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RE: London
(02-10-2019 02:57 PM)sarcofago Wrote:  
(02-10-2019 02:21 PM)Lino Wrote:  You’re really hilarious ?

I'm just trying to be a useful person and a useful contributor. Roosh has changed my life and I'm trying to help him educate sexually his readers. Go read my latest thread 'Masturbate twice before a first date' and thank me later.

That was indeed another great troll post by you.

Well done.
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Sounds like Instagram, SA, Tinder and Bumble have given average women complete (and inflated) price discovery.

Sounds like men on decent wages in London should buy extra days of annual leave and use Gatwick, Stansted or Heathrow a few times per year.

However London has more women under 30 than men under 30, which is exceptional in England.
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02-12-2019 02:24 AM
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RE: London
London, London, London.

I could write essays on this place and its potential, and how very often it misses the mark. I have been reading this thread for a while now, and back when I started I was about 19 years old. Now, I'm 21, and I have had a bit more experience with game and life.

I still have plenty to learn, which is part of why I have spent so much time lurking rather than posting, but here, in this particular thread, I think I may be able to provide some useful insights.

I have lived in London my entire life. I have barely left the country, and don't worry, that's right up there on my priorities. To be honest, even seeing other bits of the UK would be great, because the small amount of time I have spent in other towns and cities has been proof enough of just how lacking London and its contemporary natives can be.

I could talk about pretty much any aspect of game in regards to this city, but I'll just to say to you guys who have been dismissing the city, that you're not foolish for doing so. Going to other countries sounds like the best way forward, and perhaps the most efficient thing to do. As someone said in a previous post, nearly everything good about London is foreign.

I do love this city in my own way, and I do think it has a lot of potential. But with feminism, gynocentrism, and plenty of other diseases we all know about, there's no reason why you should stay here and put up with the nonsense.

I agree with most of what giama is saying. As someone actually from this city, I can tell you he is giving perhaps the most accurate information, albiet with a tinge of salt, but that's to be expected. Almost every post of his I've read about the UK/London I've found myself nodding to. I like to be as objective about a situation as possible and not get all in my feelings about things, but the truth is this city is not the place for if you want local girls.

I could point out loads of strange things most people wouldn't think of, as indicators/explanations for the sexual marketplace, or the openness of the people.

But since this is my first post, I'll just tell a little story.

From the age of 16 I spent a lot of time watching pickup videos. A LOT of time. It all began with the American material, but my GF (yes, girlfriend), would sometimes watch them with me, and asked me, "How comes you don't ever see these guys do this here." And I thought, "yeah... that's a fair point". But to be honest, I had never really thought to look.

So, then I looked.

Naturally, I came across Torero, Krauser, Street Attraction, and many others, and I began to see that Daygame was much more prevalent here than nightgame seemed to be, at least in terms of actual pickup content. That alone was an interesting distinciton. But the more I watched, the more I realised that many of these supposed pickups didn't seem like they would lead to anything.

I started going out and practicing game, and I started to understand what different types of interactions would generally lead to. I could spot the little signs much easier (and tbh, I was good at it with very little experience, because I have very good intuition).

So, I started to realise a lot of the content online wasn't actually all that great, because much of it was way too edited, or too much smoke and mirrors. Now, arguably, the entire PUA scene is like this anyway, but it bothered me that it even happened here in London.

Still, it was inspiring to see that it was possible and that at the very least, there were guys here trying their luck.

Now, here's the point where everything started to change for me, and my little honeymoon phase with game began to end.

I noticed something, and my girlfriend (astute as ever) also noticed this, and made a point of it. These London daygamers seemed to only be capable of picking up girls who were foreign.

Okay, so the argument comes in that they only like a certain look, and that it just tends to be euro girls who fit the bill. Also, couple it with the fact they tend to game in central London and tourists areas, and of course, they know that those types of girls will generally be easier to sleep with. Okay, I get all that, it makes sense.

BUT.

Why was it that almost NOBODY could post an infield of anything else? Why was it that British guys in Britain's capital, could not CLOSE their own women? I'm not talking about numbers, but even then, there's a scarce amount of infields of guys getting numbers that I would actually believe are genuinely solid.

