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(01-09-2018 03:48 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:25 PM)(((Mage))) Wrote:  [Image: 1481329060810.png]

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Oh, I see. You believe paganism is a false front for Jews.

Well answer me this:

The leader of which religion washes feet to Muslims?
a)neo pagans worshiping Zeus or Jupiter
b)Catholic

The leaders of which religion embrace feminism and homosexuality?
a)Celtic neopagans
b)Anglican

The leaders of which religion fight for Jewish rights in Russia?
a)Inglings and Mari pagans
b)Orthodox


Of course you can think that all Catholics and Orthodox and Anglicans are false Christians and only your version of some American Protestant 3 times reformed Baptist version is the truth Church of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and all others will burn in fire and brimstone. I will not even argue against such a sad little opinion
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(01-09-2018 03:48 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  
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Exactly.

Mage, there is nothing remotely organically Teutonic or Baltic about your "as above so below" tarot card, it comes from Egypt. Kabbalah is not European, dude.

Your perception of Christianity is based on the fact that

1- the ((( Bolsheviks and Cheka exterminated for decades the entire Baltic clergy and destroyed most churches, and beyond that, destroyed the whole social fabric of the Christian peoples they controlled. You might as well have grown up in post-Khmer Cambodia, where 90% of those with any kind of education were culled.

Watch the half hour starting from this point (1:05:24 mark) from Jüri Lina's In the Shadow of Hermes:

https://youtu.be/oIuW-vNQsQI?t=1h5m26s





2- Modern culture is actively anti-traditionalist, anti-Christian and luciferian in nature, by design. The music you hear, the stories you read, your schooling, your political and social institutions have been deeply steeped in that subversive culture, to the point where there are no other frames of reference. Nearly all Christian institutions have been infiltrated and actively subverted from within.

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(01-09-2018 03:47 PM)Mage Wrote:  How are Jews cursed? They have kept their lineage and traditions for millennia. They possess the whole world including their ancestral homeland. You are cursed, my friend because you don't believe in the faith of your ancestors, you have lost the aristocratic lineage of your ancestors, you are a man of no past, how can there be a future for you? Among you a degenerate has the same right as a prince. Your God is a Jewish martyr. Where is a God from your blood? Where is your land, your sacred rivers, your sacred stones? Where does the sun shine that is perfect for your skin? Where do trees grow that bear fruit that contain the perfect enzymes for your blood, the trees that have evolved together with your ancestors? Where is your holy grove?

They are a cursed people. That is what Jesus tried to tell them, but people prefer sweet words over the truth. The Pharisees were corrupt; they were paying lip service to God.

That is the story of the Old Testament. The people of Israel rose, became corrupt, and God punished them, six times in total. Jesus was the seventh time, but this time, the blood would be on the hands of the Jewish people, except for those who chose to follow Christ.

To be a Jew today is to deny Christ and live in a world of subterfuge and cunning. If a Jew converts to Christianity and accepts that Christ was the Messiah then what? They're nobody. They're no longer part of the money-making club. And that is too lucrative a deal for most to pass up.
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(01-09-2018 03:36 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  And there is also something inherently manly and rebellious about dying with dignity when your oppressor holds all the cards and wants to humiliate you by getting you to renege on your beliefs before they kill you anyway.

Also there are martyrs of every faith and even political ideology. It takes balls not to beg and plead for your life like a bitch when you know you're going to die.

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(01-09-2018 06:04 PM)911 Wrote:  Mage, there is nothing remotely organically Teutonic or Baltic about your "as above so below" tarot card, it comes from Egypt. Kabbalah is not European, dude.

You are using book knowledge by atheist or Christian authors who study religions from afar by looking on their historical and geographical roots, but who don't really try to understand their message and practice.

Kabbalah has a lot of truthful insights. As does Paganism. The main open secret of both Kaballah and Paganism is Reincarnation. The Modern dominating religions - all Abrahamic religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam do the greatest harm into convincing people there is no reincarnation and thus completely fucking up the metaphysical approach humans take to life.

Kaballah is Jewish Mysticism and Paganism is a common name for Mysticism of other nations. When you fight against paganism you fight for only Jews being able to practice their mystic tradition in their secluded communities and you fight to leave other nations without their mystic traditions, making them spiritual bastards so to speak.

