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College or Business/Dropout?
Hey guys I'm here to find like minded people on this forum.

I'm very confused atm because I don't know what to do with my life..

I've started studying computer science in college but I've realized I don't like programming..in my free time I study many books about marketing, sales and digital marketing-Seo..

Is there any of you that has been in this situation ? In this case should I change my major from computer science to economics for example or better to dropout and start a business or learn a trade skills like plumber/electrician ?

In my life I just want to make good money and travel the world.
Thanks for your time.
06-17-2017 11:40 AM
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It isn't the education that determines your future earning capabilities...it's the skills you learn (or don't learn) and their market value as you go through life. Most college majors won't specifically teach you skills, although a few (like computer programming) do. Economics at an undergraduate level is largely theoretical and hardly worth pursuing (if you want a job some day) unless (a) it includes skill building courses (that are demonstrated to led to real income upon graduation) or (b) you want to continue through to graduate study, in which you also better be learning something for which there is strong demand.

It's hard to earn money creating a business if you don't (a) have start up capital and (b) have experience/skills/knowledge that give you an edge that others do not have (because otherwise, people can simply copy your business and force you to compete on price).

There's also no shame in being a plumber or electrician.

This real comes down to what type of lifestyle you'd like to have in the future. For me, the trades would never cut it, because I like to live in third world countries and there's obviously no money in that for me in the third world.

My undergraduate degree, on the other hand, was also a huge waste of time (in terms of helping me earn income) and my current ability to earn money is based on skills I taught myself (as well as my reliability and professionalism).

"I'm guilty of this and have actually went really deep and revealed my deepest darkest dark triad type thoughts to a girl before."

"I had this weird realization that my game may have been so tight that the chick stole my phone to get my number without her boyfriend knowing...."

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06-17-2017 11:59 AM
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(06-17-2017 11:59 AM)Suits Wrote:  It isn't the education that determines your future earning capabilities...it's the skills you learn (or don't learn) and their market value as you go through life. Most college majors won't specifically teach you skills, although a few (like computer programming) do. Economics at an undergraduate level is largely theoretical and hardly worth pursuing (if you want a job some day) unless (a) it includes skill building courses (that are demonstrated to led to real income upon graduation) or (b) you want to continue through to graduate study, in which you also better be learning something for which there is strong demand.

It's hard to earn money creating a business if you don't (a) have start up capital and (b) have experience/skills/knowledge that give you an edge that others do not have (because otherwise, people can simply copy your business and force you to compete on price).

There's also no shame in being a plumber or electrician.

This real comes down to what type of lifestyle you'd like to have in the future. For me, the trades would never cut it, because I like to live in third world countries and there's obviously no money in that for me in the third world.

My undergraduate degree, on the other hand, was also a huge waste of time (in terms of helping me earn income) and my current ability to earn money is based on skills I taught myself (as well as my reliability and professionalism).


Thanks! Well the lifestyle I'd like to have in future is to be able to make money (digital nomad style) while travelling the world.

I value more my time than money. Well money is important because it can buy time but tim cannot go back.

Do you think also being a plumber/electrician could help me for travelling around the world ?
06-17-2017 01:27 PM
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Quote:Is there any of you that has been in this situation ? In this case should I change my major from computer science to economics for example or better to dropout and start a business or learn a trade skills like plumber/electrician?

DROPOUT NOW. Especially if you are accumulating student loan debt...
I wish I would have dropped out earlier.

It is good that you tried something and found it was not for you
Keep doing this.

Quote:in my free time I study many books about marketing, sales and digital marketing-Seo...

This is great I do this too...and have attended live multi-day events.

However, what has lead me to my impending digital income came from my past real-world experiences that I can market online to a receptive market.

Quote:Do you think also being a plumber/electrician could help me for traveling around the world ?


As Suits wisely stated before...being a plumber/electrician outside of your home country where the wages are too low is futile.

However, I suppose you could work in these fields for 6-8 months a year and travel the rest of the year.

This article has a good perspective about that kind of thing...

http://www.mylatinlife.com/blog/2017/6/7...a-bad-idea

Keep searching...don't get deep into debt.

