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China opening its first overseas military base
A major geopolitical development these days: China has completed its first military base abroad, and is sending its troops to Djibouti (thus getting some control over the red-sea passage of supertankers).

http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/chinese...rn-2017-3/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-40578106

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It marks a spectacular rise of military projection, and a first display of military might abroad, for the Chinese. Wait 15 years and you'll have Chinese bases in, I don't know, ten or twenty countries... It might actually be a stabilizing factor for the world, mind you.
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China has a strong grip in Africa. I read somewhere that Africa is for China, while the rest of the world is for the globalists... Not sure if this is good news.

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This is connected with their new silk road initiative. The initiative combines a massive new transportation corridor by land along the route of the ancient silk road, together with a network of shipping ports from China, through Indonesia and along the coast of the Indian ocean, then to the coast of Africa and through the Suez canal into the Mediterranian and beyond.
They have launched a trillion dollars of infrastructure projects to tie the land and sea routes together, and are launching new mining and other commercial ventures with all the nations that are linked to this network.

The military base(s) are just one piece of a major campaign to expand their economic, military, and political reach

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China needs to counter India. Remember that India can shut down at will or under American orders the Strait of Malacca, a vital seaway for China.

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(07-15-2017 03:55 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  China needs to counter India. Remember that India can shut down at will or under American orders the Strait of Malacca, a vital seaway for China.

We'll just deport all their H1Bs back.

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(07-15-2017 03:55 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  China needs to counter India. Remember that India can shut down at will or under American orders the Strait of Malacca, a vital seaway for China.

We'll just deport all their H1Bs back.

Wait! Trump promised thousands of expedited H1Bs for India.




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(07-15-2017 03:21 PM)Going strong Wrote:  A major geopolitical development these days: China has completed its first military base abroad, and is sending its troops to Djibouti (thus getting some control over the red-sea passage of supertankers).

http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/chinese...rn-2017-3/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-40578106

[Image: _96897902_674853.jpg]

It marks a spectacular rise of military projection, and a first display of military might abroad, for the Chinese. Wait 15 years and you'll have Chinese bases in, I don't know, ten or twenty countries... It might actually be a stabilizing factor for the world, mind you.

Where at? No European country and most of Asia or the middle east wouldn't let the Chinese have a base there. The US will continue to rule the oceans for a long time. Central Asia, some poor African countries and poor Latin American countries seems realistic. Japan, US and France also have bases in Djibouti.

(07-15-2017 03:55 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  China needs to counter India. Remember that India can shut down at will or under American orders the Strait of Malacca, a vital seaway for China.

India-US-Japan Malabar exercise is an assertion of New Delhi's independence, foreign policy and self-confidence

Quote:It is a great coincidence that the 10-day annual India-US-Japan Malabar naval exercise began at a time (on 10 July) when India and China are locked in a serious standoff in the Sikkim region. India could not have timed it so well to send a maritime threat to China as a rebuff to the latter's threatening posture in the Himalayan region.

After all, the Malabar exercise is an annual event and its timings are decided and preparations are made, at least, six months in advance. The Sikkim border bedlam which is barely a month-old could not have been anticipated while scheduling the Malabar drill.

But there is no gainsaying that the India-US naval exercise has come to represent, in the last several years, a joint resolve to counter increasing Chinese hegemony in the territorial waters of the region. Both India and the US are coy in admitting it in so many words; naturally so, as both the countries do not want to openly antagonise a rising super-power like China. But everybody concerned knows it very well that the annual exercise is a constant reminder to China to rein in its expansionist designs.

After all, China has been flexing its muscles in its backyard, the South China Sea, for the last several years pushing countries like Taiwan, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia and the Philippines, which are mostly aligned with the USA, to come under its umbrella.

The Philippines under President Rodrigo Duterte has somewhat drifted away from the US and has made common cause with China in the hope of larger economic aid. The US is certainly concerned that its hegemony in the territorial waters worldwide is being challenged by China. So it is looking for reliable partners to checkmate China everywhere.

This suits India as well because China is the only other country, apart from Pakistan, which has been engaged in an adversarial relationship for years. The bigger threat is that Pakistan has become a satellite country of China. China-Pakistan axis, both military and economic, is writ large.

