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RE: Why do you not use Steroids?
I've had a great year fitness wise (went from 280-90 down to 222, and lately my lifts have been going up quick.) Don't want to screw up a good thing.

If there were only upsides I'd say fuck it and do them anyway but there are plenty of potential side effects.

I'm sure around mid-thirties I'll be considering it (31 now.)
03-17-2019 09:33 PM
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RE: Why do you not use Steroids?
(03-08-2019 10:16 AM)S3K2 Wrote:  I use steriods, but in low doses. 500mg/test 350/tren-A and 50mg/ day of oral winny for my last cutting cycle.

-rudebwoy, an excellent way to counter high blood pressure is to donate double red blood cells. Especially on cycle. And imagine how the person will feel man or woman with your superman blood.

They key is to cycle low dose steriods and reach your fitness goals in a oonger amount of time than taking huge doese. Also, in my personal experience we keep more of the gains taking low dose gear oppsed to high dose gear. Coming off of cycle is much easier. You look much more natural coming off as well.
Ncbi released a study of no change in prostate and heart enlargement with trt and a small cycle consisting of 500mg/teste, 350mg/deca per week for 10 weeks. Have the study on my desktop, if I remember will post later when I get home.
Low dose gear ftw!

Agreed. I'm friends with a lot of older boydbuilders and they got me on low-dose cycles of things so I was building real muscle and not just bloating up a lot. I'm thankful for that because I feel like I'm always a couple weeks away from beach mode (if even) while also adding pounds here or there. I won't ever take an olympia or even an amateur show, but I look well above average all year around and I'm happy with that.

I am considering hiking dosages and shooting for true heavyweight which would be about 200 pounds at my height, but we will see. This isn't a race. This is an art.


I have a few simple rules I follow on cycles:

If my hip to shoulder ratio goes below 1.5 I know I'm getting sloppy.

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If I start having too many dietary mistakes (not prepping good, wholesome food) I know I'm getting sloppy.
03-17-2019 11:22 PM
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RE: Why do you not use Steroids?
Because I like having big nutz and cannot lie...These other bitches can't deny

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RE: Why do you not use Steroids?
I'm 22 years old, and don't feel like I'm manosphere enough yet to get on the steroid train.
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RE: Why do you not use Steroids?
I have used Testosterone in the past on and off.

Due to certain minor health reasons it isn't recommended that I use steroids now. I am perfectly happy with my libido and the size I am. TRT isn't an option.

I have never been one to use recreational drugs, but the high I got off being jacked and women grabbing me is one I will never forget.

My advice is start them as late as possible and don't get addicted, which is really the downfall of many juiceheads.

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RE: Why do you not use Steroids?
I'm afraid of my heart growing and getting heart attacks when I'm older. The evidence of this happening with exogenous testosterone in large doses seem pretty clear. A single 12 week cycle seems to be enough to grow your heart quite a bit. Would love to be proven wrong though.
09-19-2019 04:29 PM
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Too many negative side effects. I've considered going on TRT the older I've gotten, though.

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Principle really. I’m not old where my T has started declining and I still compete athletically wouldn’t be able to live myself. Might get into it when I’m 50 plus
09-20-2019 06:33 AM
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I think it's pathetic to use steroids unless you're competing at a high level.

If you don't have the discipline and work ethic to reach a respectable physique naturally, you don't deserve to have that physique period.
09-21-2019 12:33 AM
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RE: Why do you not use Steroids?
Most young guys don’t care about long term side effects.

But short term - testicular shrinkage. That sucks.

You can then take HCG to prevent that, but HCG cause gynecomastia.

Then you have to take some anti estrogen to prevent gyno.

Just doesn’t seem worth it.
09-24-2019 01:07 PM
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RE: Why do you not use Steroids?
I have been thinking of taking one or two (or three) cycles of testosterone using proper PCTs to get some permanent gains. I was wondering if it's worth the risk or not.

I would like to improve my facial aesthetics like my jaw line and better beard growth, and my body aesthetics like better bone structure, wider shoulders etc. I believe chronic drug use and health issues in my late teens and early twenties stunted a lot of growth in these areas.

For risks I am firstly thinking of the HPTA not working as well as it did previously, and permanently getting lower test levels after I'm done. This could be combated with getting on TRT, but that in itself comes with a host of other side effects (infertility, the actual need to inject yourself every week etc). The increased risk of prostate cancer also scares me slightly, as I already have prostate issues.

My natural testosterone levels are around 900-1100 ng/dl, which is in the top 5%. I still have a lot of issues with gaining muscle mass in the gym though because of chronic health issues, and from being a natural ectomorph.

But the main concern I have above all is the risk of making your heart grow. Which according to studies, seems to be inevitable and probably permanent. Testosterone in supra-physiological doses causes left ventricular hypertrophy at only 8 weeks of use, which you put you at a much greater risk of heart failure or stroke down the line.

What are your thoughts on that study? Accurate or not?
10-13-2019 09:29 AM
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Mostly it is reversible and I haven't seen any aging problems with guys who used quite excessive dosing, far more than supraphysiologic, at least. By the way, there is not an increased prostate cancer risk. There is a risk for hypercoagulability and hepatic adenomas, which can bleed, but they are rare. HDL also decreases, but most of the lipid panel stuff is bullshit, anyway. Hemoglobin will increase too.

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I am probably a naive person , but what is the point ? Just accept yourself the way God created you.
I have started some fitness / boxing etc and my muscles are growing naturally. I don't see the point in taking steroids at all. either it is to look stronger than the rest ( which denotes of a complex) or to train harder than you actually can to get more results faster ( which is assimilated to cheating , at least to something negative)
10-20-2019 06:55 AM
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