Post: #26

(11-20-2017 02:51 PM)Mr. Ripley Wrote:  RIP

Raped in Purgatory.

Post: #27

It's disgusting to think that taxpayers were forced to give this guy food, clothing, shelter, and medical care for nearly 50 years.

I still remember the first time I saw a video interview of him. There was definitely something in his eyes. I could tell even though I knew little of psychology or game. Manson definitely had a certain type of game.

And as bad as he was, the woman who fuck these guys are even worse.

Post: #28

(11-20-2017 02:05 AM)mickeyd Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 01:39 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Manson was red pill in his own way. He was born in the 1930s and by the 60s had a history of being in prison as a small time criminal. With his gift for gab, he could pull the wool over the eyes of a bunch of young kids who didn't know anything about life but wanted to be rebels in society. He was the street smart old man of the group educated by the prison system. He certainly was the creator of the cult and its leader.

What the fuck? He was pure filth and should have gotten the death penalty a long time ago. End of story.

As a RvF member, you should always question what the mainstream is telling you:





The end is never the end.

Post: #29

Great point CJ, I agree completely. Manson isn't at all the psycho evil figure he was portrayed. Not that he wasn't evil, but his public persona is largely a media/deep state construct.

Styx gives you the purple pill version, he's quite right in most of his takes and with a lot of the facts he states, but he doesn't give you the big picture, of Manson as a psy-op. Styx is a satanist, into the occult, which he doesn't hide, but what you have here is a satanist covering another satanist public figure, so you're not getting an objective outsider read.

The deep state built up the 1960s hippie movement to destroy traditional, morally upright, Christian, family-centric, patriarchal values, targeting the huge Boomer demographic. This was a wild success, perhaps the most successful (and most devastating) social engineering program ever undertaken, using new media, sexual liberation, music and drugs. One generation later, we're still suffering from the consequences of this. Most of our social problems derive from the damage done in that period.

So after they've spawned that successful counterculture movement, they destroyed it by injecting it with a dark, nihilist element in order to snuff out any positive things that could come out from that counterculture. This is where Manson factors in.

When you look at the early days of the protest movement (circa 1962-65), you see well-dressed young people. Smart, well-spoken, young men in suits and ties, well-groomed feminine women, cream of the crop students at Berkeley criticizing the war, constructive youth full of positive idealism. Five years later, they've turned into crazed, new age, drugged out, incoherent hippies who have "tuned in and dropped out", lost into their mind-numbing, navel-gazing, bogus esoteric eastern philosophy soups.

Society went from this:



to this:





...in the span of 4 years. This was the greatest social transformation in modern history. Antifas, women on the carousel, BLM and most other social filth can be traced directly from there.

Manson was big part of that cultural alchemy, this is the cultural context he was part of. He was the poster boy for the serial killer craze of the 60s/70s, along with other psyops like the so-called Zodiac Killer (who was most likely a made-up character). Psychotic serial killers were a common element of that period's zeitgeist, and a popular culture mainstay:


Dirty Harry bad guy

Part of what contributed to this was the injection of violence from drugged out, PTSD'd Vietnam vets with the flood of heroin from the Golden Triangle along with the first generation of designer drugs. The drugs and culture were weaponized to further degrade the late 60s culture.


British author Neil Sanders has the most thorough account of the Manson mythos covered in his new book, "Now is the only thing that is real".



Neil Sanders was featured recently in Tim Kelly's excellent podcast Our Interesting Times. They've covered a lot of ground on the Manson story (though some of that talk might be a bit out there to those who are unfamiliar with the deeper cultural and political dynamics of that era):

Post: #30

Maybe we've all been caught up in the life of a guy who is only significant due to the shock to the system of his acts.

A guy who thought he would start a race war with his Helter Skelter philosophy seems detached from reality. That's not Red Pill. There was no cultural, economic or political impact left by the guy, so... just marginally worth a thread for himself.

