is by doing deep dives into these people's lives and digging up embarrasing facts. Did Ahmed fuck a goat in Afghanistan? Did his brother have a spinal deformity because his parents were related? Did he get caught masturbating in a pool while watching an 11 year old girl in her swimsuit? The entire world needs to know this. This extends to the entire family and their social networks as well. Every ugly secret of the entire family needs to be rooted out and put on display for Google to cache in perpetuity.

If a precedent is set that a terrorist will get shame put upon his family's and friends' heads for generations to come, it will discourage future terror. Make no mistake about it.

Trump was right to call these people 'evil losers'. It's up to the Eye of Sauron (4chan) to dig this stuff up. We need additional assets with Arabic language to spread this to the Arabic-speaking world. But we can start with the English-speaking world.

How To Fight Normies

These subversive bastards can best be summed up by the cuck in the UK restaurant ducking down to avoid gunfire pleading with his fellow victim that 'it wasn't Muslims'. Well, it was Muslims. So, good show, champ. Now let's deal with this like a real civilization.

Fortunately, normies can be converted. The upshot is that terrorists are helping to convert normies by blowing up their friends (see: the central argument against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars). The downside (not actually a downside) is that there simply aren't enough bombs to convert enough people on their own. So we need to engage in memetic warfare.

Instilling cognitive dissonance as often as possible: The #DraftOurDaughters meme near the end of the Crooked Hillary campaign was an absolute masterpiece of persuasion. Viscerally wrong for reasons that nobody could form words against without running afoul of the PC police, the chilling campaign wrought havoc among the memesphere by instilling horrifying cognitive dissonance. People knew something was wrong, but they couldn't exactly put their finger on why.

Reframing: The current meme campaign comparing refugees to Mordor Orcs is another good example. The reframe of 'helpless refugees' to 'invading army force', couched in satirical tones, is sharp enough to sting any leftist who happens to see an inconvenient picture of a boatful of Arabic/African men of military age with nary a woman, child or elder in sight.

Reminders: It's easy to forget the past. What was the fourth most recent terror attack you heard of? You can't remember. Neither can I. Bringing up the wounds of terror attacks of ye.. wait, mon... no, weeks past will stoke fresh anger against them. Does anyone remember the name Ebba Akerlund? Keep reminding them.

ExMuslims: We need to signal boost exMuslims so that people can hear the inside story about the horrors of Islam. Besides the obvious known entities such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, we also need to boost unknown names to the forefront. https://twitter.com/mohamedmaloof is (so far as I can tell) one such example. We need to give these people a strong platform and a strong voice, and find a way to market that message to normies.

Mobilizing Forces

We also need to collaborate with the individuals and groups that can help us. The_Donald is a 400k-strong (at least) group of redditors, and possibly the most enthusiastic of them all, that collectively detest the fruits of Islam and want to rein it in. 4chan is an esoteric Deck Of Many Things that can help us with the most creative memes and the most intrusive of investigations.

In addition, we have new media resources we can contact. Mike_CF is a former poster here that has gone on to greater things as America's leading investigative journalist, and who was instrumental in getting Trump elected. Paul Joseph Watson and the Infowars crew are rabidly anti-Islam and are on our bandwagon - we can provide them with story material and hot tips where we find them.

In Summary

We can help. Leonard's #collaborator hashtag is one way to fight Islam, by demoralizing the normies who would defend it. But we can - nay, need - to do more, myself included.

Let's use this thread to discuss ways to accomplish that mission statement.

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(05-23-2017 02:31 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The problem isn't waking people up to the "Islamic threat."

In truth, there is no Islamic threat. The muslims are only here because we have traitors who open the gates to them in the first place.

Islam is a symptom of a much more serious cultural AIDS killing us from within.

Getting people to wake up on the cultural AIDS is far more difficult. Hating on Islam is easy because it is visible. The average right-winger recognizes this. But try explaining to them how Islam got here, and suddenly no one wants to address the (((fundamental problems))).
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We need to fight both. We need to stop the cancer as quickly as possible.

