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RE: Is The Girl You're Seeing Sleeping With Other Guys? Quick Test
(01-20-2018 01:13 PM)Steelex Wrote:  Don't think you can find shit by creeping her phone either. A smart bitch will have a hidden app for texting men and a good counter intelligence app for finding a key logger or other spy shit you might put on her phone. She will leave her phone out in plain view with no pass code and give you the pass code, because she knows you don't know how to find the secret shit that would actually incriminate her.

I know this sounds paranoid, but I'm icy from the things I have seen, and the things I have done.

If you don't want to be cheated on, don't play a game with rules in the first place.

And sometimes, she will drink too much and pass out before her phone goes to screen lock. There isn't much she can do to change her Uber/Lyft ride records - have a look. Odd ride times to neighborhoods where you don't know anybody and convenient timing - like when you were out of town - can speak volumes.

She doesn't need to share anything with you for that to happen, just has to get careless, which so many still do.

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(01-21-2018 09:28 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 03:40 AM)DarianFrey Wrote:  
(01-20-2018 08:24 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, I will get into the nitty gritty...

Sometimes you'll text a plate and she's busy. She's actually at her mom's house, working, or doing something else, shopping, whatever. We all have other stuff to do. Sometimes I'd rather watch TV than have sex, or I'm just doing other stuff.

However, if a plate is constantly busy, she's fucking someone else. If sex is hard to get, she's fucking someone else.

One of my favorite stories. This is how my Aunt and Uncle got together:

"Babe, I want to take you out. I can make Thursday or Saturday work."
"I could do Thursday..."
"Saturday it is."

I asked my uncle about this. Why Saturday?

His response? "Because if she's busy on a Saturday she's seeing someone else."

In any event, this is my point. It's very easy when a woman is into you, and you're the best thing she has going on. She'll be responsive to your texts, spend time with you, and generally drop what she's doing to bang. Ask her to come over and get pizza and watch Clueless. She's usually game.

If she's busy, she'll tell you that and reschedule. It's not "Oh, I'd love to see you, but my dog is sick!" It's "I'm at my mom's house but I'll be around tomorrow. Come over?"

This is a matter of calibration. I can always tell when she's seeing someone else or the interest is low. I've just been down this road so many times that it's not rocket science anymore.

She's either on the fence or she's all in. Either way...

I was sure I'd read a similar story of yours in another thread, a long time ago.

Sure enough, here it is. About your grandmother and grandfather.

Why do you alter the story Hank?

I appreciate your threads and advice but this is very strange.

It's my aunt and uncle.

I try and post personal stuff, but not too personal, because this is an anonymous account. Inconsequential details are sometimes changed to maintain plausible deniability.

Anyone who knows me in real life knows that story. I tell it all the time.

Candidly, I have a lot of SJW enemies in real life, which resulted in a very public lawsuit (that I won). Someday I might even write about it.

Now that the personal litigation has been finalized, I'm less guarded about my identity.

In your OP you said your grandfather was a "man's man. World War 2 naval officer, corporate executive in the 1960s, cigar smoker, whiskey drinker, etc. Don Draper mixed with Hugh Heffner, always dressed to the 9s."

Isn't by chance your Uncle a Vietnam War medal of honor recipient, Wall street executive in the 80s, cigar smoker, whisky drinker,etc. A mix between Don Johnson and Gordon Gekko, always dressed to the 9s?))))

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(01-22-2018 11:24 PM)Rocha Wrote:  In your OP you said your grandfather was a "man's man. World War 2 naval officer, corporate executive in the 1960s, cigar smoker, whiskey drinker, etc. Don Draper mixed with Hugh Heffner, always dressed to the 9s."

Isn't by chance your Uncle a Vietnam War medal of honor recipient, Wall street executive in the 80s, cigar smoker, whisky drinker,etc. A mix between Don Johnson and Gordon Gekko, always dressed to the 9s?))))

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(01-22-2018 11:24 PM)Rocha Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 09:28 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 03:40 AM)DarianFrey Wrote:  
(01-20-2018 08:24 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, I will get into the nitty gritty...