China has helped Pakistan to develop its nuclear capability; it has provided military jets and submarines to Pakistan. It has helped develop the Gwadar port in Pakistan which would help China gain access to the Arabian Sea in the Indian Ocean. China has invested 46 billion dollars to build China-Pakistan Economic Corridor. Naturally, India has to be wary of China which is rapidly emerging as a regional hegemony.

The United States and India have, therefore, a shared objective to contain China.
The Malabar exercise is meant to precisely do that, though the diplomatic sophistry describes it as a routine maritime drill.

The joint exercise began in 1992 in a modest way; it went on to acquire greater muscle in the succeeding years. Reuters

It was the foresight of P V Narasimha Rao, the prime minister in the early 1990s — when the Cold War came to an end with the disintegration of the Soviet Union and the international relations underwent a massive churning — that India persuaded the USA to come together to protect their respective interests in the territorial waters.

The joint exercise began in 1992 in a modest way; it went on to acquire greater muscle in the succeeding years. The Manmohan Singh government took the exercise several notches higher; in 2007, India invited Japan, Australia and Singapore to be part of the drill. The five-nation joint exercise infuriated China to such an extent that it issued demarches against the manoeuvre. Australia then backed out from the subsequent strategic dialogue (Quadrilateral Security Initiative) fearing the Chinese backlash. The Australian action displeased India to no end.

Now, that Australia is facing the Chinese heat again and it wants to break free from the Chinese domination, it has been earnestly requesting India to re-admit it in the annual exercise. But India has stubbornly refused to accede to Australia's plea. Australia even pleaded to be given an observer status in the Malabar exercise; but, after dithering over it for a long time, India finally rejected the plea last month. There is a lingering view that India still looks upon Australia as an unreliable strategic ally.

Many in India view Australia's burgeoning economic and political ties with China with suspicion. As an analyst said: "A section of New Delhi's policy elite believes that China's associations in Australia are so vast and intricate that Beijing may even have infiltrated Canberra's political establishment."

While India has cast aside Australia's entreaties, it has had no hesitation in embracing Japan for two reasons: first, Japan has been also in an adversarial relationship with China and would be a strategic Asian ally of India in the eventuality of any maritime conflict in the region. Secondly, the USA has been pushing the case of Japan to build an India-Japan strategic relationship to counter the Chinese designs. Japan first joined the exercise in 2014. It has become a permanent fixture in the three-nation naval exercise since 2015.

By admitting Japan to be an institutional part of the trilateral naval exercise, India has upped the ante against China. There is, of course, no doubt that China is far ahead of India, both economically and militarily. But India today is in a position to demonstrate it is no more a pushover.

India's supreme confidence was manifest when the Narendra Modi government decided to boycott the One Belt, One Road (OBOR) initiative of China; it also gave a miss to the Belt and Road Forum (BRF) showcased by Beijing in May this year in which almost 100 countries (including the USA, Japan and South Korea) and 29 heads of state (including the likes of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president) participated. India did not even send its ambassador in Beijing as a token representation as it wanted to bring home its objection to the creation of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor in the disputed territory occupied by Pakistan.

India's self-assuredness is again evident from its firm position in the Doklam border dispute; it has gone ahead and stopped Chinese construction of a road in the disputed territory and refused to back off despite serious threats from the Chinese authorities.

The Malabar exercise is another assertion of India's self-confidence to conduct its foreign policy on its own terms, undeterred by the dispositions by other powers. The independent foreign policy is a legacy that India has succeeded in carrying on despite the changes in governments as well as policy prescriptions.

I was also surprised to see silence in RVF regarding this event:

Narendra Modi becomes first Indian PM to visit Israel


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Quote:Narendra Modi has arrived in Tel Aviv, becoming the first Indian prime minister to visit Israel.

Mr Modi, who recently said India and the Jewish state share a "deep and centuries-old" connection, is expected to agree military and cyber security deals.

Observers note he will not travel to Ramallah or meet Palestinian leaders, as visiting dignitaries often do.

The visit is seen by some as a turning point on India's position on Israel.


Mr Modi called the visit "ground-breaking" as he was met at the airport by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. They will have dinner this evening ahead of formal talks on Wednesday.

Here is what the focus will be on over the next three days:
Defence deals will be top of the agenda

For years, Israel and India have been working closely together on counter-terrorism and defence issues and India has been a regular customer of arms from the Jewish state.

