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Don't listen to crypto "experts"
Don't listen to any crypto expert, unless they;

1) have a degree or significant verifiable professional experience in cryptography, computer science/programming or investing/trading
2) have been active since at least 2013 (HODLed throught the '14/'15 bear market)
3) have a history of being correct
4) have not gone crazy (many bitcoin OGs have gone crazy, like Roger Ver, Rick Falkvinge, Ryan X Charles, etc)
5) do not fail the common sense test (don't be a lemming by following bad advice, even though it comes from good people)

If you combine expertise, commitment, results and logic, you have a good candidate for taking advice. Anyone else is full of shit or is probably trying to sell you something!

That qualifies people like
- Andreas Antonopoulos
- Trace Mayer
- Tuur De Meester
- Nick Szabo
- Adam Back
- Bram Cohen
- Vlad Zamfir
- Jameson Lopp
- Daniel Krawicz (& Nakamoto Institute: Pierre Rochard & Michael Goldstein)
- The guys from World Crypto Network are usually alright, too.
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Agreed. Note that Vlad Zamfir, endorsed by Maciano, is part of Ethereum.

As according to Maciano's logic, everyone should go 100% Ethereum as Vlad in heavily into ETH.

Not happening. - redbeard in regards to ETH flippening BTC

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(12-15-2017 11:40 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  Agreed. Note that Vlad Zamfir, endorsed by Maciano, is part of Ethereum.

As according to Maciano's logic, everyone should go 100% Ethereum as Vlad in heavily into ETH.

Vlad is an honest researcher. He's not a pumper. I trust his judgements and critiques.
12-16-2017 07:42 AM
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(12-16-2017 07:42 AM)Maciano Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 11:40 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  Agreed. Note that Vlad Zamfir, endorsed by Maciano, is part of Ethereum.

As according to Maciano's logic, everyone should go 100% Ethereum as Vlad in heavily into ETH.

Vlad is an honest researcher. He's not a pumper. I trust his judgements and critiques.

And yet you keep saying Ethereum is a shit coin.

Not happening. - redbeard in regards to ETH flippening BTC

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12-16-2017 01:33 PM
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Vlad is part of ethereum but he was the first one to call out the mania bullshit that followed it for what it was. Eth is an interesting project in itself, but the potential of it is very very overestimated currently. On pure fundamentals its makes for a poor coin. Since crypto has hit the masses it seems to not really matter. I guarantee you ico chat rooms will still be filled with delusional investors 5 years from now shutting down and criticism for a project that is clearly a scam.


Vlad cashed out like sub 100 from what I remember.

Follow the experts for long term holds. If you want to play the short term quick gains read the forums, chats etc to see what the coin of the day will be.

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(12-16-2017 01:59 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  Vlad is part of ethereum but he was the first one to call out the mania bullshit that followed it for what it was. Eth is an interesting project in itself, but the potential of it is very very overestimated currently. On pure fundamentals its makes for a poor coin. Since crypto has hit the masses it seems to not really matter. I guarantee you ico chat rooms will still be filled with delusional investors 5 years from now shutting down and criticism for a project that is clearly a scam.


Vlad cashed out like sub 100 from what I remember.

Follow the experts for long term holds. If you want to play the short term quick gains read the forums, chats etc to see what the coin of the day will be.

It already processes more transactions than Bitcoin. I wouldn't call that poor fundamentals.

I guess one can argue about the potential of PoS, plasma, smart contracts and a host of other approaches being pursued in Ethereum. As someone with a technical background and considerable experience programming and web development, Ethereum is the most exciting blockchain out there.

Now people can disagree with that and say there's too much risk nothing has been proven yet, etc. All valid points. But not calling Ethereum a shit coin.

Smart money and the smart experts (Vitalik, Vlad, Gavin Wood, Nick Johnson and Joe Lubin) are in Ethereum.

