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Tallinn Summer 2017 Datasheet
Thanks to Godzilla for the previous Tallinn data sheet, I used that for the base of this.

Where to stay

Old town should be your only option. As close to Raekoja square as possible. A one bedroom apartment on the square will set you back 1000 euros in peak season, less if you do long term. I paid 1000 euros for a two bedroom about 2 blocks from the square. Having a sauna or jacuzzi is definitely helpful.

Weather

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Meh. According to locals the summer is getting cooler and the winter is getting warmer. By summer I mean a decent amount of rain and highs anywhere from 14-20. The sunny days feel pretty warm, but if I spent the winter in a cold ass place like this, I would be pretty disappointed to have the warmest day of the summer barely breaking 20. The one advantage is the nights don’t really get dark. Your 4:30am gutter game approaches are a bit less sketchy in that aspect, because it’s as light as most cities are at 4:30pm.


Bangs

Tallinn was one the easiest cities I have ever been to for bangs. One of the funniest things you can do here is ask a local girl what they think of Estonian men… the response 90% of the time is that they are “pussies.” The men here don’t approach nearly enough, get too drunk, and don’t stick up for their girlfriends the same way you would see in Serbia, Bulgaria, etc. Gutter game in old town is quite easy. I didn’t day game a ton, but when I did it was was pretty fruitful. The foreign factor is definitely helpful here, and age doesn’t seem to hurt you as much as it would in Western countries. I had two 40+ friends visit and they both had luck with under 25s. Another advantage is that although the girls will value foreigners higher, there isn’t a gold digging aspect like other FSU countries.

Personally, I pulled almost every night I went out looking tlo pull. The girls here almost all speak English, and although the beauty isn’t quite at Kiev levels, the English speaking combined with the tendency for ONSs makes nightlife quite a bit more enjoyable here. There also doesn't seem to be much of a stigma against 3somes, if you read my travel thread you'll know that by now.

It’s almost the perfect mix between the feminine countries and the feminists countries. Eventually I think the women are going to become more feminist, but for now it’s just a perfect dynamic of feminine women and weak men that behave like they would in feminist countries.

Speaking Russian will be an advantage here, as there is a small percentage of women were who are Estonian, but only speak Russian. There are also some Russian tourists here, but you’ll meet them more often in day game.

Things To Do

Old Town - The old town is charming. You can just wander the streets and enjoy the historic architecture, buskerers, and general vibe of the city.

Keila or Jagala waterfalls - A cool waterfall outside of the city.
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Maritime museum- a good look at the history of the port and ships in Tallinn

Pirita Beach- if you get a nice day, the beach should be pretty busy

Rope Swing at Tallinna Lauluvaljak- This is a fun date activity if you want to get adventurous. Basically you climb to the top of the amphitheatre and jump off on a free swinging rope. For me it was scarier than both paragliding and sky diving.

Day Game

If you walk from Raekoja square down into Viru Keskus and walk to the end of the mall, you can basically just go back and forth on that trek. Another option is go from the McDonalds to Freedom Square, then back to Raekoja. You see a handful of good 1 or 2 sets on this walk. In the summertime a decent amount of your approaches will end up being 16 y/o, especially in the mall, so watch out for that. A friend of mine gave me a great line with regards to that; he asks “Are you in university?” Basically asking age without directly doing so.

Tourists

Finnish

On the weekends the Finns come in for the cheap drinks. 4/14 lays in the month were Finnish. The girls that come down seems pretty keen to drink and hook up.

Aside from that, a few Brits, Germans, Americans, Spaniards, Russians and Aussies, but overall I was expecting it to be a lot more touristy than it was. The majority of the girls I met were Estonian.

I saw one stag party the entire time I was here as opposed to probably a dozen bachelorette parties, although they were mostly Russian.

Tinder Game

Group tinder was pretty successful here. Tinder isn’t really my cup of tea, but I had a ton of matches and my friend who has spent a significant of time here has done quite well on it. If you use it successfully in Western countries, you’ll probably find it to be a bit easier here.

Estonian Girls


Estonian girls are mostly blonde with blue eyes. The beauty isn’t quite as good as Ukraine, but if you are into asses you’ll find Estonia to be significantly better. From the people I met that have been to the other Baltic countries, they found Estonia to be better.

