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RE: The #MeToo thread
The hysteria around #MeToo will end only when the inevitable consequences it inflicts upon women - in terms of lost career opportunities, workplace segregation, and the like - become too much to bear for them.

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12-03-2018 03:28 PM
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(12-03-2018 03:28 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  The hysteria around #MeToo will end only when the inevitable consequences it inflicts upon women - in terms of lost career opportunities, workplace segregation, and the like - become too much to bear for them.

No no no you bigot, not so fast with your misogynist thoughts.

Then it will become SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION you pig !

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RE: The #MeToo thread
Linkedin is desperately trying to spin the Bloomberg article.

The original article emphasized the fear men have of false accusations, while the Linkedin heading on the same article reads:

"Wall Street tries to sidestep #MeToo
Updated 24 minutes ago

In trying to avoid sexual harassment accusations, Wall Street executives risk backing into sex-discrimination complaints, all over again, say some experts. Hedge funds, banks, private equity firms and others have been crafting informal strategies that tend to isolate women further in an industry that thrives on mentorship, according to Bloomberg."

linkedin.com/feed/news/wall-street-tries-to-sidestep-metoo-3562113/

(((Some experts))) are apparently not happy that men are looking out for themselves.

The best part is, this is impossible for feminists to stop. Discrimination lawsuits are difficult to prove, and have a very low payout. Every individual man now has a reason to cooperate in freezing women out of every possible aspect of their business.

The only way for women to make themselves safe to work with is to voluntarily surrender any protections they once had. A self own of this magnitude is just completely breathtaking, and I didn't think it would be possible.

Women turned office politics into a life and death game of minesweeper. Men finally appear to have the good sense to stop playing.
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Wall street I think has always been a little more red pill than the mainstream due to the cut throat nature of the business even though they front a progressive agenda.

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Harvard being sued for sanctions that punish students who join single-sex social organizations:

https://standuptoharvard.org/about/
12-03-2018 05:35 PM
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(12-03-2018 05:01 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  Wall street I think has always been a little more red pill than the mainstream due to the cut throat nature of the business even though they front a progressive agenda.

To quote the great Dick Masterson:

"Men are the purveyors of bullshit. We always will be because we’re not consumers of it, it’s that fucking simple."
12-03-2018 05:35 PM
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(12-03-2018 05:35 PM)TheBowery Wrote:  Harvard being sued for sanctions that punish students who join single-sex social organizations:
https://standuptoharvard.org/about/

Would love to know how do these women feel about the Boy Scouts being forced to let girls join.

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12-03-2018 05:51 PM
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(12-03-2018 03:09 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  Following what jeffreyjerpp posted with the full article

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-stre...00625.html

Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

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“There aren’t enough women in senior positions to bring along the next generation of women all by themselves,” said Lisa Kaufman, chief executive officer of LaSalle Securities. “Advancement typically requires that someone at a senior level knows your work, gives you opportunities and is willing to champion you within the firm. It’s hard for a relationship like that to develop if the senior person is unwilling to spend one-on-one time with a more junior person.”

Law of unintended consequences strikes again. Underlined words added by me to remove the intentional ambiguity.

Quote:Men have to step up, she said, and “not let fear be a barrier.”

Interesting, even the CEO of LaSalle uses shaming language. Man up? Thank you, no. She must be fun to work for.
12-03-2018 08:44 PM
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#Me Too will only stop with the removal of those who manage it. Such as the removal of Comissar Yezhov stopped the Stalinist Great Purges of 1936-38. So perhaps when too many powerful liberals or (((())) get accused, there will be accusations against the Me Too lawyers for malpractice?

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“Everybody is fully aware of whats going and at certain times what might be embarrassing is not the act itself but the lack of reward. Going to a fat producers house to lick his balls is not embarrassing for most actresses, its the fact that they might get nothing out of it. As long as they get at a talking part that doesn't get cut they are more than happy to do it.


Exact same observations from India, Bro. This is bloddy human nature! Pamela Anderson’s views on this MeToo rubbish are so refreshing!
12-04-2018 12:08 AM
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Wall Street risk management: avoid women, especially pretty ones under 35:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...t-all-cost
12-04-2018 01:19 AM
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(12-03-2018 03:09 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  Following what jeffreyjerpp posted with the full article

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-stre...00625.html

Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

(Bloomberg) -- No more dinners with female colleagues. Don’t sit next to them on flights. Book hotel rooms on different floors. Avoid one-on-one meetings.

