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Calling all Artists!

Being creative is valuable currency in today's world. You cannot live the life of your dreams if you are not creative.
Friends of mine have blown up and are working full time as Artists in the respective fields.
I'm wondering what projects you guys got going to keep creative and mossy.

What are your artistic/creative dreams? What are you not seeing in the world that you would like to see?

There is a huge frustration between artists and money. But, I think the hardest is knowing where to start. So this thread can be that.
I don't care if it is just me. I invite you guys to join in and share what your aspirations and realities in finding your passion.

Everyone is focused on lifting and girls. But without a creative and imaginative life, you cannot reach your intended Zenith.

Whether it be music, writing/blogging, film, painting, fashion, photography, even dancing and poems. What are you guys up to? Post what you got. What you wanna do. I got connections, you got connections...

The purpose of this thread is to keep motivated to exercise that creative muscle. Even if you have to dream a bit. There will be no haters. This is a place to share and steal ideas for the betterment of your Creative Aspirations.

I'm 29, got my professional start in independent and major motion picture film and web series at 23. At 19, I broke into the Film Lab at my university to shoot a feature that failed so I edited it down into a pretty successful short.
I used to work in Vancouver. But, now I'm based in Calgary where I beginning a whole multi-media project. I'll post on here, to share updates on progress.

For people who are just starting. I have got some inquiries on books and blogs to get started. I'll post all of them that I know of in due time.

One book I am reading is titled, "Real Artists Don't Starve" by Jeff Goins
"The Artist's Way" by Julia Cameron is a must.
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Are you a cinematographer? I am into cinematography right now. I started just on my own about 2 years ago. I was into pictures for little bit and realized everybody was doing the same thing with their dslr these days. Pictures seemed boring to me too so I ditched my dslr and I just shoot film now.
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I played guitar for nearly a decade and left that behind to revive my interest in writing. Writing is something I've always done and something I have never truly left behind.

Currently putting the finishing touches on a book. The book is an info product but took a lot of my creative load to finish.

I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
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(07-14-2017 12:21 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I played guitar for nearly a decade and left that behind to revive my interest in writing. Writing is something I've always done and something I have never truly left behind.

Currently putting the finishing touches on a book. The book is an info product but took a lot of my creative load to finish.

I would read a book from you about Black Culture in China. Even a blog.
Info Products need to be mated with Blogs.
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(07-13-2017 11:48 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  Are you a cinematographer? I am into cinematography right now. I started just on my own about 2 years ago. I was into pictures for little bit and realized everybody was doing the same thing with their dslr these days. Pictures seemed boring to me too so I ditched my dslr and I just shoot film now.

That's where I specialized in. But the Golden Rule in Movies is to take any job to get you in the door. So I got 'lucky' and got my start in Visual Effects.

You're better off shooting film for artistic purposes rather than commercial projects that demand DSLR like Weddings and shit.

Imho, I don't think you'll ever get the film look with digital. You'll be much more distinguishable shooting film than the local boob who points and clicks with his cell phone.

You're more likely to find a good Master to study under learning Film rather than DSLR. Once you know Film inside and out. DSLR is a cinch.
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I've been interested in illustration lately, but don't have the focus to work on it as much as I would like. I try to practice when I have downtime at work by sketching on scrap papers. I'd like to learn more about grayscale painting. Than eventually relearn color theory.
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(07-13-2017 08:58 AM)crdr Wrote:  You cannot live the life of your dreams if you are not creative.
I second that, sounds like a truism but it may very well be THE most absolute truth.

(07-13-2017 08:58 AM)crdr Wrote:  Everyone is focused on lifting and girls.
These ^^ and art are not opposites, you can very well have all (see Hollywood stars).

Anyway, aspiring illustrator here, published a couple of stories , on hiatus now due to Real Life Issues (work etc). Also directed a student film which got stuck in development hell, so hats off for your break in the movie industry.
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(07-14-2017 01:33 PM)Splord Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 08:58 AM)crdr Wrote:  You cannot live the life of your dreams if you are not creative.
I second that, sounds like a truism but it may very well be THE most absolute truth.

