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And no fire extinguisher in the stairs?

Also an old report revealed:

Quote:A 2012 report by the British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association (BAFSA) concluded that fire sprinklers could be retrofitted with tenants in place at a cost of about £1,150 a flat. Since the 24-storey Grenfell Tower contained 120 flats, it would have worked out at £138,000.

Architect and fire expert Sam Webb said: "We are still wrapping post-war high-rise buildings in highly flammable materials and leaving them without sprinkler systems installed, then being surprised when they burn down.
"I really don't think the building industry understands how fire behaves in buildings and how dangerous it can be. The government's mania for deregulation means our current safety standards just aren't good enough."

Didn't they spend millions recently to renovate it?

High-rises are potential death-threats, so they have either to have good design or sprinkler systems.

British construction was notoriously bad up until very recently. For example one may say a lot about the communists, but they had good engineers in countries like Poland. I read occasionally about fires in the old communist blocks that were also built in the 1960s and 70s. They don't have sprinkler systems, but the the end results of a blazing fire in one apartment looks like this:

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Worst case extent - the main danger actually coming from below due to the heat reaching the connected ventilation and gas-exit shafts of each apartment.

Usually it looks like this:

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The concrete blocks between apartments are tight. The gas lines are fire-proof, there are fire extinguishers on every floor, there is also a fire hose that can be activated by everyone on each floor and directed even by a local. There is nothing that could burn in the staircase, so that escape routes are not barred. And those were engineers in the 1960s. The reason why there was better construction in central Europe and EE than in the UK is because there was regulated qualification market for builders, trade education and unions.

Ah well - the UK is on it's way to a developing country. Paying for all the diversity and anti-terror defense will bankrupt most Western nations sooner or later.
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Justice at last!

A otherwise-law abiding and helpful non-Muslim man was sentenced to 3 months in Prison for uploading pictures of a partially covered body to his private facebook. (The judge has a Pakistani surname)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...cture.html

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This type of building is old and built with old requirements and standards. The only problem they have was substituting fire proof/resistant materials with low grade shit from India or China as they do when they want to save a quick buck.

The council is Labour run and Corbyn is trying to score political points off of this when it is a Labour area. Tories are getting it in the neck from champaign socialists and limousine liberals because those cocksuckers have no integrity just like that fat bitch Adelle and that irrelevant dick rider lilly Allen.

This bitch must have a hardon for brown people because her idiocy in the Calais camp was out on display at the scene of the fire and she even got on Channel 4 news to say how its a fucking conspiracy!

Its a Labour run council and they were responsible yet its The Pms fault and the rest of Parliament because some poor fucks nobody gives a fuck about got roasted in a building that should have been knocked down in the 90s.

Once more the political left is stirring up shit to appease some victimhood and they have their true victims here in the form of 1: immigrants, 2: refugees and 3: Poor people. Never saw these wasters stamping their feet when children and those other people were met with some peaceful murderers in manc and London.

To say I am amused is an understatement. All of these rich bastards move up a bit north of their comfy South kensington pads to see how the plebians live and are horrified about the conditions!

Funny how if it was any other day they'd get mugged, raped and/or beaten. Fuck off back to South Kensington and take your anarcho conspiracies with you.

All this cladding is designed to do is add insulation and a nice look to the area. They look like shit without it.
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Quote:"I really don't think the building industry understands how fire behaves in buildings and how dangerous it can be. The government's mania for deregulation means our current safety standards just aren't good enough."

Er, the government has a mania for overregulation, not deregulation. The building was clad in expensive and highly flammable materials because of government decrees on thermal insulation, not because someone randomly felt like it!

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(06-17-2017 09:16 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
Quote:"I really don't think the building industry understands how fire behaves in buildings and how dangerous it can be. The government's mania for deregulation means our current safety standards just aren't good enough."

Er, the government has a mania for overregulation, not deregulation. The building was clad in expensive and highly flammable materials because of government decrees on thermal insulation, not because someone randomly felt like it!

Actually it is both.

They deregulate where it counts - fire hazard, safety, property prices (many European governments offer semi-private housing schemes, that provide competition to the fully private market and thus keep prices much lower - the property owners prefer a fully "deregulated" market).

But they regulate like anal bastards where it counts less - global warming and insulation to "save energy" or we are all going to die. They regulate also hateful comments and Islamophobia like crazy but don't care to regulate stable borders or a sound immigration policy.

Also - this just in - Day of Rage is fine when it building shortcomings and an accident:


But when it is Muslims killing innocent women and children in the most gruesome way, then rage has to be as far removed as possible.
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More crazy updates on the Grenfell tower story.

First - 79 people died, because many of the residents sublet their flats to illegal aliens. I know that some of those can result in 10 men (!) sleeping on mattresses even in one room.

While I feel sympathy for them, the reaction of the government and the people is just crazy:





The surviving residents not only will get a lot of money due to tens of millions of pounds already being collected for them, they will also get cash from a class-action lawsuit in the future.

In addition the Teresa May has promised them not to be deported if found out that they are illegal.

And what tops the whole shitshow of is that the government has bought 68 flats in a 2 bio. $ luxury apartment building and is giving those highly expensive apartments at a cost of over 1 mio. $ each for free - furbished:

http://blackpigeonspeaks.com/grenfell-gibs/

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Essentially they are giving those people higher quality flats for free - fully furbished. The cost for the government is a humble 150.000$, since they are not on the same level, but somehow I think that the developer is giving them a huge discount.

