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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
Has anyone referenced this movie yet?





But honestly, I mean, we can't say for sure that Connor can't win, right?

I mean, Mayweather might walk out into the ring and suffer an aneurysm or something...
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(07-17-2017 06:44 AM)Jvramerys Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 06:01 AM)Laserspewpew Wrote:  People are actually understating the size issue. McGregor is the biggest guy Mayweather has ever fought. For example Canelo, who many people are comparing in size to McGregor, is four inches short of McGregors reach. McGregor has an eight inch reach advantage over Pacquiao and a ten inch advantage over Hatton. Mayweather will, for one of the first times in his life, go into a fight without a reach advantage, the only time I can remember this before was vs de la Hoya who still has a shorter reach than McGregor. Conor is a big 155er and I don't think he ever had any business fighting at 145, his photos for those weigh ins were a joke. I've only seen him fight at 155 twice (which itself is a disgrace) once for the Cagewarriors title and once for the UFC title, both times he looked absolutely electrifying and unstoppable, getting this fight at 154 was a huge win for Conor. Because we are so familiar with seeing Conor dehydrated half to death at 145 we underrate his athleticism, he is a faster, sharper and stronger fighter at 155. McGregor will go into the fight with a size and athleticism advantage. Given Conor's physicality and experience in combat sport, I don't see him being hopped around the ring like Hatton. Mayweather will play the percentages and win a comfortable decision, if he goes in looking to embarrass McGregor he could take some damage and possibly be KO'd. This is all assuming that Conor was going close to full tilt in boxing training between the Eddie Alvarez fight and this announcement and was doing some boxing training with an eye to this fight since Diaz 2.

You're forgetting Diego Corrales 5 ft 10 1⁄2 in (179 cm) taller than Macgregor. Corrales was a world champion, and had more skills with his hands than MacGregor will ever have in his life, and Corrales was destroyed by Mayweather.





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Ya Conor is not Floyd's tallest opponent, as you said Corrales and also De La Hoya are taller than Conor. McGregor is Mayweather's longest opponent though (with a longer reach than both Corrales and De La Hoya) and what I was arguing was that he is Floyd's all around biggest opponent when you factor in reach, height, the size of his body and his walking around weight.
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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
(07-17-2017 06:55 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Mayweather is tough as teak, anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. He plays up the pretty boy, 'I don't take any punishment, it's all a science' thing, but that little fucker is as hard as a coffin nail.

Also, the myth that MMA is somehow tougher than boxing because it has kicks and elbows needs to be dispelled. Boxers take FAR more punishment both in training and in competition than any MMA fighter does. It's not to say boxers are tougher than MMA fighters necessarily, but to suggest that because CM occasionally eats a knee or an elbow he is somehow familiar with a level of abuse a fairy like FM can only dream of is absurd. FM is tough as old boots, and CM has no hidden MMA advantage that is going to shock FM.


McGregor may have a longer reach, be bigger, etc etc, but it'll all count for nothing. FM's shoulder rolls and positioning will take all of that away from an amateur tier boxer like CM.

Floyd has brittle hands, and no knockouts in a long time, it's true. But this is fighting top tier, much younger, boxers. For a guy like Floyd, CM is just there to be hit, and it will pose a lot fewer problems for his durability. He'll land at will, on the target, without getting too many awkward angles - which are what really fuck up your hands.

Personally I don't see this going past 6 rounds. Floyd would still KO most fighters below world level through cumulative punishment. CM is a LONG way below world level as a boxer.

The main difference in toughness between boxing and MMA is that you simply do not become a pro-boxer without being genetically able to get hit in the face and not pass out.

There's been a few like that in MMA, Big Nog, Fedor, Mark Hunt, but they're the minority.

What counts for McGregor is that Mayweather is older and might not take punishment like he did before. Fedor went 10 years practically never knocked out and now he gets knocked out by pretty much anyone.
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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
(07-17-2017 07:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  Conor should lose 99.9% of the time, but he's not as much of a boxing novice as the mainstream sports media are playing up. He started boxing at age 12. Six years before he began training MMA. In contrast, Jeff Horn and Anthony Joshua started boxing in their late teens.

Despite the fact that Conor wouldn't have been putting in the same boxing hours as a Mixed Martial Artist, he would still be doing at least an hour daily. Without factoring in any cross over skills from his other stand-up disciplines, Conor would have a similar amount of pure boxing hours as a Jeff Horn or Anthony Joshua.

As I said, he should lose, but the 0-0 boxing record is less relevant than the MSM play up.

I think you guys are too lentient with his boxing acumen. As good as Anthony Joshua?

Huh

Watch Anthony Joshua taking on Klisctzcho or sparring and then watch Mcgregor sparring and tell me that you think Mcgregor is in the same league. NO way. To get to the level of Joshua you need to be training against guys near the level of klitscho for years. I don't think Mcgregor's been training at that level of boxing. I just don't see it.

Mcgregor is flat-footed and twitchy in a way that only a non-boxer is in the ring. Guys like Joshua, Pacquio and Mayweather are so much more fluid since their only job is to move and punch.

