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(10-12-2017 03:35 PM)Agastya Wrote:  What is liberal white culture?

Original white liberal culture is stuff like surfing, smoking pot, psychedelic music, music festival, peace-movement, backpacking, the entire hippie movement etc.
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It's actually pretty sad imagining what it's like for this kid.

Mum hates white people.
I'm white.
Mum hates me.

"I wish I wasn't white", is the kid saying, "I wish I was someone you could actually love."
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(10-12-2017 08:16 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 03:35 PM)Agastya Wrote:  What is liberal white culture?

Original white liberal culture is stuff like surfing, smoking pot, psychedelic music, music festival, peace-movement, backpacking, the entire hippie movement etc.

Makes sense, I feel like all this stuff has been bastardized in the modern day though. Peace movement getting replaced with bull shit voluntourism, good rock n roll with shitty EDM like the Project X soundtrack. Things like surfing also aren't unique to white liberals while things like barn dances are for conservatives.
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(10-12-2017 08:16 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 03:35 PM)Agastya Wrote:  What is liberal white culture?

Original white liberal culture is stuff like surfing, smoking pot, psychedelic music, music festival, peace-movement, backpacking, the entire hippie movement etc.

That's actually the thing - none of those things (even when taken together) can be called culture, simply because they've only been around for 30-60 years, which makes them trends at best.

For example, hunting has been around for millennia and could feasibly form a phrase such as "hunting culture", "martial culture", "self-sufficiency culture", "animal culture" or any other narrow or wide form of "culture". Backpacking? Surfing? Music festivals? None of those things qualify. They're mere trends, drifting alone in an ocean of other trends unconnected to each other, waxing and waning in popularity depending on random factors. They have no permanency needed to be considered culture.

Culture is by very definition something that has stood the test of time and represents an integral part of a community. That doesn't mean it can't change or expand, of course, but until those changes accumulate a few centuries under their belts, they simply don't count.

Thus, the poor liberal girl is correct: she has no culture. She is a cultural orphan, callously abandoned by her parents and society in a world of increasingly insane trends.

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(10-12-2017 09:50 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's actually pretty sad imagining what it's like for this kid.

Mum hates white people.
I'm white.
Mum hates me.

"I wish I wasn't white", is the kid saying, "I wish I was someone you could actually love."

Please don't inspire white people to write blogs like that Longingfordeath hapa.

I can't read any more of that.
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(10-13-2017 05:47 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:16 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 03:35 PM)Agastya Wrote:  What is liberal white culture?

Original white liberal culture is stuff like surfing, smoking pot, psychedelic music, music festival, peace-movement, backpacking, the entire hippie movement etc.

That's actually the thing - none of those things (even when taken together) can be called culture, simply because they've only been around for 30-60 years, which makes them trends at best.

For example, hunting has been around for millennia and could feasibly form a phrase such as "hunting culture", "martial culture", "self-sufficiency culture", "animal culture" or any other narrow or wide form of "culture". Backpacking? Surfing? Music festivals? None of those things qualify. They're mere trends, drifting alone in an ocean of other trends unconnected to each other, waxing and waning in popularity depending on random factors. They have no permanency needed to be considered culture.

Culture is by very definition something that has stood the test of time and represents an integral part of a community. That doesn't mean it can't change or expand, of course, but until those changes accumulate a few centuries under their belts, they simply don't count.

Thus, the poor liberal girl is correct: she has no culture. She is a cultural orphan, callously abandoned by her parents and society in a world of increasingly insane trends.

No, it is definitely culture.

What you're thinking of is tradition.

Tradition is a time tested form of culture.

Lefties have no tradition.
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(10-12-2017 08:13 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  America has a culture, liberals have just been busy decrying it as racist, sexist, white supremacist, or simple "modern international culture".

What you see is distinctly American, not simply modern, generic, culture. Everywhere around the world where you see people playing basketball, wearing a white T-shirt, jeans, and sneakers, that's American. And that's just the superficial side; the can-do attitude, the pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps, "if you want something done right, sometimes you have to do it yourself resolve and attitude, that's as American as it gets. Travel the world and you'll see that.

