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Education vs Military
I'm usually good at finding my own way in life, however I've reached a point at which I need some proper counsel.

I've been given an opportunity to study law via an access course I've done last year. I think it's a great opportunity that could open doors later on, however I'd have to give up most of my cash in order to do so.

My housing situation may be uncertain very soon and I'd like like to have some security money on me just incase, but I can't have both. Also, I'd like to go abroad and don't know if a law degree is worth it if I don't want a career in it later on.

I have a secondary option of a generic business course at a much lower cost but it's a few tiers lower.

My main concern in all this is that education won't bring me closer to what I want in life. Since I was young I've dreamed of being a soldier and I don't want to regret not making that choice later on.

I'm in my early twenties and still have some time to go the soldier route, but I'd rather not leave it more than 3-5 more years.

I only have one day left to decide if I want to pay over 6000 for the first year of law, but is there any point if I'm gonna be infantry later on?
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RE: Education vs Military
$6000 USD for the first year of law school? Something sounds too good to be true in this.

In the US, and I presume Canada, too, law school graduates have had rocky (up and down, good and bad) employment prospects over the past seven +/- years. Again for the US, no one gets through a year of law school for a cost of $6k, the usual debt incurred (tuition plus books and expenses, and maybe R&B) is approaching $100K over three years.

You do not mention what country, and based solely on the way you phrased a few things it sounds like you are not in the US?
09-04-2017 05:27 PM
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Of course you want to be a soldier, everyone does when they're young. You want to be a bad-ass motherfucker who shows up to save the world. But truthfully, soldiering is not really like that. You're a pawn a political game of chess and the only way to win is spend day by day waiting for the clock to run out and for your contract to expire.

Go to college, enjoy your 20's, limit personal belongings, don't buy a car, don't buy a house, don't buy anything. Don't take advice from anyone around you. Apply for grants, apply for scholarships. Learn skills that will allow you to work anywhere you want. Live a good life. Stop worrying about success. Make memories. Bang bitches. Go dancing. Make the most " Fuck it, hold my beer." moments that you can. Because one day the clock runs out.
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If you have chance to build yourself nice future, do it (whatever course). Army probably won´t do it. But it depends.
You write, that degree won´t bring you to that what you want in your life. So what do you want in life?

I spent 7 years of my life on military schools and after one year of service at the unit, I am totally burnt out. I never had an idea, that my life will go this wrong way when I was sacrificing so much time into this.

But there are people, who problably enjoy this life, it really depends.
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Despite all the anti-college stuff, the right degree can set you up for a nice future. Do something hard that is in demand (IE comp sci) at a good school.

It's your job to figure out what you want to do. Best advice is to spend some time doing research online and in-mail people that do it finding someone to connect with.

Programming is good, engineering can work out well, sales if you are a people person.

I've heard too many military guys say they regretted it (see above)

I had a fucking blast in college. If you want to party in your early 20's a big school in a frat is the best place in the world to do it imo.

I did it and it worked out very well. If you can do it right you'll sleep with a ton of girls, have the time of your life, and then walk right into a very good professional career after college is over.
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Don't join the military. Trust me. I'm dying just waiting to get out. You will need to unlearn everything you've learned on this forum and in all common sense. You will be within not one but two legal confines. Stay as far the fuck away from the military as you can, tough it out and work on yourself and you'll be stronger for it. I only joined because I was offered a good job, but after circumstances changed I regret everything I did. A complete and total waste of time. Guys don't join because they want to "fight for their country," they do it because they have nothing better to do with their lives. That doesn't sound like you. Being a soldier today is fighting for the globalist interests, the banking cartels, and zionist scum, while getting lethal doses of radiation, chemicals, and frequencies that cause cancer, dementia, neurological diseases, infertility, low-T, and depression.

Work on your business, its what I was doing before I got in, and what I'm going to focus on now that I'm in transition again. Learn from others mistakes. Good luck.
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I've spoken with some family and friends today and yesterday and decided to go forward with the law course. If I play my cards right I can get an education and get keep partying and get some more girls, then join the military.

While I will be losing most of my money doing this, I think a few grand isn't too great a sum and I'll make it back before too long anyway. My mother agreed to help out with the fees so that's a plus.

I appreciate the advice posted here guys. Now back to the game forum haha.

Also for the guys advising against the military, I understand where you're coming from but I feel that like a college life it's just one of those things that you must experience instead of wondering "what if..". This is how I feel anyway.
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(09-05-2017 12:21 PM)The King Wrote:  I've spoken with some family and friends today and yesterday and decided to go forward with the law course. If I play my cards right I can get an education and get keep partying and get some more girls, then join the military.

While I will be losing most of my money doing this, I think a few grand isn't too great a sum and I'll make it back before too long anyway. My mother agreed to help out with the fees so that's a plus.

I appreciate the advice posted here guys. Now back to the game forum haha.

Also for the guys advising against the military, I understand where you're coming from but I feel that like a college life it's just one of those things that you must experience instead of wondering "what if..". This is how I feel anyway.