You guys are giving McGregor way too much credit. I get it, He's cool, but he's not a world-class boxer on the level of Joshua, Canelo or Mayweather.

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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
(07-17-2017 08:56 AM)Fortis Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 07:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  Conor should lose 99.9% of the time, but he's not as much of a boxing novice as the mainstream sports media are playing up. He started boxing at age 12. Six years before he began training MMA. In contrast, Jeff Horn and Anthony Joshua started boxing in their late teens.

Despite the fact that Conor wouldn't have been putting in the same boxing hours as a Mixed Martial Artist, he would still be doing at least an hour daily. Without factoring in any cross over skills from his other stand-up disciplines, Conor would have a similar amount of pure boxing hours as a Jeff Horn or Anthony Joshua.

As I said, he should lose, but the 0-0 boxing record is less relevant than the MSM play up.

I think you guys are too lentient with his boxing acumen. As good as Anthony Joshua?

Huh

Watch Anthony Joshua taking on Klisctzcho or sparring and then watch Mcgregor sparring and tell me that you think Mcgregor is in the same league. NO way. To get to the level of Joshua you need to be training against guys near the level of klitscho for years. I don't think Mcgregor's been training at that level of boxing. I just don't see it.

Mcgregor is flat-footed and twitchy in a way that only a non-boxer is in the ring. Guys like Joshua, Pacquio and Mayweather are so much more fluid since their only job is to move and punch.

You guys are giving McGregor way too much credit. I get it, He's cool, but he's not a world-class boxer on the level of Joshua, Canelo or Mayweather.

As good as? No. Who said that? He has similar years of experience. The point being that the boxing establishment, and mainstream sports are playing this up as the worlds biggest mismatch when it's anything but.

Floyd wins 99% of the time, but the reason why this will sell PPV's is that there is just enough 'plausibility' that Conor can do something. Will he? No, probably not, but there's a pathway to victory for Conor if the stars align.

The other issue with most mainstream sports media is that there is a total ignorance to the sport of MMA, to the point where they lead the viewer to believe the sports of boxing and MMA are like chalk and cheese [Most still think of UFC 1]. There's considerable cross-over.
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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
(07-17-2017 09:04 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  *snip*

All good. I misread you there. I don't think they're selling plausibility, they're selling mouthiness on the part of both fighters. They're both consummate trash talkers and they talked their way into 9 figures just now.

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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
(07-17-2017 06:01 AM)Laserspewpew Wrote:  Ya Conor is not Floyd's tallest opponent, as you said Corrales and also De La Hoya are taller than Conor. McGregor is Mayweather's longest opponent though (with a longer reach than both Corrales and De La Hoya) and what I was arguing was that he is Floyd's all around biggest opponent when you factor in reach, height, the size of his body and his walking around weight.

It's 1 inch though. McGregor wide karate instance, won't be enough to keep distance what he gonna do? Jump back to keep distance? That won't work. He can use jab, but his jabs are aren't that great even by mma standards.

His physical strenght might make a difference in the clinch, but Floyd is great in that department.

His naked lefts won't touch Floyd face, it might work against mma fighters but not with world level boxers.

He doesn't have great head movements, he's way slower than Floyd, and his cardio sucks.
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(06-15-2017 09:55 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  I'm a huge UFC fan, been watching it for decades, love Conor's trash-talking, the guy really gets how to sell a big fight better than anyone in the world, and he may be one of the best LWs ever at MMA....but no way can Conor be expected to win this.

This fight reminds me of that movie The Great White Hype, Floyd could probably come to the ring looking like Damon Wayans and still win.

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(07-17-2017 08:10 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Has anyone referenced this movie yet?





But honestly, I mean, we can't say for sure that Connor can't win, right?

I mean, Mayweather might walk out into the ring and suffer an aneurysm or something...

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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
I have £15,000 on Mayweather at 1/5 odds. Odds should be 1/20 minimum for me.
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(07-17-2017 09:26 AM)ProGambler Wrote:  I have £15,000 on Mayweather at 1/5 odds. Odds should be 1/20 minimum for me.

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Sexism. McGregor is stealing Rousey's fight.

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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
I've never gambled in my life but if I were to gamble this is the fight to do it.

McGregor could look reasonable against average pro boxers.

Hes going up against the best boxer though.

In sports it's like comparing Sydney Crosby to John Scott.

Or Lebron James verse an average D1 basketball player.

The level of difference in skill is just too much. Sure he could catch an exceptionally lucky break like if her were to take 3 or 4 brutal punches up close to take a big swing at Floyd. I just don't see how anything outside of a miracle wins McGregor this fight. 49 other (almost all if not all) who were better boxers than McGregor have tried. None have been successful.

The odds should be more like -5000 than -500. I'm honestly tempted to put $20,000 on this fight and I've never sports bet or bought a lottery ticket in my life aside from 2 or 3 pro line tickets.
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(07-17-2017 09:26 AM)ProGambler Wrote:  I have £15,000 on Mayweather at 1/5 odds. Odds should be 1/20 minimum for me.