Working to modernise its military to counter China and Pakistan, India is now Israel's biggest arms market, thought to be worth about $1bn (£770m) per year, according to Reuters news agency.

The co-operation ranges from a jointly built air defence system to India buying drones, radar, cyber security and communication systems.

Aside from defence deals, the two countries also want to expand co-operation in other areas, notably Israel helping India to improve agricultural productivity and food security.

The two countries are set to build closer ties

India and Israel have had diplomatic relations for 25 years.

In the past however, the relationship has always been a balancing act given India's sizeable Muslim population and the country's dependence on oil imports from Arab countries and Iran.

Mr Netanyahu has described Mr Modi's visit as "historic", saying it would "deepen co-operation in a wide range of fields - security, agriculture, water, energy - basically in almost every field Israel is involved in".
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Honestly, good for China. In recent years you see the important role that certain red countries are playing on the world stage. Russia handed the Syrian conflict much better than USA.

The Chinese leadership could definetely use improvement by getting rid of their old communist ideas but I think it will happen slowly. The growth of Christianity is faster than anywhere else on earth and China will become the largest Christian nation within a decade possibly.
It has taken the mantle from the USA in this regard and with it will come certain blessings.

So maybe the Christian population will eventually be represented in the government and through it, China will take on the role that USA played early in its history.
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Regarding the US-India naval exercise, a good read is Clash of Civilizations by Samuel Huntington. In his book (written in the 1980s I believe) he talked about the upcoming geo-political re-alignments: closer ties between the West (spearheaded by the US), the Orthodox world (Russia) and India vs. China and the Islamic world.

If you agree with his thesis, none of this is too surprising - stronger ties between Pakistan (which is pushing to become the dominant country of the Islamic civilization) and China would only push India toward the West and unsurprisingly towards Israel, which is also anti-Islam. Amusingly enough, Huntington touched upon Australia as well and their indecisiveness between being an Asian nation (thoroughly rejected by the Sinic civilization) and being a Western nation. Seemed they finally decided being predominantly white and Christian, they really are a Western nation. That would explain why they wanted to get back into the naval exercise.

Modi has really good ties with Putin and it seems Trump also gets along with the two of them. This is going to be a really interesting decade to watch.

In terms of bases, I wouldn't be surprised to see more Muslim nations let China have a base. Pakistan would be a great contender, however whether its own military (which really controls the country) allows it is to be seen.

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(07-17-2017 12:32 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  Regarding the US-India naval exercise, a good read is Clash of Civilizations by Samuel Huntington. In his book (written in the 1980s I believe) he talked about the upcoming geo-political re-alignments: closer ties between the West (spearheaded by the US), the Orthodox world (Russia) and India vs. China and the Islamic world.

If you agree with his thesis, none of this is too surprising - stronger ties between Pakistan (which is pushing to become the dominant country of the Islamic civilization) and China would only push India toward the West and unsurprisingly towards Israel, which is also anti-Islam. Amusingly enough, Huntington touched upon Australia as well and their indecisiveness between being an Asian nation (thoroughly rejected by the Sinic civilization) and being a Western nation. Seemed they finally decided being predominantly white and Christian, they really are a Western nation. That would explain why they wanted to get back into the naval exercise.

Modi has really good ties with Putin and it seems Trump also gets along with the two of them. This is going to be a really interesting decade to watch.

In terms of bases, I wouldn't be surprised to see more Muslim nations let China have a base. Pakistan would be a great contender, however whether its own military (which really controls the country) allows it is to be seen.

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Every time I read about the rise of China or the fall of France I'm reminded of this scene.



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(07-17-2017 12:32 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  Regarding the US-India naval exercise, a good read is Clash of Civilizations by Samuel Huntington. In his book (written in the 1980s I believe) he talked about the upcoming geo-political re-alignments: closer ties between the West (spearheaded by the US), the Orthodox world (Russia) and India vs. China and the Islamic world.

If you agree with his thesis, none of this is too surprising - stronger ties between Pakistan (which is pushing to become the dominant country of the Islamic civilization) and China would only push India toward the West and unsurprisingly towards Israel, which is also anti-Islam. Amusingly enough, Huntington touched upon Australia as well and their indecisiveness between being an Asian nation (thoroughly rejected by the Sinic civilization) and being a Western nation. Seemed they finally decided being predominantly white and Christian, they really are a Western nation. That would explain why they wanted to get back into the naval exercise.

