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Speaking of coincidences, I just finished listening to a Fr. Ripperger clip on the levels of prayer and thought "I wonder if AB has posted anything new lately".

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EMJ mentions Roosh, delving into the notion of the logos of sex, based on his interview with Roosh, in this talk about the state of cultural degeneracy in Ireland and Germany with Irish blogger Grand Torino (a forum reader?):

https://youtu.be/bvdzKKMfn3Y?t=1463

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Here is an interesting one. Jones vs. a Kabbalist.

I actually think the Kabbalist came out on top in this one, which I haven't seen yet from Jones, clearly being the loser.

This dude is a very tricky speaker, and he didn't so much beat Jones head to head as slip some ideas past Jones that Jones should have called him out on and instead let stand.

A casual listener would come away from this debate believing that the Kabbalist was more forward thinking, more reasonable, and more loving than Jones.

He would also come away from this debate believing that all religions are pure products of ego and must be done away with by following the Kabbalah which, of course, adepts like the speaker himself can teach you, teach you from their secret knowledge.

This guy was a very subtle rhetorician, and slipped his heresies in subtly while appearing to take the high road. Jones didn't seem to notice, or to tell him that Christianity wasn't just the product of the ego, or tell him that many Christians do in fact live out the Christian ideal. He just let a lot of gentle mudslinging slide by.

Interesting to hear what people think about this one.

I am not an expert on Kabbalah, but this guy seemed to be really good at obliquely using words to create exactly the impression he wanted and I kept waiting for Jones to unload on him or call him out and he never really did.




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Jones struggles a little here precisely because he is Roman Catholic and is less adept at understanding how to deal with the smoother gnostic types (such as this) because his traditional is hard-line juridical (and thus in error).

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The original interview is spliced in:



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Seeing as how Jones spends all his time trying to move discourse in a new direction, does that make his wife an Overton Widow?

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(05-09-2019 01:16 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Here is an interesting one. Jones vs. a Kabbalist.

I actually think the Kabbalist came out on top in this one, which I haven't seen yet from Jones, clearly being the loser.

This dude is a very tricky speaker, and he didn't so much beat Jones head to head as slip some ideas past Jones that Jones should have called him out on and instead let stand.

A casual listener would come away from this debate believing that the Kabbalist was more forward thinking, more reasonable, and more loving than Jones.

He would also come away from this debate believing that all religions are pure products of ego and must be done away with by following the Kabbalah which, of course, adepts like the speaker himself can teach you, teach you from their secret knowledge.

This guy was a very subtle rhetorician, and slipped his heresies in subtly while appearing to take the high road. Jones didn't seem to notice, or to tell him that Christianity wasn't just the product of the ego, or tell him that many Christians do in fact live out the Christian ideal. He just let a lot of gentle mudslinging slide by.

Interesting to hear what people think about this one.

I am not an expert on Kabbalah, but this guy seemed to be really good at obliquely using words to create exactly the impression he wanted and I kept waiting for Jones to unload on him or call him out and he never really did.




You are under the wrong view of viewing their discussion as a contest where there must be a winner. The purpose of discussion is to find a common ground from where the Jewish problem can be solved from both sides.

Both parties essentially agreed to each other that modern Jewish behavior is a problem.

The only difference is that the Kaballist of course thinks that accepting Kaballah is what can correct Jews and the Christians of course thinks that accepting Jesus is what will correct them.

This is because the Kaballist thinks that Jews fell from grace when they forgot the esoteric meaning of Kaballah and their beliefs degraded to an exoteric religion of Judaism. While the Christian thinks that Jews fell from grace when they did not accept Jesus as messiah.

The Kaballist was smart enough to see that there could be no quick agreement on this issue so he suggests to use love as in "Love your neighbour" as the highest value shared by both methods to make peace and cease wars due to differences in opinions, dogmas and mental constructs.

The Christian didn't caught up this nuance and insisted on the Logos ( meant as the order, meant as the law) is most important thing. Of course he agrees that Love is important but only when asked, only nominally his heart is with the law of his religion - Christianity.

This is interesting as usually it is the Jews that have reputation as putting too much emphasis on the Law, whereas Christians say that law is superseded by Love (Well Catholics/ Orthodox do that. Protestants do not care about Love or Law they care about blind Faith.).