Some of this forum have addressed the whole "can you daygame british girls" thing in another thread from a few years back. Now, yes people have done it. Maybe some of you have even done it. But I'd be questioning the quality of those girls for sure, as well as how well connected they were.

But here's one of the key observations I've made about London, one that has lead me to believe that for as much as I love this city, the locals are perhaps some of the hardest in the world to actually game without a social circle, assuming you're interested in them.

Some Americans argue that their women are no good. I would agree. However, I can see plenty of infields of different types of American guys picking up different types of American women. I read plenty of lay reports from all types of American guys sleeping with all types of American women (and in an array of situations).

Now, the common argument I would hear against my point about London locals is: "every girl is harder in her home city." I agree. But their level of difficulty is ridiculous.

Consider this: All you guys who go abroad have managed to bang locals girls in the counties you've gone to right? Including North America. But how many guys come to London and bang girls born and raised in London who are actually attractive (tbh I'd say any looks level, but I'm sure that's a bit more manageable).

Even guys from other bits of the UK who I know slay it with chicks in other parts of England will say that London girls are ridiculously rude and all-around difficult.

If you want to achieve anything with any hot girls raised here, you'll almost certainly need to be in the social circles that will allow you that, and even then you'll need to be essentially their type, or around longer than the competition.

London is essentially a social circle city if you want to get with the locals. That's why my guy earlier was saying he had more success when he was younger and going to house parties. Even foreign girls who come here say that Londoners are cold and they can't connect or befriend them.

There are exceptions, of course.

My girlfriend who I've mentioned here is mixed-race and I'd argue she's an 9 or 8.5 (for some) in looks, and a 10 for personality. It helps massively that her white half is EE and not British. Which means she has a bit of UK culture, but many of the values from the traditional African or EE countries.

So, to you guys' points earlier about mixed girls, yes they typically are jarring, but I managed to find a gem and a half. And guess how? Social circle.

I'll just throw out a quick query for you lot: How many of you have ever met with a girl from London off of a dating app, let alone it actually resulting in anything? If you have, how hot was she and was she under 25?

I'll leave it there for now.
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02-12-2019 08:24 AM
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Well analysed and well put Acquire. Totally agree.

Social Circle does help with these 23 y/o 8s for sure, being IN with the IN Crowd can help with the 8s, as they have literally limitless amount of thirsty guys and they need to find ways to filter out. It can be the difference between her thinking your a creep or flaking and her co operating.

and yeh im 33, so i have been dealing with london girls for 19 years since 2000 and i know this city very well having been born and lived here my whole life.

I will be first to say im not a social circle player, i notched 100 counts by being the lone wolf, small circle, not in with the in crowd. I couldnt care less about it, but women are largely impressionable and being popular makes you more attractive.

Going to make further comments later on as interesting angle
02-12-2019 09:43 AM
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RE: London
Yeah, I'm not much of a social circle person either. I've only been part of it because of my age and so I just naturally end up in those situations. Like if you go to university, you'll usually end up talking to this or that person, or put in some group chat, and then even if you're not involved, you end up hearing about a party going on here or there. Things that if you're outside of that, you don't usually hear about.

But the thing is, there is a silver lining to all this, which is that I personally don't think the competition is actually that strong. It's just that the access, image and social status the girls require of you is the problem for many guys. I have the image, and so I get a lot of interest from girls, but I don't entirely have the personality to match it, and that's where I end up with issues.

Also wanting to be a lone wolf with this stuff, is why many of us types end up with the foreign girls (who are arguably better anyway). But for someone who wants to try and bang that basic chick from Clapham, or the little posh totty from Mayfair, things become very difficult if you don't understand the stuff being discussed here, unless you fit the requirements anyway just by chance.

And by the way, I'm fully aware many of this is applicable to most parts of the world, especially the west.

However, as stated in my first post, in places like America, say NYC for example, no matter how cold you may think the chicks are there, you can still get a decent NYC girl in NYC easier than you could get an alright London girl in London PURELY through daygame/nightgame (zero social circle and minimal status conveyed), simply because Americans tend to have this openness that UK (and particularly London) people don't usually have at all. I would love to expand on why I think this later, but it's basically related to how much they travel and the weather.