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It's our traitors that are the problem, not Muslims. Without their support, Islam would easily fall into line and be reduced either to stable and rather peaceful coexistence or violent but total irrelevance. Talking about "fighting Islam" just distracts us from the root of all evil sitting right under our noses.

Islamic terrorism is the symptom of the disease, not the cause.

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There has to be a mindset shift in the public.

Islam needs to be re-branded from a religion to a cult.

In the article below the author describes it as the Cult of Mohammed. I think that is a very effective and powerful linguistic kill shot.

Quote:. 1) The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

This quite accurately describes Islam which is a totalitarian ideology with a façade of religion. Its leader, Muhammad who is probably a myth, is proclaimed to be the perfect man whose example every Muslim should follow. Everything he supposedly did or expounded is considered perfect and cannot be challenged or changed upon threat of death. This idolatry, which Islam professes to decry, is exhibited in the total obeisance and repeated use of the expression “Peace Be Upon Him” – PBUH every time his name is even mentioned. Sharia, Islamic law, is derived from the Qur’an and the actions and sayings of Muhammad (taken from the sira and hadiths).

The supremacy (or arrogance) of the concept of Muhammad is that he is supposedly the last prophet – there can be no more prophets (this was in the sixth century in a very backward part of the world), and the extreme arrogance of the claimed statement by Muhammad, “Every prophet was sent to his nation but only I have been sent to all mankind.”

Islam is the Arabic word meaning submission (to Muhammad’s “god” – Allah) and is derived from a word meaning peace. Muslims are those who have submitted. For Westerners, the clearest expression of that submission is the bowing down with the head on the ground in daily prayers. Total submission to Allah (or Muhammad) results in fatalism resulting in not taking responsibility for one’s actions. Muslims regularly rationalize their actions, or inactions, or events as InshAllah (also In Sha’ Allah) – “Allah’s will.”

The Qur’an is purported to be the exact word of Allah as transmitted to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel. Therefore, it is not open for discussion, analysis, or critique, even though it contains grammatical and historical errors, is completely illogical in that surahs (chapters) are arranged based on length, not chronological context, there are parts which no one understands, and there are many contradictions. It was written in the poetic style of the desert, which is not fully translatable, and the Bedouins had little concern for chronology such as placing Moses and Jesus together in time.

Islam is a totalitarian ideology covering every aspect of life, is considered perfect, and calls for its imposition on everyone in the world whether they want it or not.

2. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

It is a crime to criticize, doubt, or disagree with Islam. This is blasphemy and the sentence is death. It is a crime and a sin to leave Islam. A Muslim who rejects Islam is an “apostate” and the punishment for apostasy is death (and eternal damnation in hell thereafter). Under sharia, it is forbidden for anyone to try to convert a Muslim to another religion.

When Islam is defamed in any way, Muslims should violently defend it. Even in a cartoon! But Muslims can and should defame Jews and Christians in Muslim newspapers, the internet, and television, and they should defame any infidel or enemy, as they defame the US today.

3. Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

There are five “pillars” of Islam: profession of faith, prayer, fasting during Ramadan, religious tax, and the hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). [Jihad was almost a sixth pillar.] Every Muslim must pray five times a day. This repetition helps dominate a Muslim’s life, infusing his daily routine with Islam. It would be impossible to forget anything you deliberately do so often. Five times a day, every day, a Muslim must bow down and pray to Allah. The more effort a person expends for a cause, the more he is likely to believe and value it. This also helps make believers out of people who became Muslims through coercion.

4. The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

Every imaginable aspect of life is dictated by Islam from how to go to the bathroom, to all aspects of personal hygiene, how to place the feet to pray properly, what can and cannot be done including photography, television, drinking, eating pork, charging interest, gambling, playing stringed instruments, depicting animate life, the clothes to wear, and what women are permitted to do, what their testimony is worth, what they can inherit, how they can get to paradise, and that they can be beaten (or killed).

5. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

Muslims consider all non-Muslims and non-Muslim culture useless and see their goal to make the whole world Muslim. Everything before Islam is jahiliyya or ignorance, of no value and should be destroyed, such as the Bamiyan Buddhas.

