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(08-12-2017 04:33 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Floyd has some good marketers behind him, but I'm not sure that someone who's taken as many hits to the dome as he has is "financially savvy".

There's a real chance that "his" people are in fact gutting him with various shell games and even outright theft.

Trouble with the IRS whereafter "your" financial guys start talking shit like "issues with financial liquidity" should be a fucking yuge red flag.

I for one wouldn't be surprised to see Floyd wake up one day to find himself alone, broke 5 times over and facing a long stint in jail for unpaid taxes.

Yup. What the hell are these illiquid investments that suddenly has his money tied up? Is he investing in real estate nowadays? Hotels? Startup tech company? Doubt it. He's being had.
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This might be just a random internet thought but the fight would be more intriguing if more MMA elements were added to it instead of just a normal boxing match. Say, the fight were to take place in an octagon instead of a ring. It would be cool to hybridize it a bit and create a kind of spectacle not seen before. Both guys are gonna make a killing either way though so good for them.

Floyd will win by decision. Can't see how he'll let Conor corner him to deliver his hardest punches.

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My bet is Floyd by knockout. It will take Floyd a couple rounds to figure Conor out, these first rounds being the only rounds Conor has a lucky shot. After that, Conor will get picked apart. Floyds style will frustrate Conor, and he will become too agressive opening himself up to a barrage of shots by Floyd.
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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
Conor can make some pretty decent money after this fight against Paulie. That beef has stirred up some interest.
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Floyd has never seen moves like this:

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(08-12-2017 08:34 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Rush, not sure where you're getting "Conor is going to change the face of boxing" from "Conor knocked down a retired boxer who admitted to taking a training camp with Conor's team last minute."

This would be like me saying boxing is instantly the best combat sport simply because I am able to find footage of a boxer knocking some Jiujitsu guy to the ground in a sparring match.

That was like a 10-second clip. Anyone can take a 10 second video of some guy going hard on someone else. Just watch any video montage of any fighter. That's what a hype reel is all about. Highlighting their best punches, jukes and dodges in a vacuum. We don't know what happened in the rest of those sparring matches.

All that said, they are selling the fuck out of this fight.

Of course it's hype, but from the get go, this fight has been labelled a joke, and you have 'experts' like Kellerman suggesting Conor "Won't even land a punch". This is the general consensus from the boxing establishment.

What it shows, more than anything else is an unbelievable ignorance towards the sport of MMA. I have boxed since I was 8. I got into MMA at the age of 20. All amateur, all primarily for fun and fitness but I know what goes into a camp for an elite boxer versus an elite MMA fighter.

Growing up I trained out of Kostya Tszyu's gym while he was still competing, and most recently out of James Te Huna's gym in Aus whilst he was still in competition and I say this only to say that the MSM and boxing establishment really have no idea what goes into a typical MMA camp.

The cross over between the two is huge. First and foremost, an elite MMA fighter, especially someone who has been boxing since age 12 [Conor] will be doing around half the amount of pure boxing training that a boxer does [And his total hours of pure boxing training would rival later starters such as Jeff Horn].

On top of this you have secondary disciplines such as: Kick boxing and Muay Thai which also have the same fundamentals as boxing. Yes stance is different, but motor skills all cross over. Finally you have the conditioning. This includes your reflex training, cardio and weights. All very similar if not identical in some cases.

Now, I've never said Conor will change the face of boxing what I've said, is that it takes an outside force to change a sport, and boxing has stagnated for over 30 years.

In no other sport has there been such little evolution, and having been involved in boxing and MMA, I know first hand that it's because the boxing establishment do exactly what they're doing with this fight: They block their ears and pretend their sport is perfect. They can't even entertain the notion that they could learn a thing or two from another sport.

To steal a thought from Henry Ford by way of Robin Black [One of the best combat sports analysts today who I would highly recommend anyone to check out]: "None of our men are 'experts.' We have most unfortunately found it necessary to get rid of a man as soon as he thinks himself an expert because no one ever considers himself expert if he really knows his job. A man who knows a job sees so much more to be done than he has done, that he is always pressing forward and never gives up an instant of thought to how good and how efficient he is. Thinking always ahead, thinking always of trying to do more, brings a state of mind in which nothing is impossible. The moment one gets into the 'expert' state of mind a great number of things become impossible.”