(07-13-2017 08:58 AM)crdr Wrote:  Everyone is focused on lifting and girls.
These ^^ and art are not opposites, you can very well have all (see Hollywood stars).

Anyway, aspiring illustrator here, published a couple of stories , on hiatus now due to Real Life Issues (work etc). Also directed a student film which got stuck in development hell, so hats off for your break in the movie industry.

True. I hit the weights regularly. That's where I actually get the creative juices flowing.

You should use your Real Life issues into your material. That's usually the best source for inspiration. I'm getting the deal that most people are consumed by work.
C'mon! You can take an hour out of your day to get some good work in. That's all it takes! Get a little website up... This thread is here for Creative Rehab.
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(07-14-2017 04:16 AM)crdr Wrote:  You're better off shooting film for artistic purposes rather than commercial projects that demand DSLR like Weddings and shit.

Imho, I don't think you'll ever get the film look with digital. You'll be much more distinguishable shooting film than the local boob who points and clicks with his cell phone.

This is applicable to those who have some other form of income. Commercial projects, as in projects that a client is willing to part money with are those that pay the bills and enable one to make a living from their creativity.

One can make a philosophical argument of film’s superior aesthetics to digital video, however shooting on film remains a luxury to those at the very top of the industry, the older generation of directors and cinematographers.
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(07-14-2017 04:46 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 04:16 AM)crdr Wrote:  You're better off shooting film for artistic purposes rather than commercial projects that demand DSLR like Weddings and shit.

Imho, I don't think you'll ever get the film look with digital. You'll be much more distinguishable shooting film than the local boob who points and clicks with his cell phone.

This is applicable to those who have some other form of income. Commercial projects, as in projects that a client is willing to part money with are those that pay the bills and enable one to make a living from their creativity.

One can make a philosophical argument of film’s superior aesthetics to digital video, however shooting on film remains a luxury to those at the very top of the industry, the older generation of directors and cinematographers.

I think hes talking photographic film. Not Academy 35mm. Which I whole heartedly agree. Working consistently in the film industry as a whole is a 'luxury'. Hollywood is shit and will ultimately eat your soul. But that's just my opinion working in the machine for a bit.
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I thought this segment from ol mate resident intellect here on the forum Jordan Peterson to be very insightful regarding creativity.

Particularly his notion of creativity being a burden. You can't 'not choose' to be creative if that is who you are in the depths of your being. I mean, you can suppress it - but it's still there and you will suffer to the extent that you do so. At the same time, few people can monetize their creativity (to the exclusion of all else) successfully. He talks about finding that balance with your day job and creative endeavours.

I particularly also liked the median is zero meaning most people - the vast majority of people - generally speaking have no creative impulse at all. I hadn't considered that in such clarity as JP illustrates here - but certainly upon reflection in my own life experience that is most definitely the case.

I highly recommend you all take a look.



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Cinematography is the only serious art involved in cinema, and the cinematographer the most important person on set. Writing comes a distant second. Actors are chimps. A smart director surrounds himself with a sharp cinematographer, a competent writer (sometimes himself), an obsessive chimp, and a few docile/trained chimps.

Read everything you can get your hands on by Vittorio Storaro, Nestor Almendros, Conrad Hall, and Gordon Willis.

Most artists are lazy cunts, and think an audience is owed to them. 0.1% of them are poetic visionaries who feed our souls and help separate us from the other animals.

I also recommend reading Sculpting In Time by Andrei Tarkovsky.
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yeah I am too late to work industry and I am not passionate enough to do this as a living.
If I were young, I would work in a movie set or intern for someone as a slave for couple years instead of going to film school though (you are still useless after graduation but)

I am just into Cinematic style. I use bmpcc and bmcc. Maybe I will get ursa mini for paid projects but those two are enough for unpaid collab shoots I am doing right now.