Sometimes you'll text a plate and she's busy. She's actually at her mom's house, working, or doing something else, shopping, whatever. We all have other stuff to do. Sometimes I'd rather watch TV than have sex, or I'm just doing other stuff.

However, if a plate is constantly busy, she's fucking someone else. If sex is hard to get, she's fucking someone else.

One of my favorite stories. This is how my Aunt and Uncle got together:

"Babe, I want to take you out. I can make Thursday or Saturday work."
"I could do Thursday..."
"Saturday it is."

I asked my uncle about this. Why Saturday?

His response? "Because if she's busy on a Saturday she's seeing someone else."

In any event, this is my point. It's very easy when a woman is into you, and you're the best thing she has going on. She'll be responsive to your texts, spend time with you, and generally drop what she's doing to bang. Ask her to come over and get pizza and watch Clueless. She's usually game.

If she's busy, she'll tell you that and reschedule. It's not "Oh, I'd love to see you, but my dog is sick!" It's "I'm at my mom's house but I'll be around tomorrow. Come over?"

This is a matter of calibration. I can always tell when she's seeing someone else or the interest is low. I've just been down this road so many times that it's not rocket science anymore.

She's either on the fence or she's all in. Either way...

I was sure I'd read a similar story of yours in another thread, a long time ago.

Sure enough, here it is. About your grandmother and grandfather.

Why do you alter the story Hank?

I appreciate your threads and advice but this is very strange.

It's my aunt and uncle.

I try and post personal stuff, but not too personal, because this is an anonymous account. Inconsequential details are sometimes changed to maintain plausible deniability.

Anyone who knows me in real life knows that story. I tell it all the time.

Candidly, I have a lot of SJW enemies in real life, which resulted in a very public lawsuit (that I won). Someday I might even write about it.

Now that the personal litigation has been finalized, I'm less guarded about my identity.

In your OP you said your grandfather was a "man's man. World War 2 naval officer, corporate executive in the 1960s, cigar smoker, whiskey drinker, etc. Don Draper mixed with Hugh Heffner, always dressed to the 9s."

Isn't by chance your Uncle a Vietnam War medal of honor recipient, Wall street executive in the 80s, cigar smoker, whisky drinker,etc. A mix between Don Johnson and Gordon Gekko, always dressed to the 9s?))))

Grandfather served in WW2, got a bunch of metals, and was in the navy. His naval picture is hanging in my bedroom.

Went on to run one of the biggest companies in Philly. Never seen the old man without a suit jacket. A man with class and grace. He went to the same private collage that I ultimately graduated from (after dropping out of high school, going to community college, and then getting into a very good one. it's a very long story).

My uncle is a successful lawyer. Mostly of the same cloth.

I'm not sure how much detail you want or what your question is.

I grew up sort of poor, but sort of rich too. I can't really explain it better. If you have a specific question, I would be happy to answer it.
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^ Can this topic go back to "Women sleeping with other dudes" instead of, well, not that?

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None of what I wrote should ever happen again, but if you read it I am just hoping for your take on what was going on here as a way to learn from this. I'm not 100% over this girl, but I've calmed down substantially (even almost got violent in public in different scenarios and with different people out of stress early on after the break up). I am probably at 80% over the girl and have decided to finally take a trip out of the continent. Not because of her entirely, much more so for financial, bang mission, and moving to a new chapter in life type reasons. I won't say I wasn't itching to leave for a while now though, because it is true that a lot of what I see regularly here reminds me of her or I bump into people on occasionally that have some tie to her, no matter how slight (could be as slight as same nationality).

So something that happened to me in my only case of oneitis since I was 17 (end of the 20s approaching). I was seeing many other girls while I was with her and if I remember correctly slept with like 8 besides her in the 5 months we were together. From the first time I saw the girl I literally had a pain in my lower abdomen for a good 30 seconds. She was attractive, more or less a 7-8 depending on taste. If you like that racial group you could go as high as 8.5-9 (particularly if in love with the group and beta), and I think it is really hard for anyone to say shes not at least a 6 and those are probably HUGE players (think 500+ notch normal guys or celebs or whatever). I gave her a 7.5 in my notes that I take when I approach a girl to remember who she is the first day, so I wasn't clouded by my oneitis at the time.