When I say that Conor can redefine boxing, I don't say that he can beat Floyd, in fact in every post I've made, I outline clearly that I think he has a 1% chance, but there are things he does better than boxers:

1.) Technically he throws a better straight left than most southpaw boxers. Period. He has no wasted movement and power through the hips. Due to the way most boxers train - I.E: Like a 5km runner, they tend to use their shoulders to generate a lot of their power. This is inefficient. [See any footage of Robert Guerrero's straight left vs Conor. The difference is night and day].

2.) He doesn't swarm when a fighter's cornered unlike most boxers. When you do so, yes you may land, but you also leave big openings for an opponent to escape. Conor however, has adapted to the octagon where it is harder to cut someone off. As a result, when he corners someone, he maintains distance to keep them cornered and snipers off singular, heavier strikes whilst 'steering' with his right. This is an example of where the boxing consensus on 'what's best' hasn't been challenged.

3.) Clinch work. His clinch work, another crossover area into MMA is better than any boxer. Period. It's not even debatable. There is a lot boxers can learn about head steering [What we just saw with Paulie getting knocked down], time management and weighing on an opponent. Things that would have dramatically helped Maidana for instance [But if you listen to his coach - He's yet another guy who dismisses what MMA has to offer].

There are plenty of other examples, but unfortunately once Floyd wins, which is most likely, this whole fight will be brushed off as a joke and boxing will continue down the same path with zero evolution.
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(08-12-2017 01:03 PM)Repo Wrote:  
(08-12-2017 04:33 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Floyd has some good marketers behind him, but I'm not sure that someone who's taken as many hits to the dome as he has is "financially savvy".

There's a real chance that "his" people are in fact gutting him with various shell games and even outright theft.

Trouble with the IRS whereafter "your" financial guys start talking shit like "issues with financial liquidity" should be a fucking yuge red flag.

I for one wouldn't be surprised to see Floyd wake up one day to find himself alone, broke 5 times over and facing a long stint in jail for unpaid taxes.

Yup. What the hell are these illiquid investments that suddenly has his money tied up? Is he investing in real estate nowadays? Hotels? Startup tech company? Doubt it. He's being had.

That's why I admire Vitali Klitschko more then anybody else in boxing.He Fought his way to the top while simultaneously being smart as shit

unlike Roy Jones having to box and broadcast to pay his taxes into his 40's





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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
I'm going on record with:

McGregor will win this fight

I'm not here to plead my case, just make it known how I view the outcome.

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I think it's quite unlikely McGregor will win simply because he's playing Floyd's game. In a real fight or MMA McGregor would kick his ass, but boxing is a very narrow sport, to the point where I think it's a joke to even consider it a "combat" sport.

I want McGregor to win, though. It would be funny, and as I just suggested, I don't like boxing all that much--mostly because it's wildly overhyped--so I'd be tickled to see an outsider pull off such an upset.
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Lol at boxing not being a combat sport. This thread is almost as frustrating as my facebook is.

McGregor will hardly put a glove on him and Floyd's power will be plenty, especially in smaller gloves, to get the job done early. But anyway let's just wait and see. And fuck technically perfect straight punches, it's about what can land (we could say almost no pro boxers have technically perfect hooks - I mean when do we ever see a perfect amateur weight shifting elbow up to 90 degrees hook in the pros (or the high level amateurs for that matter) - you don't; elbow stays down until it's turned over and most reach with it or it just doesn't land). Pacquiao probably had one of the best straight lefts I've ever seen for a southpaw that came so fast and out of nowhere that even guys like Marquez, who was one of the best at making adjustments I've ever seen, couldn't do a thing about it (and look what Floyd did to Pacquiao).

What people don't seem to get is that Floyd's speed and reflexes, as well as his experience, are absolute leaps and bounds ahead of anything McGregor has ever experienced. People talking about his power meaning that he has a chance have no idea either. It's irrelevant, and I don't think he even has good power compared to heavy hitters in boxing like a Randall Bailey, and who here thinks Randall Bailey would have a chance against Floyd? Come on now.
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^ I feel your pain Kieran. Tempted to not log into Facebook until a week after the fight—due to the morons on there giving opinions they picked up from other sources, which they don't really understand. It's a circus act which Floyd will win with absolute ease.

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I see a lot of guys hating on boxing, particularly guys outside the UK...it's massive here. We have the best heavyweight on the planet, and that's the division that everyone gets excited about—I couldn't care less about the sport dying in the states, it's simply moved home geographically.

The UK is the new 'Mecca' (urgh) of boxing.

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(08-13-2017 04:55 AM)Kieran Wrote:  Lol at boxing not being a combat sport. This thread is almost as frustrating as my facebook is.