Modi has really good ties with Putin and it seems Trump also gets along with the two of them. This is going to be a really interesting decade to watch.

In terms of bases, I wouldn't be surprised to see more Muslim nations let China have a base. Pakistan would be a great contender, however whether its own military (which really controls the country) allows it is to be seen.

Interesting analysis indeed. Still, I don't believe China will get all that friendly with "Muslim nations", especially considering the Ouigour (basically, "Turkish" muslims) situation in China...
I believe China in the future will get some military bases in Asia, maybe even in the Phils, in spite of the historic tensions existing between Asian nations. Also a base in Argentina, would be a possibility (I seem to remember they have an observatory there, already, or are building it as we speak).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f...ce-station

"Amid the barren and windswept Andes foothills of Argentina’s southern Neuquén province, a large billboard signals in English the entrance to the China Satellite Launch and Tracking Control General (CLTC) – China’s first space installation outside its own borders.

After two years’ work, some 300 Argentinian workers led by nine Chinese managers have completed the cement casing for a 35-metre-diameter antenna – and on Wednesday night the base was finally approved by Argentina’s congress, amid a fierce debate about its true purpose."
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(07-17-2017 02:39 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Every time I read about the rise of China or the fall of France I'm reminded of this scene.

^Few people appreciate the sheer size of China's economic and human power and its effects on the future. Doug Casey says that within a few generations Europe will be a playground for the Chinese, and that they will employ Europeans as their maids and housekeepers.
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(07-16-2017 05:25 PM)sonoran_ Wrote:  he growth of Christianity is faster than anywhere else on earth and China will become the largest Christian nation within a decade possibly.
It has taken the mantle from the USA in this regard and with it will come certain blessings.

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China is not going to be happy about that. You think a government that willfully erased the past will suddenly embrace christianity? I think that will get really ugly.

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There's the occasional year of the dragon in Chinese calendars.

Fair bet, the remainder of this century will be the 'century of the dragon'...
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(07-17-2017 02:39 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Every time I read about the rise of China or the fall of France I'm reminded of this scene.




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(07-17-2017 10:08 AM)Slam Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 02:39 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Every time I read about the rise of China or the fall of France I'm reminded of this scene.
^Few people appreciate the sheer size of China's economic and human power and its effects on the future. Doug Casey says that within a few generations Europe will be a playground for the Chinese, and that they will employ Europeans as their maids and housekeepers.

Uhh. . .no. China has too many problems to try and invade Europe or have Europeans as maids. . .but then again Europe is killing itself.

Anyway, China HAS to project abroad now, they are in DEEP SHIT. They have 260% GDP in debt caused by Their silly banking policy from 2008 till now(basically about to be Japan if they don't fix their shit) Xi Jinping is in a years long power struggle(err, "campaign against corruption") against Jiang Zemin[Who, by the way is part of the Chinese human organ trafficking ring{He rounded up a bunch of falun gong people and harvested their organs}] He also has some billionaire Chinese businessman helping Jiang Zemin undermine Xi Jinping, so he's got to deal with that madness.

THEN, there's the Chinese mindset of lack of maintenance for. . .everything,(meaning crumbling infrastructure/housing/everything outside of major cities) shady dealings (look up "nailhouses") and a whole list of other problems one being, the demographic timebomb that's just as bad as Japan is COMBINED with the terrible effects of the one child policy.

That and the fact that it is a communist country, although it's probably more appropriate to term the country a totalitarian state at this point.

You've got a country that NEEDS to find ways of dealing with their debt (which is why they've been investing in Africa and South America)

If China wasn't so fucked up right now, with all of their problems, they wouldn't really even care about opening up overseas bases.

Some people would counter by saying "Well America has problems too" Or "Look at detroit" or some other sort of nonsense. Thing is, Most Americans KNOW what are problems are and admit they exist (at least the redpill ones do) Most Chinese people do not, and get defensive/angry/spit out propaganda when confronted with THEIR problems, Hell, some Chinese people don't even get why guns are important[I have had...LOTS of conversations about this with mainland Chinese people, they get an AHA moment when I explain to them WHY guns are important]. Second, The U.S. economy is the best in the world for a reason, countries (like China) have copied capitalism for a reason (Thanks Deng Xiaoping), U.S. has the highest amount of Tech, and the most amount of earth shattering inventions on earth. And China. . .