(01-09-2018 06:04 PM)911 Wrote:  Your perception of Christianity is based on the fact that

1- the ((( Bolsheviks and Cheka exterminated for decades the entire Baltic clergy and destroyed most churches, and beyond that, destroyed the whole social fabric of the Christian peoples they controlled. You might as well have grown up in post-Khmer Cambodia, where 90% of those with any kind of education were culled.

You are in a great hubris and delusion to speak about reality of my nation, when probably having never been here (some 2 week pickup vacation where you got drunk with your buddies doesn't count) and only reading about it in some website. You talk like all Christianity would be exterminated by bolsheviks and nobody in Baltic knows what Christianity is about. That's bullshit. Take your nose out of your videos and websites. There is plenty of Christians left here too, I myself was raised as a Catholic an I know very well what Christianity is about. Baltic has a lot of Catholics, Lutherans and Orthodox. But all of the Baltic Christians are also pagans because they also practice pagan feasts and traditions like it has been for centuries and how paganism has survived under Christianity by people practicing both. Today they are understandably many people who reject Christianity, but it's not because of Bolshevism. Everybody hates Bolshevism and leftism here, there are very fer leftists here. Nobody would support likes of Bernie Sanders here. Latvia is much less leftist then USA is. You know nothing about situation here and just regurgitate some stuff you read somewhere. Latvia is not like Cambodia. Latvia catches a lot of wind and information A typical Latvian can speak 3 languages by age of 10 - Latvian, English and Russian. Latvians also learn basics of German or Franch in school in addition to that. We can compare and evaluate. We live in crossroads of cultures and epochs. We have seen both real communism and real capitalism. Latvia has world's 8th fastest internet connection and it's 100% covered. Our internet is faster then in USA we can read and learn here better then you can. We have a good classical Soviet style education not your Common core style shit. We get taught History and geography properly. A typical Latvian can find most world's countries on a globe, something a typical American cannot. In Latvia there is more freedom of speech then in USA. We can tell racist and sexist jokes in university and in work and nobody will get kicked out. In the same time nobody here is really racist or sexist or hateful against other group. If you think we are some misinformed censored nation like Cambodia than you have it all backwards. You know nothing, yet you think you know so much. You have a lot of hubris. You think you know something about God because you listen to your pastor and to your protestant youtube conspiracy videos . You know not as much as you think.

(01-09-2018 06:04 PM)911 Wrote:  Watch the half hour starting from this point (1:05:24 mark) from Jüri Lina's In the Shadow of Hermes:

https://youtu.be/oIuW-vNQsQI?t=1h5m26s





2- Modern culture is actively anti-traditionalist, anti-Christian and luciferian in nature, by design. The music you hear, the stories you read, your schooling, your political and social institutions have been deeply steeped in that subversive culture, to the point where there are no other frames of reference. Nearly all Christian institutions have been infiltrated and actively subverted from within.

I am on this forum for like 5 years at least. Do you think I don''t know that culture is subversive? But not in a way you think it is. To you it is all anti - Christian. No it's anti white. Christianity only get's attacked because it's practiced by whites and is pro family values currently.

This video is stupid. I only randomly clicked on some point where it said d George Washington tried to lessen freemason influence. Really? He was a Freemason himself! of course in your American protestant mythos Washington must be a holy man as must be Columbus. You even have the Christan order of Knights of Columbus which ectually emulate freemasons and are named after Columbus as if he was some sort of saint, when he was a brutal and violent man with many vices and he was not pious at all. Washington and all founding fathers that you American protestants hold as saints were masons. Each and every one of them.

The freemason buggyman is ridiculous. Study history! In 17th-18th century - EVERYBODY woth their salt was a freemason. Mozart, Beethovwen all the politicians, statsmen were freemasons. Some stupid Christian creationists and flat earthers just now got wind of that and create these boogyman videos. The freemasons have already done their job and their job was creating United States. Their age is over and their numbers are diminishing. We now live in age of Cultural Marxist subversion.