I think part of the problem is that American culture is so successful.
It has become the dominant influence on global culture.

This makes it really hard to identify with it and claim it as your own, since nowadays it is so ubiquitous that it is not distinctive anymore.

Other nations and peoples around the world adopt large parts of American culture, but they still have their own cultures to fall back on if they feel like it. Americans don't have this option. It's the price you pay for being an empire. If everyone lives life the American way, it is not American anymore.

By the way, one other example I can think of is the corporate culture. Ever noticed how they entire world is basically doing business the American way?
People all over the world wear suits to work, bitch about the HR department, create yearly accounts, try to find niches to market products and fulfill consumer demands, look at the stockmarkets and trade derivatives, have a board of executives and an organization with distinctive departments with various responsibilities, have legal departments that draft complicated written contracts and sue each other, hire consultants, optimize their supply chains, etc.
Yes, how else would it be, it is all self-evident and obvious and natural.
But is it really?
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Something just doesn't add up about this story; the woman was born in 1965 making her 52 years old and we are supposed to believe that she conceived and gave birth to a healthy child at the age of 47????

Either adopted or the result of repeated expensive ( because of the miscarrys ) IVF.

I smell " career woman can have children late" style of BS feminist propaganda. The rest is degenerate liberal virtue signalling.
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(10-13-2017 06:38 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:13 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  America has a culture, liberals have just been busy decrying it as racist, sexist, white supremacist, or simple "modern international culture".

What you see is distinctly American, not simply modern, generic, culture. Everywhere around the world where you see people playing basketball, wearing a white T-shirt, jeans, and sneakers, that's American. And that's just the superficial side; the can-do attitude, the pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps, "if you want something done right, sometimes you have to do it yourself resolve and attitude, that's as American as it gets. Travel the world and you'll see that.

I think part of the problem is that American culture is so successful.
It has become the dominant influence on global culture.

This makes it really hard to identify with it and claim it as your own, since nowadays it is so ubiquitous that it is not distinctive anymore.

Other nations and peoples around the world adopt large parts of American culture, but they still have their own cultures to fall back on if they feel like it. Americans don't have this option. It's the price you pay for being an empire. If everyone lives life the American way, it is not American anymore.

By the way, one other example I can think of is the corporate culture. Ever noticed how they entire world is basically doing business the American way?
People all over the world wear suits to work, bitch about the HR department, create yearly accounts, try to find niches to market products and fulfill consumer demands, look at the stockmarkets and trade derivatives, have a board of executives and an organization with distinctive departments with various responsibilities, have legal departments that draft complicated written contracts and sue each other, hire consultants, optimize their supply chains, etc.
Yes, how else would it be, it is all self-evident and obvious and natural.
But is it really?

Exactly.

White American culture has become so globally dominant that people don't even realize it permeates everything from Siberia to the Amazon.
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^This is true, but I definitely think that white liberalism is easily the most debased offshoot of white American culture, which itself has been watered down by a number of factors:

- Most white Americans are hybrids of several different European ethnicities -- any unique features have been blended out of their collective culture. All that remains is a pretty generic variety of a broader American culture that people of all races anyway participate in.

- The breakdown of the family in white America (mostly in liberal areas)

-The proliferation of frivolous bullshit trends like extreme hedonism and voluntourism -- both of which became the almost exclusive domain of liberal white women.

-The media screaming about how racist white people are and how they need to check their privilege.
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(10-12-2017 04:37 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  Between this kid saying this, and the other day when my six year old nephew told me that Trump putting a six month stall on rescinding DACA was a genius move because it forces the Democrats to fall back again on identity politics instead of focusing on meaningful economic reform for the crucial 2018 midterm elections, I just gotta say kids are getting like super smart these days!

That is pretty smart for a six year old!

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(10-13-2017 11:56 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 04:37 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  Between this kid saying this, and the other day when my six year old nephew told me that Trump putting a six month stall on rescinding DACA was a genius move because it forces the Democrats to fall back again on identity politics instead of focusing on meaningful economic reform for the crucial 2018 midterm elections, I just gotta say kids are getting like super smart these days!

