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(07-25-2019 10:49 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(07-25-2019 10:46 PM)Baa Baa Black Sheep Wrote:  Curious to know if Roosh is now reconsidering the cabin in the woods plan after talking to Dr. Jones.

I like his advice on not going from 0-60. There are intermediary steps I can try first.

I've always had the romantic notion of moving to a rural area, New Hampshire in particular because it kicks ass and is a red state, and just living off the land. Hunt, fish, garden. Hang out at the local diner and join the local gun range. Get a job that keeps me outdoors such as a geologist or a small town cop.

I'm just afraid of how I'd feel once I got there.

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(07-26-2019 03:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(07-26-2019 01:30 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  Link to samseau's interview ?

https://kingmaker-podcast-with-roosh-v.z...pisodes/11

Thank you, I downloaded it and will listen to it in the car next week.
And good interview with EMJ, I only heard the first half yet but he makes good points as always.
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Living isolated and alone is never a good idea. I too want to live in the country, and as far away from wider civilisation as possible, but solo it would be miserable, and ultimately maddening.
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The audio with your interview with EMJ is really good. Is that the Zoom H5 on the table? I picked one up last week for a couple of hundred bucks, they are great.
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(07-27-2019 05:24 AM)Zep Wrote:  The audio with your interview with EMJ is really good. Is that the Zoom H5 on the table? I picked one up last week for a couple of hundred bucks, they are great.

Yes. The only post processing I did was noise reduction since there was a fountain in his garden.

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Not completely related to Dr Jones, but have a Bible question that I'd like to run by you guys who are followers of Dr Jones

As I am reading my Bible, I have arrived at 1 Thessalonians 2, which Dr Jones frequently refers to as evidence that the Jews killed Christ.

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"14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last"

The Bible that I have is a youth Bible I received while in CCD years ago. There's all kinds of annotations for various passages. After coming across this part I wanted to check the annotations to see if there was any sort of modern interpretation) to this quote. Paraphrasing, the annotations say that Paul pictures the Thessalonian community as being pagan converts and therefore not real Jews. It references 1 Thessalonians 1:9 "For they (Thessalonians) themselves openly declare about us what sort of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God"

Is this an honest interpretation? Does being a convert negate that they are Jews, and therefore Jews did not kill Christ?

Appreciate any take on the matter

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Usually evangelicals write off that passage as the Greek for "Jew" referring to the Jewish religious leaders (Pharisees, Sadducees, etc.) and not Jews as a whole. I'm not really sure what to think, but to me I don't see any reason to think he's not talking about all Jews and think protestants try to write this off because it makes them uncomfortable.
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Yeah I agree. Evangelicals can point to other passages or claim it's a matter of semantics, but the passage states pretty explicitly who did it. Even with the interpretation that is was Jewish religious leaders rather than Jews as a group, it still means that leaders in the Jewish hierarchy had killed logos incarnate, and rejected the order of the universe.

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Someone could verify this but I read a few years ago that the word Jew as we know it didn’t enter the English language until the second edition of the King James Version was printed.

It came to English via the German Jude and the Latin iudex and Greek Ioudaios. The question is where the Greeks got the term from. My reading suggested that they got it from the Babylonian name for its province of Judea which it completely transformed through population ‘migration’ - the captivity of what remained of the tribes of Israel and their replacement by Babylonian subjects from other lands.

This ‘diverse’ province is what the Romans conquered but they allocated a measure of self rule to the religious authorities and to the client King Herod. Neither powers represented the authorities of pre captivity Israel.

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(07-31-2019 01:01 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Someone could verify this but I read a few years ago that the word Jew as we know it didn’t enter the English language until the second edition of the King James Version was printed.

Technically true but not really, it was just spelled differently back then because they didn't have the letter J yet.

Quote:For yee, brethren, became followers of the Churches of God, which in Iudea are in Christ Iesus: for ye also haue suffered like things of your owne countreymen, euen as they haue of the Iewes: 15Who both killed the Lord Iesus, and their owne Prophets, and haue persecuted vs: and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/161...ians-2-14/
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Quote:CNN roving reporter Erin Burnett stalked through Zuccotti Park, looking for someone who could explain it all to her. She found an unemployed software programmer and, cutting to the chase, asked him if he knew that the "taxpayer actually made out on the Wall Street bailouts?" The unemployed programmers was "unaware of the fact." And Erin used the opportunity to demonstrate that the protesters didn't have a clue and that she, as the representative of capitalist-owned media giants like CNN, could be relied on to vindicate the conditional narrative. Pg 19 Barren Metal

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The media pushes the Capitalism or Socialism narrative. It consumes our politics. Yes a lot of socialists are lazy wimps, but a lot - like this software developer aren't. Manufacturing, Agriculture, Software developers drive the economy, not bankers charging usurious loans.

Government power and taxes aren't the answer, neither is bailing out the banks who rake us over the coals.

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(05-04-2019 04:47 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This is a great talk:


I didn't realize that Jones was a complete and total theocrat, or maybe I just didn't want to believe it. He basically wants to run everyone's life according to his own vision of virtue. Is he going to outlaw pre-marital sex?

Does he also realize American's long history of anti-Catholic prejudice? He seems totally ignorant of that. If America does become a theocracy, it won't be the Catholics who are running things. It will be the Protestants who are running things. These are the same kind of people who tried to outlaw private schools back in the 1920's, which was also the same time as that failed "holy experiment" in which alcohol was outlawed.