Roosh mentioned the hipster factor starting to flow over from Finland, also that the girls are becoming more obese. I’m not sure when the book was written but it is still a very small percentage, the girls are in good shape overall.

Nightlife

One note is that you have to be comfortable opening girls sitting at tables. This isn’t the case for the clubs, but for the bars it maybe be your only option aside from the smoking room.

Date spots:

Telliskivi is a great place to head for a date. It’s definitely a bit hipster, but it’s out of the old town and a bit more intimite. The area used to be a bad area, but it was turned into kind of an art zone and a bunch of cool restuarants and bars opened up here. I haven’t visited them all, but Rock Paper Scissors was a good meal, Pudel is an amazing craft beer bar and Shvips is a great wine bar.

Manna la Roosa- A nice outdoor patio, a bit expensive, but it sets the mood right.

Bars:

Uks Bar- Underground bar with karaoke on Monday nights and a beer pong table at all times. Shots are 6 for 6 euros. Not always teeming with women, but you might get lucky. At the least, it’s a good pregame spot.

Labor- On off-nights (Sun-Tue), this will probably be your best chance at picking up. It’s a chemistry themed bar where you buy shots 10 at a time in test tubes. Happy hour Sun-Thur goes til midnight and 10pm on the weekend… half priced shots during that. There are actually two Labors, one next to Nimeta/ Route 13, the other next to Hollywood, which is referred to as new Labor. I prefer the old one. The new one hosts a beer pong tournament on Thursdays.
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Nimeta/Route 13- Both these bars are pretty average, but worth checking out. Take a walk in, maybe grab a drink, then move on if there aren’t any sets to open.

Clubs:


Club Hollywood - The most consistently good club. Open Wed-Sat, with ladies night on Wednesday. I went here about 80% of the time. If your only goal is hooking up, just come to the benches outside Hollywood at about 2am and chat up girls as they are walking out. Probably 1/3rd of my pulls in Tallinn were either at Hollywood or outside Hollywood. My favorite spot for meeting girls inside was at the upstairs bar or in the upstairs smoking room.
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Club Studio - A little more relaxed than Hollywood. The previous data sheet mentioned it was an older crowd.. From what I’ve heard and experienced it’s the opposite.

Club Munt - $10 cover but only $1 drinks after. Not the best ratio, but like I mentioned, Estonian guys don’t have much for game. One experience here was when we approached 2 sitting at a table. The immediately said no, but we sat down anyway and when they found out we weren’t Estonian they were completely game with chatting.

Pada - Really cool, sociable outdoor venue. Wednesday nights at Pada are really popular. A bit more of a hipster crowd, but amazing talent. I never made it on the weekend, but I could see it being decent Friday/Saturday, but not on the level of Hollywood and a bit inconvenient since it’s a 10 minute walk from Old town.

Venus - Want to chase the night? It’s the only club in Tallinn open 7 days a week. Fun dance floor and they have sexy bartenders and go go dancers. Not the worst last resort, but not a priority.

The I don't want the night to end and I want to meet late night coke whores and maybe get lucky bar:

Cafe VS- Open til like 10am. I think the description above is enough.

Pub Crawls:
There are two party hostels in town. Monk’s Bunk and Red Emperor. They both run pub crawls Wed-Sat. These will be cockfests, but there are some advantages. Cost is 15 euros, but you get free entry into Hollywood (8-10 euros normally). With the Monk’s Bunk one you get a free hour of beer/cider and shots at each bar. Red Emperor you get a free beer and free shots at each bar. The ratio for RE will be better, especially in the school season when the Erasmus students are in town. Monk’s Bunk will be a bit more fun. Have of the pub crawls I went on I ended up just staying with a girl I met and either riding it out all night with her, or meeting the pub crawl at the club later in the night.

What your ideal week looks like:
Sunday- Old Labor/ Nimeta/ Route 13
Monday- Karaoke at either Red Emperor or Uks
Tuesday- Monks Bunk beer pong tournament, then Old Labor/Nimeta/Route 13
Wednesday- Club Hollywood or Pada(summer)
Thursday/Fri/Sat- Everywhere should be pretty busy

Final Numbers:
14 Lays in 30 days - 9 Estonian, 4 Finnish, and one Middle Eastern

And no Tallinn datasheet would be complete if it didn't finish with the most famous Estonian musician (who I finally met my last day here)


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AWESOME

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Being a local guy doing Kreschatyuk style daygame in a city that size would get you a reputation real quick, and not a good one.