As I said I went on lots of dates and did tons of approaches while with her, and slept with 8 other women. I'm almost as certain as I can be that when I approached two girls of her same nationality (this is a foreign girl in America) that she knew about it either immediately or within a day (small group of this nationality in the city and from what she told me early on they seem to have something similar to what I read about once on the forum that Filipinas have in the Philippines where they post what foreign guys write to them on tinder or whatsapp or whatever to see how many girls he is talking with. She didn't describe it like that but because I had read that on the forum previously what she was saying added up to something in that realm at least in part). The reason I suspect she knew is because it was in her personality to be teasing in a slightly mean way at most for most of the relationship, but nothing too aggressive. Both times after those approaches, where I didn't think they were of her national group to begin with and was like oh fuck when I found out, she called me basically immediately after I texted the girls, who gave me their numbers and suddenly did the "I have a boyfriend" and radio silence thing, and she bitched me out pretty bad without stating a real reason. Like the second girl I got her number and was hesitant to even text, but I was like if she already knows then I'm already screwed so I might as well and deal with the situation if she gets in my face about it. So I texted the second girl like three days after the number, got the I have a boyfriend thing, and honestly I think it was about a minute later that my oneitis called me and bitched me out big time.

Also, I brought a bunch of girls, not of her national group or race, to a venue I used to hit a lot where a guy from her national group that apparently knew her worked. He was actually a total dick in a lot of ways himself. Like for instance he once saw me with a Latina there, because he basically waited on us (he had done the same with like 5 other girls I brought in that period) and he tried to pull the "why don't you bring that Mexican girl here Thursday for a double date thing." At the time I thought he was just trying to trick me into making moves on a girl I was obviously seeing, the Latina, because he was a snake and thought I was a retard. Based on what happened in the future at the end of the relationship, where everything went terrible, I get the feeling he was trying to set me up so the main girl would either be there or he'd record me or something (I know that sounds paranoid, but I have strong reasons to believe this shit). For instance after all this when I'd randomly bump into attractive girls of that nationality it was weird how they treated me, as if they knew about me or my reputation specifically with regards to how I acted and the things I would say to the girl I had been seeing. This is all taking place within a certain section of the same city by the way.


Yeah, I guess I was a retard and jerk or whatever anyone will call it. So on to the is she cheating type talk, that was background.


So this girl, as far as what she said and what I still believe, was a virgin. I have reasons to doubt this, but several months out from the situation I still have way more reason to believe she was actually a virgin than not. Also I should note I am not in any way the type of guy that is looking for a virgin wife or virgin girl, I was against getting with a virgin in theory and my experiences with them have added fuel to that idea. Not saying I want a slut, as I'd honestly rather have a wife that strips or whatever then a dumb girl that sleeps around for no reason, but I'd rather the chick I get with in an LTR have had her sexual experiences and decide "ok, he is what I want" then a virgin that still has stupid fantasies because she has only been with me and never acted on anything (I realize women change in relationships regardless of how they start and new fantasies can come up way later).


She did a lot of the classic things mentioned in this thread, like the whole not going out of her way to see me thing. I am trying to be unbiased here although it may not sound like it, but I can still explain away a bunch of that not being super available stuff. She is from a very conservative religious family, lived with an overbearing mom, brother, and sister, there is a strong racial conflict between or races/nationalities that would make the whole come over to my house thing hard with her family, and a bunch of other stuff. Despite that and her busy schedule (work/school full load which I can confirm wasn't a story because I went to both several times), we spent a good amount of time together and were texting or facetiming a lot and daily. She just never took the step of "forget my family I want you" like I'm more used to and even explicitly told her this is how a girl acts when she really wants a guy.