DSLR would be better for shooting events since average customers don't care about cinematic looks and those auto focus and all other automatic functions will come in handy.
If I get into shooting weddings and stuff as a side gig, I would probably get gh4/5 or sony a7 series.

Btw, I don't have that much respect for photographers. (one of the reason is that technology made kids jumping into photography and they flooded instagram with that hipster look)
But I have a huge respect for cinematographers since it's very hard to shoot moving subjects right.
they say photography is 1/100 second of art. You need 3 seconds of good footage to use it for film. That's 300 times more than a photo.





(07-14-2017 04:16 AM)crdr Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 11:48 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  Are you a cinematographer? I am into cinematography right now. I started just on my own about 2 years ago. I was into pictures for little bit and realized everybody was doing the same thing with their dslr these days. Pictures seemed boring to me too so I ditched my dslr and I just shoot film now.

That's where I specialized in. But the Golden Rule in Movies is to take any job to get you in the door. So I got 'lucky' and got my start in Visual Effects.

You're better off shooting film for artistic purposes rather than commercial projects that demand DSLR like Weddings and shit.

Imho, I don't think you'll ever get the film look with digital. You'll be much more distinguishable shooting film than the local boob who points and clicks with his cell phone.

You're more likely to find a good Master to study under learning Film rather than DSLR. Once you know Film inside and out. DSLR is a cinch.
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Many professional photographers I meet complain about how the age of instagram and smart phones are ruining the art of photography. I have similar opinions about youtube, the DSLR revolution, and the rise of vlogging in regards to cinematography. For decades there was a significant barrier to entry and a steep learning curve.
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(07-13-2017 08:58 AM)crdr Wrote:  Calling all Artists!

Being creative is valuable currency in today's world. You cannot live the life of your dreams if you are not creative.
Friends of mine have blown up and are working full time as Artists in the respective fields.
I'm wondering what projects you guys got going to keep creative and mossy.

What are your artistic/creative dreams? What are you not seeing in the world that you would like to see?

There is a huge frustration between artists and money. But, I think the hardest is knowing where to start. So this thread can be that.
I don't care if it is just me. I invite you guys to join in and share what your aspirations and realities in finding your passion.

Everyone is focused on lifting and girls. But without a creative and imaginative life, you cannot reach your intended Zenith.

Whether it be music, writing/blogging, film, painting, fashion, photography, even dancing and poems. What are you guys up to? Post what you got. What you wanna do. I got connections, you got connections...

The purpose of this thread is to keep motivated to exercise that creative muscle. Even if you have to dream a bit. There will be no haters. This is a place to share and steal ideas for the betterment of your Creative Aspirations.

I run a youtube channel and create covers of music videos I like - since a few years ago I started using Premiere Pro and After Effects with my DSLR. @crudeloyalist^ if that just triggered you I will say I absolutely agree with what you just said - the learning curve I've personally gone through, while reasonable, is absolutely doable for almost anyone with a reasonable commitment to understand. And there's that many tutorials on how to use these programs on youtube. So why should I "study" digital media or photography for that matter? I can just go and learn the basics on youtube. To that extent, I'm sure it cheapens it in some way - because I'm also sure there's many paid professionals that use these programs on a daily basis and know far more than I ever will.

Having said that I consider myself a reasonable amateur pianist - and things like youtube now provide a pretty decent platform to showcase repertoire (even just as a personal digital portfolio if nothing else). At the moment I have about 550 subscribers and trying to hone out a niche in progressive rock music (pretty small niche as it is) cause I love this music. What the actual end game of what I'm doing with it I haven't defined yet - and I'm not sure there needs to be one? I would like to get casual gigs in bars or hotels at some point - but where exactly I want to settle in the world long term I'm yet to define. But in the meantime I do really enjoy that creative process all the way from learning the songs > producing > editing > uploading to YT and then of course getting the feedback.