But that is not enough since a Muslim woman calling into the leftie studio complains that they did not give them the same concierge entry, spa entrance that the ones use who paid 1 to 20 mio. $ for their luxury flats.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/...es-moving/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...04561.html

It is not enough to live in luxury housing. The illiterate noble Muslims must not live in "segregated housing" within a luxury estate:

Quote:The woman, who only identified herself as Jabeen, criticised the deliberate “segregation” of tenants in her development which she said means her children are not allowed to enter the communal garden despite other residents’ dogs being able to make use of the space.

Speaking to LBC’s James O’Brien, she said social housing tenants were forced to enter flats via “poor doors” located next to the bins and had no access to parking or lifts, like the other market-value renters.

She will already get 100.000 pounds per person anyway in damages and payments, now she gets a great new apartment and honestly complains that she won't get an equal one to someone who works a competitive job, saves up and takes a 20 year mortgage?

Of course housing those now in that building lowers instantly the price and the other regular buyers are not amused either:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/...es-moving/

Quote:The City of London Corporation is acquiring the 68 flats for around £10m as part of the response to the tragedy. A spokesman told the Evening Standard: “We are ready to do everything we can to help the victims of the terrible fire at Grenfell Tower.”

Quote:The private flats in the block start at £1.5m, however the apartments that will rehouse the families are part of the 120 affordable homes being built alongside them.

Speaking to The Guardian, one woman said: “We paid a lot of money to live here, and we worked hard for it.

Quote:“Now these people are going to come along, and they won’t even be paying the service charge.”
Another said: "I’m very sad that people have lost their homes, but there are a lot of people here who have bought flats and will now see the values drop.

"It will degrade things. And it opens up a can of worms in the housing market."

So it seems that those flats they get were never on the same par anyway - still I would hate to be one of those who just bought such a place and get an instant drop of my value by 50% because a future Jihadi terror cell has moved right next to me.

And BlackPigeon is right - there were 50 fires in the same time in London, some people lost their homes too, but only this is put forth as a great and worthy cause.

I wonder if the same compassion would have met them if the ones who were impacted were local British folk? My guess is that they would not have gotten even 20% of what those got.

Ah well - always money for diversity, but scorn and anger for the locals.
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They're evacuating a lot of tower blocks by force and they need police to guard them all. So after gutting the police they now have to babysit a bunch of properties from looters and would-be firebugs seeking pay day.

The news is going on about how the residents have been away from their homes for 2 days now! Laugh I'm afraid taking down all of those panels isn't a short job.
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What an epic shit-show this has turned out to be.

That said, I have to wonder how many of those folk living in 1.5 million pound apartments voted to flood the filthy proles with hostile, illiterate muslim immigrants "because those degenerate racists need to get some culture".

Dulce et decorum est.

Going on about how hard they worked to buy those apartments, but I wouldn't be surprised if half or more were sitting on their ass all day in highly paid make-work government jobs.

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They have shut up about the British Standards Institute being responsible for the materials existing in the first place because tests show the material used is absolute shit and is not fire proof, retardant or resistant whatsoever.

This reminds me of my first thread here relating to bars and nightclub fires and the insulation catching fire and the toxic fumes bellowing out knocked people unconcious a lot faster than normal and they died as a result or suffered horrific injuries and physical effects long after the incidents.

Everytime this cheap assed insulation is found as a cause of fires going out of control rapidly it was found they are just insulating material and not fire proof, which it should be.

They initially tried to blame Kingspan who are a major maufacturer of insulation used in new builds throughout the UK. Imagine that, 2 million+ homes with potentially lethal materials.

All materials, how they are used and manufactured are subject to British Standard, European Norm. No way in hell did these materials pass any BS EN test. They were manufactured outside of the UK for sure.
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Yeah, having done a fair bit of training in the field of fire response and having watched a lot of ugly videos on that theme I take my smoke detectors and fire hazards very seriously.

I once caught a half a lung full of burning plastic fumes by surprise and even that small dose nearly knocked me out.

Beyond that, fire is crazy force of nature. It has a remarkable capacity to defy mundane prediction. There are guys that spend their entire lives studying fire safety and they still turn up to their job and scratch their heads at some of the scenes they encounter.

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(06-16-2017 06:09 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  Justice at last!

A otherwise-law abiding and helpful non-Muslim man was sentenced to 3 months in Prison for uploading pictures of a partially covered body to his private facebook. (The judge has a Pakistani surname)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...cture.html

The guy who took the photos is a prick - what right does he have to open body bags and photograph dead people?

Quote:Omega Mwaikambo, 43, was hauled before the courts after posting the distressing picture of the body bag and then close ups of the male victim after opening it on Wednesday morning.

He posted one video and two pictures of the body bag with the man inside and then later five pictures of the victim's face and body after opening it to look inside.

Today at Westminster Magistrates Court he pleaded guilty to two counts of sending by a public communications network an offending, indecent or obscene matter.
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(06-25-2017 08:32 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  The guy who took the photos is a prick - what right does he have to open body bags and photograph dead people?

He is a prick, but 3 whole months is a long time for being an idiot, especially as they might have different death taboos in Tanzania

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Yeah, but he might have had a bunch of prior convictions for photographing corpses, or the judge might have seen that this was an escalation of similar behaviour. Perhaps he'd been previously caught photographing people with sprained ankles before working his way up to photographing people in cancer wards.

I'm just saying. There are sometimes mitigating factors where sentencing is involved.

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Quote:Judge Tanweer Ikram said: 'The dignity of the dead must always be respected'


Blasphemy laws by sharia judge.

Of course he was a dick for doing it, but prison time for what seems to be more of a dumb deed?

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Also - he will still get asylum and welfare paid by Brits for life.

His prospective career as a crime scene photographer did not go so well.

I would personally be more strict against ISIS propaganda vids posted by Muslims, but I guess the dignity of the beheaded dead in Syria is not as relevant.
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