In this case the Jew demonstrated more appeal to Love then the Christian - but that is because he is a Kaballist and not a Judaist.

The Christian didn't understand the differance and ended the discussion with a Shalom - as if talking generically to a Judaist. Did he understand at all that Kaballah is different from Judaism? I am not sure he did.

This is how I saw that discussion.
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(05-30-2019 02:23 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(05-09-2019 01:16 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Here is an interesting one. Jones vs. a Kabbalist.

I actually think the Kabbalist came out on top in this one, which I haven't seen yet from Jones, clearly being the loser.

This dude is a very tricky speaker, and he didn't so much beat Jones head to head as slip some ideas past Jones that Jones should have called him out on and instead let stand.

A casual listener would come away from this debate believing that the Kabbalist was more forward thinking, more reasonable, and more loving than Jones.

He would also come away from this debate believing that all religions are pure products of ego and must be done away with by following the Kabbalah which, of course, adepts like the speaker himself can teach you, teach you from their secret knowledge.

This guy was a very subtle rhetorician, and slipped his heresies in subtly while appearing to take the high road. Jones didn't seem to notice, or to tell him that Christianity wasn't just the product of the ego, or tell him that many Christians do in fact live out the Christian ideal. He just let a lot of gentle mudslinging slide by.

Interesting to hear what people think about this one.

I am not an expert on Kabbalah, but this guy seemed to be really good at obliquely using words to create exactly the impression he wanted and I kept waiting for Jones to unload on him or call him out and he never really did.




You are under the wrong view of viewing their discussion as a contest where there must be a winner.

Not in this case.

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(05-30-2019 02:28 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(05-30-2019 02:23 PM)Mage Wrote:  
(05-09-2019 01:16 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Here is an interesting one. Jones vs. a Kabbalist.

I actually think the Kabbalist came out on top in this one, which I haven't seen yet from Jones, clearly being the loser.

This dude is a very tricky speaker, and he didn't so much beat Jones head to head as slip some ideas past Jones that Jones should have called him out on and instead let stand.

A casual listener would come away from this debate believing that the Kabbalist was more forward thinking, more reasonable, and more loving than Jones.

He would also come away from this debate believing that all religions are pure products of ego and must be done away with by following the Kabbalah which, of course, adepts like the speaker himself can teach you, teach you from their secret knowledge.

This guy was a very subtle rhetorician, and slipped his heresies in subtly while appearing to take the high road. Jones didn't seem to notice, or to tell him that Christianity wasn't just the product of the ego, or tell him that many Christians do in fact live out the Christian ideal. He just let a lot of gentle mudslinging slide by.

Interesting to hear what people think about this one.

I am not an expert on Kabbalah, but this guy seemed to be really good at obliquely using words to create exactly the impression he wanted and I kept waiting for Jones to unload on him or call him out and he never really did.




You are under the wrong view of viewing their discussion as a contest where there must be a winner.

Not in this case.

I myself have been a Catholic for a long time and a non-Jewish Kaballist for a few years before I could not take all that Jewishness any more, that was so unnatural to me, and went on to seek equal knowledge in lost Pagan / surviving Hindu traditions.

This is what I can say about their differences.

The Kaballistic approach is to find God collectively trough union of the people with the seed of God-awareness in them (a.k.a Israel - people whom God calls, not a nationality, can be any nationality, altrough most of such people come from Jewish nationality). They believe that correct union between the members of Israel is more important then corrected soul of each of those individuals.

This is how you see Old testament working - Prophets come to Kings and ask them to build the society in the correct manner from Temple spreading outwards so that it would match the image of God and God could descend into it. ( They literally use the metaphor of a man entering a woman once the feminine vessel is ready for that. God entering a receptacle that is not ready and willing would be a spiritual rape, that is how they explain the concealment of God under normal (sinful) circumstances).

Relatively little attention is done to individual spirituality, collectivist worship is what it is all about.

This is why even secular Jews are all about strong Government and Communism and believing in centralized solution. It's just that when they are secular and not believers they abandon God which stands above government and that ends up with them promoting Government as God. They still keep that "gene" of wanting a centralized solution to the world problems even when they abandon God.