That is pretty smart for a six year old!

Yeah what the fuck? This kid sounds like a genius.
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(10-12-2017 03:35 PM)Agastya Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 03:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  "All we've ever done is hurt people," she continues. "I wish my skin was dark and that I had a culture."

The fucked up thing is that the bolded part is actually true. What is liberal white culture? This is something that has actually confused me. Conservative whites (especially those in the south) have an actual heritage, but the white liberals who live in the California literally have nothing. The only things genuinely unique to them are certain brands of SJWism and feminism. These people aren't religious, they don't have any cultural ties to Europe (or any other part of America), and they seem to have replaced their culture with liberal ideology.

I think a big part of this might actually be miscegenation on the part of European immigrants to the states -- so intermixed that they lost most of their original cultures. Whites that call themselves Polish-Americans or Italian-Americans seem to have avoided this, but I think it explains why so many liberal whites seem devoid of any culture whatsoever

Like, what do these people even eat at dinner? I'm Indian, and regardless of the negative aspects of my culture, at least my upbringing was interesting. I have a mythology and cultural corpus to fall back on. These people have nothing except for money and liberalism.

I meet plenty of liberal whites who are nice enough people at first glance, but getting to know them better reveals a shit ton of depression and other psychological issues. I don't think it's a coincidence that this occurs in a population that has completely disowned its own roots.

The concept of "white" as a broad national/racial/ethnic identity is relatively new to the US (outside of segregated enclaves in the South), before the 1950s/60s, most people lived in cities and neighborhoods with their own ethnic enclaves, with the church and parochial schools being the glue that held the community together. They identified as Irish, Italian, Polish, German, Greek etc rather than "white".

People were pushed towards bland suburbs that didn't have the vibrant city life of the old neighborhoods. Those hoods were often altered and degraded through the mass shipping of southern blacks, with the real estate markets manipulated (phenomenon known as "blockbusting"), and urban policies like the building of massive housing projects in ethnic white neighborhoods. Those types of policies generated ethnic tensions and degraded the social fabric of both the southern transplants and the "white flight" suburbanites.

E. Michael Jones documents the busting of American neighborhoods in his book "The Slaughter of Cities", one of his many must-reads. Jones is the most underrated and sharpest intellectuals on the subject of American social engineering, among other subjects:





The dynamics in cities across the US northeast and midwest are pretty similar to the current situation in Europe, with the flood of newcomers leading to the rise of ethnic tension, they are forms of social control and social engineering. If you want to get to the bottom of Ferguson or Molenbeek, Jones' perspective is very helpful.

Excerpts from this interview (paraphrased):

"You should be able to live with people like you, the ethnic neighborhood was the America that really worked, because we all come from somewhere else, and the best way to become an American is through the ethnic neighborhood, where you retain your identity. Those neighborhoods were a new and unique construct that were American and German/Italian/Irish/etc at the same time".

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Description of the urban neighborhood, and what life was like:

"Each neighborhood had the same elements, a massive, beautiful church that rivals what you see in Europe; attractive, well-constructed housing stock that today would be worth millions, wide boulevards, large parks, old storefronts, some corner taverns.

"In one neighborhood, the priest took me to the basement of a massive church to show me a working bowling alley and an ornate bar. He had grown up in a neighborhood that was all Polish.

"He explained to me that on weekends fathers would come home from work and have dinner, then the family would head over to the church, for rosary confession then head down in the basement. The fathers would bowl, the mothers would play cards, everyone would have a few drinks, and the kids would run free.

"I know not everything was perfect, but it seemed like a wonderful life for me. When I described it to my mother, she said how do you think it was for me growing up in New York City? exactly like that!"

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(10-12-2017 03:35 PM)Agastya Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 03:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  "All we've ever done is hurt people," she continues. "I wish my skin was dark and that I had a culture."

The fucked up thing is that the bolded part is actually true. What is liberal white culture? This is something that has actually confused me. Conservative whites (especially those in the south) have an actual heritage, but the white liberals who live in the California literally have nothing. The only things genuinely unique to them are certain brands of SJWism and feminism. These people aren't religious, they don't have any cultural ties to Europe (or any other part of America), and they seem to have replaced their culture with liberal ideology.