Freemasons were people who built your country. And freemasons were somewhat pagan, sure they took great interest in old pagan lore and mysteries. Yet they were not degenerates and Satanists like you imagine in your squeamish and fearful Christian mind where everything not Christian is Satanist. They built your country and made it strongest country in the world. They made the separation of church and state a great value as they did electoral college and Constitution and all that stuff you hold as Holy as Bible. All that was created by freemason pagans! Now you shit at them and fear them. You are confused and frustrated person with no education and knowledge of history. You fear being subverted by Illuminati and freemasons? All your country and it's values were created by them. You are already subverted!
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(01-09-2018 08:20 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:36 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  And there is also something inherently manly and rebellious about dying with dignity when your oppressor holds all the cards and wants to humiliate you by getting you to renege on your beliefs before they kill you anyway.

Also there are martyrs of every faith and even political ideology. It takes balls not to beg and plead for your life like a bitch when you know you're going to die.

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William Wallace was a fighter and therefore a hero. At least the movie version. I have heard that in reality that movie has a lot of historical falsehoods. no wonder - Mel Gibson is a Christian and Christians like to falsify history.

You can be both a hero and a martyr. I never argued that Martydom is always bad. But they are not the same. Many people who can be martyrs, cannot be Heroes. Both take courage, but only heroism takes masculine virtue and strength.
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(01-09-2018 08:38 PM)Mage Wrote:  Mel Gibson is a Christian and Christians like to falsify history.

God forgive Mage, for he knows not how he presents himself here.
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(01-09-2018 08:17 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:47 PM)Mage Wrote:  How are Jews cursed? They have kept their lineage and traditions for millennia. They possess the whole world including their ancestral homeland. You are cursed, my friend because you don't believe in the faith of your ancestors, you have lost the aristocratic lineage of your ancestors, you are a man of no past, how can there be a future for you? Among you a degenerate has the same right as a prince. Your God is a Jewish martyr. Where is a God from your blood? Where is your land, your sacred rivers, your sacred stones? Where does the sun shine that is perfect for your skin? Where do trees grow that bear fruit that contain the perfect enzymes for your blood, the trees that have evolved together with your ancestors? Where is your holy grove?

They are a cursed people. That is what Jesus tried to tell them, but people prefer sweet words over the truth. The Pharisees were corrupt; they were paying lip service to God.

That is the story of the Old Testament. The people of Israel rose, became corrupt, and God punished them, six times in total. Jesus was the seventh time, but this time, the blood would be on the hands of the Jewish people, except for those who chose to follow Christ.

To be a Jew today is to deny Christ and live in a world of subterfuge and cunning. If a Jew converts to Christianity and accepts that Christ was the Messiah then what? They're nobody. They're no longer part of the money-making club. And that is too lucrative a deal for most to pass up.

To me it seems as if the only curse Jews suffer today is the curse of a lot of money. You can call them cursed all you like if that makes you feel better. I am pretty sure they are smart enough to just smile as you curse them and then slave to them as a good Christian Sheep.
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(01-09-2018 08:43 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 08:17 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:47 PM)Mage Wrote:  How are Jews cursed? They have kept their lineage and traditions for millennia. They possess the whole world including their ancestral homeland. You are cursed, my friend because you don't believe in the faith of your ancestors, you have lost the aristocratic lineage of your ancestors, you are a man of no past, how can there be a future for you? Among you a degenerate has the same right as a prince. Your God is a Jewish martyr. Where is a God from your blood? Where is your land, your sacred rivers, your sacred stones? Where does the sun shine that is perfect for your skin? Where do trees grow that bear fruit that contain the perfect enzymes for your blood, the trees that have evolved together with your ancestors? Where is your holy grove?

They are a cursed people. That is what Jesus tried to tell them, but people prefer sweet words over the truth. The Pharisees were corrupt; they were paying lip service to God.

That is the story of the Old Testament. The people of Israel rose, became corrupt, and God punished them, six times in total. Jesus was the seventh time, but this time, the blood would be on the hands of the Jewish people, except for those who chose to follow Christ.

To be a Jew today is to deny Christ and live in a world of subterfuge and cunning. If a Jew converts to Christianity and accepts that Christ was the Messiah then what? They're nobody. They're no longer part of the money-making club. And that is too lucrative a deal for most to pass up.

To me it seems as if the only curse Jews suffer today is the curse of a lot of money. You can call them cursed all you like if that makes you feel better. I am pretty sure they are smart enough to just smile as you curse them and then slave to them as a good Christian Sheep.