Post: #31

delete

Post: #32

(12-19-2017 11:59 PM)Kapanda Wrote:  Maybe we've all been caught up in the life of a guy who is only significant due to the shock to the system of his acts.

A guy who thought he would start a race war with his Helter Skelter philosophy seems detached from reality. That's not Red Pill. There was no cultural, economic or political impact left by the guy, so... just marginally worth a thread for himself.

The guy himself was just a low-level scumbag and a smarter than average con artist, but his cultural impact was actually pretty important. He became the face of the dark side of the late 60s, and this happened not because he was actually a mastermind criminal, but because his public persona was blown up and manufactured. Charles Manson was mostly a psy-op.

Check out the Neil Sanders link and video I've posted above, he's done some solid research that goes against the established narrative, digging into the deeper layers of the Manson story.

Post: #33

Can't believe I haven't posted in this thread yet.

Post: #34

(12-20-2017 11:07 AM)911 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 11:59 PM)Kapanda Wrote:  Maybe we've all been caught up in the life of a guy who is only significant due to the shock to the system of his acts.

A guy who thought he would start a race war with his Helter Skelter philosophy seems detached from reality. That's not Red Pill. There was no cultural, economic or political impact left by the guy, so... just marginally worth a thread for himself.

The guy himself was just a low-level scumbag and a smarter than average con artist, but his cultural impact was actually pretty important. He became the face of the dark side of the late 60s, and this happened not because he was actually a mastermind criminal, but because his public persona was blown up and manufactured. Charles Manson was mostly a psy-op.

Check out the Neil Sanders link and video I've posted above, he's done some solid research that goes against the established narrative, digging into the deeper layers of the Manson story.

Yeah, Manson plus the murder at the Rolling Stones concert at Altamont completely closed the door on the hippie movement in the minds of many in the U.S..

It literally went from well, they are weird, but kind of cool, and maybe they have some good ideas to:

They are all secretly evil.

It is an interesting quirk of the human mind that it would rather have certainty than actual knowledge, and it will take one or two incidents as emblems representing the whole, and treat this perception as valid and real.

I have heard the sociologists Pratkanis and Aronson of UC Santa Cruz refer to this phenomenon as being "cognitive misers."

We want to reach our conclusions about reality with as little thinking as necessary, so we let particularly vivid events and people stand in for a much larger whole.

Now imagine if you are a part of the ruling elite, and you know about this human tendency.

Now hippies are cool. Now they are evil.

You could lead a population around by the nose without them every knowing it.

Because the people talking about things like this are *conspiracy theorists* living *in their mother's basements.*

Post: #35

The truth is always shades of gray.

I'd say there's plenty of reason to look back and question the 60s counter-culture movement even if you disregard Manson and Altamont.

The 60s brought us Gloria Steinem and the what, 2nd wave of feminism was it? This ushered in the first big wave of no-fault divorce, did it not? Leading to fatherless households and the first attempt to feminize society which has, step by step, led us to our current SJW-apocalypse.

At the time, with Vietnam and all, the idea of unwavering patriotism went out of style. Now you have football players kneeling during the national anthem and people saying "not my president". In retrospect, the "greatest generation" who fought WWII and fathered the baby boomers weren't so bad after all.

BTW, all youth cultures go out of style eventually. Punk, new-wave, hair-metal, grunge, etc... The hippie stuff wasn't going to last forever even if Altamont and Manson never happened.

Post: #36

@questor70

You and I are talking about two different things.

You are talking about the actual issues of the counter-culture.

I am talking about how easy it is to manipulate people.

Post: #37

I don't believe that the hippie movement died due to a conspiracy theory, sorry.

Post: #38

(12-20-2017 02:26 PM)questor70 Wrote:  I don't believe that the hippie movement died due to a conspiracy theory, sorry.

I'd be willing to be you didn't listen to the podcast 911 posted either.