Well they can copy things America has been doing. . .even the bad things - 260% debt in GDP cause by the govt ordering the banks to lend money to anyone and everyone. (sound familiar?)

So yeah while the U.S. has its problems, we are WAAAY better off than China at this point, which gives Americans the ability to look at what China is doing and say: "Hey, you guys got problems" (Yes EVEN THOUGH America has feminism). {<--------I say this when people want to bring up America's problems as that somehow makes the U.S. equal to China, as its a common propaganda tactic by the propaganda wing of the Chinese govt [This is world wide, as they even have offices in the States. They also shill on the net everywhere as well.]}

Anyway, even though Europe is committing suicide, China is FAR FAR away from "Having Europeans as maids." They'd at least have to go through the Muslims first Angel.(China has it's own similar problem with the Uigurs)

Also, going by what that picture shows, it's obvious that the Chinese aren't there to fight. . .anything, at the very least they opened the base to fool investors into thinking that China is still a good place to invest in (It's not). Do you know how I know this by looking at the photo? The prominence of WOMEN on the damn battleship. China is: 1)extremely patriarchal 2)in a HUGE demographic crisis (120 men for every 100 women + young couples not having enough children for replacement values which is equaling a HUGE aging Population etc etc) there is NO WAY, that the Chinese would risk their women in ANY kind of conflict, PERIOD. This is purely for show.

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A related note. The Sino-Russian Alliance gets steam. Russia (the largest ballistic nuclear power, country and energetic power) and China (the largest economy, most populated country and the third nuclear power) will conduct the first stage of their Joint Sea 2017 naval drills off the Baltic coast this week, the Russian Defense Ministry has confirmed. Beijing has sent one of its most advanced missile destroyers for the exercises. This is a major event since the previous joint military exercises between the two powers were conducted in the South China Sea and the Ojotsk Sea. Now the Alliance is setting a foot in Europe, a place where the PLA has never been so far.

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Is this foreign military base still essentially 'made in China' level quality?
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(07-17-2017 11:10 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Is this foreign military base still essentially 'made in China' level quality?

When the Chinese want to get something right, they usually do.

You should see the subway system here in Beijing. It's clean, well-lighted, and extremely timely. No doubt it puts many systems in developed nations to shame.

For example, the signage in the Toronto subway system is simply embarrassing. Very confusing to non-regular users. Beijing's signage is incredibly helpful and easy to find.
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RE: China opening its first overseas military base
I know squat all about China but as a nation they don't seem to have the same drive as Westerners do to cast pearls before swine.

They seem to put time/money/effort where it will be appreciated, respected and yield future results, whereas in the West we do the opposite. We bankrupt ourselves by throwing endless supplies of money at regional failures in a doomed attempt to "bring them up to par".

No doubt China has their own terminally feckless districts but it seems like they're not in a hurry to waste resources by pouring them into a social black-hole.
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RE: China opening its first overseas military base
The Chinese have no battle experience, just trolling experience. A Marine platoon would probably have no issues taking out a Chinese battalion. Then again, I consider anything Chinese to have the same quality as an item from Alibaba...

Still tho, WB their women.

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RE: China opening its first overseas military base
(07-17-2017 10:35 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  Anyway, China HAS to project abroad now, they are in DEEP SHIT. They have 260% GDP in debt caused by Their silly banking policy from 2008 till now(basically about to be Japan if they don't fix their shit)

China does have a debt problem but it's not as serious as some people make it out to be. There are a lot of mitigating factors:

-China's external debt is low, especially in comparison to GDP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...ernal_debt

USA's external debt/GDP = 98%.
Japan's external debt/GDP= 69%.
China's external debt/GDP = 12.8%

Most of China's debt it owes to itself.

-China's household debt/GDP = 36.1%.
USA's = 80%
Japan's= 66%.

Source: http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings..._debt_gdp/

Also China has one of the highest saving rate in the world (~48%)


-China's government debt/GDP = 20%.
USA's = 73.8%
Japan's = 234%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...ublic_debt

-Most of China's debt is corporate debt. Which is a problem. But the Chinese government is taking serious measures to deleverage. It's also not an economy-wide problem, but concentrated on SOEs (state-owned enterprises), hence the government has a lot more power in controlling it.