Just discounting the fact that your "slave" point makes no sense:

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(01-09-2018 08:45 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 08:43 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 08:17 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:47 PM)Mage Wrote:  How are Jews cursed? They have kept their lineage and traditions for millennia. They possess the whole world including their ancestral homeland. You are cursed, my friend because you don't believe in the faith of your ancestors, you have lost the aristocratic lineage of your ancestors, you are a man of no past, how can there be a future for you? Among you a degenerate has the same right as a prince. Your God is a Jewish martyr. Where is a God from your blood? Where is your land, your sacred rivers, your sacred stones? Where does the sun shine that is perfect for your skin? Where do trees grow that bear fruit that contain the perfect enzymes for your blood, the trees that have evolved together with your ancestors? Where is your holy grove?

They are a cursed people. That is what Jesus tried to tell them, but people prefer sweet words over the truth. The Pharisees were corrupt; they were paying lip service to God.

That is the story of the Old Testament. The people of Israel rose, became corrupt, and God punished them, six times in total. Jesus was the seventh time, but this time, the blood would be on the hands of the Jewish people, except for those who chose to follow Christ.

To be a Jew today is to deny Christ and live in a world of subterfuge and cunning. If a Jew converts to Christianity and accepts that Christ was the Messiah then what? They're nobody. They're no longer part of the money-making club. And that is too lucrative a deal for most to pass up.

To me it seems as if the only curse Jews suffer today is the curse of a lot of money. You can call them cursed all you like if that makes you feel better. I am pretty sure they are smart enough to just smile as you curse them and then slave to them as a good Christian Sheep.

Just discounting the fact that your "slave" point makes no sense:

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The easiest way do delude yourself is to make a caricature image of the opposing opinion in your mind and then convince yourself that you can't believe in that. Atheists do that to you Christians all the time. And yet you have learned nothing.

The "slave" point makes perfect sense - isn't Israel built and defended by tax money of Christian taxpayers?

Most Christians deify Jews as chosen nation. Again you are some 3x reformed Baptist church or similar that opposes to this and condemns the rest to hell. You are even a minority in Christianity, yet you speak for it.
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(01-09-2018 08:53 PM)Mage Wrote:  The easiest way do delude yourself is to make a caricature image of the opposing opinion in your mind and then convince yourself that you can't believe in that. Atheists do that to you Christians all the time. And yet you have learned nothing.

The "slave" point makes perfect sense - isn't Israel built and defended by tax money of Christian taxpayers?

Most Christians deify Jews as chosen nation. Again you are some 3x reformed Baptist church or similar that opposes to this and condemns the rest to hell. You are even a minority in Christianity, yet you speak for it.

That character is exactly how you sound. Like a dweeb.

I'm a Catholic. We don't deify the Jews or Israel; correction, we'd love to kick the children of the Pharisees out of Israel and make it a Christian state.

And no, I don't like the current Pope.

Any other straw men?
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(01-09-2018 09:00 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  That character is exactly how you sound. Like a dweeb.

Any other Ad hominem?

You are very agressive and insulting in your verbal attacks. A true mark of a religious fanatic is getting agressive when losing an argumented discussion or when not getting the other side to agree for a loger time. It's always like that with Christians - when you run out of arguments you call the other person a dweeb, a Satanist, a subversive or whatever.


(01-09-2018 09:00 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  I'm a Catholic. We don't deify the Jews or Israel; correction, we'd love to kick the children of the Pharisees out of Israel and make it a Christian state.

Catholics have a diversity of opinions on this matter. When you write as if implying as all Catholics would like to kick out Jews from Israel you are lying. Many Catholics are firmly pro Israel. Many Catholics like Jews. Official Catholic publications use protestant antisemitism as an argument why Catholicism is better. And most Catholics are blind to the corruption of the current Pope.

You are a religious fanatic, who will not spare any lie, you feel like possibly getting away with, to promote your views.

Since you are a Catholic on a Game forum and probably into seducing women for premarital sex you are also a hypocrite.
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(01-09-2018 08:17 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:47 PM)Mage Wrote:  How are Jews cursed? They have kept their lineage and traditions for millennia. They possess the whole world including their ancestral homeland. You are cursed, my friend because you don't believe in the faith of your ancestors, you have lost the aristocratic lineage of your ancestors, you are a man of no past, how can there be a future for you? Among you a degenerate has the same right as a prince. Your God is a Jewish martyr. Where is a God from your blood? Where is your land, your sacred rivers, your sacred stones? Where does the sun shine that is perfect for your skin? Where do trees grow that bear fruit that contain the perfect enzymes for your blood, the trees that have evolved together with your ancestors? Where is your holy grove?