We have already noted how special Muhammad is so that everything he said or did is revered. Muslims are permitted four wives, but Muhammad was “permitted” unlimited wives and he was permitted to marry Zeinab, the wife of his adopted son (both revelations from the Qur’an).

Under Islam, non-Muslims must pay a large tax. Once Muslims conquer a country and convert the government to Islamic law, non-Muslims have the choice to convert or die. However, Christians, Jews, and some Zoroastrians have the choice between becoming Muslim or becoming a dhimmi. Dhimmis are allowed to practice their non-Muslim religion if they pay the jizya (a tax). If they convert to Islam, they no longer have to pay a tax, so there is a practical incentive to convert. This was a brilliant idea from the early days of Islam. The tax took money away from the non-Muslims and their competing systems and gave that money to support Islam. The income from those taxes (usually a 25% income tax) helped fund the Islamic conquests during the first two major jihads. This third class citizens/slaves status under Islam is called Dhimmitude.

Several ideas within Sharia law extend this effect. For example, non-Muslims are not allowed to build any new houses of worship. They're not even allowed to repair already-existing churches or synagogues. This puts the houses of worship of any competing religion or ideology in a state of permanent decline. Also, non-Islamic prayers cannot be spoken within earshot of a Muslim — again, preventing Muslims from being infected by a competing religion. No public displays of any symbols of another faith may be shown either. All of this prevents the spread of any competing religion or ideology, and makes them die out over time. That's why today there are so many "Muslim countries." Most of the Muslim countries are now at or near 100% Muslim. Almost all other countries in the world are made up of many different religions. Also, non-Muslims are not allowed to own weapons of any kind.

The Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia have been and still are pouring money into building mosques all over the free world, including extensive construction in the US. But in Saudi Arabia, no non-Muslim religious structures are allowed to be built. Muslims all over the world protest loudly and violently when anyone in Europe or America resists the building of more mosques in their countries. Islamic supremacists don't see the irony in it. They don't feel strange having such an obvious double standard. They are, after all, Allah's followers and everyone else is deluded. Fairness and equality with such unworthy infidels would seem very out of place. A double standard seems completely appropriate from that perspective.

The double standard principle is a key part of Islam, and it has been a great advantage in the spread of Islam (and the suppression of competing religions or ideologies). Muslims demand concessions and accommodations but they refuse any reciprocity. They demand respect but show no respect to non-Muslims. Their arrogant intolerance stands them against the rest of the world.

It is forbidden to kill a Muslim (except for a just cause). It is not forbidden to kill an infidel. This causes a bond between Muslims, fear in non-Muslims, and motivation to become Muslim.

6. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

Islam is dualistic: humanity is divided into believers (that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the prophet of Allah) and kafirs (all non-Muslims or unbelievers). A kafir is hated, ignorant, evil, a liar, disgraced, unclean, cursed, a partner of Satan, and can be beheaded, enslaved, raped, mocked, confused, terrorized, deceived, annihilated, robbed, killed, crucified, plotted against, made war on and humiliated, and a Muslim cannot be his friend. [Each of these is from Islamic texts.]

Islam divides the world, which belongs to Allah, into the Dar al-Islam (land of submission) and the Dar al-Harb (land of war). That is that Islamic lands are good and the rest of the world should be subjugated. It is the duty of the faithful to gain control of any parts of the world that are not following Islamic law and establish sharia. It is a sin to let it be.

Islam must always be defended. This idea is a primary linchpin that gives justification for war with almost anybody. After the enemy is defeated, of course, Muslims are required to establish an Islamic state. Islamic writings teach the use of pretext to start wars. The use of pretext tends to make the West defenseless against the Islamic invasion now underway. Muslim terrorists are not naïve people. They are smart, educated, well-funded, and being used by a very clever ideology.