That said, I've heard similar things about Scandis being pussies but it seems most women like to hate on their own men. Ask a Canadian girl what she thinks of Canadian men.
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Excellent write up! Really appreciate the ideal week layout and hostel info. Been following the whole trip log as well, so much info +1. Going to be in Tallinn for several days in Late august and this sheet will impact my trip for sure.
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Great write-up.

I can agree on many things since I went to Tallinn. It was an awesome city, one of my favorite with Vilnius.

Girls are blonde, blue eyes, just the way I like it. Superb city.
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How common are brunettes?

I'm not a fan of blondes.

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(07-13-2017 01:30 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  Being a local guy doing Kreschatyuk style daygame in a city that size would get you a reputation real quick, and not a good one.

That said, I've heard similar things about Scandis being pussies but it seems most women like to hate on their own men. Ask a Canadian girl what she thinks of Canadian men.

Even if the phenomenon is not real, as you suggest, it really doesn't matter and its a good persuasive technique. Cialdini calls it channel chuting. PUAs might call it reframing. It emphasizes that you are not local, you are unique and implicitly have higher value. A similar thing to ask is are you adventurous? If you phrase it or put it in a context where adventurous is a postive quality, the girl will say yes. Cialdini would say that she will then behave consistent with her statement that she is adventurous.
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Great data sheet. Was in Tallinn in June firstly with my main then solo. Loved it and had great weather so did a couple of 10k's/half marathons to the aforementioned Pirita Beach and back along the stunning boulevard. Enjoyed the seemingly continuous daylight and girls in heels on the old town cobbles just waiting for a guy to come up to them, along with Club Hollywood. The Estonian girls seemed to be making the most of the great weather in terms of dress, bikinis and a great mood. The noticeable increase of Finn's from Thursday-Sunday who are wanting a hookup also provided variety. There is a lack of flights to the UK which would actually make it more difficult for Brits like myself (and stags) to get there but I don't mind a connection and a slightly higher but reasonable price for how it keeps a lack of stags coming. The girl who dealt with my apartment said that Brits hardly come to Tallinn and most girls did say they had not met many Brits compared to Prague, Riga etc. Despite not having an exotic look with my blonde hair and blue eyes I did not have any problem being compared with an Estonian guy. Even being in the FSU I saw Tallinn as a first world city with Scandinavian like streets and buildings etc with central/Eastern European prices. For example a Taxify taxi from the airport to the old town was 4 euros (A 15 minute drive). I understand visiting a place is very different than living there but Tallinn is a place I would highly consider now, especially with the high internet speeds.
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@CC possibly so. Although it's not a very judgmental city so if you set your reputation up correctly it could serve as a good thing as well. Funny you mention Canadians because it's actually a very similar mentality here, but maybe a bit more extreme. Ask Vinny about the picture we took with this table of 6 Estonian guys, it was about as bleak as it gets.

@linux there are definitely some. Maybe 1/4th or so. My main girl was a brunette, as well as 3 of my last 4 girls here.

@conqueror7 yeah I didn't even mention taxis bc I only took like 4 the whole time here, but none were more than 5 euros. I also forgot to mention the Internet. My SIM card was 5gb for 8 euros, and there is free high speed internet everywhere in the city. It's a human right to have internet in Estonia, and they pride themselves on it.
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Digital Nomad you said "Tallinn was one the easiest cities I have ever been to for bangs."

There are a lot of guys on Rooshv on other threads who went to Tallinn and came back to the forum reporting that it was hard and that they returned empty handed or with maybe 1 notch. Do you think its a city where an "average guy" can still do well, or do you have to be at the top of the pyramid, so to speak to do well? Also for the guys that did not do well in Tallinn, what what you say are the factors causing their lack of success?

I just noticed on Rooshv opinions were very divided about Tallinn, with some guys saying it was the hardest European city they had been to and others guys saying it was the easiest European city they had been to.
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@DN did you try the restaurant III Drakon on Raekoja? I remember feeling inside of Game of thrones while eating there Big Grin
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I have received as well positive feedback from my friends about Tallinn. They regarded Tallinn as an easy place for fast sex - at least compared to Poland where they live and where it is arduous for them. An interesting mix between Scandinavian and Russian mentality. I am curious to try, maybe in Autumn I will go for a weekend.
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That "older crowd" comment for Club Studio was a bit of typo. What happened is I had bounced from Club Hollywood one night to some other bar. Ended up meeting some girls who took me to Club Studio. They started negging me for hanging with "18 year olds" at Club Hollywood. It was probably a mid-20s crowd. Frankly, over 30 Estonian girls were not good looking. They aged too poorly.

