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The problem with 'game' and a potential evolution to studying "charisma"
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The problem with 'game' and a potential evolution to studying "charisma"
The general problem with "game" as a whole that I've come to see is that there is a huge overabundance of different "systems", "techniques", and excessive categories like "Asian girl game", "club game", etc etc, or just specific checklists of "dos and donts" like "have money, work out, get a nice car, etc".

I'm thinking that distilling this down into a more fundamental core principle and going from there is probably better if one wants a deeper understanding of things, and broader applications than just "picking up chicks".

I spend time reading about philosophy and human nature lately; and while I don't have any perfect "system", if there's a universal principle of "attractiveness" within human nature, you could lump it under the term of "charisma".

This of course wouldn't just include a simplistic set of cliches, but would be a broader principle with more universal application, and wouldn't apply only to men with the goal of getting women, but to women as well.

While things like "looks, money, job title, possessions" can add or subtract from charisma for both sexes, there's no simplistic "list" of things which will universally work, as it's something much more fluid (e.x. the guys who get the most women usually aren't complete broke deadbeats, but they aren't always the richest guys in the world).

Likewise, charisma as a universal principle wouldn't solely be related to physical or sexual attractiveness, but would be applicable to all situations that involve influencing or leading other people's behavior, whether being a company director, a religious leader, a military commander, etc.

I think that devoting more study to charisma and its role in human history and philosophy would likely end up being more effective in the long run than just studying specific examples of "alpha males" - much like studying the actual scientific laws of physics themselves, rather than just observing certain 'instances' of it (such as gravity making an apple fall from a tree).

Since, in practice, there are many men who have charisma even if they don't always appear at a glance to be a "macho" or "alpha male" stereotype; musicians in general are a great example, since in practice, many rock stars had lots of 'groupies' like Prince or David Bowie, even though one might say they look "gay", for that matter religious leaders like Jesus and Muhammed obviously had great charisma as well even though most people wouldn't think of "Jesus" as a sex symbol.

As far as where to begin, this is hard since studying something directly from the 'source' doesn't provide easy and simple answers or 'step-by-step guides to success', but I see it as kind of like how a professional gambler thinks, versus an average Vegas better thinks; professional gamblers don't just pick a 'safe bet' that they think will work every time; they have to learn to study and analyse things and adapt to the situations around them.

So eventually if 'game' could evolve beyond just simple 'how-to' guides into more of a serious study of charisma with grounding in human history and universal applications beyond just meeting women, this might be an 'evolution' of sorts.
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08-27-2017 01:21 AM
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RE: The problem with 'game' and a potential evolution to studying "charisma"
You're on the right track: A few things I personally believe are:

1. Wherever you go, there you are.

2. If you build your life around your fears (politics, current events, media, television, hate) and not your love (beauty, love, freedom) , you'll never be able to completely live a happy life.

So in a way, you turn your back on the world, and walk the path alone, and eventually the thought of a television or news article disgust you, you begin to see how it makes people slaves of their own fears and emotions.

And after a while, there is a point where you wake up and walk outside and just smile. And then you have that charisma you're talking about, and it's not pretend, there's no script, pre-game, sets, or bullshit to memorize. You're just being you, you're happy, and enjoying life, and hoping other people are happy also. And you invite them into your world to join you.

What I say might be bullshit to many. I'm not saying it's the truth for everyone but it's the truth for myself. Life is good for me, I have charisma, I can find a woman any day I want, and I see it only getting better over time doing what I'm doing. Being happy.
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08-27-2017 01:40 AM
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RE: The problem with 'game' and a potential evolution to studying "charisma"
°Truth me told, that's exactly where game gets you once you put the work in.

For me it was having a approach a day, following the Roosh V program for 4 months straight before it became natural for me.

That was 2 years ago and I need to get back on track. I tried to manuever around because I live in a small metro but truth be told cold approach is the only way I see myself being the "alpha" I once was.

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RE: The problem with 'game' and a potential evolution to studying "charisma"
I stopped giving a fuck about being an "alpha" long ago dude.

Love yourself man, that's the biggest takeaway, love yourself, and enjoy your life the best you can.

I'm no baller, hell average at best, but I love women, I love being able to wake up and breathe another day.

Having that PMA (positive mental attitude) is a great way to go, LINUX hit's the goddamn nail on the head.

Fuck what everyone else thinks, don't compare your level of happiness to there's, EVERYONE'S definition of happiness is different.


I had 2 important things stolen from my life literally days before my birthday, I shrugged, because the material things can be replaced.

You want to know what I was upset about ? The memories with one of the items, and the memories I wanted to make with the other.