They are a cursed people. That is what Jesus tried to tell them, but people prefer sweet words over the truth. The Pharisees were corrupt; they were paying lip service to God.

That is the story of the Old Testament. The people of Israel rose, became corrupt, and God punished them, six times in total. Jesus was the seventh time, but this time, the blood would be on the hands of the Jewish people, except for those who chose to follow Christ.

To be a Jew today is to deny Christ and live in a world of subterfuge and cunning. If a Jew converts to Christianity and accepts that Christ was the Messiah then what? They're nobody. They're no longer part of the money-making club. And that is too lucrative a deal for most to pass up.

Jesus was a Jew, his family was Jewish. He was more a reformer of the Jewish faith. Also he was opposed to usury and the excesses of it. He probably brought in spiritual concepts he found in his travels to the East. There are books written about his experiences between ages 14 to 30 and he likely wound up in India.

I might also point out that yes - the heroism of Christianity was more passive, martyr-like. The old religions of the Vikings, the Romans and the Greeks were all about grand warriors while the Gods were simply humans with super-powers. Of course Christianity survived by riling up some fighting spirit or they would have been wiped out by Islam before the year 1000.

So of course it is natural that they adapted the pacifist religion of Christ into something more defensive - the other cheek does not work with invading hordes who want to wipe you out.

And honestly the entire lore of Christianity was a mix of the talks of Jesus, of old Abrahamic Jewish lore and plenty of pagan customs. Most religions are created in a similar way even if the founder has a strong impression on the direction initially.

I also find it personally funny that many say that Jesus was not even Jewish. I doubt he would want the ancient Judea of his family to be conquered violently by his followers.
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(01-10-2018 04:31 AM)Mage Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 09:00 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  That character is exactly how you sound. Like a dweeb.

Any other Ad hominem?

You are very agressive and insulting in your verbal attacks. A true mark of a religious fanatic is getting agressive when losing an argumented discussion or when not getting the other side to agree for a loger time. It's always like that with Christians - when you run out of arguments you call the other person a dweeb, a Satanist, a subversive or whatever.


(01-09-2018 09:00 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  I'm a Catholic. We don't deify the Jews or Israel; correction, we'd love to kick the children of the Pharisees out of Israel and make it a Christian state.

Catholics have a diversity of opinions on this matter. When you write as if implying as all Catholics would like to kick out Jews from Israel you are lying. Many Catholics are firmly pro Israel. Many Catholics like Jews. Official Catholic publications use protestant antisemitism as an argument why Catholicism is better. And most Catholics are blind to the corruption of the current Pope.

You are a religious fanatic, who will not spare any lie, you feel like possibly getting away with, to promote your views.

Since you are a Catholic on a Game forum and probably into seducing women for premarital sex you are also a hypocrite.

Mage, it's funny that you complain about being aggressed against, and then you go on to make up a life story for me and create a set of beliefs to go along with it.

Speak about what you know, not what you don't know. Here's what you don't know: I'm engaged, and I started reading this forum for the Trump thread, back when the Trump campaign took off. So there goes your claim of hypocrisy.

Regarding Israel, you're right that there's a plurality of opinions. I, and many other Roman Catholics, do not deify the Jews or Israel, and in fact view them as continuing to deny him (their Talmud even slanders him and his mother). It's funny that on a forum that both vilifies (((them))) and praises Deus Vult and the Crusades that I'm now getting flak for doing something similar. I shouldn't have poo-pooed your original point and incurred your wrath, it seems.

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(01-09-2018 08:17 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:47 PM)Mage Wrote:  How are Jews cursed? They have kept their lineage and traditions for millennia. They possess the whole world including their ancestral homeland. You are cursed, my friend because you don't believe in the faith of your ancestors, you have lost the aristocratic lineage of your ancestors, you are a man of no past, how can there be a future for you? Among you a degenerate has the same right as a prince. Your God is a Jewish martyr. Where is a God from your blood? Where is your land, your sacred rivers, your sacred stones? Where does the sun shine that is perfect for your skin? Where do trees grow that bear fruit that contain the perfect enzymes for your blood, the trees that have evolved together with your ancestors? Where is your holy grove?