McGregor will hardly put a glove on him and Floyd's power will be plenty, especially in smaller gloves, to get the job done early. But anyway let's just wait and see. And fuck technically perfect straight punches, it's about what can land (we could say almost no pro boxers have technically perfect hooks - I mean when do we ever see a perfect amateur weight shifting elbow up to 90 degrees hook in the pros (or the high level amateurs for that matter) - you don't; elbow stays down until it's turned over and most reach with it or it just doesn't land). Pacquiao probably had one of the best straight lefts I've ever seen for a southpaw that came so fast and out of nowhere that even guys like Marquez, who was one of the best at making adjustments I've ever seen, couldn't do a thing about it (and look what Floyd did to Pacquiao).

What people don't seem to get is that Floyd's speed and reflexes, as well as his experience, are absolute leaps and bounds ahead of anything McGregor has ever experienced. People talking about his power meaning that he has a chance have no idea either. It's irrelevant, and I don't think he even has good power compared to heavy hitters in boxing like a Randall Bailey, and who here thinks Randall Bailey would have a chance against Floyd? Come on now.

Nah man, Mcgregor's gonna corner floyd and wait him out and frustrate him. lol

Yeah I think at this point many people are underestimating just how good Mayweather is as a fighter. Not to mention, after 2 years of chilling, I imagine his wrists are feeling good.

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(08-13-2017 08:06 AM)Teedub Wrote:  I see a lot of guys hating on boxing, particularly guys outside the UK...it's massive here. We have the best heavyweight on the planet, and that's the division that everyone gets excited about—I couldn't care less about the sport dying in the states, it's simply moved home geographically.

The UK is the new 'Mecca' (urgh) of boxing.

Agreed. I think people saying boxing is stagnant aren't really watching it or something.

I could rattle off a list of 10+ fighters I really like who are exciting, technical and coming up. How can guys not enjoy Joshua, Wilder, Canelo, GGG, Lomachenko, Thurman, Spence Jr. and others? Say what you will about them, but they're all exciting and give the crowd good fights.

I like MMA as well, but there aren't 10 MMA fighters who I really like who are active right now.

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(08-13-2017 04:55 AM)Kieran Wrote:  Lol at boxing not being a combat sport. This thread is almost as frustrating as my facebook is.

McGregor will hardly put a glove on him and Floyd's power will be plenty, especially in smaller gloves, to get the job done early. But anyway let's just wait and see. And fuck technically perfect straight punches, it's about what can land (we could say almost no pro boxers have technically perfect hooks - I mean when do we ever see a perfect amateur weight shifting elbow up to 90 degrees hook in the pros (or the high level amateurs for that matter) - you don't; elbow stays down until it's turned over and most reach with it or it just doesn't land). Pacquiao probably had one of the best straight lefts I've ever seen for a southpaw that came so fast and out of nowhere that even guys like Marquez, who was one of the best at making adjustments I've ever seen, couldn't do a thing about it (and look what Floyd did to Pacquiao).

What people don't seem to get is that Floyd's speed and reflexes, as well as his experience, are absolute leaps and bounds ahead of anything McGregor has ever experienced. People talking about his power meaning that he has a chance have no idea either. It's irrelevant, and I don't think he even has good power compared to heavy hitters in boxing like a Randall Bailey, and who here thinks Randall Bailey would have a chance against Floyd? Come on now.

Its not just power, the reason I predict a knockout is Conor simply won't see many of Floyds punches coming, and the punches not seen do the most damage.
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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
There's a number of things McGregor can do to nullify Floyds speed.

Trips, clinches,etc..It is EXHAUSTING having a heavier opponent leaning on you throughout a match.

Another thing is boxing is such a gentleman's sport (hence match vs. Fight). There's more you can NOT do than you can do.

I don't think he'll be prepared for the ferocity, and dirtiness an MMA fighter might bring to the ring. We all know Paulie wasnt.
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Those claiming MMA is where the real tough guys are at, and that boxers won't know how to hang with those higher order badasses, should remember that MMA is many orders of magnitude more expensive to get into and train than boxing, and so generally attracts people from more stable and affluent backgrounds. MMA is practically a middle class sport. Throw in the amount of time you spend cuddling during training, and the amount of punishment you have to take as an MMA fighter is hugely less than most amateur boxers endure week in, week out, up and down the country.

Connor is a good fighter, and a tough guy, but anyone who thinks he has this mystical MMA toughness that boxers don't have is dreaming.
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^^There's only so much damage you can inflict with hands.

MMA fighters are used to getting knees, shins, and elbows strikes - and getting thrown to the ground.