@napolean The Finnish tourists are there in winter as well. Obviously can't confirm if they come in the same numbers.

+1 Nice datasheet

Dude if blondes are digging you this much, wait till you hit the rest of Scandinavia, the girls can be even sluttier.

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I was there for some 4-5 days back in 2014. The old town is amazingly stunning, really well preserved, but I did not liked the touristic vibe at night, drunk brits and fights where common during that week (it was around western easter), also my buddy was not into a party mood, so I ended up not checking out for example Club Hollywood. Anyway, we met some nice chicks in Muust Puudel, an hipsterish restaurant, but with many girls in the 7 range. And once we went to Studio Disco where we met a couple of Latvian chicks that we ended up meeting later in Riga and showed us all the cool night spots where only locals go, and where I saw the true potential of Riga (in the clubs where foreigners are not allowed).

All in all, I was there just because Euromaidan and the war in Ukraine was at its peak, and never returned to Tallin since things calmed down in Ukraine. Girls are hot in general, but the prices are very high for EE, and the city is also very small, I bumped to the same girls quite some times during those short days, and I felt that I would be known real fast if stayed for longer. I dont exclude coming back, had a good time over there, though dont see it happening soon. At least as long as Ukraine keeps being the cheapest country in EE.

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They have this Beer House in Old Town in Tallin.

They literally have the best beer I ever drank in my life.
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@rocha I think times have changed since then. Riga is the new Tallinn.

@australia sucks - if you do well with western girls, you'll do great there. If you are a beta Canadian, it won't be great

@goncola999 as much as I tried to avoid restaurants there, I did go once haha. Really good expensive lunch

@napoleon Finnish people like to drink, they'll be there all year. Plus the Erasmus will be there in the fall winter and spring. I would imagine Tartu would also be great during school season, but I don't know if it's worth dealing with the weather haha
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How bad of logistics is the Radisson Blue Sky hotel logistics in Tallinn. I booked that area already and on google maps its 1.2km walk from the Raekoja Square. I did see some bars walking distance to there. Should I cancel it and book something else? I got a baller place for $80 and anything mediocre I'm seeing in Old Town is $100-200/night for apartments on airbnb.
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Hi

Great report thanks a lot !

Can I ask , what's the optimal game / look ?

I'm British but scando looking ( blonde hair blue eyes tall etc) and kinda bombed in Helsinki ..couldn't get the ONS but chatting was easy

Cheers
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(07-13-2017 01:18 PM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  Tinder Game

Group tinder was pretty successful here. Tinder isn’t really my cup of tea, but I had a ton of matches and my friend who has spent a significant of time here has done quite well on it. If you use it successfully in Western countries, you’ll probably find it to be a bit easier here.
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Im trying to pipeline through tinder now, have it set to the old town but it ran out of people pretty quickly? 50km range and 18-25 year olds
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(07-15-2017 01:57 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  Im trying to pipeline through tinder now, have it set to the old town but it ran out of people pretty quickly? 50km range and 18-25 year olds

How do you set it without going there?
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Tinder is pretty tough out there, for the amount of matches I got, I had trouble getting girls out on dates, best to trust your night or day game.

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@shimmy I'd value locational logistics over a balling place.

@rod for game, just be a man. Looks.. I don't think it matters much. All the people that visited me were quite different looking, but where you are friend is the more important variable.

@wonderer1 I agree with Godzilla. There really isn't a need to tinder there. It's easy enough to meet girls day or night gaming. At least then you know what they look like IRL and you have a grasp on whether you get along or not.

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Booked my trip for last week of August, lets hope the weather holds up as my game is predominately day game.
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@wonderer1 Me too. I'm sending you a PM.
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Just get out and game. I was in a shit mood this summer. I put on weight. Drank a shit load. (When I drink, all I do is drink.) But the potential is there....especially for younger guys. Just be social and genuine. Estonian girls can be quite nice. Especially in the smaller cities....personalitywise.
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