A girl I was seeing when I went to another city, who I had sex with and a day later spoke nonstop about the oneitis girl to and obviously pissed off even said, "I don't get why you are sprung on some dumb bitch in (so and so state) that is obviously fucking with other guys." Granted I realize that was partly anger on why I'm sitting there talking so much about another girl after sex for the first time.


So aside from all the other nonsense let me get to the point. About 3 times over 4 months with this girl, having gone out with her dozens of times, she looked with a strong gaze at a guy we were passing at a given place. Like it was so obvious I still don't know if she was doing it on purpose (which would make sense because of her most likely knowing I'm actively cheating or at least trying hard to cheat) or she was literally the dumbest girl on the planet or she just cared that little for me. I can't believe she was THAT dumb though if she did in fact have at least some feelings for me because in the most obvious instance, which I will briefly explain, she could easily have just gone back to that place like two minutes later because we were both leaving separate ways from there and done whatever with the guy (give her number or something, it wasn't a nightlife venue). Plus she wasn't a dumb girl by any means, pretty damn smart with the books and I'd probably believe she was a girl that was so crafty with her game (in a devious type way) that she could easily get guys to trick if she had in fact tried to do that with me. By trick I don't mean sell it, I mean get gifts or cash without even really giving anything sexual in return.

I actually spent less money on her through those five months than she did on me, and I know she was broke and she was under the impression that I was too (parents house, average to shitty car, not spending money on dates basically at all, cheap clothes). She even asked me if I was a drug dealer a couple of months into the relationship because I never seemed to work and although I didn't spend much I was never in need (not a drug dealer, day trader).


So basically the first guy she stared at was like 6'7'' (I'm 6'2''). Didn't like the shit, but it was a brief stare but obvious and we were walking next to each other. I was almost on go off on her and the guy mode but I was like let me be icy about this and see how it unfolds. Pretty sure she never saw the guy before or again unless being ultra paranoid and thinking he was a plant is reasonable. This was after the first girl of her nationality number that led to her randomly calling me and bitching me out.

The second guy was not even really attractive. He was a good amount shorter than me, working a shitty job, had a normal thin body (not super skinny but really not any muscle, just slim), and had an average face even if you like his look. This guy she stared at hard and obviously for like a minute directly in front of me to the point where he smiled back hard and without thinking I guess I gave off the you're about to get strangled vibe to him and he looked at me and walked off. Some other shit happened between that look and us leaving that was way too annoying and way too fishy, but I never saw her look directly at him after that initial look. I can't say that she didn't slip him her number while I was busy with something out of range and site, but I also can't put my finger on her actually doing something. The biggest caveat to this guy, it was days or at most a week after I called the second girl from her national group and she called me within a minute and bitched me out without mentioning the girl from her national group. Also, as I said, this guy was both physically speaking and in terms of work and basically everything way below the other two, and I can pretty much honestly say below me. What I mean is not that I'm better than the guy, but without giving exact numbers, if the first guy I mentioned was a 9, and let's say I'm a 7, this guy was probably objectively a 5 (not exact numbers, just speaking relatively). But she was the most blatant and obvious and continuous about this one.


The next guy was around my height and genuinely attractive, more so than either of the other guys and I'll probably/definitely say more so than me. She did a glance and such but kept it moving, although it was such that unless she was a retard she knew I saw and it seemed intentional (not the oh that's a hot guy look/look away or my equivalent oh that's a big booty I just stared for a second, sorry, type thing).


I know the shit is unacceptable, and I have no legit reason to believe she actually cheated and I'm relatively certain she is still a virgin even now.

I know I sound and acted like a total chump in many many ways. I did it despite knowing the whole time I was being a chump and that there were many better options out there than her. I decided at one point, I guess because of oneitis, forget all that I'm going to make it work with this chick. Not in the sense of oh she looked at other guys but I'll still make her love me, in the sense of forget this player stuff and I don't care about how she is behaving now, I'll settle down with her and try monogamy and a serious relationship for once both because I'm ready for it at this point and because I have strong feelings for her.