I'm still pretty interested in classical piano and want to take that further as well. Mostly for personal enjoyment though. I did commence a Bachelor of Music at University some years ago but realised the commitment of that (becoming a concert pianist) vs. any monetary rewards was far too steep - and thought I better find a decent day job first (good decision retrospectively). Plus, anyone with half a clue about that world knows how young kids start these days and the elitist competitive nature of it.

Anyway, good thread OP. RVF is lacking something like this Thumb up
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(07-15-2017 12:53 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  Cinematography is the only serious art involved in cinema, and the cinematographer the most important person on set. Writing comes a distant second. Actors are chimps. A smart director surrounds himself with a sharp cinematographer, a competent writer (sometimes himself), an obsessive chimp, and a few docile/trained chimps.

Read everything you can get your hands on by Vittorio Storaro, Nestor Almendros, Conrad Hall, and Gordon Willis.

Most artists are lazy cunts, and think an audience is owed to them. 0.1% of them are poetic visionaries who feed our souls and help separate us from the other animals.

I also recommend reading Sculpting In Time by Andrei Tarkovsky.

Don't forget to add Roger Deakins (Any Coen Brothers Movie) and Emmanuel Lubezki(Children of Men) to the list. These two are the best DPs in the game right now.
In visual effects, Douglas Trumbull (2001: A Space Odyssey) is a great guy to study and steal from.

American Cinematographer Publications such as the Magazine whenever a good movie comes out and the Handbook are very good supplements.

Ridiculously great advice. Too bad Vittorio Storaro's (Apocalypse Now) book Writing With Light is very expensive for the beginner.

There is a book that Nestor recommends. Which I second called: Bare Bones Camera and Video course by Tom Schroeppel

Also, there's a Cinematography school by an actual ASC member Shane Hurlbut. You may know him from the guy who got yelled at by Christian Bale in that meltdown on set of Terminator Salvation

Deakins is on the Bladerunner 2049 Project with his main man Denis Villeneuve from Canada.



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Here's some of my early work. My first gigs were on Music Videos:









Benga




This was a short I shot in for school





Here's a documentary styled video I shot with my iPhone when I got arrested for not ordering a coffee in Vancouver:



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(07-15-2017 10:08 AM)crdr Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 12:53 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  Cinematography is the only serious art involved in cinema, and the cinematographer the most important person on set. Writing comes a distant second. Actors are chimps. A smart director surrounds himself with a sharp cinematographer, a competent writer (sometimes himself), an obsessive chimp, and a few docile/trained chimps.

Read everything you can get your hands on by Vittorio Storaro, Nestor Almendros, Conrad Hall, and Gordon Willis.

Most artists are lazy cunts, and think an audience is owed to them. 0.1% of them are poetic visionaries who feed our souls and help separate us from the other animals.

I also recommend reading Sculpting In Time by Andrei Tarkovsky.

Don't forget to add Roger Deakins (Any Coen Brothers Movie) and Emmanuel Lubezki(Children of Men) to the list. These two are the best DPs in the game right now.
In visual effects, Douglas Trumbull (2001: A Space Odyssey) is a great guy to study and steal from.

American Cinematographer Publications such as the Magazine whenever a good movie comes out and the Handbook are very good supplements.

Ridiculously great advice. Too bad Vittorio Storaro's (Apocalypse Now) book Writing With Light is very expensive for the beginner.

There is a book that Nestor recommends. Which I second called: Bare Bones Camera and Video course by Tom Schroeppel

Also, there's a Cinematography school by an actual ASC member Shane Hurlbut. You may know him from the guy who got yelled at by Christian Bale in that meltdown on set of Terminator Salvation

I love that audio.

Anyway, crdr, if you haven't heard of him, check out Oleg Mutu. He shot The Death Of Mr Lazarescu and my favorite movie of the last decade My Joy.
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(07-15-2017 02:35 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 10:08 AM)crdr Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 12:53 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  Cinematography is the only serious art involved in cinema, and the cinematographer the most important person on set. Writing comes a distant second. Actors are chimps. A smart director surrounds himself with a sharp cinematographer, a competent writer (sometimes himself), an obsessive chimp, and a few docile/trained chimps.

