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"The march of Logos through human history CAN NOT be stopped!"

Man this statement by EMJ really hit me hard... Almost completely flipped off the black pill in me and feeling of hopelessness.

Haven't felt this way since JBP showed me how God could be considered to be a super sophisticated concept of the perfection of the human aspirational spirit towards truth.

Now, instead of feeling helpless and overwhelmed by a world of SJWs and hateful people and powerful anti logos (((provocateurs))) I feel a renewed spirit within me of : "I'm gonna drag you God damn losers out of this shitheap of a situation we're in, whether you like it or not, kicking and screaming, if it's the last fucking thing I do!"

Fuck ya EMJ!
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(05-26-2018 05:38 AM)Pride male Wrote:  ^Why is Catholicism the best denomination? Anglican priests at least are allowed to marry.

Married priests ---> women clergy ---> homosexual bishops---> gay marriage.

A series of events that eventually led the entire protestant movement into a false-teaching caricature of itself with homosexual flags hanging outside every one of their whore houses of worship. Is it any wonder some Episcopalian congregations that didn't completely lose their minds and go SJW elected to leave and become Catholic?

Catholicism started down the road of social rationalizing the minute the local consensus started to accept the idea that it was ok for priests to be gay since they would never marry anyway. We see, vividly and continuously, how that woeful move worked out. Even in light of that debacle Rome recognized that changing the rules to allow marriage of clergy would not change the current homosexuals and would only create more problems down the road.

EMJ's discussion of Logos with (forum member?) Davis Aurini is long, but well worth a listen. Start around 16:20.




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Perhaps we can use this thread to discuss some weak points of EMJ as well as share his wisdom.

I mainly have two:

One he shares with most Catholics (except for sedes and barnhardtians), which is that he seems very reluctant to attack the Pope, when it's clear to pretty much everyone now that the man is a snake. I saw him recently shrug off that video of Francis pulling away his hand on europeans trying to kiss his ring, and the contrast of his migrant-foot fetish.

The other point is his assertion that the only thing that separates Germany from Senegal is 'a thousand years of Catholic culture'. While I don't think race is the defining factor in our rise and decline, I also don't think it's completely irrelevant either.

Just throwing it out there. What do you guys think?
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Quote:Perhaps we can use this thread to discuss some weak points of EMJ as well as share his wisdom.

His claim that the "Protestant Reformation" was a looting operation, full stop.

He claims that he's only providing history and avoids theology (and so, eg. he doesn't want to debate someone like Jay Dyer on theology); while simultaneously claiming that history is a function of Logos and so completely intertwined with theology.
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(04-05-2019 07:10 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  Perhaps we can use this thread to discuss some weak points of EMJ as well as share his wisdom.

I mainly have two:

One he shares with most Catholics (except for sedes and barnhardtians), which is that he seems very reluctant to attack the Pope, when it's clear to pretty much everyone now that the man is a snake. I saw him recently shrug off that video of Francis pulling away his hand on europeans trying to kiss his ring, and the contrast of his migrant-foot fetish.

The other point is his assertion that the only thing that separates Germany from Senegal is 'a thousand years of Catholic culture'. While I don't think race is the defining factor in our rise and decline, I also don't think it's completely irrelevant either.

Just throwing it out there. What do you guys think?

I saw go after Francis pretty hard in a Happy Homelands Ram Paulz interview in January, how disliked he was in Argentina.
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The whole logos thing is pretty annoying.

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^Interesting that Logos is related to Ethos and Pathos - ironically a Universal Trinity.

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(04-05-2019 07:23 AM)_Different_T Wrote:  
Quote:Perhaps we can use this thread to discuss some weak points of EMJ as well as share his wisdom.

His claim that the "Protestant Reformation" was a looting operation, full stop.

He claims that he's only providing history and avoids theology (and so, eg. he doesn't want to debate someone like Jay Dyer on theology); while simultaneously claiming that history is a function of Logos and so completely intertwined with theology.