They are a cursed people. That is what Jesus tried to tell them, but people prefer sweet words over the truth. The Pharisees were corrupt; they were paying lip service to God.

That is the story of the Old Testament. The people of Israel rose, became corrupt, and God punished them, six times in total. Jesus was the seventh time, but this time, the blood would be on the hands of the Jewish people, except for those who chose to follow Christ.

To be a Jew today is to deny Christ and live in a world of subterfuge and cunning. If a Jew converts to Christianity and accepts that Christ was the Messiah then what? They're nobody. They're no longer part of the money-making club. And that is too lucrative a deal for most to pass up.

Jesus was a Jew, his family was Jewish. He was more a reformer of the Jewish faith. Also he was opposed to usury and the excesses of it. He probably brought in spiritual concepts he found in his travels to the East. There are books written about his experiences between ages 14 to 30 and he likely wound up in India.

I might also point out that yes - the heroism of Christianity was more passive, martyr-like. The old religions of the Vikings, the Romans and the Greeks were all about grand warriors while the Gods were simply humans with super-powers. Of course Christianity survived by riling up some fighting spirit or they would have been wiped out by Islam before the year 1000.

So of course it is natural that they adapted the pacifist religion of Christ into something more defensive - the other cheek does not work with invading hordes who want to wipe you out.

And honestly the entire lore of Christianity was a mix of the talks of Jesus, of old Abrahamic Jewish lore and plenty of pagan customs. Most religions are created in a similar way even if the founder has a strong impression on the direction initially.

I also find it personally funny that many say that Jesus was not even Jewish. I doubt he would want the ancient Judea of his family to be conquered violently by his followers.

I would go back and read the Gospels; it becomes clear that in the Gospel of St. John that a rift appears during Jesus' life between him and his followers and the "Jews"; that is, the followers of the Pharisees, Sadducees, etc. He envisioned a new Israel, but not one created by bloodshed. Of course, the true-blue Jews being who they are, they had him killed.

Otherwise I agree with most of what you say, so no argument there. But there's a reason I phrased it "to be a Jew today." And that's a long post, but basically Talmudic Judaism was created hundreds of years after Christ to keep Jews away from Jesus. Obviously, his reform didn't work. They wanted a Messiah on their terms; that is, a political leader who would cast out the Romans with violence and an uprising.
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RE: Jewish Heroism during the Second World War
JFR Jacob - an Indian Jewish soldier fought in many Wars, though details on his involvement in WW2 are hard to find.

Quote:Jacob, motivated by reports of the Holocaust of European Jews during World War II, enlisted in the British Indian Army in 1942. His father objected to his enlisting. He said in 2010, "I am proud to be a Jew, but am Indian through and through."

Military career

Jacob graduated from the Officer's Training School in Mhow in 1942 and was posted to northern Iraq in anticipation of a possible German attempt to seize the oil fields of Kirkuk.

In 1943, Jacob was transferred to an Artillery brigade that was dispatched to the Tunisia Campaign to reinforce the British Army against Field Marshal Erwin Rommel's Afrika Korps. The brigade arrived after the Axis surrender. From 1943 to the end of the war, Jacob's unit fought in the Burma Campaign against the Japanese Empire. In the wake of Japan's defeat, he was assigned to Sumatra.

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Article from 2016:

Jack Jacob, Indian Jewish war hero, dies at 92

Quote:Jack Jacob, a renowned Indian general, statesman and long-time prominent member of the country’s small Jewish community, died Wednesday in New Delhi. He was 92.

Jacob, who died of pneumonia at New Delhi’s Army Research & Referral Hospital, was the highest ranking military officer in the history of the Indian Jewish community and considered a national hero for his daring military campaigns.

The former chief of staff is best known for commanding India’s Eastern Army during the liberation of Bangladesh from Pakistan in 1971 and negotiating the historic surrender of Pakistani troops after the war.
His 1997 book “Surrender at Dacca: Birth of a Nation,” is considered the definitive account of the Bangladesh campaign.

Born in 1923 in Calcutta, British India, Jacob’s family hailed from a long line of Baghdadi Jews who moved to India from Iraq in the middle of the 18th century. Enlisting in the British Indian Army in 1942, Jacob continued to serve in the Indian Army after the country gained independence in 1947, rising in the ranks to the lieutenant general.

