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I think Jones sees non-Catholic Christians and Islam (and especially Jews) as never capable of realizing the "logos" he refers to constantly. His books go into it way more than I ever could here. I also doubt very much he considered the divisions in the US to be the "good old days," but yes, for him it would be desirous to have a Catholic community that was not constantly bombarded and ripped apart. This was first done mainly by protestants such as Rockefeller and the Ford Foundation to curb Catholic political power and it continues now under Jewish interests, though they were present earlier as well.

In an effort to reduce future Catholic voters, protestants were the senior partners in the effort to legalize birth control after WW2 (the Episcopalians already capitulated to that in 1929 with the Lambeth Conference.). Little did they suspect their own corrupted kids would pop those pills too. Where are the WASPs now? Unsurprisingly, the Jews moved into the senior partner role in keeping down the Catholics ever since then. This got even worse after Vatican II and the accelerating corruption of the Church, which Jones writes and speaks about at length in many places.

Though everyone wants to compare divisions, Shia developed mostly as a reaction to the Arab colonization of Iran. With respect to protestantism in the Anglosphere, Henry VIII wanted a divorce and to steal church property - the sparse theological justification was a crude afterthought. There was a little more going on earlier with Martin Luther, but even then it was minimal, theologically. The significant part was losing the patrimony that apostolic churches like Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox still share.

Give an Englishman a bible and in three weeks you'll have a new religion, which is what happened in the US when all the various flavors came this way. Sure enough, barely a few centuries after the reformation it's little surprise that many sola scriptura Christians and the various European state run churches, absent any true patrimony, are flying gay flags outside, marrying dudes to each other and are on their way to being repurposed as gay night clubs and mosques.

The Catholics and orthodox churches will continue to have their share of problems, but I suspect both will outlast most of their various derivatives.

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(08-07-2019 01:45 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I think Jones sees non-Catholic Christians and Islam (and especially Jews) as never capable of realizing the "logos" he refers to constantly. His books go into it way more than I ever could here. I also doubt very much he considered the divisions in the US to be the "good old days," but yes, for him it would be desirous to have a Catholic community that was not constantly bombarded and ripped apart. This was first done mainly by protestants such as Rockefeller and the Ford Foundation to curb Catholic political power and it continues now under Jewish interests, though they were present earlier as well.


The alliance was actually the Jews and Catholics ganging up against the Protestants, who were the dominant power to beat. Nancy Pelosi is Catholic. The Latin American illegal immigrants are mainly catholic and supported by Catholic charities (who make millions from the government handouts) and will vote for the democratic party. I don't see how this improves things.

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(08-08-2019 07:46 AM)Sherman Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 01:45 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I think Jones sees non-Catholic Christians and Islam (and especially Jews) as never capable of realizing the "logos" he refers to constantly. His books go into it way more than I ever could here. I also doubt very much he considered the divisions in the US to be the "good old days," but yes, for him it would be desirous to have a Catholic community that was not constantly bombarded and ripped apart. This was first done mainly by protestants such as Rockefeller and the Ford Foundation to curb Catholic political power and it continues now under Jewish interests, though they were present earlier as well.


The alliance was actually the Jews and Catholics ganging up against the Protestants, who were the dominant power to beat. Nancy Pelosi is Catholic. The Latin American illegal immigrants are mainly catholic and supported by Catholic charities (who make millions from the government handouts) and will vote for the democratic party. I don't see how this improves things.

There's a difference between Novus Ordo Catholics and Traditionalist Catholics.
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(08-08-2019 07:46 AM)Sherman Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 01:45 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I think Jones sees non-Catholic Christians and Islam (and especially Jews) as never capable of realizing the "logos" he refers to constantly. His books go into it way more than I ever could here. I also doubt very much he considered the divisions in the US to be the "good old days," but yes, for him it would be desirous to have a Catholic community that was not constantly bombarded and ripped apart. This was first done mainly by protestants such as Rockefeller and the Ford Foundation to curb Catholic political power and it continues now under Jewish interests, though they were present earlier as well.