His references to Logos and thus, eastern christianty, are why he doesn't want to debate it. I don't want to lay into him because I think the guy is valuable in the culture war, but speaking of looting just go back to the Franco-Roman church that he now calls his own, among other things.

There are many issues with protestant evolution within christianity, but saying you don't know why it happened (its mother church had major problems, for example, it was schismatic itself) is just not being honest. That's likely the reason he won't talk about how bad popes have been historically and currently, because he's too caught up in the shit-show of RC vs. Protestant, who think they are the only christians, and neither are the originals.

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(04-05-2019 11:57 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  His references to Logos and thus, eastern christianty, are why he doesn't want to debate it.

My guess is that he is humble enough to know that his knowledge on the subject isn't that great; but again, if you're going to claim that the history you're recounting is based on exactly a theological conception of something like Logos, it's very odd.

(04-05-2019 11:57 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I don't want to lay into him because I think the guy is valuable in the culture war

I dunno, he did an interview with Spencer and Goad and it was the worst I've ever seen him speak. Tons of the alt-right are listening to him simply to get ammo about racial resentments. Seems like EMJ thinks he'll lead them somewhere better, when the alt-right guys just percieve him as trying a bait-and-switch wherein they happily eat and walk away. If you read the comments, the positives all come from those who already agree with EMJ.



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God is love.

Everyone knows this.

It is mentioned only a million times in the Bible.

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And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

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Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?

There is only one verse in one Gospel that says God is Logos.

Jones skips the all love parts and focuses only on the one Logos reference, acting as if that is all there is.

Why do you think he does this?

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d,

he's attempting to explain things

logos implies reason, order, being, and trajectory in that all belongs to Christ

I admittedly don't know much of the guy but peripheral things, so as for now I'm all ears, but yes he's a scholastic RC type

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(04-05-2019 01:48 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  God is love.

Everyone knows this.

It is mentioned only a million times in the Bible.

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There is only one verse in one Gospel that says God is Logos.

Jones skips the all love parts and focuses only on the one Logos reference, acting as if that is all there is.

Why do you think he does this?

Love and logos are not incompatible, to the contrary.

btw EMJ is on Owen Benjamin tomorrow to destroy Buttgig, looking forward to that...

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(04-05-2019 01:48 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  There is only one verse in one Gospel that says God is Logos.

Jones skips the all love parts and focuses only on the one Logos reference, acting as if that is all there is.

Why do you think he does this?

John 1:1 is essentially the New Testament equivalent of Genesis 1:1 in my opinion. It redefines God as the flesh among us, which represents Logos.

This is not instruction for us, but the Christian description about the nature of God. While your point about his emphasis on logos is well taken, he also isn't your local priest. Go to a Catholic Church and you will get the God is love on the regular, I can assure you that.

EMJ is a writer/researcher who focusses on the fact that Jesus represented Logos, and Logos (Jesus) was denied by Jews, which causes some 'strange' behaviour on their part.

Lastly, This isn't a chapter and verse buried in a book. I've never read tale of two cities but I know "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...."

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@Kid Twist

Agreed.

@911

Never said they were incompatible, just that his emphasis was out of proportion to the Bible emphasis. It would be like saying you wanted to talk about an airplane, and all you do is talk about different kinds of airplane tires, never mentioning that airplanes fly. It's odd.

@NoMoreTO

I understand what you are saying, but Jones can talk about Christianity for over an hour and never mention love. He is essentially doing a reframe based on a single Biblical verse.

I do agree that this understanding is very helpful in explaining the behavior of the Jews, which he also redefines by the way, not as a people, but as deniers of Christ. A spiritual definition.

My view is something that he has said himself. That he is trying to keep dialogue open and avoid violence. I don't think he literally believes that Jesus can be summed up as the Logos. I think he is selectively describing Jesus this way as a political move. To keep rational discussion on the table as a bulwark against irrational tribal conflict.

I think it's a bit of manipulation in service of a greater good as he sees it, and not a simple declaration of what he believes.