It may take a while to detox your mind from Government School.

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06-18-2017 01:34 AM
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(06-18-2017 01:34 AM)buja Wrote:  
Quote:Do you think also being a plumber/electrician could help me for traveling around the world ?

As Suits wisely stated before...being a plumber/electrician outside of your home country where the wages are too low is futile.

Being a plumber and electrician can mean one of three things.

(a) You work for someone else or a company. They won't appreciate you taking long vacations and will drop you in exchange for someone who doesn't disappear 4 months out of the year.

(b) You work for yourself. This isn't the same as having a business (as a wealth generating machine), but you'll obviously have more control freedom. However, you'll lose out on repeat business when people discover that you frequently in the country at all when they need you most.

© You run a small business with you as the ticket holding electricians and have less qualified people to work under your supervision (for less hourly income than you bill the client, which they are willing to do, because they have to get a certain number of hours experience before they can get a higher level of certification) and you end up earning more than if you worked independently. You still can't disappear to other countries to travel because your employees can't work without your supervision and anyone you hired to manage in your place would have the skills and qualification to cut you out altogether and just run their own identical company.

Long story short, the trades are not a ticket to freedom.

"I'm guilty of this and have actually went really deep and revealed my deepest darkest dark triad type thoughts to a girl before."

"I had this weird realization that my game may have been so tight that the chick stole my phone to get my number without her boyfriend knowing...."

-SteezeySteve, elite forum super-player and dark triad lord
06-18-2017 03:43 AM
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(06-17-2017 11:59 AM)Suits Wrote:  My undergraduate degree, on the other hand, was also a huge waste of time (in terms of helping me earn income) and my current ability to earn money is based on skills I taught myself (as well as my reliability and professionalism).

Suits, how would you then get a work permit (Z visa) for China, if you didn't get a degree?

I am a college dropout, have Chinese girlfriend that I will probably marry next year, and being able to legally make money in China is one of my main worries right now.
06-18-2017 10:03 AM
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(06-18-2017 10:03 AM)micky Wrote:  
(06-17-2017 11:59 AM)Suits Wrote:  My undergraduate degree, on the other hand, was also a huge waste of time (in terms of helping me earn income) and my current ability to earn money is based on skills I taught myself (as well as my reliability and professionalism).

Suits, how would you then get a work permit (Z visa) for China, if you didn't get a degree?

I am a college dropout, have Chinese girlfriend that I will probably marry next year, and being able to legally make money in China is one of my main worries right now.

Who said anything about legally?

"I'm guilty of this and have actually went really deep and revealed my deepest darkest dark triad type thoughts to a girl before."

"I had this weird realization that my game may have been so tight that the chick stole my phone to get my number without her boyfriend knowing...."

-SteezeySteve, elite forum super-player and dark triad lord
06-18-2017 10:15 AM
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mrgreen OK.
we may be going off-topic, but what are my options after getting Q1 temporary residence? WFOE, getting paid through EU llc, or..?
06-18-2017 10:49 AM
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Just work under the table like everyone else.

No, you're not going to launch a WFOE. No, you're not going to start your own language school. No, there are no clever work-arounds that would allow you to work in China legally without doing it entirely on their terms.

"I'm guilty of this and have actually went really deep and revealed my deepest darkest dark triad type thoughts to a girl before."

"I had this weird realization that my game may have been so tight that the chick stole my phone to get my number without her boyfriend knowing...."

-SteezeySteve, elite forum super-player and dark triad lord
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How can you use your plumbing skills to travel the world? Other than fixing people's stuff while you travel, they won't. And if you do that, your vacay won't be as enjoyable.

All I can say is this, don't put these type of decisions on the hands of strangers on an online forum. As much as the forum likes to say "fuck a 9-5, do you own thing", are usually people that don't know what they want to do or are pissed at life.

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RE: College or Business/Dropout?
If you are accumulating a lot of debt, then I would drop out and find a retail/landscaping job. Then you can work and also create an online business in your spare time.
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