The alliance was actually the Jews and Catholics ganging up against the Protestants, who were the dominant power to beat. Nancy Pelosi is Catholic. The Latin American illegal immigrants are mainly catholic and supported by Catholic charities (who make millions from the government handouts) and will vote for the democratic party. I don't see how this improves things.

Traditional Catholicism has been Jewish enemy numero uno for centuries.
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(08-08-2019 07:46 AM)Sherman Wrote:  The alliance was actually the Jews and Catholics ganging up against the Protestants, who were the dominant power to beat. Nancy Pelosi is Catholic. The Latin American illegal immigrants are mainly catholic and supported by Catholic charities (who make millions from the government handouts) and will vote for the democratic party. I don't see how this improves things.

I'm not seeing this evidenced anywhere. That both groups may have been out of political power did not make them allies. The Protestants worked with the Jews to destroy catholic neighborhoods, an effort which picked up in earnest after WW2. Everything from transposing the black/white conflict onto northern neighborhoods to designing interstates that literally wiped out swaths of old neighborhoods was all in the plan. Protestants didn't want future Catholic voters and Jews had an axe to grind since before the country was even discovered. It's covered in depth in Slaughter of Cities.





The corruption of morals which followed in Europe after WW2 and later in America helped eviscerate Catholics and picked up steam with the end of the Production Code, and accelerated again with the Communications "Decency" act, opening the doors to 24-7 porno everywhere. The latter push was promoted by largely Jewish Hollywood through propaganda like Boogie Nights and The People Versus Larry Flynt, solidifying the myth that licentiousness is liberty and is enshrined in the constitution. This saga is covered in Libido Dominandi.




That book also covers Vatican II, which coupled with the social engineering (plans that big shot protestants like Carnegie and Rockefeller supported and funded) gave the false green light for priests to run away and get married, leaving the homosexuals in charge, especially with the Jesuits - an order still corrupted to this day (see their rag, America Magazine). We all know where that led - to the "pedophile" crisis, which was and is really a crisis of homosexuals running the show in the Church. I agree about Catholic charity organizations and too often they are not even run by Catholics and amount to false teachings with their open borders nonsense. Even EMJ remarked that a nation without borders is like a triangle without sides - it can't exist.

That Nancy Pelosi identifies as a Catholic is utterly meaningless - she wants money, she toes the line to AIPAC and other Jewish interests, as do they all. Illegal immigrants from Latin America are wanted for votes and cheap labor, not because they happen to be Catholic. If they were strongly supportive of restrictive abortion laws and boycotted Hollywood sex films, that border wall would be built tomorrow, yet their culture too has been socially engineered and subverted by following the same path of usury and social engineering.

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(08-06-2019 05:44 PM)wwtl Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 05:19 PM)puckerman Wrote:  This was actually a pretty interesting talk. Jones talks more about the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. He also seems to understand the differences between Aristotle and Plato. Catholicism is still very Aristotelian, and Protestantism is still very Platonist. Martin Luther despised Aristotle.

I seriously doubt that all the other Christian sects will ever go back to the Vatican though. That is an impossible dream. Like most cuckservatives, Jones wants a time machine--not the red piil. He wants to go back to the time of that wonderful plague that kill 1/3 of Europe's population.

There are two opposite philosophies:

1. Describe some utopia which never happens and try to complain it into existence.

Platonic Idealism. See: Plato's Republic, his philosophy of Forms.

Quote:2. Acquire knowledge and develop strategies to deal with an existing fallen world.

Aristotellian. See: his defense of rhetoric. In an imperfect world we need salesmen, and it's an honourable profession.

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Since Pope Francis is the clear authority of the Catholic Church, that would mean this is the "logos".


"Pope Francis Says That All Dogs Go to Heaven"

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(08-08-2019 04:04 PM)Sherman Wrote:  Since Pope Francis is the clear authority of the Catholic Church, that would mean this is the "logos".

No, only that Francis is not such a good pope. Jones went into detail about him in his book Pope Francis in Context, discussed below. EMJ has been pretty critical of Pope Francis (Bergolio), especially when he shot his mouth off about homosexuality and his "Who am I to judge?" nonsense. He's really not even well versed in Catholic philosophical teachings. (See 40:59 for an example.)