-The debt is in yuan. Meaning the Chinese government can print more money to pay the debt. Unlike Greece which has its debt in euro.

-China has a large foreign reserves. As of June 2017 it has a total of $3.057 trillion. At its peak it was 4.4 trillion.

Read more at: Can China prevent a Greek-style economic disaster due to its large amount of debt? - Quora

Moody’s downgrading of China’s credit rating is without basis amid ‘new normal’ in the economy - SCMP

4 Reasons Why Moody's Is Wrong About China - Forbes


What is the significance of Moody's cutting their credit rating for China?
- Quora


How closely does China's current trajectory mirror that of Japan before the Lost Decade? - Quora


Quote: Xi Jinping is in a years long power struggle(err, "campaign against corruption") against Jiang Zemin[Who, by the way is part of the Chinese human organ trafficking ring{He rounded up a bunch of falun gong people and harvested their organs}] He also has some billionaire Chinese businessman helping Jiang Zemin undermine Xi Jinping, so he's got to deal with that madness.

Nothing about this is crippling, especially in long term.
Also, while the US is too busy arguing with each other in congress, and the next president undoes the work of the last, China's leaders are very consistent in following long-term plans. Which countries other than China have two 100-years plans?

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-prominence-...n-Daverman

Quote:THEN, there's the Chinese mindset of lack of maintenance for. . .everything,(meaning crumbling infrastructure/housing/everything outside of major cities)

Shoddy buildings are a problem in an earthquake. But overall they're not that bad. They're not intended to last long but to constantly create jobs.

Also when they are really serious about building good infrastructures, they totally can. Look at the subways and high-speed rails.
Quote:the demographic timebomb that's just as bad as Japan is COMBINED with the terrible effects of the one child policy...
...in a HUGE demographic crisis (120 men for every 100 women + young couples not having enough children for replacement values which is equaling a HUGE aging Population etc etc)

China has 33 million more men than women in the official number, so the ratio is nowhere near as bad you say. Also they have about 25 million women who are undocumented.

Ever since the one-child policy was lifted, birth rate has been increasing to 18 million births a year in 2016. You can expect to increase as the market for curing infertility is booming.

Also China is much more well-poised to solve the birth-rate problem than Japan, precisely because it's an authoritarian government. See my detailed answer on Quora.

Also, a China's city just launched the world's first unhackable’ quantum network, churned out the world's first gene-edited cloned puppy, and way ahead of the US in fusion energy. They built the world's fastest supercomputers, photon quantum computer, etc. so it's incorrect to say they can only copy. Go to Shenzen and you can see a very dynamic, innovative activities there. Originals, counterfights, copycats, Shenzen has it all.

In term of tecnology: China currently leads in Genomics (CRISPR gene editing), Speech Recognition, Supercomputing; Metamaterials, Graphenics (1, 2), Nanotechnology; 'Fusion Energy', Nuclear Fuel Utilization, Methane Hydrates (Flammable Ice) Energy, Thorium power, Pebble Bed Reactors, Thermal Power generation, UHV Electricity transmission; Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles, Hypersonic Glide Vehicle/Missile; Hyperspectral Imaging, Passive Array Radar, Radiotelescopy; In-Space Refueling, Satellite Quantum Encrypted Communication Networks; Drone; E-commerce, Mobile Payment.

In term of scientific research: China has long surpassed the US in patent applications. It has made significant game-changing inventions, too. China's Tsinghua unversities now ranked #1 in engineering, according to USNews. The Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) is ranked as the most influential scientific institution since 2015 by the NatureIndex. Just a few weeks ago, the Japan Science and Technology Agency announced that China now ranks as the most influential country in four of eight core scientific fields (computer science, mathematics, materials science and engineering), and is level with the USA in a fifth, physics. As China is planning to build Supercollider Higgs Factory Twice The Size Of CERN's Large Hadron Collider, it's reasonable to expect China will surpass America in physics, too.

I have detailed more here


Now it's American high-tech companies that're starting to copy China.

China's military is stepping up its gears, too. Such as in Hypersonic weapons, as just one example (the us played a role in China's advance). With the Integrated Electrical Propulsion System, Chinese submarines could soon be quieter than US ones. Look at this baby type 055 destroyer before you conclude that China's military is a joke. China has the industrial power to churn out a lot more warships like this. The US became a superpower because it was an industrial superpower in WWII - which it no longer is.
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