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Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
Hello fellow RVFers

I have a buddy who wants to debate me on BLM* and other issues but as of now BLM.

I am having trouble finding a reliable source that Eric Holder stopped tracking race crime statistics after 2012 as Jared Taylor has stated in a interview with Gavin Mcinnes (I assume he is right, I can never find race crime stats for the gov after 2012.)

Also, I can't find the bottom line FBI study that shows whites are more likely to be killed by cops than blacks in proportion to the crime they commit. I found this Washington Times article but I would like a better source


*BLM= Black Lives Matter

I think this can be the start of a good thread to convince friends/family who are on the fence to convince them to vote Republican, a party that has policy that reflects the neomasculinity views better.

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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
Not sure if this will help. Are you looking for something like this (via GotNews)?
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(10-03-2017 08:43 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  Not sure if this will help. Are you looking for something like this (via GotNews)?
I saw that but Charles C Johnson has a bad rep. As do many red pillers but I'm not going down that rabbit hole with this debate. I would just rather find the bottom line data/source. For example Wikipedia describes Charles as follows

"Charles Carlisle "Chuck" Johnson is the owner of the websites GotNews.com and WeSearchr.com. He has written two books. Johnson is frequently described as an internet troll. He periodically makes false and unsubstantiated claims."

Wikipedia does have a point. Gotnews didn't cite any reliable news source. Like Breitbart/ROK/Daily Wire does.

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(10-03-2017 08:48 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  
(10-03-2017 08:43 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  Not sure if this will help. Are you looking for something like this (via GotNews)?
I saw that but Charles C Johnson has a bad rep. As do many red pillers but I'm not going down that rabbit hole with this debate. I would just rather find the bottom line data/source. For example Wikipedia describes Charles as follows

"Charles Carlisle "Chuck" Johnson is the owner of the websites GotNews.com and WeSearchr.com. He has written two books. Johnson is frequently described as an internet troll. He periodically makes false and unsubstantiated claims."

Wikipedia does have a point. Gotnews didn't cite any reliable news source. Like Breitbart/ROK/Daily Wire does.

Yeah, I agreed. Honestly, it's hard to find real statistics because of what the Obama Administration did when they ran this country for 8 years.

What about Ben Shapiro's videos? Like this one.




There are a lot of Ben Shapiro's videos on "debunking" BLM on Youtube.
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(10-03-2017 08:24 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  Hello fellow RVFers

I have a buddy who wants to debate me on BLM* and other issues but as of now BLM.

I am having trouble finding a reliable source that Eric Holder stopped tracking race crime statistics after 2012 as Jared Taylor has stated in a interview with Gavin Mcinnes (I assume he is right, I can never find race crime stats for the gov after 2012.)

Also, I can't find the bottom line FBI study that shows whites are more likely to be killed by cops than blacks in proportion to the crime they commit. I found this Washington Times article but I would like a better source

*BLM= Black Lives Matter

I think this can be the start of a good thread to convince friends/family who are on the fence to convince them to vote Republican, a party that has policy that reflects the neomasculinity views better.


Pretty sure one of the bigger U.S. gov. agencies has stats detailing deaths & or gun deaths by race.
There being no surprise with ChiRaq in play for eg., that most black deaths are at the hands of other blacks.

Search for American homicide / gun death stats.
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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
(10-03-2017 09:01 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  
(10-03-2017 08:24 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  Hello fellow RVFers

I have a buddy who wants to debate me on BLM* and other issues but as of now BLM.

I am having trouble finding a reliable source that Eric Holder stopped tracking race crime statistics after 2012 as Jared Taylor has stated in a interview with Gavin Mcinnes (I assume he is right, I can never find race crime stats for the gov after 2012.)

Also, I can't find the bottom line FBI study that shows whites are more likely to be killed by cops than blacks in proportion to the crime they commit. I found this Washington Times article but I would like a better source

*BLM= Black Lives Matter

I think this can be the start of a good thread to convince friends/family who are on the fence to convince them to vote Republican, a party that has policy that reflects the neomasculinity views better.


Pretty sure one of the bigger U.S. gov. agencies has stats detailing deaths & or gun deaths by race.
There being no surprise with ChiRaq in play for eg., that most black deaths are at the hands of other blacks.

Search for American homicide / gun death stats.

I'm able to find that but I specifically can't find a source proving Eric Holder deciding to stop tracking racial statistics in crime.

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10-03-2017 09:50 PM
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The Red Pill Burns Like Poison
"Swallowing the red pill burns like poison" - approximate quote of Aurini

I would try introducing your friend to someone like Tucker Carlson.

I was compelled to the red pill - even before puberty I was purplish. I was an INTJ who through unusual circumstances got some (thankfully PG to light R rated) early glimpses of the abyss. As a result, I was able to swallow the red pill with a minimum of pain, like I suspect most rvforum members did. As well, I did so gladly since it provided me with the clarity that I craved.

Most people aren't like that.

Guys like Tucker Carlson and Adam Carolla are probably the best way to go for those who are not like us. No, they don't go all the way, but most people can't do so immediately.
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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
^ Fuck that. Stick it up his arse, literarily, & give him a copy of Milo's 'Dangerous'.
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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
Every single time I've tried to red pill a friend of mine, it has backfired, and I've lost that friend, and all of his social network along with him. I've tried different techniques from hiding the bitter pill inside yummy candies to using urethral suppositories without any lubricant but no luck so far. I haven't tried red pilling anyone in two years and I don't plan trying in the future.