7. The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

Muhammad was supposedly the perfect man, answerable only to Allah if anyone, but Allah seems to be an invention of Muhammad or whoever invented Muhammad. There is no central authority in Islam. Thus various imams, mullahs, ayatollahs, sheikhs, and other leaders often add their own interpretations to theocratic and political questions. Al Azhar University in Cairo is regarded as a top center of Sunni Islam and the supreme leader or ayatollah in Iran tries to represent Shiites, but there are still other groups: Alawites, Ismailis, Sufis, Druze, Deobandis, etc.

8. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

Islam has explicit double standards: one standard for Muslims and a different standard for non-Muslims, which always gives the advantage to Muslims and within a Muslim country, it provides incentives to convert. There is no right and wrong in Islam; there is NO GOLDEN RULE IN ISLAM. What advances Islam is good; what impedes the advance of Islam is bad. Islam must be free to spread around the world, but other religions cannot try to spread their religion.

The Qur'an counsels the use of deceit when dealing with infidels. According to one of the hadiths, Muhammad instructed one of his followers to lie if he had to. The principle was clear: If it helps Islam, it's okay to deceive non-Muslims. This is taqiyya. It has been used historically and is still used: Islamic leaders saying one thing in English for the Western press, and saying something entirely different in Arabic for their Muslim audience.

The Qur'an says, "War is deceit" and since Islam is at war with the non-Islamic world until the whole world follows sharia, all non-Muslims living in non-Islamic states are enemies. So deceiving Westerners is totally acceptable. It is encouraged if it can forward the goal of the spread of Islam.

One of the most embarrassing events of Islamic history, or mythology, is when Muhammad had up to 900 Jews of the Banu Qurayzah tribe in Medina beheaded before their wives and children for refusing to convert to Islam after the Battle of the Ditch. Beheading has been a hallmark of Islam as well as rape, torture, dismemberment, and castration. Professionals who have studied this behavior state that Islamist mutilation is a ritualistic crime, a deliberate desecration of the enemy, to alleviate shame and restore honor. For Islamists, honor is the male characteristic of courage and bravery while dishonor is a female characteristic signified by weakness and submissiveness. Shame comes from hypersensitivity to real or perceived humiliation. Thus compassion symbolizes weakness while brutality and violence symbolize strength and are viewed as heroic. Islamists can therefore commit crimes which otherwise would be considered atrocities by civilized nations and still be hailed as heroes by Islamists all over the world.

Giving money to charities which have later been shown in courts to be supporters of Hamas and HezbAllah has been widespread in the US Muslim community. Hamas was created in 1987 by the International Muslim Brotherhood and it ordered the Brotherhood chapters around the world to establish Palestine Committees. The trial of the Holy Land Foundation revealed that CAIR (the Council on American-Islamic Relations) had been created as part of the US Palestine Committee and CAIR and its founder Omar Awad were named as unindicted co-conspirators.

9. The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

The pressure to conform is intense starting with the affirmation that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger and then bowing down in complete submission five times a day in prayer. Not conforming brings great shame to a family, which is unacceptable in tribal societies. To criticize Islam is a death sentence and to in any way bring dishonor to a family is so critical that honor killing, mainly of women (mothers, daughters, sisters), is acceptable, even demanded. The psychological term for such behavior is brainwashing.

10. Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

A Muslim is not supposed to be friends with non-Muslims. This extends to family if members are not Muslims. This in-gathering is seen in Jamaat ul Fuqra, Muslim terrorist training camps, communes of primarily black American-born Muslims. They have established more than 35 of these “Jamaats” in 22 states and Canada.

11. The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

Under Islam, it is a holy requirement that the whole world should be brought under Islam. There can be no “peace” until everyone is a Muslim. [This is a bad joke since even if the Muslims could gain power, they would fight among themselves.] This dates from the Qur’an and has been repeated regularly over the centuries. Ibn Khaldun reiterated it in the 15th Century: “In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force... Islam is under obligation to gain power over nations.” This is echoed in the writings of Sayyid Qutb and other Muslim writers and to the present with Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

12. The group is preoccupied with making money.

Money is the key and the power behind jihad and expansion. The success of Islam finally took off only after Muhammad’s raids on caravans and they gained wealth from non-Muslim sources from plunder. Muslim groups are not averse to using extortion, kidnappings, crime, and the drug business to finance their endeavors.