No boxer is used to taking that kind of punishment.
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Are any of you guys putting big bets on Mayweather?

I'm not a betting man, but in this instance I think the bookies odds are way out of line compared to the chance of McGreggor beating Mayweather (close to none). If I bet 10k on Mayweather with my local bookie, I will win 2k. I'm highly tempted to place big bet on Mayweather - up to 20k.
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Paulie M. is not Mayweather, though. He's known for being a brawler who has a chin. Mayweather is elusive and evasive. He's not going to play Connor's game.

As far as tripping goes, what is that in the context of boxing? I'm not being facetious, I am just not sure what you guys are referring to since I know that you can't actually do an MMA-style trip on a guy in a professional boxing match.

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(08-13-2017 11:26 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Paulie M. is not Mayweather, though. He's known for being a brawler who has a chin. Mayweather is elusive and evasive. He's not going to play Connor's game.

As far as tripping goes, what is that in the context of boxing? I'm not being facetious, I am just not sure what you guys are referring to since I know that you can't actually do an MMA-style trip on a guy in a professional boxing match.

I will preface by saying I have very low boxing knowledge. Wouldn't the guy who took the least punishment throughout his career (Mayweather) be able to take punches the best?
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(08-13-2017 10:59 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Those claiming MMA is where the real tough guys are at, and that boxers won't know how to hang with those higher order badasses, should remember that MMA is many orders of magnitude more expensive to get into and train than boxing, and so generally attracts people from more stable and affluent backgrounds. MMA is practically a middle class sport. Throw in the amount of time you spend cuddling during training, and the amount of punishment you have to take as an MMA fighter is hugely less than most amateur boxers endure week in, week out, up and down the country.

Connor is a good fighter, and a tough guy, but anyone who thinks he has this mystical MMA toughness that boxers don't have is dreaming.

Boxers can be tough. Floyds just not one of them.

The man's boxing royalty, grew up with a silverspoon, and has danced around the ring for 20 years without ever really being tested.

One good left and he'll be on the floor. Even he knows that. Which is why all the talk about "taking the fight to McGregor and not leaving it to the judges" is bravado.

He's going to do his puriettes, and ballet his way to victory as usual whilst proclaiming what a great "fighter" he is.
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(08-13-2017 11:08 AM)vegasjohnny Wrote:  ^^There's only so much damage you can inflict with hands.

MMA fighters are used to getting knees, shins, and elbows strikes - and getting thrown to the ground.

No boxer is used to taking that kind of punishment.

Okay so if we talk about elbows, knees, etc., do you think McGregor beats Buakaw, Saenchai, or Yodsaenklai in Thai? Don't make me laugh.
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(08-13-2017 01:00 PM)vegasjohnny Wrote:  
(08-13-2017 10:59 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Those claiming MMA is where the real tough guys are at, and that boxers won't know how to hang with those higher order badasses, should remember that MMA is many orders of magnitude more expensive to get into and train than boxing, and so generally attracts people from more stable and affluent backgrounds. MMA is practically a middle class sport. Throw in the amount of time you spend cuddling during training, and the amount of punishment you have to take as an MMA fighter is hugely less than most amateur boxers endure week in, week out, up and down the country.

Connor is a good fighter, and a tough guy, but anyone who thinks he has this mystical MMA toughness that boxers don't have is dreaming.

Boxers can be tough. Floyds just not one of them.

The man's boxing royalty, grew up with a silverspoon, and has danced around the ring for 20 years without ever really being tested.

One good left and he'll be on the floor. Even he knows that. Which is why all the talk about "taking the fight to McGregor and not leaving it to the judges" is bravado.

He's going to do his puriettes, and ballet his way to victory as usual whilst proclaiming what a great "fighter" he is.

Floyd's taken some good shots over time and been in with fighters with a lot more power than McGregor (Castillo and Corrales for example).
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(08-13-2017 01:58 PM)Kieran Wrote:  
(08-13-2017 11:08 AM)vegasjohnny Wrote:  ^^There's only so much damage you can inflict with hands.

MMA fighters are used to getting knees, shins, and elbows strikes - and getting thrown to the ground.

No boxer is used to taking that kind of punishment.

Okay so if we talk about elbows, knees, etc., do you think McGregor beats Buakaw, Saenchai, or Yodsaenklai in Thai? Don't make me laugh.

A Buakaw vs McGregor fight would be something to see. Especially Buakaw in his prime. Good lawd. It would actually be a somewhat respectable matchup but Buakaw would probably still win easily.

It feels like fans are ultimately being cheated out of a good McGregor kickboxing match for the money.
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