In fact, as a wealth adviser put it, just hiring a woman these days is “an unknown risk.” What if she took something he said the wrong way?

Across Wall Street, men are adopting controversial strategies for the #MeToo era and, in the process, making life even harder for women.

Call it the Pence Effect, after U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, who has said he avoids dining alone with any woman other than his wife. In finance, the overarching impact can be, in essence, gender segregation.

Interviews with more than 30 senior executives suggest many are spooked by #MeToo and struggling to cope. “It’s creating a sense of walking on eggshells,” said David Bahnsen, a former managing director at Morgan Stanley who’s now an independent adviser overseeing more than $1.5 billion.

This is hardly a single-industry phenomenon, as men across the country check their behavior at work, to protect themselves in the face of what they consider unreasonable political correctness -- or to simply do the right thing. The upshot is forceful on Wall Street, where women are scarce in the upper ranks. The industry has also long nurtured a culture that keeps harassment complaints out of the courts and public eye, and has so far avoided a mega-scandal like the one that has engulfed Harvey Weinstein.

‘Real Loss’

Now, more than a year into the #MeToo movement -- with its devastating revelations of harassment and abuse in Hollywood, Silicon Valley and beyond -- Wall Street risks becoming more of a boy’s club, rather than less of one.

“Women are grasping for ideas on how to deal with it, because it is affecting our careers,” said Karen Elinski, president of the Financial Women’s Association and a senior vice president at Wells Fargo & Co. “It’s a real loss.”

There’s a danger, too, for companies that fail to squash the isolating backlash and don’t take steps to have top managers be open about the issue and make it safe for everyone to discuss it, said Stephen Zweig, an employment attorney with FordHarrison.

“If men avoid working or traveling with women alone, or stop mentoring women for fear of being accused of sexual harassment,” he said, “those men are going to back out of a sexual harassment complaint and right into a sex discrimination complaint.”

Channeling Pence

While the new personal codes for dealing with #MeToo have only just begun to ripple, the shift is already palpable, according to the people interviewed, who declined to be named. They work for hedge funds, law firms, banks, private equity firms and investment-management firms.

For obvious reasons, few will talk openly about the issue. Privately, though, many of the men interviewed acknowledged they’re channeling Pence, saying how uneasy they are about being alone with female colleagues, particularly youthful or attractive ones, fearful of the rumor mill or of, as one put it, the potential liability.

A manager in infrastructure investing said he won’t meet with female employees in rooms without windows anymore; he also keeps his distance in elevators. A late-40-something in private equity said he has a new rule, established on the advice of his wife, an attorney: no business dinner with a woman 35 or younger.

The changes can be subtle but insidious, with a woman, say, excluded from casual after-work drinks, leaving male colleagues to bond, or having what should be a private meeting with a boss with the door left wide open.

‘Not That Hard’

On Wall Street as elsewhere, reactions to #MeToo can smack of paranoia, particularly given the industry’s history of protecting its biggest revenue generators.

“Some men have voiced concerns to me that a false accusation is what they fear,” said Zweig, the lawyer. “These men fear what they cannot control.”

There are as many or more men who are responding in quite different ways. One, an investment adviser who manages about 100 employees, said he briefly reconsidered having one-on-one meetings with junior women. He thought about leaving his office door open, or inviting a third person into the room.

Finally, he landed on the solution: “Just try not to be an asshole.”

That’s pretty much the bottom line, said Ron Biscardi, chief executive officer of Context Capital Partners. “It’s really not that hard.”

In January, as #MeToo was gathering momentum, Biscardi did away with the late-night, open-bar gathering he’d hosted for years in his penthouse suite during Context Capital’s annual conference at the Fontainebleau Miami Beach. “Given the fact that women are in the minority at our events, we want to make sure that the environment is always welcoming and comfortable. We felt that eliminating the after-party was necessary to remain consistent with that goal.”

In this charged environment, the question is how the response to #MeToo might actually end up hurting women’s progress. Given the male dominance in Wall Street’s top jobs, one of the most pressing consequences for women is the loss of male mentors who can help them climb the ladder.

“There aren’t enough women in senior positions to bring along the next generation all by themselves,” said Lisa Kaufman, chief executive officer of LaSalle Securities. “Advancement typically requires that someone at a senior level knows your work, gives you opportunities and is willing to champion you within the firm. It’s hard for a relationship like that to develop if the senior person is unwilling to spend one-on-one time with a more junior person.”

Men have to step up, she said, and “not let fear be a barrier.”