Notice I said memories and experiences, not monetary.


LINUX also mentions getting your wheels stuck in fears, the political section is filled with that, at most be aware, but don't let shit like that kill you and stress you out, there's a beautiful world out there !


I'd break down charisma as self love, self confidence, "inner game", and positivity.

Just do you, people pick up on your vibe, everyone has a initial gut feeling about someone.

I want people to say, "dude that Kaotic guy is fucking funny and good people" - and that's how people describe.


Not out of need or ego, but that my impression makes people WANT to have fun, have a good vibe, and love themselves.

That may sound like some soppy ass soy shit but think about it.


Why be miserable, anxious, stressed, worried, self loathing ?

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RE: The problem with 'game' and a potential evolution to studying "charisma"
(08-31-2017 03:05 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I stopped giving a fuck about being an "alpha" long ago dude.

Love yourself man, that's the biggest takeaway, love yourself, and enjoy your life the best you can.

Seems to me that many of the problems (beginner) men face are caused by lack of self love or self respect.

https://markmanson.net/change-your-mind

This article helped my game more than any other article ever has.

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RE: The problem with 'game' and a potential evolution to studying "charisma"
Here is something I've been thinking about for a few weeks now in regards to "game" and the learning of it.

The way people think of game in this community, and the way we talk about it, preach it, teach it, etc. is generally a set of guidelines, philosophies, and sometimes hard rules on how to interact with people around you (mainly talking about women) to get what you want out of them (mainly sex with said women).

In that regard, the "game" that we talk about is a sort of tangible thing that is necessary to aid men in maturing and becoming well-adjusted, happy-living people to where they learn they don't actually need any of these rules.

Here's the skinny: We throw around specifics like "2/3 text ratio" and "don't buy appetizers" and "be a 'dark triad alpha'" and whatever other fake-it-till-you-make it type of stuff to help personally and socially maladjusted unhappy men become who they want to be.

The secret behind the smoke and mirrors is that you do not need to be a cheapskate on dates, refrain from showing women that you are attracted to them, abstain from catching any feeling for a girl, be an asshole, give "negs," or whatever else. These are extremes that we tell the layman to help them break their years of bad habits and learn that other things are possible. Over time, with these game-rules being tried and tested, this man will temper himself and learn that just being relaxed, happy, and doing what you want and being who you are is all that is needed. A woman, a job, money, assets, and whatever else are not going to complete you or make you who you are.

This charisma you speak of is really just becoming a man of the world who learns through experience and wisdom that everything you needed to be happy was right in your own head the whole time.
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RE: The problem with 'game' and a potential evolution to studying "charisma"
(08-31-2017 03:05 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I stopped giving a fuck about being an "alpha" long ago dude.

Love yourself man, that's the biggest takeaway, love yourself, and enjoy your life the best you can.

I'm no baller, hell average at best, but I love women, I love being able to wake up and breathe another day.

Having that PMA (positive mental attitude) is a great way to go, LINUX hit's the goddamn nail on the head.

Fuck what everyone else thinks, don't compare your level of happiness to there's, EVERYONE'S definition of happiness is different.


I had 2 important things stolen from my life literally days before my birthday, I shrugged, because the material things can be replaced.

You want to know what I was upset about ? The memories with one of the items, and the memories I wanted to make with the other.

Notice I said memories and experiences, not monetary.


LINUX also mentions getting your wheels stuck in fears, the political section is filled with that, at most be aware, but don't let shit like that kill you and stress you out, there's a beautiful world out there !


I'd break down charisma as self love, self confidence, "inner game", and positivity.

Just do you, people pick up on your vibe, everyone has a initial gut feeling about someone.

I want people to say, "dude that Kaotic guy is fucking funny and good people" - and that's how people describe.


Not out of need or ego, but that my impression makes people WANT to have fun, have a good vibe, and love themselves.

That may sound like some soppy ass soy shit but think about it.


Why be miserable, anxious, stressed, worried, self loathing ?

That's what I'm saying. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. The whole worrying about alpha mentality is what I started out as. However once I worked on myself enough and my confidence mets my charisma, I became a jolly life loving mothafucka. Life hit me very hard since then but Im finally getting to a point where I'm putting one foot in front of the other and getting my shit back together
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RE: The problem with 'game' and a potential evolution to studying "charisma"
Good !

Keep at that shit !

Life can and will keep hitting you hard, but you can hit back HARDER.

Quote:Fate whispers to the warrior, "You can not withstand the storm." The warrior whispers back, "I am the storm".

Fight back, fight for life !

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