Read everything you can get your hands on by Vittorio Storaro, Nestor Almendros, Conrad Hall, and Gordon Willis.

Most artists are lazy cunts, and think an audience is owed to them. 0.1% of them are poetic visionaries who feed our souls and help separate us from the other animals.

I also recommend reading Sculpting In Time by Andrei Tarkovsky.

Don't forget to add Roger Deakins (Any Coen Brothers Movie) and Emmanuel Lubezki(Children of Men) to the list. These two are the best DPs in the game right now.
In visual effects, Douglas Trumbull (2001: A Space Odyssey) is a great guy to study and steal from.

American Cinematographer Publications such as the Magazine whenever a good movie comes out and the Handbook are very good supplements.

Ridiculously great advice. Too bad Vittorio Storaro's (Apocalypse Now) book Writing With Light is very expensive for the beginner.

There is a book that Nestor recommends. Which I second called: Bare Bones Camera and Video course by Tom Schroeppel

Also, there's a Cinematography school by an actual ASC member Shane Hurlbut. You may know him from the guy who got yelled at by Christian Bale in that meltdown on set of Terminator Salvation

I love that audio.

Anyway, crdr, if you haven't heard of him, check out Oleg Mutu. He shot The Death Of Mr Lazarescu and my favorite movie of the last decade My Joy.

That was mostly shot with an old video 8 camcorder with no external mic.

Yeah, this movie looks really funny and simple. Which I completely miss. American films are too convoluted and busy. I'm having a hard time finding Foreign films online. Does anyone know where I can go to stream them legally?
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I think there is a miscommunication.

Both of those movies were shot on film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1646114/

For foreign films, try to get an invite to the Cinematik tracker.
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(07-15-2017 09:36 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  I think there is a miscommunication.

Both of those movies were shot on film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1646114/

For foreign films, try to get an invite to the Cinematik tracker.

Oh cool.
No I was talking about the stuff I shot above...
Thanks I'll try that out.

I'm surprised this thread is so dead. I remember when playing guitar was like the thing to get laid.
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I used to draw crappy child like pictures for girls all the time. I still do occasionally and they always get a good response. Usually it's me in a boat, sports car or firetruck. I remember a year or so ago I drew a picture of me as a stick figure at the the top of a lighthouse with the girl banging on the door screaming let me in. I had a little thought bubble that displayed what I was thinking about which consisted of another girl at the end of the bar, a gun and a ham and cheese sandwich.

She looked at me and laughed and said who the fuck is this chick and I pointed at her, smiled and went on talking to one of my friends. Ended in a one night stand rather soon after.

Another good ice breaker as handing them a napkin that says I drew a portrait of you, usually the portrait consisted of her double fisting beer mugs or shots.

Again child like drawings, I'd sign them with my my name misspelled
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(07-15-2017 09:59 PM)FFL Wrote:  I used to draw crappy child like pictures for girls all the time. I still do occasionally and they always get a good response. Usually it's me in a boat, sports car or firetruck. I remember a year or so ago I drew a picture of me as a stick figure at the the top of a lighthouse with the girl banging on the door screaming let me in. I had a little thought bubble that displayed what I was thinking about which consisted of another girl at the end of the bar, a gun and a ham and cheese sandwich.

She looked at me and laughed and said who the fuck is this chick and I pointed at her, smiled and went on talking to one of my friends. Ended in a one night stand rather soon after.

Another good ice breaker as handing them a napkin that says I drew a portrait of you, usually the portrait consisted of her double fisting beer mugs or shots.

Again child like drawings, I'd sign them with my my name misspelled

The way art is going today. Your work may get inducted into The Met.
Artistry is the ultimate ice breaker. Regardless of skill.
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Gonna see this. It's my first movie in the theatres since Sicario in 2015.
RAVE REVIEWS FOR DUNKIRK
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