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But in the Catholic Church, the pope has authority, whereas Jones is just a man with an opinion. So, if he considers his opinion of official holy matters or scripture more valid than the Pope's, wouldn't that make him a protestant?

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(08-08-2019 06:45 PM)Sherman Wrote:  But in the Catholic Church, the pope has authority, whereas Jones is just a man with an opinion. So, if he considers his opinion of official holy matters or scripture more valid than the Pope's, wouldn't that make him a protestant?

I've entertained this kind of mental masturbation and seen the error of my ways.

An institution spanning hundreds of years is not invalidated because satan managed to put some pedophiles in the top positions. Your stance is such that you'd burn a library because the current curator listed an LBGT magazine as the book of the week.

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(08-08-2019 08:31 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 06:45 PM)Sherman Wrote:  But in the Catholic Church, the pope has authority, whereas Jones is just a man with an opinion. So, if he considers his opinion of official holy matters or scripture more valid than the Pope's, wouldn't that make him a protestant?

I've entertained this kind of mental masturbation and seen the error of my ways.

An institution spanning hundreds of years is not invalidated because satan managed to put some pedophiles in the top positions. Your stance is such that you'd burn a library because the current curator listed an LBGT magazine as the book of the week.

The Catholic Church might not be at its peak right now but it's the best repository for spiritual warfare we have. Protestant lines trapped in eternal infancy are not even a close second.

The complaint I was hearing here is that the protestants each come up with their own interpretations and subsequent organizations, so you end up with a lot of different churches, which creates confusion.

But, in a spiritual matter, one Pope says "Dogs go to Heaven" and the previous Pope said "Dogs don't go to heaven". This is actually a signifcant issue within their jurisdication and authority. But they both come up with different conclusions. So if there is one "logos", then two Popes have two different views of that one logos. Even popes can't agree on what is the "logos".

So, my point is, maybe the "logos" can't be calculated by a definite algorithm or by one authority. The theory of the Catholic Church is it is an organization and the buck stops at the Pope, and you have to follow the authority. If you don't follow the authority, then you are Martin Luther. But different popes differ on what is the "logos".

So, my point is, maybe the protestants are closer to the truth in allowing people to have different interpretations, because the one organized system although more certain, certainty doesn't equal correct.

You have one moon. But you can have more than one finger pointing to that one moon.

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The takeaway from this is that papal infallibility is very misunderstood. It’s extremely limited in comparison to what people think of and only applies to official doctrinal pronouncements.

Things like Francis saying who am I to Judge aren’t published, official pronouncements. They’re commentary.

It’s also not the first time this has already happened. Back during the early church they had a heretical movement who actually managed to depose the sitting pope and put their puppet in charge. Upon being put into office he immediately flipped and started affirming existing church doctrine eventually being martyred.
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(08-08-2019 08:55 PM)Sherman Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:31 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 06:45 PM)Sherman Wrote:  But in the Catholic Church, the pope has authority, whereas Jones is just a man with an opinion. So, if he considers his opinion of official holy matters or scripture more valid than the Pope's, wouldn't that make him a protestant?

I've entertained this kind of mental masturbation and seen the error of my ways.

An institution spanning hundreds of years is not invalidated because satan managed to put some pedophiles in the top positions. Your stance is such that you'd burn a library because the current curator listed an LBGT magazine as the book of the week.

The Catholic Church might not be at its peak right now but it's the best repository for spiritual warfare we have. Protestant lines trapped in eternal infancy are not even a close second.

The complaint I was hearing here is that the protestants each come up with their own interpretations and subsequent organizations, so you end up with a lot of different churches, which creates confusion.

But, in a spiritual matter, one Pope says "Dogs go to Heaven" and the previous Pope said "Dogs don't go to heaven". This is actually a signifcant issue within their jurisdication and authority. But they both come up with different conclusions. So if there is one "logos", then two Popes have two different views of that one logos. Even popes can't agree on what is the "logos".