I thought Jones was a pretty smart guy until I watched this one.

The solution is called individual liberty. That means two consenting adults can have sex, even if they are of the same sex. That also means that adults can refuse to bake a cake for someone if they don't want to bake it.

Basically, Jones has decided that since gays want to impose things on straights by force that straights should impose things on gays by force. How about just outlawing the use of force? Then we can have peace.
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^ this post gave me some nostalgia for the good old libertarian days of 2009 - the naivety is heart warming, if a little unjustifiable ten years later.

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That's a question I asked myself too.
In the interview with Roosh he says scandinavia lost its faith because it was based on a failed christian doctrine, namely protestantism.
I don't necessarily disagree with this however so was america, so what is his prognosis there ?
I didn't ask it here since I didn't hear the second half of the interview yet so maybe it's answered in there.
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(08-03-2019 04:44 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  That's a question I asked myself too.
In the interview with Roosh he says scandinavia lost its faith because it was based on a failed christian doctrine, namely protestantism.

The failed doctrine is called "Judeo-Christian", which has nothing in common with the works of Martin Luther.

Obviously everyone is projecting on his favorite other Christian denomination, carefully avoiding mentioning the elephant in the room.
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I'm not projecting anything, I was just asking naively.
I thought I heard protestantism and not judeo-christianism, and honestly I can't be bothered enough to double-check but your answer sure makes more sense, at least on the surface.
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This was actually a pretty interesting talk. Jones talks more about the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. He also seems to understand the differences between Aristotle and Plato. Catholicism is still very Aristotelian, and Protestantism is still very Platonist. Martin Luther despised Aristotle.

I seriously doubt that all the other Christian sects will ever go back to the Vatican though. That is an impossible dream. Like most cuckservatives, Jones wants a time machine--not the red piil. He wants to go back to the time of that wonderful plague that kill 1/3 of Europe's population.





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(08-06-2019 05:19 PM)puckerman Wrote:  This was actually a pretty interesting talk. Jones talks more about the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. He also seems to understand the differences between Aristotle and Plato. Catholicism is still very Aristotelian, and Protestantism is still very Platonist. Martin Luther despised Aristotle.

I seriously doubt that all the other Christian sects will ever go back to the Vatican though. That is an impossible dream. Like most cuckservatives, Jones wants a time machine--not the red piil. He wants to go back to the time of that wonderful plague that kill 1/3 of Europe's population.

There are two opposite philosophies:

1. Describe some utopia which never happens and try to complain it into existence.

2. Acquire knowledge and develop strategies to deal with an existing fallen world.

As Protestant I choose the second.
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Ask Mr. Jones why the epistle "to the Romans" was written ... in Greek.

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(08-06-2019 07:38 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Ask Mr. Jones why the epistle "to the Romans" was written ... in Greek.


Latin was the language of Rome. The head of the church was passed down through the bishop of Rome, so that is why everything is in Latin. Greek Texts were converted over to Latin. but they are still widely available and are commonly known and used amongst Eastern Orthodox Churches.

What issue is it that they were originally written in Greek?

EMJs whole thing is about LOGOS, a Greek Word.

EMJ digs the Greek but mostly speaks Latin

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I'm getting at the fact that what is called roman catholicism is actually the political offshoot of franco roman imperial rule, not the original church = why there was a split and so many problems historically with "roman" theology and ecclesiology

ps - I like EMJ but he is a classic RC class-ist who is not very honest about the problems now and historically with the church he so strongly stumps for, and always is in this food fight with Protestants

only the Orthodox offer a way out for both groups, which is the irony of all ironies

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(08-06-2019 08:00 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I'm getting at the fact that what is called roman catholicism is actually the political offshoot of franco roman imperial rule, not the original church = why there was a split and so many problems historically with "roman" theology and ecclesiology

ps - I like EMJ but he is a classic RC class-ist who is not very honest about the problems now and historically with the church he so strongly stumps for, and always is in this food fight with Protestants

only the Orthodox offer a way out for both groups, which is the irony of all ironies

This goes to Peter being the first bishop of Rome (Western Tradition) and First Bishop of Antioch (Eastern Tradition). What do Protestant religions say about St. Peter ? Did they call him Pope or Bishop in those times?

I don't think EMJ is dishonest about problems of the Catholic Church, being Catholic could give bias to that, but it really shouldn't. I have heard him go on about the issues in the Church.

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(08-03-2019 03:26 AM)puckerman Wrote:  ...
Basically, Jones has decided that since gays want to impose things on straights by force that straights should impose things on gays by force. How about just outlawing the use of force? Then we can have peace.

Who is going to enforce your laws against using force?

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(08-07-2019 08:57 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 03:26 AM)puckerman Wrote:  ...
Basically, Jones has decided that since gays want to impose things on straights by force that straights should impose things on gays by force. How about just outlawing the use of force? Then we can have peace.

Who is going to enforce your laws against using force?

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It sounds like Jones wants to go back to the good old days when being a protestant or catholic seriously divided the country, like the racial issue today. This didn't begin to change until John Kennedy was elected president. But the prevailing power until then was WASP - white Anglo Saxon protestant. And Orthodox Christianity also looks at Catholicism as the enemy that severely weakened the Byzantine Empire during the Crusades. His approach is to create further divisions and conflict while pursuing a past that no longer exists. There is a protestant/catholic divide for the same reason there is a Sunni/Shia divide, i.e. their dogmas are not the "logos".

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