If you make decisions based on "feels" that will get you nowhere man. Girls, yes. Money, yes. Fitness, yes. Health, yes. Education, sure why not. Signing away your freedom to the homo-global war machine? Forget it. You want the skills of a soldier, go to a firing range, enter shooting competitions, go on a walkabout, go camping, call it a day.

I did the same route you just talked about, and if you go to college you can be making 3x as much money working elsewhere rather than as a commissioned officer while at the same time having full control of your traveling, finances, family, game-life, etc.

PM me if you want more details because I can give you the nitty gritty.
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Even if a person wants to do military, why soldier?? You say you have oppurtunity to do law school which means you have a bachelors. Even if you dont, there are myriads of career options in the USA military.

Now idk how it works for USA but for Canada, you could qualify for something that isnt cannon fodder.
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RE: Education vs Military
What about going to a military academy?

Is the GI bill enough to get through college these days?

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(09-05-2017 05:56 PM)sonoran_ Wrote:  Even if a person wants to do military, why soldier?? You say you have oppurtunity to do law school which means you have a bachelors. Even if you dont, there are myriads of career options in the USA military.

Now idk how it works for USA but for Canada, you could qualify for something that isnt cannon fodder.

If you want to study law and join up, there is the JAG Corps.

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(09-05-2017 07:12 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  What about going to a military academy?

Is the GI bill enough to get through college these days?

The Post 9/11 GI Bill is quite a legit benefit. Pays tuition, some fees, and a housing stipend for a normal uni degree or any number of certifications.
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(09-05-2017 12:21 PM)The King Wrote:  I've spoken with some family and friends today and yesterday and decided to go forward with the law course. If I play my cards right I can get an education and get keep partying and get some more girls, then join the military.

While I will be losing most of my money doing this, I think a few grand isn't too great a sum and I'll make it back before too long anyway. My mother agreed to help out with the fees so that's a plus.

I appreciate the advice posted here guys. Now back to the game forum haha.

Also for the guys advising against the military, I understand where you're coming from but I feel that like a college life it's just one of those things that you must experience instead of wondering "what if..". This is how I feel anyway.

Being someone who's done both - law school and the military - I'm a little confused about this law program. What the hell is an "access course"? It doesn't sound like you have a Bachelors degree already, assuming you are talking about the American system. BTW if you are going to college just to fuck broads and drink and walk way with a bullshit major, you're wasting your time and money (that you may not even have right now). At least try to get an education you cannot get elsewhere if you must attend the modern overpriced PC shit show that is college.

Any law school that only costs $6k is not going to get you a job, only a worthless "degree" that will actually harm your employment prospects. You're better off with an MBA from BigState U somewhere.

There are some pragmatic reasons to join the military (and I get your desire for the experience - been there, done infantry), but there are also many reasons to not join. There are even fewer reasons to go to law school.

Please elaborate on your circumstances...

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(09-04-2017 01:28 PM)The King Wrote:  I only have one day left to decide if I want to pay over 6000 for the first year of law, but is there any point if I'm gonna be infantry later on?

I wouldn't really suggest going into the military right now, what with the increasingly worse political correctness and now forced attempts (some successful) to integrate women in combat arms, especially the infantry and Ranger School. There's a reason lot of vets are getting out.

However, if you absolutely must be a soldier - do it now. Don't wait until after Law School. It's a young man's game. The only reason I'd delay going in is just to get physically fit ahead of the game - if you max out your first PT test in Basic Training (Army basic training - Marine basic training is called boot camp, and Airforce basic training is called Disney Land), for example, you could find yourself fast tracked into Ranger Regiment through the RASP program. If you know any foreign languages, see if you can take the DLPT (Defense Language Proficiency Test) for a specific langauge or DLAB (Defense Language Apptitude Battery). Do your research and figure out how you're going to game the system, because ultimately, it's gonna game you.

And for the love of God, don't just join because you want to serve your country. I'm not disaparaging an admirable motivation, but rather trying to spare you from becoming disillusioned as you discover, you serve masters* not of your choosing.

I joined for specific reasons, to accomplish specific goals, that are not sullied or diminished by the reality of military life. For that sole reason, I'm not as disillusioned or disenfranchised as many. I'm also lucky that I'm in a good spot, in a good company, with good NCOs and a good CO. So right now, I love my job. It's temporary, though.

In any case, keep us up to date on what path you choose.

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I probably should have said where I'm from to clear things up. I live in Western Europe, not gonna be specific for anonymity reasons.

The education costs are way lower here than in the US thankfully so I won't be getting into any debt. I keep my expenses low even when going out on the weekends so I've never been in debt.

My reasons for wanting to join the military are more for myself than anything else, it's definately not for a sense of patriotism as Europe already went to shit a long time ago. I want to experience challenges and hardship that will allow me to better tackle important things later on in life. My aim will be special forces or infantry squad leader.
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(09-06-2017 03:22 AM)The King Wrote:  I probably should have said where I'm from to clear things up. I live in Western Europe, not gonna be specific for anonymity reasons.