Want my advice? Don't try to red pill anyone, and keep politics, sex, and religion out of your conversations with people whose opinions you aren't sure about. Unless of course you don't care about losing friends and/or becoming "that guy".

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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
FWIW Wikipedia is fully SJW-converged so there will always be right-wingers getting trashed on there.

Black Pigeon Speaks videos are worth considering. He also used to list all his references in the notes. Not sure if he still does.
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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
The last memorable BLM exposing stats I came upon (August?) were the two factoids that unarmed black male deaths at the hands of cops were 16 (in some recent year) - or about the proportion of annual black deaths by lightning strikes in the US. And that black males were 9 times more likely to resist arrest than whites. (Cause and consequences?)

MORE germane to your quest is this: I haven't checked out the relevant LINKS here, but I just ran across a this sourced list -

Quote:https://www.bjs.gov/content... [LINK IN ORIGINAL]
Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2006 Statistical Tables:
Table 42, Percent distribution of single-offender victimizations, based on race of victims, by type of crime and perceived race of offender, "Crimes of Violence" (rape, robbery, assault and murder):

-Black against White "Crimes of Violence" (rape, robbery, assault and homicide) were 7 times more than White against Black.
-There were 32,442 Black against White rape crimes.
-There were fewer than ten White against Black rape crimes.
-There were 23,937 Black against White "Property Taken With Injury" crimes.
-There were fewer than ten White against Black "Property Taken With Injury" crimes.

Table 48 identifies the race of "multiple offender" (gangs) and the race of their victim/s involved in "Crimes of Violence":


-Violent crimes: In 2008 there were 147,749 arrests of Black gang members for committing violent crimes against White victim/s; there were fewer than ten arrests of White gang members for committing violent crime against Black victim/s.


[Obama's "justice" department (Eric Holder) stopped identifying the race of gangs in 2008]

7/8/16 pewresearch.org [LINK IN ORIGINAL]65% of African-Americans support BLM protesters.
9/5/16 pbs.org [LINK IN ORIGINAL]85% of African-American young adults support BLM protesters.

SOURCE
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/10/02/...3548097625

I believe the actual hard data cites will require a bit of sleuthing for you.
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(10-03-2017 08:48 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  
(10-03-2017 08:43 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  Not sure if this will help. Are you looking for something like this (via GotNews)?
I saw that but Charles C Johnson has a bad rep. As do many red pillers but I'm not going down that rabbit hole with this debate. I would just rather find the bottom line data/source. For example Wikipedia describes Charles as follows

"Charles Carlisle "Chuck" Johnson is the owner of the websites GotNews.com and WeSearchr.com. He has written two books. Johnson is frequently described as an internet troll. He periodically makes false and unsubstantiated claims."

Wikipedia does have a point. Gotnews didn't cite any reliable news source. Like Breitbart/ROK/Daily Wire does.

GotNews gives tons of BJS links in that article. Not sure what else you need?

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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
I think a better approach is to awaken him to humans' 'appeal to authority' instinct and how people in positions of power and authority are not averse to manipulating the masses.
Show him part 1 of 'The Century of the Self'.
If the 'torches of freedom' section does not awaken something inside your friend, then there is no hope for the guy and don't waste any more time in trying to red pill him.
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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
What's wrong with official government statistics on race and crime until 2012? or race and IQ?

All you need to do is show him the statistics and leave it at that. If he refuses to believe it then you were never going to red pill him anyway.

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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
Show your pal this presentation from Dr. Richard Johnson criminologist from the University of Toledo - http://files.ctctcdn.com/00648888001/53d...c1ce5e.pdf

Then see if he accepts/argues. If he does not, let it alone. There is no point continuing the discussion. If he does not want to hear it, he will not.
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(10-04-2017 03:54 AM)Samseau Wrote:  
(10-03-2017 08:48 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  
(10-03-2017 08:43 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  Not sure if this will help. Are you looking for something like this (via GotNews)?
I saw that but Charles C Johnson has a bad rep. As do many red pillers but I'm not going down that rabbit hole with this debate. I would just rather find the bottom line data/source. For example Wikipedia describes Charles as follows

"Charles Carlisle "Chuck" Johnson is the owner of the websites GotNews.com and WeSearchr.com. He has written two books. Johnson is frequently described as an internet troll. He periodically makes false and unsubstantiated claims."

Wikipedia does have a point. Gotnews didn't cite any reliable news source. Like Breitbart/ROK/Daily Wire does.

GotNews gives tons of BJS links in that article. Not sure what else you need?
I can prove that the data is no existent. But I want to prove Eric Holder is responsible

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^ What difference does it make? BLM is based on the false premise that Blacks are suffering more from "systemic racism" as opposed to their own dysfunctional matriarchal communities:


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RE: Trying to Red Pill a buddy of mine. Need help finding sources
Black unarmed death by cop is comparably less than odds of death by a lightning strike?

The comparison was made by radio talk show host Larry Elder (a libertarian in SoCal):
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...35123.html

Another recent piece, only weeks ago, running down the data appeared in National Review:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/45...tually-say

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