So, my point is, maybe the "logos" can't be calculated by a definite algorithm or by one authority. The theory of the Catholic Church is it is an organization and the buck stops at the Pope, and you have to follow the authority. If you don't follow the authority, then you are Martin Luther. But different popes differ on what is the "logos".

So, my point is, maybe the protestants are closer to the truth in allowing people to have different interpretations, because the one organized system although more certain, certainty doesn't equal correct.

You have one moon. But you can have more than one finger pointing to that one moon.

Did he pronounce it from the Seat of Peter, as a matter of doctrine which all Catholics must believe? No? Then it's just the fool's opinion.

Until he sits in that seat and speaks heresy, I roll my eyes at his idiocy. He's the Pope; he has one job; I don't have to pay attention to his opinions on comic books or dog souls which he mentions in his spare time.

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(08-08-2019 10:48 AM)Aurini Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 05:44 PM)wwtl Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 05:19 PM)puckerman Wrote:  This was actually a pretty interesting talk. Jones talks more about the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. He also seems to understand the differences between Aristotle and Plato. Catholicism is still very Aristotelian, and Protestantism is still very Platonist. Martin Luther despised Aristotle.

I seriously doubt that all the other Christian sects will ever go back to the Vatican though. That is an impossible dream. Like most cuckservatives, Jones wants a time machine--not the red piil. He wants to go back to the time of that wonderful plague that kill 1/3 of Europe's population.

There are two opposite philosophies:

1. Describe some utopia which never happens and try to complain it into existence.

Platonic Idealism. See: Plato's Republic, his philosophy of Forms.

Quote:2. Acquire knowledge and develop strategies to deal with an existing fallen world.

Aristotellian. See: his defense of rhetoric. In an imperfect world we need salesmen, and it's an honourable profession.

You're thinking like a Catholic, brother. Welcome to the club!

I hope so. Otherwise I would endorse women ordination.
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(08-08-2019 08:55 PM)Sherman Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:31 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 06:45 PM)Sherman Wrote:  But in the Catholic Church, the pope has authority, whereas Jones is just a man with an opinion. So, if he considers his opinion of official holy matters or scripture more valid than the Pope's, wouldn't that make him a protestant?

I've entertained this kind of mental masturbation and seen the error of my ways.

An institution spanning hundreds of years is not invalidated because satan managed to put some pedophiles in the top positions. Your stance is such that you'd burn a library because the current curator listed an LBGT magazine as the book of the week.

The Catholic Church might not be at its peak right now but it's the best repository for spiritual warfare we have. Protestant lines trapped in eternal infancy are not even a close second.

The complaint I was hearing here is that the protestants each come up with their own interpretations and subsequent organizations, so you end up with a lot of different churches, which creates confusion.

But, in a spiritual matter, one Pope says "Dogs go to Heaven" and the previous Pope said "Dogs don't go to heaven". This is actually a signifcant issue within their jurisdication and authority. But they both come up with different conclusions. So if there is one "logos", then two Popes have two different views of that one logos. Even popes can't agree on what is the "logos".

So, my point is, maybe the "logos" can't be calculated by a definite algorithm or by one authority. The theory of the Catholic Church is it is an organization and the buck stops at the Pope, and you have to follow the authority. If you don't follow the authority, then you are Martin Luther. But different popes differ on what is the "logos".

So, my point is, maybe the protestants are closer to the truth in allowing people to have different interpretations, because the one organized system although more certain, certainty doesn't equal correct.

You have one moon. But you can have more than one finger pointing to that one moon.

One of the people pointing at the moon is a blue collar coal miner from a family line of blue collar coal miners who just picked up a year 12 Physics textbook. The other is a chief NASA scientist from a family of STEM experts.

The last rocket exploded.

Let's all write off the masters and ask the coal guy.

Good plan.

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If that’s a reference to Homer Hickam, the coal miner guy made quite a good engineer once he was trained up in the profession as I recall.
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It's not a reference to anyone but as you inferred, he wasn't taking a bunch of basic textbooks and then figuring out how to put a space station into orbit.