Do you mean the odds are likely going to get better, or...
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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
Rumour I came across earlier is that Bam Bam Rios KO'd McGregor in sparring recently. That's coming from Jesse Vargas. I'm surprised McGregor's team would have picked such an appalling sparring partner (since his style is very different from Floyd's, and he is a notoriously big puncher), but who knows what's going on. Either way, if you're getting knocked out cold in 16oz gloves by Rios, then it's going to be a very long night against Floyd with 10oz gloves on.
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Where are all McGregor fans? Did you already jump on the Mayweather bandwagon?
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@lavidaloca

I'm with brother.

https://sports.paddypower.mobi/#sport/15...t/12418948

I'm thinking of doing Mayweather RD 1-6 at 9/4 odds

$2,0000 bet = $6,500


Maybe do some $100-300 individual round bets

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Round 4 at 12-1 odds
Round 5 at 12-1 odds
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Good luck to you all
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These odds are silly if anyone thinks conor can win. Conor is not a boxer. Floyd is one of the best ever. Sean mannion is my favorite Irish boxer and he does not compare to floyd. Seems like guaranteed money. I know it could be a
dodgy fight but Floyd has too much ego to lose that perfect record.
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Mcgregor could pull out some MMA feints like a fake leg kick into a superman punch to get Floyd surprised or a downward elbow fake into a hook. Could work, I don't think there any rules against that. Other than that I doubt he has any chance of winning. Would be fucking hilarious though if he pulled stunts like that.
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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
Could some of the fighting experts here chime in at all (TravelerKai, kinjutsu, et al) --
is it reasonably possible that Conor and his coach could train to last the 12 rounds and not get embarrassed? Basically pull a Rocky and strategize to just go the distance.

I mean, that would be HUGE. Maybe not to the casual fan, but I would be pretty impressed by that.

Is that any more likely than Conor pulling off the magical 0.001% KO? Or equally stupid?
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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
Considering McGregor has only gone the 5 round distance in the UFC once, I think it's going to be pretty tough for him to go 12 rounds. He did 5, 5min rounds in the Nate Diaz rematch and won the decision... but 12, 3min rounds is a whole different animal to tackle. Other than a 3 round decision vs Max Holloway, EVERY other fight he's had has been over in 2 rounds or less. His average fight time is probably around 7-8 minutes.

I would expect Conor to come out like a house on fire in the first couple rounds, and if/when Floyd survives the initial barrage and avoids getting hit flush like he's so good at, Conor will start to wear out. Then by mid fight when Conor has slowed down, Floyd can go to the body and start to wear down Conor and really test his cardio. Like you say, IF he can last 12 rounds that would be HUGE, but I think an early "magical" KO would be likelier than Conor going 12. The Over/under is at 9.5 rounds so it's tricky, as Floyd is usually a 12 round fighter, but its definitely crazy to expect a 1st time boxer to go the distance vs an all time great.
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I have a feeling this is what will happen :
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-McGregor asks in the post-fight interview "Floyd, I had the balls to fight you in the ring, do you have the balls to fight me in the octagon?"
-Floyd agrees and both fighters make another 100 million to fight in the octagon
-Floyd loses in the octagon, UFC fans are happy
-Mayweather has enough money for another 2-3 years, then will come back of retirement for the 3rd time, or goes back to jail for beating up women Whip
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Anyone who thinks McGregor has a chance is kidding themselves.

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(06-15-2017 11:37 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Look at how slow Mcgregor is:









This is Psy Ops.

McGregor and his team would know that looks like a bag of shit.

They're hoping someone gets lured into underestimating.

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(07-20-2017 06:58 AM)Thoroughbred Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 11:37 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Look at how slow Mcgregor is:









This is Psy Ops.

McGregor and his team would know that looks like a bag of shit.

They're hoping someone gets lured into underestimating.

I doubt that.

The truth is though that training is one thing, and plenty of good fighters look average in training, but can turn it on in the ring, and plenty of guys can be bag champions, but go to shit when leather starts flying. All training footage should be taken with a pinch of salt.

That said, there are certain telltale signs that McGregor will be slaughtered. The biggest one to me, which can't be disguised, is that McGregor doesn't move well enough; as a consequence the punches don't flow from his movement, and because of that his control of range is off too.
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RE: Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor is August 26th 2017
Robin Black gives an interesting take on the fight, and there are certain intangibles with McGregor, that while he should lose this fight, he isn't without a decent shot.





The interesting thing that Robin Black says, and he's right, is that specialisation, after a certain period of time can get bloated and you can have guys training years without any outside force causing change.

Conor's one intangible in this fight is that he's an outside force, and there is at least in a theoretical sense, merit to the attributes he is bringing to the fight outside of age, size and length.

If I was to pick what Conor will look like in the ring (Not in ability but style) - It will be an exaggerated version of Kostya Tszyu. He 'almost' boxes like an MMA fighter in both distance control and shot selection.

He snipes from the outside alot like Conor, packs big power and has a much wider stance than your typical boxer.

If you watch Kostya versus Judah and listen to the commentary: It's a perfect example of what Robin Black was talking about. A bloated elite which define 'what is good' based on rigid criteria, and the result is that they miss basic things that were staring them in the face all along.



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