(Adds detail on industry history in 15th paragraph.)

--With assistance from Max Abelson and Sonali Basak.

To contact the reporters on this story: Gillian Tan in New York at [email protected];Katia Porzecanski in New York at [email protected]

From what I gather, the Bloomberg article posted earlier is sending shockwaves through the world of finance. It was written by Gillian Tan, who is a senior finance writer -- not an upstart from a place like Buzzfeed.

But both the Bloomberg and Yahoo articles fail to mention something that I'm sure has been discussed on Wall St. -- third party complaints. That's when you're a man mentoring a younger woman and another (i.e. older) woman in the office takes issue with the working relationship and decides to go to HR.

This scenario went on several times in the newspaper offices where I worked. It was generally older women (with names like "Nan" and "Brenda") complaining that male manager were spending too much time helping younger women (with names like "Amber" and "Katelyn"). I'm sure such complaints happen even more now.

This is yet another unspoken element of #metoo. Might not play big in the press, but it definitely matters in the office and you can bet Wall St. men are covering their asses when it comes to it.
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NYT Opinion Section strikes a blow against #MeToo and the college witch hunt tribunals:

"I’m a Democrat and a Feminist. And I Support Betsy DeVos’s Title IX Reforms.
There is an uncomfortable truth in the current system. No one wants to talk about it."


nytimes.com/2018/12/04/opinion/-title-ix-devos-democrat-feminist.html

The article is a lengthy rant about how unfair the process is, with a focus on how black men are most likely to be unjustly hurt by it, which is probably true.

The real gold is the comments section:

"Why is a pseudo criminal justice system being used - new or old - on college campuses to begin with? Sexual assault and rape of someone of any gender are crimes of violence and control, not crimes against equal opportunity. Anything that would normally go to an HR department - like being overlooked for a promotion because of gender-that makes sense to refer to title IX at the university level. But a crime of physical violence? That belongs with the criminal justice system, the real criminal justice system."

"The issue is not whether the accused is black, a "Dreamer," homeless (a homeless university student? The school should be ashamed!) or "trans." The issue is that rapes should be reported to the police, THEN to the university. The university should work closely with the police and until the charges are adjudicated by the LEGAL SYSTEM, make sure that the complainant and the accused are separated on campus. The courts can assist by granting orders of protection."

"This issue made me, until recently a lifelong Democrat, seriously consider voting for Trump 2 years ago. It is APPALLING that the left has allowed feminists to go so insanely overboard on this issue. It’s very similar to the way the ACLU and the Southern Poverty Law Center have become unprincipled but woke feminist operations.

Stop it Democrats or we’re gonna have 8 years of this clown."
12-05-2018 03:32 PM
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(12-04-2018 01:19 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Wall Street risk management: avoid women, especially pretty ones under 35:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...t-all-cost

This is the catch-22.

Quote:"If men avoid working or traveling with women alone, or stop mentoring women for fear of being accused of sexual harassment,” he said, “those men are going to back out of a sexual harassment complaint and right into a sex discrimination complaint."

Quote:Finally, he landed on the solution: “Just try not to be an asshole.”

Which is, of course, NOT a solution since it's based purely on subjective feelings on how one is treated. You can't criminalize being annoyed by someone the way #MeToo wants.
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(12-05-2018 04:05 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
Quote:Finally, he landed on the solution: “Just try not to be an asshole.”

Which is, of course, NOT a solution since it's based purely on subjective feelings on how one is treated. You can't criminalize being annoyed by someone the way #MeToo wants.
I agree, I recently became aware of a man who was accused of sexual harassment by a younger girl he was mentoring, he knocked it out of the park (her story didn't add up) and he since stated under no uncertain terms did he ever wish to work with a young woman again, he hasn't.

At the time it was advised she be dismissed for making career ruining false claims before she can do it to another person, she wasn't and what do you know, she did it again only she picked a senior partner and accused him of sexual assault in a room full of cameras which showed her coming on to him, he clearly rebuffing her advances and the only physical contact was related to pushing her out the way of the door so he could exit.

The dumb whore was brutally shut down in an internal investigation, she lost her job, has had her name bad mouthed around the city and is nowhere to be found (her LinkedIn is deactivated), moral of the story is don't be a dumb slut looking for an easy payday.

Since hearing this, I refuse to work with women or rather girls, it's always the young ones, I've worked with older women who are just as bad, if not worse, than some of the older guys with the grab ass culture tard
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