I think a big part of this might actually be miscegenation on the part of European immigrants to the states -- so intermixed that they lost most of their original cultures. Whites that call themselves Polish-Americans or Italian-Americans seem to have avoided this, but I think it explains why so many liberal whites seem devoid of any culture whatsoever

Like, what do these people even eat at dinner? I'm Indian, and regardless of the negative aspects of my culture, at least my upbringing was interesting. I have a mythology and cultural corpus to fall back on. These people have nothing except for money and liberalism.

I meet plenty of liberal whites who are nice enough people at first glance, but getting to know them better reveals a shit ton of depression and other psychological issues. I don't think it's a coincidence that this occurs in a population that has completely disowned its own roots.

"White people have no culture"? The culture is so pervasively copied, imitated and appropriated that people don't even recognize it.

Would you feel silly dressing in traditional clothing in business meetings all around the world? We don't, because our traditional clothing IS the business suit that everyone else copies.

Education for the masses? Literacy? Universities? The English language she is complaining in? And can hear spoken in numerous places around the world?
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"White Culture" is the victim of something called "Total Brand Identification". Have you ever needed a Kleenex? The Kleenex brand has been so identified with the product, people just assume Kleenex IS the name of the product. Surprisingly, this actually hurts Kleenex marketing (because they now have a harder time differentiating from all the people copying it.).
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(10-12-2017 08:13 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  What you see is distinctly American, not simply modern, generic, culture. Everywhere around the world where you see people playing basketball, wearing a white T-shirt, jeans, and sneakers, that's American. And that's just the superficial side; the can-do attitude, the pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps, "if you want something done right, sometimes you have to do it yourself resolve and attitude, that's as American as it gets. Travel the world and you'll see that.

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I'm not American and I've never even been to the States, but this is exactly what I imagine when I think of "American values" and it's also why I have so much respect for the US.

It's interesting cause even in some parts of the Anglosphere like the UK, societies are less individualistic and people seem to have this defeatist, victim-like outlook that I simply can't stand (specially among millenials).

I always try to explain this when Europeans look down on the US, as if we were inherently superior.

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Besides shopping and consuming, what kind of culture do Americans have that unites them? Vacationing? Amazon? Music fests? Much of what we have had for the last 70 years has been shallow.

We may have "values", but do we have enough that they translate into a culture that stands on its own, regardless of place and time?

We have an identity crisis.

It's only going to get worse until real tribal bonds are formed - likely ones that transcend race, groups, and nations. In today's digital age, an identity has to bind people on not just a local level, but at a spiritual an ideological one. It has to stand on its own and be able to still retain it's core anywhere in the world. There's a reason why the Gypsies and the Jews have managed to survive and in some cases prosper in many different parts of the world, regardless of the nations and cultures they were in.

Perhaps there are some lessons that can be learned.

"Be a leader and never ever follow" That's what my father, that's what he always told me. So with those words boldly spoken, he sent me down a long and hard road.

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One thing about American culture that others have failed to mention, or skirt around, is the openness and friendliness of the people. Friendliness and hospitality is prevalent in many cultures, but it is rarely as genuine and obvious (and lacking social obligation) as it is with Americans.

Americans don't hide their personalities to others, and are very upfront and personal to everyone, from close family to complete strangers.

This makes it incredibly easy to make friends with Americans.

This heart-on-your-sleeve, exuberance and rambunctiousness is also why Americans tend to have a bit of a negative reputation when travelling overseas. They're seen as very loud, and talkative about inane topics, which tends to clash with more conservative cultures in Europe and elsewhere. Other cultures tend to guard their personal feelings a lot more in public.

This is shown countless times in caricatures of Americans travelling abroad.

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(10-17-2017 09:30 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  I always try to explain this when Europeans look down on the US, as if we were inherently superior.

No need to explain, just tell them their attitudes are the reason why their country is a vassal state to America and why their politicians tell them one thing and do another when America comes knocking.

The majority of Europeans are followers, plain and simple.
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