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This is the calmest EMJ recording I have ever heard.




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(08-08-2019 08:31 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  An institution spanning hundreds of years is not invalidated because satan managed to put some pedophiles in the top positions.

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(08-09-2019 11:33 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  This is the calmest EMJ recording I have ever heard.




I had the exact same thought. It was weird.

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All his videos have just been disappeared from youtube, his channel is still there though. Is that there weasel way of saying we didn't ban you?
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He got his channel shut down for 2 weeks for a, "violation of our Community Guidelines" for the video "It's Okay to Criticize Jews" violating their hate speech policy.

The exact kind of thing Jones talks about: "hate speech" being defined as anything the SPLC doesn't like - criticism of Jews.





One more strike in the next 3 months and they'll shut his channel down - all of his videos are at culturewars.com in the event that that likely happens.
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I'm over halfway through Libido Dominandi, but I'm thinking of stopping. I'm finding it difficult to read. I've listened to videos of E. Michael Jones talking about the subject, and they were very interesting. He gives examples of how sex has been used to distract, weaken, and ultimately control people throughout history. I found the start of the book interesting, where it discusses Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Illumanti and Marque de Sade. However, after that, I thought the writing became too unfocused. I think the book could use an editor. The book could be improved if the ideas were presented in a clearer, economic way. I don't feel like I could explain to someone most of what I've read. When he wrote it he was probably working on his own. Does anyone know of any other books on this topic?
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(08-08-2019 09:24 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  The takeaway from this is that papal infallibility is very misunderstood. It’s extremely limited in comparison to what people think of and only applies to official doctrinal pronouncements.

Things like Francis saying who am I to Judge aren’t published, official pronouncements. They’re commentary.

It’s also not the first time this has already happened. Back during the early church they had a heretical movement who actually managed to depose the sitting pope and put their puppet in charge. Upon being put into office he immediately flipped and started affirming existing church doctrine eventually being martyred.

Forgive me, it's only misunderstood because it is in fact a heresy. Trust me, this is not an attack it's an analysis of what happened in history and it is explainable, thus we can talk about it, though I don't doubt the group of you (who I generally respect) won't listen. This is here for others (I would hope for you too, but that's ok) as result.

It is a 19th century council pronouncement or declaration, yes, accepted by the Roman Catholic Church, Vatican I or the First Vatican Council. Such a pronouncement is unheard of in church history, which is why this happened in ... the 19th century (of course, as usual, another RC/Protestant battle). What's more, it actually was a requirement logically as a way to explain the doctrine of Immaculate Conception (no this does not refer to Jesus Christ) which very few RC members I've ever spoken to even realize. It was a power move by the Pope to counter claims against the See and also to rectify the Original Sin doctrine, since the person who births the Christ can't be stained with sin, transmitting this sexually to Him. That idea (the RC idea of "Original Sin") is incorrect and not orthodox to begin with, so we have that problem, but this council further compounded the problems.

The century plus that we have been removed from this obviously heretical conciliar judgment has always been about how no one actually speaks "ex cathedra" (applying this infallibility principle) on anything of real import, another proof that renders the council irrelevant and proving that it is a sort of embarrasment, since they know deep down it's ridiculous.

I want to state also that I have and will defend the Roman Catholic Church where it needs to be defended, and that the falling away from it has caused tremendous problems culturally in the West, whatever its role in causing it was, impacting us all negatively since faithful Christians bring the light and truth of God not seen in "secular" realms. You will never see me saying that an institution should be "invalidated" (as Leonard discusses, this is foolishness) due to having weeds among its structures, but when it comes to right thinking, right belief, and right practice, I will absolutely point out what is problematic and why this has damaged christianity in general if this thinking persists.

There is not a major clash between "conservatives" and SJW types of the RC Church right now for nothing. I'm not making that up and it is a manifestation of the historically problematic ecclesiology of that church.

Get your passport ready!
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His YouTube channel is coming up with a "This Channel Doesn't Have Any Content" message. Has he just been deplatformed?
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