There was relative calm in Islamic action between the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the dissolution of the caliphate after World War I and the vast oil income that befell to the Arab states after World War II. The enormous flow of oil money allowed the Muslim states to export their ideology and move against non-Muslims.

13. Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

The requirement to pray five times a day is time consuming and controlling. Muslims are also supposed to attend Friday prayers at the mosque (during which they are often fired up and incited to riot afterward as seen repeatedly in recent years). The mosques are usually also community centers for activities, jihadist training, and for training youth. The pilgrimage to Mecca, the hajj, is a onetime requirement for all Muslims who can make it.

14.Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

A Muslim is forbidden to make friends with an infidel. A Muslim is allowed to pretend to be a friend, but in his heart he must never actually be a friend to a non-Muslim. Muslims in non-Muslim countries tend to stay together and form ghettos. The ghettos have become so closed in parts of Europe that they have become No-Go Zones into which firemen and police will not enter without escort. These closed communities impose sharia and crimes are not reported to the authorities. Non-Muslims are ordered to stay out.

15. The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

Islam is a total ideology of submission to Allah (or Muhammad). Muslims are the only acceptable people. All others are kafirs, of no value. The reprisals are strong for even thinking against Islam, blasphemy, or daring to leave, apostasy. The penalty for both is death.

Islam seems to fit the ICSA criteria for a cult. Since Allah is deemed to be unknowable, Islam seems to better fit as the cult of Muhammad. Muslims refer to Allah, but they seem to have deified Muhammad. Everything is about Muhammad. One strong indication of this is that the Sacred Law is not the law of Allah but the Sacred Law of Muhammad. Throughout the Qur’an, it is “Allah and his Messenger,” but sometimes it is just the Messenger. In Reliance of the Traveller [‘Umdat al-Salik from the 14th Century], a Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law updated and certified by Al Azhar in 1991, it is stated it rather clearly. Allah sent Muhammad, “the Qurayshite unlettered prophet, to deliver His inspired message to the entire world, Arabs and non-Arabs, jinn and mankind, superseding and abrogating all previous religious systems with the Prophet’s Sacred Law, except for the provisions of them that the new revelation explicitly reconfirmed. Allah has favored him above all the other prophets and made him the highest of mankind, rejecting anyone’s attesting to the divine oneness by saying ‘There is no god but Allah,’ unless they also attest to the Prophet by saying ‘Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.’ He has obliged men and jinn to believe everything the Prophet has informed us concerning this world and the next, and does not accept anyone’s faith unless they believe in what he has told us will happen after death.”

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To start with, these "watch" lists of known extremists and supporters, needs to become a "detained and deported" list.
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I do not see this thread going in the direction that is hoped for...
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You can start by expelling the radical imans and replace them by peaceful ones.
A second step should be placing secret services in all the existing mosques. Or at least the bigger ones.

A third step would be more global.
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'Islamic Terrorism' is nothing but a Trojan horse and a smoke screen of the USA, Israel, England, France, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies to advance their geopolitical agendas. They finance, train and protect them. Geopolitically speaking, you can say that Islamic terrorism works under the protection of the American nuclear umbrella. So, as long as the above mentioned interests prevail, the 'Yihad' will be present. And please, stop trashing London's Major Sadiq Khan when he says that terrorism is 'part and parcel' of living in a major city. Believe me, he knows what he's talking about.

With God's help, I'll conquer this terrible affliction.

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1. Stop letting refugees in
2. Stop toppling middle east dictators
3. Stop nation building
4. Stop giving them weapons
5. Stop capital flows from going to their countries (starting with producing our own oil)

Do these 5 things, then we're getting somewhere.
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RE: Defeating Islam Megathread
Making/spreading memes is the LEAST anyone concerned about current situation should be doing.