The education costs are way lower here than in the US thankfully so I won't be getting into any debt. I keep my expenses low even when going out on the weekends so I've never been in debt.

My reasons for wanting to join the military are more for myself than anything else, it's definately not for a sense of patriotism as Europe already went to shit a long time ago. I want to experience challenges and hardship that will allow me to better tackle important things later on in life. My aim will be special forces or infantry squad leader.

Makes a lot more sense now.

I don't have a handle on foreign militaries, their culture (pozzed or not pozzed), or how they're received in the public eye, except for Germany, where I would only recommend going into the military to be infantry, to gain useful skills for when that powderkeg they call Europe blows a third time.

Otherwise, whatever makes sense to you.

All the best.

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(09-06-2017 03:22 AM)The King Wrote:  I probably should have said where I'm from to clear things up. I live in Western Europe, not gonna be specific for anonymity reasons.

The education costs are way lower here than in the US thankfully so I won't be getting into any debt. I keep my expenses low even when going out on the weekends so I've never been in debt.

My reasons for wanting to join the military are more for myself than anything else, it's definately not for a sense of patriotism as Europe already went to shit a long time ago. I want to experience challenges and hardship that will allow me to better tackle important things later on in life. My aim will be special forces or infantry squad leader.

Ah, no wonder your education path sounded a bit different. Less risk for you there, but still have to wonder how much opportunity there is in the legal field for you in western Europe.

If you're interested in that kind of military experience, you should consider the French Foreign Legion. It can't be any worse than regular western European militaries, and last I checked they don't allow women - and certainly not trannies - to serve.

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Have you considered joining the Reserves or Territorial s? You get the military experience without the soul crushing reality of full time military service. On another note, what is the employment rate for law graduates like in your country?
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Get into the tower industry.

You'll get to be a badass, make more money, build muscles, be outdoors, travel, have a real career, and won't be stuck in the military.
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(09-04-2017 05:51 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Of course you want to be a soldier, everyone does when they're young. You want to be a bad-ass motherfucker who shows up to save the world. But truthfully, soldiering is not really like that. You're a pawn a political game of chess and the only way to win is spend day by day waiting for the clock to run out and for your contract to expire.

Go to college, enjoy your 20's, limit personal belongings, don't buy a car, don't buy a house, don't buy anything. Don't take advice from anyone around you. Apply for grants, apply for scholarships. Learn skills that will allow you to work anywhere you want. Live a good life. Stop worrying about success. Make memories. Bang bitches. Go dancing. Make the most " Fuck it, hold my beer." moments that you can. Because one day the clock runs out.

Even when you know that you are a cog in the machine as a soldier I would not mind joining. I was in a program for military academy cadets. Ultimately I decided against the path for different reasons - I did not like the restriction/lack of freedom.

Nowadays the main reason why I would not join the military are frankly the enforced vaccines. But there are ways on how to get a permanent exemption - if you are healthy the only way is to bribe/convince a doctor that any further vaccine will endanger your life. Bribing will be easier than convincing.

And there are jobs in the armed forces that are absolutely worth almost anything - combat pilot for example. But as Linux noted - you will be asked to do questionable things. Don't believe in the patriotism bullshit. You are a mercenary who is given fake reasons, but being a merc is not that bad either - ancient honorable profession.
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Honestly, this is something that needs a good conversation with someone on here.

Look around. There's a lot of posts from guys who got fucked by either "education", the military, or both.

Here's where you need to do so some honest self assessment. Quite simply, FUCK whatever you think is "cool" or best for your ego. There's plenty of ways of being a hardass that don't require joining the military (e.g. volunteer fire department/boxing amateur) and plenty of ways to be educated/tech smart that don't require college.


What you need to look at is what skills do you want to build, and then assess the best way to build those skills. For some people that WILL be the military: going that route can open up scholarship and training opportunities that you wouldn't be able to get otherwise. Example is I know a few guys who went into specialized fields or used the benefits to finance degrees they could not have afforded otherwise.

However keep in mind two things. The military isn't as much of a benefit as it's hyped up to be, and in many fields (especially law/business/liberal arts) a university degree is in and of itself worthless. It is the "preftige" of your school that counts.

Don't believe me? Head on over to Wall Street Oasis and look at all the posts from extremely smart kids at regional schools who can't even get their foot in the door while ivy-league kids with only a passing familiarity with the industry sail right in. And that is absolutely nothing compared to getting into law.

Sit down and figure out what the game plan is, then weigh which path has the best odds of getting you there.
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If you want to join the military to be a "badass," then please pick an MOS (military occupation specialty) that is combat arms. Being a fueler or desk clerk isn't badass. However, keep in mind that as much as you think it is going to be pulling triggers and shooting terrorists in the face, it is probably going to be a majority of mopping floors and doing guard shifts to monitor radios.
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