Not happening. - redbeard in regards to ETH flippening BTC

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(12-16-2017 02:08 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 01:59 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  Vlad is part of ethereum but he was the first one to call out the mania bullshit that followed it for what it was. Eth is an interesting project in itself, but the potential of it is very very overestimated currently. On pure fundamentals its makes for a poor coin. Since crypto has hit the masses it seems to not really matter. I guarantee you ico chat rooms will still be filled with delusional investors 5 years from now shutting down and criticism for a project that is clearly a scam.


Vlad cashed out like sub 100 from what I remember.

Follow the experts for long term holds. If you want to play the short term quick gains read the forums, chats etc to see what the coin of the day will be.

It already processes more transactions than Bitcoin. I wouldn't call that poor fundamentals.

I guess one can argue about the potential of PoS, plasma, smart contracts and a host of other approaches being pursued in Ethereum. As someone with a technical background and considerable experience programming and web development, Ethereum is the most exciting blockchain out there.

Now people can disagree with that and say there's too much risk nothing has been proven yet, etc. All valid points. But not calling Ethereum a shit coin.

Smart money and the smart experts (Vitalik, Vlad, Gavin Wood, Nick Johnson and Joe Lubin) are in Ethereum.
People can do their own research and come to their own conclusions, I once held the view you do, so I see where you are coming from. At the end of the day what changed my mind was:
1) ETH is not a true decentralized coin. Eth foundation can pick and choose who can operate on it. Have fun when they go full SJW and start offering discounted eth for minorities. decentralization is where the real value is derived. Otherwise we can just use any other corporation for this much more efficiently like AWS.
2) Not a single ico has yet to do anything useful.
3) Its inflationary
4) Regardless of all the above, most projects on eth have no reason to even be on a blockchain and/or are not something that even has a novel solution with blockchain.


Having said that, that doesnt mean its a bad "investment". Lots of new money coming in will see it as some revolutionary BTC and prob drive the price up.

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(12-16-2017 02:08 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 01:59 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  Vlad is part of ethereum but he was the first one to call out the mania bullshit that followed it for what it was. Eth is an interesting project in itself, but the potential of it is very very overestimated currently. On pure fundamentals its makes for a poor coin. Since crypto has hit the masses it seems to not really matter. I guarantee you ico chat rooms will still be filled with delusional investors 5 years from now shutting down and criticism for a project that is clearly a scam.


Vlad cashed out like sub 100 from what I remember.

Follow the experts for long term holds. If you want to play the short term quick gains read the forums, chats etc to see what the coin of the day will be.

It already processes more transactions than Bitcoin. I wouldn't call that poor fundamentals.

I guess one can argue about the potential of PoS, plasma, smart contracts and a host of other approaches being pursued in Ethereum. As someone with a technical background and considerable experience programming and web development, Ethereum is the most exciting blockchain out there.

Now people can disagree with that and say there's too much risk nothing has been proven yet, etc. All valid points. But not calling Ethereum a shit coin.

Smart money and the smart experts (Vitalik, Vlad, Gavin Wood, Nick Johnson and Joe Lubin) are in Ethereum.

Yes, I do think Ethereum is shit. Correct. But I'm not the kind of man who will let his ego blind him, I will change my mind when new facts come to light. I've repeatedly argued why I think Ethereum is a bad investment and an overrated project. Let's not repeat that here. Let's agree to disagree on Ethereum.

My belief is in bitcoin because I believe it is the best investment after years of following the scene.

In general, I didn't post on RVF for a long time. I came back to post here because I wanted to help out crypto noobs. I want young guys to be able to pay off their student loan debt asap; I want older guys who suffered divorce rape to get back on their feet. If you suffered neither, but enjoy a good investment, I hope all of you managed to ride the biggest bull market of our generation.

My view is that you stand the best chance of doing this by betting on the strongest horse in the race: bitcoin. If you managed to get the results by investing in Ethereum, I'm sincerely happy for you because you made it to the other side -- freedom from debt. I'm not here to win a contest of what's the best coin.
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(12-16-2017 03:56 PM)Maciano Wrote:  I want young guys to be able to pay off their student loan debt asap; I want older guys who suffered divorce rape to get back on their feet. If you suffered neither, but enjoy a good investment, I hope all of you managed to ride the biggest bull market of our generation.