Jesus on the other hand did not come to preach to Kings for a centralized solution. His message was revolutionary for the Jews in that Jesus thought that change comes in each persons heart trough Love. Jesus had a message for everyone and therefore he spent so much time with the common people and the poor. Jews could not understand this, they wanted Jesus to be a general who centralizes Jewish forces and overthrows Romans. When Jesus did not do that they accused him of doing precisely that ( talk about a projection) and gave him to Romans for punishment.

This is basically the root of the modern individualist/collectivist a.k.a conservative/liberal a.k.a Christian/Jewish divide in the west.

I believe that Kaballah holds a lot of valuable knowledge about human soul, but their collectivist solution is wrong.

I believe that the Christian solution of individual correction is correct, but they have little actual knowledge since the Pauline theology is wrong. and the actual knowledge that Jesus and Kaballah shares is largely lost and heavily distorted in Christianity, that should actually be called Paulinism.
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I met the man himself:

   

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You look like a son he's welcoming home after a year long backpacking trip in Goa.
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Here's the interview I did with him:


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Excellent interview, 12:46 was pure Gold. I've been telling that to women who want to wait till 30+ to marry.
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Curious to know if Roosh is now reconsidering the cabin in the woods plan after talking to Dr. Jones.

It has always been my personal hope that you would not make that your destiny and I was glad Dr. Jones was able to levy a decent counterpoint to it.
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(07-25-2019 10:46 PM)Baa Baa Black Sheep Wrote:  Curious to know if Roosh is now reconsidering the cabin in the woods plan after talking to Dr. Jones.

I like his advice on not going from 0-60. There are intermediary steps I can try first.

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Great interview.

My favorite part. "Sola scriptura is not in the Bible!"

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(07-25-2019 10:49 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(07-25-2019 10:46 PM)Baa Baa Black Sheep Wrote:  Curious to know if Roosh is now reconsidering the cabin in the woods plan after talking to Dr. Jones.

I like his advice on not going from 0-60. There are intermediary steps I can try first.

I've heard you say that you feel that farming is hard, and of course it's no picnic, but growing vegetables is quite easy. Softening the soil, a bit of digging, putting in seeds, watering them from time to time, and generally keeping an eye on everything, that's basically it. If you wanted to try, tomatoes are a very easy way to get started.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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Anyone know where I can get a copy of Libido Dominandi in Australia?

Tried to order it second hand on Amazon and they don't deliver here.

New is 250 American dollars for some reason.
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(07-26-2019 04:09 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I've heard you say that you feel that farming is hard, and of course it's no picnic, but growing vegetables is quite easy. Softening the soil, a bit of digging, putting in seeds, watering them from time to time, and generally keeping an eye on everything, that's basically it. If you wanted to try, tomatoes are a very easy way to get started.

I'd recommend the Back to Eden method of gardening (Paul Gautschi) combined with 2 egg laying hens. Start with a small garden patch and work your way up.





(07-26-2019 04:37 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  Anyone know where I can get a copy of Libido Dominandi in Australia?

Tried to order it second hand on Amazon and they don't deliver here.

New is 250 American dollars for some reason.

Straight from the man himself. He ships all over the world.

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Thank you man. Only 30 dollars. Don't know what those clowns on Amazon are playing at.
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I like the vibe of your interviews. Same with the interview with Samseau. Hope to see more.

Also, for future reference, if someone tells you they have been married a long time you are supposed to congratulate them.

It's along the same lines of someone telling you they are having a baby.

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Link to samseau's interview ?
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(07-26-2019 04:37 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  Anyone know where I can get a copy of Libido Dominandi in Australia?

Tried to order it second hand on Amazon and they don't deliver here.

New is 250 American dollars for some reason.

I bought Barren Metal direct from Culture Wars Magazine / Fidelity Press.

They ship it direct to you from EMJs office in South Bend Indiana. It still cost $100+, and arrived within 2 weeks.

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(07-26-2019 01:30 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  Link to samseau's interview ?

https://kingmaker-podcast-with-roosh-v.z...pisodes/11

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(07-26-2019 02:12 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 04:37 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  Anyone know where I can get a copy of Libido Dominandi in Australia?

Tried to order it second hand on Amazon and they don't deliver here.

New is 250 American dollars for some reason.

I bought Barren Metal direct from Culture Wars Magazine / Fidelity Press.

They ship it direct to you from EMJs office in South Bend Indiana. It still cost $100+, and arrived within 2 weeks.


I bought LD last night. Including shipping is only $66 American.

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