There's other bits of the culture too that lead to this, but those two are ones I don't think many people would nod to.

Maybe someone else will figure out my point before I even get to it.
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One thing i noticed about America, as money hungry as a section of the women there are, when a regular woman likes you they let you know.
Ive had standout incidents with american women
1)black chic invited me back to hers, (just like a dude would), smashed that night
2) black chic said were fucking tonight. (we didnt in end she got too drunk)
3) black american cleaner, to be honest she wasnt bangable, she said 'damnnn, they dont make like that around here, gud lawdd (in a loud black amercian womans voice) It was funny, black americans have a openness and humour that black and mixed brits dont have.

They are bold. Been to vegas x3 times and Miami x2.

Another thing i found interesting about the USA is a female 8 will open dialogue in the same way a dude would to a dude.(on a friend tip/NON SEXUAL) They may ask for directions or where this club is, or the bathroom or whatever. There happy to talk general chit chat.

In London a lot of the 8s will never ever open dialogue, or hold any form of chit chat. ZERO openness. they wont even look at you unless they fancy you. American mixed/black girls have some humour and can hold banter. UK mixed/ black girls hold no banter. (unless they like ya)
When a London girl fancys you the doors do open, but if they dont fancy you your an alien to them.

So Aquire i understand what you mean, i am also very observant thats the basis of my game, and i can see your extremely observant with dynamics

There is a british/london reservedness mixed with rudeness that creates a bad mix.

Things ive noticed about home grown london women.
south london women are friendlier and more hospitable then women north of the river. Ive spent many nights in south london being cooked for and pampered by attractive girls from south. There also easier to smash.

East London girls are rotten, in 20 years of dating in london, i can count maybe 2 or 3 girls from east that have been good chics. Most are Entitled, non feminine, rude. My look/vibe obviously doesnt go down great in East, im probably to clean cut. No thug vibe

West girls have a different vibe, good looking girls (white, black, mixed), classier, speak well, fashionable. Have to be on top of your game, never mastered the the west london girls tbh. Ladbroke Grove, Shepherds Bush etc
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"south london women are friendlier and more hospitable then women north of the river."

Very correct.
02-13-2019 03:24 AM
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@world traveler

Ive notice this phenomena with black women. Wanted to know have you noticed this with other races?

Not sure if its a all race thing or a black female thing. i have so many great memorys in south with 6,7s and 8s with there own house. Who have hosted great evenings and ive driven back over tower bridge with a big smile on my face. My friend who is 35 has exactly the same experience. South girls are always down to get fucked. Not sure the exact reason but very noticeable different over 20 years

Never had 1 east girl do anything nice for me really in 2 decades and im around east girls all the time, east i think is actually even worse for guys, anything decent in east i find flakes, or is just indifferent. Not enough female competition
02-13-2019 04:27 AM
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RE: London
London is probably one of the toughest cities to bang/game. As a Londoner for almost all my life, I've noticed a decline in the dating scene since the arrival of tinder. I've seen girls in clubs sitting and swiping on tinder wtf.

My game is intermediate level so I do have some success but when i travel, I bang way more than I do in London with the same effort. Also, I tend to work a lot of hours (50 hours) which hampers my game. I just found the girls here have too many options.

A 6 that I banged a few times from tinder told me that she can replace me easily after we had a disagreement. She sent me a photo of her tinder match list showing 900 matches and many guys she hasn't even replied to. I replied telling her she was entitled and average... got blocked haha but these girls need someone to put them in their place.

Day game is deffo way better in London if you can handle it. Just make it a part of your daily routine and it doesn't have to become a chore. I tend to drink coffee a lot so on my way to coffee shops if I spot a cute girl I will strike up a convo. Got 2 bangs (both a 7) from this since I started doing it. One of them I still see every other week.

When I set up an experimental female tinder account I got 400+ matches waiting in 1 hour. By the end of the day, tinder was showing 1000 matches. The photo I used was a female 6... that's heavily insane. I also analysed the type of messages guys send so that it could help me form better messages and stand out when I match with women. 99% guys say something along the lines of "hey, what's up" and when you look at this from a female point of view on tinder, jt doesn't stand out especially if she is already entitled from tinder guys complimenting her.