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Best of luck to you as well. My sentiments exactly.
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Quote:In general, I didn't post on RVF for a long time. I came back to post here because I wanted to help out crypto noobs. I want young guys to be able to pay off their student loan debt asap; I want older guys who suffered divorce rape to get back on their feet. If you suffered neither, but enjoy a good investment, I hope all of you managed to ride the biggest bull market of our generation.

My view is that you stand the best chance of doing this by betting on the strongest horse in the race: bitcoin. If you managed to get the results by investing in Ethereum, I'm sincerely happy for you because you made it to the other side -- freedom from debt. I'm not here to win a contest of what's the best coin.

Wrong. The best chance guys have right now to make a lot of money is to get in at the ICO or right-after-ICO level for smaller projects. A lot of them are seeing 2,3, 5 or even 10x gains. Already, there's tons of RVF guys making a killing on smaller projects, with gains much better than Bitcoin.

You talk about helping younger guys get out of debt asap, with emphasis on asap. That's how you'd help them out. Not by calling almost every single non-Bitcoin project a shitcoin, but by teaching them that quick money is to be made in the smaller projects.

I feel very fortunate I got into Ethereum when the price was $10. Thank god I didn't listen to the nay-sayers on this forum, as my gains would have been 3-5x lower than what they currently are. However I was one of the lucky ones. My technical background dissuaded me from listening to the forum members in the Bitcoin thread. Not everyone got that lucky and I've heard from quite a few RVF members how they would've made a lot more money had they not listened to the "Ethereum is just another shitcoin" crap that was espoused here.

You talk about wanting to help forum members, but it's the mentality you exhibit (Bitcoin is the only coin worth betting on) that's causing people to lose a lot of potential gains.

Also, I'll go in depth later - but your notion of betting on the strongest horse in the race is an extremely poor investment strategy in technology. Almost always (I have yet to find an exception) does the first-to-market win out long-term. The first one always has issues that a second or third version ends up solving and taking dominant market share.

Bitcoin might've been a great investment years ago, but this year along has shown that other contenders did better (Ethereum being up from ~$10 to ~$700, 70x returns, compared to Bitcoin's ~$14000 from ~$1000). I fully expect this trend to continue, with Bitcoin being outperformed for the foreseeable future.

Not happening. - redbeard in regards to ETH flippening BTC

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Is there a way to mute forum members?

EDIT: Nevermind. Done.
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Genghis Khan is right in pointing out Ethereum has been the better investment this year.

Maciano you do yourself a disservice by refusing to listen to perspectives which don't align with your own, and mentalities like this is probably why so many were blindsided by the Bitcoin Cash come-up.
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(12-16-2017 03:56 PM)Maciano Wrote:  My belief is in bitcoin because I believe it is the best investment after years of following the scene.

In general, I didn't post on RVF for a long time. I came back to post here because I wanted to help out crypto noobs. I want young guys to be able to pay off their student loan debt asap; I want older guys who suffered divorce rape to get back on their feet. If you suffered neither, but enjoy a good investment, I hope all of you managed to ride the biggest bull market of our generation.

My view is that you stand the best chance of doing this by betting on the strongest horse in the race: bitcoin. If you managed to get the results by investing in Ethereum, I'm sincerely happy for you because you made it to the other side -- freedom from debt. I'm not here to win a contest of what's the best coin.

This is such a cringy, self-masturbatory post, good lord.

Honestly Maciano considering most of your advice comes down to basic bitch simplistic shit like: 'bitcoin will always outperform altcoins', 'ICOs are scams', and 'just HODL bitcoin bro', I struggle to think why anyone would listen to any of the opinions that you hold with respect to making money in crypto. You're essentially just one step better than the boomers who think bitcoin is a pyramid scheme.