Never underestimate the power of memes and humor in general. Just look at what Pepe did, or heck even Milo.
That is of course to redpill people. When it comes to politics, I'm not quite sure how you fight against demons like Soros or Merkel who are deliberately doing all this.
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RE: Defeating Islam Megathread
(06-04-2017 09:42 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  1. Stop letting refugees in
2. Stop toppling middle east dictators
3. Stop nation building
4. Stop giving them weapons
5. Stop capital flows from going to their countries (starting with producing our own oil)

Do these 5 things, then we're getting somewhere.

0. Deport Muslims from Europe.
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This is actually the most humane thing. We all know the other eventuality...
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I see a lot of talk of outright "banning islam" but have yet to see legitimate, practical solutions for how that is going to happen in countries like the US/UK instead of all at once, and what we do with the existing muslims in our societies. For example "luke warm" Muslims (as Zel would refer to them) who might have been in a country for multiple generations now. How do you separate the truly integrated and assimilated? You can't just start deporting people randomly (unethical) or administering faith/nationalist-based tests (circumventable). We're a long way from this point of going from zero to BAN, and thus I digress...

We should be asking ourselves, what real-world solutions can be applied in our respective countries, and how can we actually impact the real world instead of just talking about it on the internet? Putting action behind our words. Who do we know and how can we influence policy, law, and execution of those policies and laws? Jeff Giesea, who used to work for Peter Thiel and who is a friend of mine for example, is starting his own public think-tank & policy institute here in DC to work in tandem with the Trump adminstratation to do just that. I don't know what extent some of us will be involved but it's potential real impact versus an "all talk no action" approach.

To combat and eradicate islam there have to be different stages of approach (each of which practical, real-world solutions must be applied):

1. Educate the public on the threat of islam to the western world (Zel spoke about this in another thread) - More people speaking the truth, modifying school curriculums, eliminating political correctness, etc. The only way this is going to happen is through governmental policy changes and by changing public perception and it will only happen if people in communities across each country begin openly talking about the problem. Silence is our enemy. Press on when someone calls you a islamaphobe or xenophobe and convince everyone you know to do the same. Those labels mean nothing, especially if your country is destroyed. Just be cautious on social media if you're posting with your real name (which I do not recommend) in countries where there are real-life consequences for doing so (more on that with #3 below).

2. Combat the Pro-islam Media - CNN, BBC, AlJazeera, and others sympathetic to Islam must be further discredited, de-legitimized, and forced to report on the truth (see #1 above). I think we are already starting to see a shift here in that people trust the mainstream media less than they ever have in recent times (at least in the US). They use "politically-correct" and re-label to spin the narrative to be less than it really is and must continue to be called out on it, publicly, on the internet, and in our off-line communities. I went out into the real world yesterday to do my small part via #CNNisISIS which was trending worldwide until the London attack.

This also means that the family members of terrorists should be shown to the world, just as would happen if a "white" man went on a shooting spree here in the US. They would be all over the news, publicly shamed, and it would further serve to inhibit radicalization and action. Notice that not a single family member is hardly ever shown on media outlets in non-US countries when an "Islamic Extremist" commits terrorism there. They bury the truth, and the people involved.

Alt-Media is on the rise. More people need to start their own and get involved. There is a demand and it can be profitable. Be smart and stay in accordance with the law.

3. De-throne Pro-islam Politicians in Local/State Arenas - These people are weak and cannot be allowed to be re-elected, regardless of party (absolutely key). This means more of us need to get involved... as well as convince other like-minded individuals to get involved in local and state politics. Volunteering (like Samseau in NH) and getting the right people elected to the right positions, partnering with like-minded individuals and building communities in order to begin changing laws. We have a MAGA meetup here in DC (separate from my RVF one) that now has over 30 people attending every 2 weeks, and if you recall only 3% of DC voted Trump. We're quite the minority here but making inroads with the local talent, many of which have been in politics for a long time and have quite the pull.

Bottom line: The only way we're going to make an impact here is by outright ostracizing and utterly demolishing cucks in positions of power. Find out who they really are and where their loyalties lie. If they aren't truly representing the best interests of the local/state/nation they have to go. Plain and simple.

