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RE: Orthodox Conversion
TheBeast1, you are right about the Germans lol! No, they probably would have not been satisfied. Interesting tidbit about Luther and his high regard for the Eastern Orthodox church. I'll have to read up more on that.

Though I somewhat differ with the western view of forensic justification, I understand the framework in which it came. I would probably be splitting hairs in making a theological distinction. Sometimes it boils down to semantics. The west typically puts more of an emphasis on the atonement and forgiveness of sin through Christ's sacrifice on the cross.

The Orthodox would concur, but also emphasize that Christ came in order to defeat the last enemy of man, the power of death itself. "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. (HEB 2:14-15)

Interesting conversation, I've been out of the loop for awhile in regards to theology and church history. I do share your optimism about being united as Christians under a banner of salvation through Christ.
12-12-2017 01:59 AM
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I personally believe, after a lifetime of studying various spiritual and philosophical systems, that there is nothing "beyond" Orthodox Christianity. It encompasses the fullness of the truth in a way which nothing else does, and every other belief system can be explained from within its context. Most importantly, there is no other religion which can claim that the Creator of the cosmos became man for us, showed us the Way to follow His laws, and live by grace and faith instead of by constant status-jockeying, "transcendental experiences," shamanistic paganism, or other such things. Christianity as a whole is the only religion in which God became man and reopened the gates of Paradise for us, and Orthodox Christianity is the proper interpretation of the faith and all that goes along with it.
01-13-2019 11:40 PM
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I'm interested in converting as well. Probably the Russian orthodox since I am also interested in marrying a russian woman who will probably want to keep her faith. But greek women are attractive too so who knows.
07-04-2019 01:31 PM
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My experience with the church is that it is very corrupt in Eastern Europe, for example it is well known how corrupt it is in serbia as well as Russia where the patriarch was caught wearing a 20k watch, which was then subsequently photo-shopped off his wrist because it was an embarrassment to the Putin administration. Make no mistake the church is firmly in step with the government to contain the more radical nationalist elements in these countries.
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07-05-2019 12:01 AM
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^ What's your point?

A guy clowns a watch and that diminishes the beauty, truth, love and grace of Jesus Christ?

Too many people are not focused on what's important.

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07-05-2019 06:12 PM
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My point is you end up with a situation like in World War II where the Catholic Church worked with the Nazis to save its hide.

The watch wasn't even the bad thing, the bad thing is that they photoshopped it out and then lied about the incident happening.

It't making a deal with the devil when the church aligns itself with the state. The state is no paragon of virtue either.
07-05-2019 06:49 PM
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(11-29-2017 10:57 PM)Dragan Wrote:  Can anyone that's orthodox give me some advise on converting, and maybe try to be devil's advocate and give me reasons why I shouldn't convert? I've been thinking about converting quite a while now (3-4 years now), and I'd love to get some perspective from someone in the church.

Don't rush into it. If you want to convert, start by going to the services and the catechism classes as often as you can.

Here's some observations, in no particular order:
- After chrismation, you will suffer the worst temptations you've ever felt. Everyone at my parish told me this, and I hoped they were exaggerating. They weren't. The demons are pissed when you join the Church, and they will try to pull you away.

- Once accepted into the Church, you have confession to keep you accountable. Admitting to God what you've done wrong with the priest witnessing is difficult but necessary. It's like having your shoulder reset: painful but you'll be glad you did.

- In the US, there are not many orthodox people and it can be really difficult to find a spouse.

- In a way it's hard, and in a way it's easy. It's easy because the path to salvation is laid out very clearly. It's hard because there's lots of fasting, you're supposed to be kind to people, there's no fornicating, everything in the Sermon on the Mount... but you're surrounded by people on the same path, and you have the example of the saints who went before you.

- Lots of people will think you're crazy. And the harder you try to fulfil Christ's commands, the more crazy people will think you are.

- One one hand, make very sure you're serious before you join. On the other hand, to quote Fr. Seraphim Rose, "It's later then you think. Hasten therefore to do the work of God."
07-05-2019 09:42 PM
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(07-05-2019 06:49 PM)Lost in Transfiguration Wrote:  My point is you end up with a situation like in World War II where the Catholic Church worked with the Nazis to save its hide.

The watch wasn't even the bad thing, the bad thing is that they photoshopped it out and then lied about the incident happening.

It't making a deal with the devil when the church aligns itself with the state. The state is no paragon of virtue either.

Gee, thanks for warning us with your good intentions "chosen one", now kindly

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07-06-2019 07:41 AM
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The "church" that we believe in is the one that St. Ignatius talked about, the local people under their bishop

Church and state politics is something different, neither disables me, necessarily, from practicing the orthodox faith that has been preserved through the ages. It may try, but that's a different topic.

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07-07-2019 03:39 PM
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