Most of the advice you've given in the last months I've been seeing from your posts is utter trash and will legitimately stop people from making the kind of money that they could be making. I've outperformed the gains that bitcoin has seen in the entirety of the last year (and better, actually) just in the last three months alone by doing pretty much the exact opposite of what you're constantly self-righteously preaching. You're a dinosaur, bro, and your advice is no longer relevant to the modern cryptocurrency landscape, get with the times and stop giving people shit advice.

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So, who's doing who a disservice now?

I tried telling bitcoin was the real deal and alts would crater.

Anybody who bought and held bitcoin mid 2017 would still be up 500% today. Even during the bottom of 2018. Those who bought shitcoins got shit.



(12-23-2017 09:15 AM)Valentine Wrote:  Genghis Khan is right in pointing out Ethereum has been the better investment this year.

Maciano you do yourself a disservice by refusing to listen to perspectives which don't align with your own, and mentalities like this is probably why so many were blindsided by the Bitcoin Cash come-up.
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These whole cryptocurrencies are hype.

Many cases pyramid schemes.

In other cases a way to avoid regulation.

It is complete bullshit.

On a positive note.

A sucker be born every minute.

Good opportunity for profit.

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Barely worth listening to any of them.

- Andreas Antonopoulos - a genuine know it all retard. Has never done an ico in his life and just another BTC ideology maximalist. Could do with a hair transplant.
- Tim Draper - just blindlessly does a fuck load of icos. Has no doubt lost millions this year. At least he speaks well, despite having no common sense in his actions.
- Tom Lee - a true forecasting mong. A perfect fit for CNBC.
- Teeka - buy salt up to 2 dollars. No stop loss. June bull market, institutions coming. Lost all credibility.
- Marius - worst forecaster in the world. So retarded he got kicked out of his own channel and had to start a new one.
Suppoman - takes payments for all his shills. At least he navigates the shitcoin world well in terms of preaching to a tribe of mongs who helped him take ethos at vaporware state to a ridiculous price.
Novogratz - according to an FT article last week and rumours it appears his advisory business is getting subpeonaed. Not suprised. Oh yeah he called the bottom at 6k only two weeks ago.
Arthur Hayes - verging on criminal supposedly front runs the books on bitmex. If his business was based in the US or taking US investers he would be in prison a long time ago. Calls eth a shitcoin, then when it dumps writes a favourable article. Proper shady as fuck trading platform practices.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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It has been done on a large scale with computers, in order to simulate the effect but, a few years back, FHM actually gave a monkey a bowl of table tennis balls, and then followed the shares indicated by the balls that the monkey selected. Apparently, Bonzo's portfolio performed rather well.
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(12-15-2017 08:28 AM)Maciano Wrote:  Don't listen to any crypto expert, unless they;

1) have a degree or significant verifiable professional experience in cryptography, computer science/programming or investing/trading
2) have been active since at least 2013 (HODLed throught the '14/'15 bear market)
3) have a history of being correct
4) have not gone crazy (many bitcoin OGs have gone crazy, like Roger Ver, Rick Falkvinge, Ryan X Charles, etc)
5) do not fail the common sense test (don't be a lemming by following bad advice, even though it comes from good people)

If you combine expertise, commitment, results and logic, you have a good candidate for taking advice. Anyone else is full of shit or is probably trying to sell you something!

That qualifies people like
- Andreas Antonopoulos
- Trace Mayer
- Tuur De Meester
- Nick Szabo
- Adam Back
- Bram Cohen
- Vlad Zamfir
- Jameson Lopp
- Daniel Krawicz (& Nakamoto Institute: Pierre Rochard & Michael Goldstein)
- The guys from World Crypto Network are usually alright, too.

Mircea Popescu has been more solid than this list, though his writing on Bitcoin has become less frequent over the past year. Given <a href="http://trilema.com/apparently-im-not-the-only-one-pointing-out-the-obvious">his other writings</a> though I am surprised the manosphere hasn't given him more attention.
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Mircea is awesome.

He's bitcoin's far-right.
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