4. Internet Psy-Ops & Meme Warfare Campaigns - It's far too easy to find information on ISIS and other groups and many corners of the internet glorify radical islam. There's a fine line with internet censorship and search engine manipulation but I believe there is a proper solution somewhere. Still, any pro-islam (in the ideological sense) should be removed or results hidden, websites, taken down, etc.

"Demonizing" ISIS only draws certain types of individuals to their case. We need to continue to humiliate them (re: #2 above) with memetic warfare. Branding "Evil Losers" instead of "brave martyrs." There are already a lot of people working on memetic warfare via reddit, 4chan, twitter, etc., but it needs to become even more mainstream. No more flag filters. No more hashtag #PrayForWherever. Publicly shame people who you see doing this and remind them that those meaningless acts accomplish absolutely nothing. No longer remain silent or you are now contributing to the problem.

5. Prevent Outward Threats and Remove Inward Ones - In the U.S. Trump has taken some great steps towards this with his travel restriction EO's which up to this point have not been as effective due to the blocking by non-elected court judges. I expect we'll see some change soon once it goes to the Supreme Court.

Other countries need to follow suit by either shutting down immigration completely, drastically reducing those numbers, improving vetting techniques and putting limits on travel from specific countries. You'll continue to notice countries like Poland and Japan don't have issues with terrorism because they do not import in large numbers, have strong immigration policies and border defenses in place, and have much stricter assimilation requirements. The only way this is going to happen in non-US countries is if the overall public perception changes (via #1, #2, and #3).

I think that's a good start for now... If we can get to #5 in a few countries, we can then deal with the real issue of how to identify and eradicate the threat completely.

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RE: Defeating Islam Megathread
As Samseau says, the cultural AIDs is the problem and the Islamic influence in Europe is a symptom of that. Now Europe won't get rid of this cancer eating away at its body until its borderline terminal and then all the stops will be pulled out to get rid of it.

This is war and the plan to destroy Europe to put it under some form of control will be very easy once its done.
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RE: Defeating Islam Megathread
Stopping sucking off Saudi Arabia (the biggest sponsor and funder of Islamic terrorism and jihad) would be a good start.

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Combatting Islami and Terrorism by TEAMING UP with this cancerous scum is like launching an anti-obesity and health campaign sponsored by McDonalds
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(06-04-2017 09:58 AM)Gmac Wrote:  I see a lot of talk of outright "banning islam" but have yet to see legitimate, practical solutions for how that is going to happen in countries like the US/UK instead of all at once, and what we do with the existing muslims in our societies. For example "luke warm" Muslims (as Zel would refer to them) who might have been in a country for multiple generations now. How do you separate the truly integrated and assimilated? You can't just start deporting people randomly (unethical) or administering faith/nationalist-based tests (circumventable). We're a long way from this point of going from zero to BAN, and thus I digress...

To address this point, you're right that there's no way to ban/deport them without some work. The work would be like they do now, and in the past - infiltrate their groups and communications, and tag everyone. Immediate family, everyone they meet at the mosque, etc and branch out.

To be clear:

- Tag Bob the Jihadi. Add everyone he meets with at the mosque, his work and his family to a list.
- Go through everyone in that list. Are they obviously Muslim? If so, do the same with them.

Once you've done enough tagging over a long enough period, you'll have all of the Muslims in a nice big database. Deport them all.

With the resources the western states have, they can do this globally and any that try to enter western countries can just be denied entry, with secure borders.
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I wrote the below after Nice and it remains the obvious way to solve the problem.

(07-14-2016 07:59 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  The following will do it:

1. Aggressive and intrusive operations inside the worst Muslim neighborhoods; as in, 30-50 special forces guys descending on a supposed "no go" neighborhood and cleaning it up, rounding up and detaining/deporting dozens or hundreds of suspects, known ISIS sympathizers, agitators, etc, killing quite a few of them in the process. Repeated many times.

2. The above followed by very aggressive policing of these neighborhoods. No more "no go" zones, no more free for all. Any mosques, schools, "community centers" and other places of gathering where propaganda was going on are shut down. A policy of zero tolerance for the spread of ISIS ideology.