The competition is very high because many guys including myself and friends of mine have well paying jobs (60k or above), work out and some confidence. London is doable for sure but it takes time and effort.

I would recommend London guys to travel as this can improve your aura and confidence. I got more bangs in London when I started to travel and bangwomen from other countries. This helped reduce my desire for women here so it made me more calmer in escalating and gave me a 'i don't give a fuck attitude'.

Overall, London is a good city to improve your game. It's very much a sink or swim city so if you can have even some success here, you will do well in most other countries.
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@khalid yeh its crazy, there is about 3-5% of girls that are 6-8 that are naturally submissive and dont let social media get to their head they are almost extinct though in London. Some of the 28-33 year olds naturally start submitting more as their options decrease. but they're past their best.

My Eritrean 7.5 is mid twenties and she isnt like these london girls. Naturally feminine and submissiveness.

Im off to Ethiopia in 3 weeks and i can already see how submissive and co operative the 6.5s and 7s are, all early 20s.

Will be looking for 7.5s and 8+s when i land.

My life will consist of travelling to Ethiopia, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Brazil rinse repeat and ill likely settle down/have kids with a 8 from one of these countries when i decide to which isnt any time soon. In London i just smash who gives me play, but i never chase.
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If you’re a hot 8+ native Londoner chick :

Firstly, you probably look down on anyone not also born and bred in terms of your female competition, classic English superiority trait.

Secondly, you probably care about finding somewhere secure and nice to live in London (normal for a hot girl to want this) which means trendy inner city West/North/South or hipster East but definitely not outlying areas beyond Zone 3 where it’s either an ethnic enclave or chavland. Following from that, you need a guy with a house there or ability to buy a house there.

Thirdly, a guy with a good salary is not going to get you that. Ask someone in London what is a good salary and they will probably say £50-60k. That’s not enough when these houses are £700k+. Therefore even guys with good salaries can’t actually offer her anything. I’m in Thailand and even the driver owns his own place on 25k THB per month. But in London, even top 5% earners can’t afford to live in top 50% London postcodes

Fourthly, earning a six figure salary in London in your 20s is hard, it’s not San Francisco for wages. However, there are people with this money, many foreign elites or famous or generationally wealthy

What this means is that most guys fall massively short of a native Londoner girl’s expectations. She doesn’t want to have to move out of London her hometown if she dates you and it gets serious and long term, rather just aggressively screen you out from the outset.

On the other hand, guys don’t need to put up with this as it’s not a great deal for them either. That’s why we focus on foreigners who are hotter, nicer with more reasonable expectations
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And there was me thinking that this place couldn't sink any lower...

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-...l-kingsley

"I have failed over, and over, and over again in my life, and that is why I succeed".
02-15-2019 01:50 PM
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RE: London
Just to add a little salt to the injury of this thread, Brexit will kill a London dude's opportunities to get EU girls

I totally understand why some people voted for Brexit (due to low income jobs being 'stolen' by EU workers leading to suppressed wages for years + decline of the white English working class),

BUT it will also kill a London guy's chances of getting girls. We used to import a lot of EU citizens, now they're already leaving even before the end of freedom of movement.

I was restarting tiny bit of daygaming recently in Central London after my winter break, and I definitely talked to fewer EU girls

I know I'm biased against Brexit, but some highpaying industries like finance or management consultancy will offshore London workers to the EU due to lack of passporting rights. I work in one of the highpaying industries so I've already seen a slowdown in hiring.

Also, it makes you harder to migrate to the EU/Switzerland/Norway in the future as freedom of movement will end.

For example, Switzerland offers higher disposable income than the UK for almost every job. Sure, things are expensive, but taxes are lower and rent is same as London, and you don't have to deal with crime-ridden no-go zones in London...

Back to the main point, Brexit will only make a London dude's competition for women even stiffer...


In short, Brexit ---> Hell for single London dude tard
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I don't think it will make much difference. Most Londoners aren't too interested in Eastern European women. That's just a manosphere thing.
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