All that being said, again, I know I acted like a chump and I sound like a chump now. At this point I just want other opinions on the subject for future reference. Although I refuse to give in to the whole let your love flow shit anymore especially after this. I read Iceberg Slim because it was passed to me about a decade ago by a guy in a similar type lifestyle (as Slim not me) and although I never went fully into that mindset I was generally always informed by that type of outlook even from my family life as a young guy (dad was not a pimp or anything, just an abusive don't let the woman run the show and the woman fights back regardless type thing. Not beta or alpha either, more on the broken and dark side of things). Basically be icy at the core even when you are smiling and totally engaged.

Again, barely spent any money on her throughout the whole relationship, so I wasn't tricking either.


Ok, so was she:

1. Actually interested in the guys and probably at least chatting up lots of other guys if not that second guy. Maybe even taking it in the ass like I did semi successfully with her once or some oral type thing if not full on vaginal and the virginity was either a lie or given up.

2. Just trying to show me to my face that if I sneak around she will bluntly and openly do it in front of me (all three guys were after the first girl of her nationality whose number I got and she called and bitched me out and I'm sure the guy at the venue I attended was either telling her the whole time or eventually did near break up time). Is this the case whether this was to make me jealous, to make me stop, or just to be vindictive/vengeful.

3. Is she really just somewhat retarded in general or because of virginity or something? I ask this last one particularly because the look she gave reminded me of the same exact look I will never forget that my good friend's college ex gave me the first minute I met her when we were all 20. It wasn't exactly a come bang me look like I said earlier, that was a slight mis-characterization. When I met my friend's girl it was like a year after he took her virginity (he wasn't a virgin himself) after they had met in college. She really wasn't the slutty type and I'll stick to that to this day (although I haven't even seen her in a long time). When I first met her we shook hands after I hugged my friend (went to a totally different state than I did and we both left our home state), and I said to her, "oh so this is (girl's name), you're gorgeous." I wasn't hitting on her and my good friend was right there, I was just trying to say what's up but in a way that would more so compliment my friend's work in getting her than even her herself. Maybe I was wrong/stupid for saying that though and I haven't said that type of thing since to any girl I see with any guy, but I'm sure it was clear I wasn't trying to get with her. I was in great shape at the time and I think I'm pretty good looking though, if that's relevant. She gave me the same look for like 5 seconds that this oneitis girl gave the other guys and she did so right in front of her boyfriend, who all three of us knew was my very good friend. Nothing ever happened between us, even so much as a facebook add (facebook was actually a thing back then), other than random talk and maybe a little platonic joking between the three of us.

That night I stayed at my friend's place in a spare room while they were in his room together. Me and my friend were high, but she wasn't. I heard him yelling at her and she said some things back, but I couldn't make out the words. She came to my room and brought me an apple, put on Scarface for me, giggled without even saying much, and left. Literally nothing else even really happened. Months later my friend, not entirely speaking about me and his girl, said, "you've seen the way she looks at people (meaning me because I never saw her look at another guy). I can't stand that shit. I've told her to stop a bunch of times but she still does it. I'm with her all day (basically 24/7) and I know her too, so I know she isn't cheating. But that shit still drives me crazy, I'm going to have to drop her eventually."

I remember saying something like maybe that's just a part of her expressions/mannerisms, she obviously never did anything with me. He dropped her about a year after that and he never gave me a reason to believe she cheated.

Now about a decade later I see that same look on a virgin girl for the first time, but this time it is my own girl.


This is as close to being cucked as I've ever been and the only time I've substantially let my guard down with a chick. When I say cucked, again, I have no reason or evidence that she did in fact cheat in any way. I wouldn't be surprised if she was giving her number out occasionally when approached, but I also would be surprised if that was the case or at least a regular thing. Can't say either way, but now I've learned that even looking at another guy when with me will not be tolerated by me unless I truly do not care about the girl at all or the chick is about to apply to the strip club so I can retire, her choice.


Oh and last thing. After the first girl of her nationality and bitching out scenario she also mentioned a few times over the course of the months that so and so guy (no guys she regularly saw, just like customers at work and what not) would give her compliments and shit like that. Again, all I can guess is either she didn't care what I thought at all, was trying to purposely mess with my head, or was absolutely retarded.