3. Close the borders, no more "refugees" or "migrants". A substantial portion of current refugees (non-citizens) are deported, especially younger males.

4. A complete military defeat of the ISIS state on the ground, their army destroyed, their leaders and commanders killed, all their territory reconquered.

All of this is easily doable given the political will, it does not require "civil war", "genocide", or even a mass expulsion of all or most Muslims from Europe. The political will is a matter of a few more attacks on the scale of Nice.

#1 and #2 are extremely important. There must be NO "no-go" zones anywhere in Europe, no neighborhoods in which Muslim thugs feel they run the show. That requires sustained aggressive, unrelenting and brutal policing in these neighborhoods after the initial shock-and-awe cleanup operations. #3 and #4 are essential as well. No more "refugees" or immigrants of any kind from these places; deport all recent arrivals; and ISIS must be annihilated on the ground in a way the inflicts mass casualties on their forces.

The question is how much more of this disgusting bloodletting there will be before the tide turns. I don't know the answer to that, but I believe that some men in Europe and the UK are rapidly losing their patience with the evil lies and insanity of those in power and their Year Zero allies in the media-academic-legal complex. There is a very dead and flat tone is some online commentary on the right, a tone that portends a change.

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RE: Defeating Islam Megathread
In terms of psyops: work on memeing Muhammad's quotes about women. The Quran ideally, from the Hadiths if you must. It has to be quick, easy to take in. Like it or not they have at least 50% of the vote and if they get turned off Islam en masse, so does the immigration flood.

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(06-04-2017 11:41 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  In terms of psyops: work on memeing Muhammad's quotes about women. The Quran ideally, from the Hadiths if you must. It has to be quick, easy to take in. Like it or not they have at least 50% of the vote and if they get turned off Islam en masse, so does the immigration flood.

Women don't care about any of that. Western women hate western men because they've become weak. They are ready to welcome the "migrants" with open arms and open cunts because losers and good-for-nothings are far more appealing to them than the white-knights and manginas they are surrounded by.

The only thing that will change western women is a change in western men.

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^ This is correct because the fundamentals of a successful society (or relationship) is patriarchy, not trying to beg from a matriarchy (women will hate you for that).

Memeing Muhammad's quotes about women is a good idea, but it should be done to convince men.
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I don't really have a game plan or anything but I found this interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comme...ks_were_a/
Reddit thread -- almost every person in this left wing thread is anti Saudi.
Nobody can really deny anymore that all of this Terrorism stems from them and their Mosque funding etc.
Top that off with left wing RVF members up in arms about Saudi Weapons Deal Trump just made.

The reception Trump got in KSA has infuriated the Left, it will be interesting to see how public perception towards Saudi Arabia may shift if Trump continues to be buddy buddy with them.

You can really go down the intergalactic 3D chess rabbit hole here by thinking that Trump knew that this would be the reaction from the Left if he did this deal, and would help rapidly shift public perception against the KSA.

But like I said I don't have any comment. I just find it interesting to see how the Left has shifted its view of KSA on a dime after Trumps visit
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RE: Defeating Islam Megathread
Using memes to fight terrorism to somehow embarass them aint gonna help. Once they are in the mode thatll make them more aggressive.
Memeing is no different then je suis france or onlylove#.
The real problem is the neocons war mongering only for the left to let in pissed off ptsd guys in.

Just watch for your circle. Once the fertility rate is up. Mass immigration will have no use and must be removed.
But if you spend time not trying to form a family like a career woman. Things wont change. Its just keeping you busy.
At this point idgaf. Who is still fearful anyways.
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(06-04-2017 12:48 PM)Newguy101 Wrote:  Using memes to fight terrorism to somehow embarass them aint gonna help. Once they are in the mode thatll make them more aggressive.
Memeing is no different then je suis france or onlylove#.

Sorry but this is just flat out wrong. Memes are another new tool and recent incarnation of psychological warfare, which has been highly effective since prehistoric times. I suggest you read up on Scott Adams and the art of persuasion.

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