After his retirement from the military in 1978 Jacob served as the Governor of the Indian states of Goa and Punjab. He related his life story in the 2011 memoir, “An Odyssey in War and Peace.”

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi tweeted condolences for the famed war hero and said India “will always remain grateful to him for his impeccable service to the nation at the most crucial moments.”

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Jack Jacob, a renowned Indian general, statesman and long-time prominent member of the country’s small Jewish community, died Wednesday in New Delhi. He was 92.

Jacob, who died of pneumonia at New Delhi’s Army Research & Referral Hospital, was the highest ranking military officer in the history of the Indian Jewish community and considered a national hero for his daring military campaigns.

The former chief of staff is best known for commanding India’s Eastern Army during the liberation of Bangladesh from Pakistan in 1971 and negotiating the historic surrender of Pakistani troops after the war. His 1997 book “Surrender at Dacca: Birth of a Nation,” is considered the definitive account of the Bangladesh campaign.

Born in 1923 in Calcutta, British India, Jacob’s family hailed from a long line of Baghdadi Jews who moved to India from Iraq in the middle of the 18th century. Enlisting in the British Indian Army in 1942, Jacob continued to serve in the Indian Army after the country gained independence in 1947, rising in the ranks to the lieutenant general.

After his retirement from the military in 1978 Jacob served as the Governor of the Indian states of Goa and Punjab.
He related his life story in the 2011 memoir, “An Odyssey in War and Peace.”

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi tweeted condolences for the famed war hero and said India “will always remain grateful to him for his impeccable service to the nation at the most crucial moments.”

In another tweet Modi posted a picture of Jacob presenting his autobiography to the Indian premier and said the two “interacted often.”

The American Jewish Committee released a statement mourning Jacob’s death.

“Jack Jacob’s contributions to peace and security in South Asia, as well as to the burgeoning and mutually beneficial relationship between India and Israel, are incalculable and enduring,” said Jason Isaacson, AJC Associate Executive Director for Policy. “A warrior, a man of peace, a patriot, a man of letters, and a committed Jew, he was a giant — and he will be missed.”

Jacob had been to Israel several times. He developed close friendships with Israeli leaders such as former prime ministers Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin. He is reported to have been particularly close with Mordechai Gur, the Israeli paratrooper commander whose forces captured the Old City of Jerusalem in 1967.

“Your military achievements were of much interest in my country,” Gur once wrote to Jacob in a letter delivered via a mutual friend in the days before Israel-India relations. “Your performance is, without a doubt, one of the best in modern warfare.”

Today, Jacob’s uniform hangs in the Israeli military museum at Latrun.
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RE: Jewish Heroism during the Second World War
There were certainly Jewish partisan groups in EE. They also served with normal partisan groups.
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To play Devil's Advocate: "That's totally anecdotal, just one Indian Baghdadi dude?"
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RE: Jewish Heroism during the Second World War
There will be many movies, from Hollywood and Bollywood alike, about this
exceptional dead soldier-politician, bank on it. There's also the subject
of the active persecution of Christians in the state of Gao,
which Jacob used to run, by his BJP party and hindu nationalist groups like
the RSS
, which are also very pro-zionists and globalist (see
Modi's anti-cash policies), but that's outside the scope of this thread.

On the main subject here, I've recently come across this internal
ADL memo from 1937, which was unearthed by journalist
Deanna Spingola, a reliable source:

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This letter was an internal memo that was leaked to the FBI
by a secretary in 1937. This isn't to dismiss the service of
hundreds of thousands of Jews in the US and allied forces
in WW2, but if anything, it shows the loyalty gap between
"regular" Jews and some of the groups that represent them.

This is the Talmud passage that the letter references, Pesachim.113a:

Quote:Rabbi Yoḥanan said three matters, citing the people
of Jerusalem: When you go to war do not go out first, but go
out last. The reason is so that if your side is defeated and you
need to flee for your life, you will enter the refuge of the city
first. And it is better to make your Shabbat like an ordinary
weekday and do not be beholden to other beings. And exert
yourself to join together with one upon whom the hour smiles.

https://www.sefaria.org/Pesachim.113a?lang=bi

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The "truly international people," aka the nation within a nation.

Is there any doubt that the Jews were the ones who created the idea of race, either? You could argue they're the original racists.
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