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At 48:26 and really at 50:00, he starts talking about love and truth being the same and its insanely powerful, made the hairs on my neck and arms stand up:





Jones is the first hour only.


And a bit of a synthwave:



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DBG, I would say the right metaphor here is that logos is the main cabin, and love is the wings.

Good finds Syber, thanks.

I think EMJ is about to go on live on Owen Benjamin's channel here:




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(04-06-2019 12:11 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  @Kid Twist

Agreed.

@911

Never said they were incompatible, just that his emphasis was out of proportion to the Bible emphasis. It would be like saying you wanted to talk about an airplane, and all you do is talk about different kinds of airplane tires, never mentioning that airplanes fly. It's odd.

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I understand what you are saying, but Jones can talk about Christianity for over an hour and never mention love. He is essentially doing a reframe based on a single Biblical verse.

I do agree that this understanding is very helpful in explaining the behavior of the Jews, which he also redefines by the way, not as a people, but as deniers of Christ. A spiritual definition.

My view is something that he has said himself. That he is trying to keep dialogue open and avoid violence. I don't think he literally believes that Jesus can be summed up as the Logos. I think he is selectively describing Jesus this way as a political move. To keep rational discussion on the table as a bulwark against irrational tribal conflict.

I think it's a bit of manipulation in service of a greater good as he sees it, and not a simple declaration of what he believes.

In the current cultural context, I'd say it's more comparable to focusing exclusively on the auto-stabilization feature that causes the nose of the plane to dip.

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EMJ's perspective on the Kavanaugh hearings is gold. He really connected a lot of dots:




He's having a serious effect - right after he did an interview for Owen Benjamin, EMJ had his wikipedia page deleted:





EMJ is not banned from Amazon or Youtube yet, but the trend is leaning that way. They don't ban ineffective people - just ask Roosh. That the average guy can get a dose of what EMJ is talking about without reading one of his 1200 page books has to be scaring the crap out of the elites.

I'm buying a few of his books. As a hilarious bonus, this guy makes Jordan Peterson look like even more of the charlatan than he already is.

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(04-26-2019 06:57 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  EMJ's perspective on the Kavanaugh hearings is gold. He really connected a lot of dots:




He's having a serious effect - right after he did an interview for Owen Benjamin, EMJ had his wikipedia page deleted:





EMJ is not banned from Amazon or Youtube yet, but the trend is leaning that way. They don't ban ineffective people - just ask Roosh. That the average guy can get a dose of what EMJ is talking about without reading one of his 1200 page books has to be scaring the crap out of the elites.

I'm buying a few of his books. As a hilarious bonus, this guy makes Jordan Peterson look like even more of the charlatan than he already is.

I ordered Jewish Revolutionary Spirit through his website and it arrived in 4 days from Indiana, USA to Ireland. I was stunned.

He writes it amazingly clear and lively, I was worried I might get a dry-ish tome, the opposite has occured, in reality its riveting.

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EMJ seems to be making waves in the manosphere and the alt media.

He combines the political opinion that is banned in the financial-democracies: social conservatism (right) and fiscal conservatism (left).

He is one of the few who has explained why the so-called Left abandoned fiscal conservatism and protectionism to focus on identity and sexual politics.

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I'm doing an interview with E. Michael Jones on Tuesday April 30 at 5pm EST.


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(04-27-2019 11:59 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I'm doing an interview with E. Michael Jones on Tuesday April 30 at 5pm EST.


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Can't wait to see Roosh Live #37 w E. Michael Jones.... Probably won't see it live, but sometime later.... I don't know much about this man Roosh is having on his show, but have seen good stuff' from his youtube channel!
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(04-27-2019 11:59 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I'm doing an interview with E. Michael Jones on Tuesday April 30 at 5pm EST.


+1

Congrats on the interview. Hopefully you two hit it off so well that he decides to come on the tour with you and play his marquee song on his ukelele!

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This will be epic. Looking forward to it!

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