Oh, and option four, a combination of those three.

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How to keep most girls from straying: run tight game from the get go.

They'll fear losing you often times. That said, even if you THINK she's never cheated you will never know. Girls can sense when you're secure with or without them and it tends to make them focus on you.

Instead of trying to come up with tactics to find out if she is with someone else, why not just master the tactics that keep her with you?

I feel like making tests to figure out if a girl is cheating is an admission that your game isn't where it needs to be.

1. Stop fucking total sl00ts.
2. Run better game.

Do you think MikeCF is running tests to see if his wife's cheating?

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Stop projecting, you guys are paranoid/insecure as fuck.

If you even consider she is, then next her because the seed is planted and all you are going to do is push her away.

If she is cheating? You find out and move on. Circumstances don't make a person, they reveal them.

Steelex killed it, anyone who knows a cheater knows how good they are at covering it up.

It's more about projection and how what they project on to you instead of the I can'ts and won'ts because that's when you are pushing for meetups etc.

Don't conflate being needy with her cheating, they are not the same thing.

Again, don't worry about it, I have said this before and I have said this again- testament to your game is not the girls you fuck but how hard you are at not giving a fuck when shit goes wrong with them and doing your own thing.

The more you stress, the more you project and the more you push her away.

Stop being paranoid and if you feel this way, next her and fuck some other girls.

It's ironic how guys want to fuck so many other girls with the worry that they may be fucking other guys; if you don't feel this way then it doesn't apply to you.

Expose yourself to the real nature of women.

I have fucked 8-9 girls with boyfriends in the 2 years leading up to my current relationship and their boyfriends were none the wiser. Trust women to be women. They are professionals at covering it up.

If you find out, it's because she let her guard down because she stopped giving a shit (your game was weak etc.) or she wants you to find out because she can't bring herself to tell you to move on.

If someone else tells you, it's because she was shit at it/it's been going on for a long enough time for her to cross paths with others in your circle.

All these tests and shits are going to do is make you insecure and paranoid.

It's not healthy.
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(01-24-2018 03:26 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:  None of what I wrote should ever happen again, but if you read it I am just hoping for your take on what was going on here as a way to learn from this. I'm not 100% over this girl, but I've calmed down substantially (even almost got violent in public in different scenarios and with different people out of stress early on after the break up). I am probably at 80% over the girl and have decided to finally take a trip out of the continent. Not because of her entirely, much more so for financial, bang mission, and moving to a new chapter in life type reasons. I won't say I wasn't itching to leave for a while now though, because it is true that a lot of what I see regularly here reminds me of her or I bump into people on occasionally that have some tie to her, no matter how slight (could be as slight as same nationality).

So something that happened to me in my only case of oneitis since I was 17 (end of the 20s approaching). I was seeing many other girls while I was with her and if I remember correctly slept with like 8 besides her in the 5 months we were together. From the first time I saw the girl I literally had a pain in my lower abdomen for a good 30 seconds. She was attractive, more or less a 7-8 depending on taste. If you like that racial group you could go as high as 8.5-9 (particularly if in love with the group and beta), and I think it is really hard for anyone to say shes not at least a 6 and those are probably HUGE players (think 500+ notch normal guys or celebs or whatever). I gave her a 7.5 in my notes that I take when I approach a girl to remember who she is the first day, so I wasn't clouded by my oneitis at the time.


As I said I went on lots of dates and did tons of approaches while with her, and slept with 8 other women. I'm almost as certain as I can be that when I approached two girls of her same nationality (this is a foreign girl in America) that she knew about it either immediately or within a day (small group of this nationality in the city and from what she told me early on they seem to have something similar to what I read about once on the forum that Filipinas have in the Philippines where they post what foreign guys write to them on tinder or whatsapp or whatever to see how many girls he is talking with. She didn't describe it like that but because I had read that on the forum previously what she was saying added up to something in that realm at least in part). The reason I suspect she knew is because it was in her personality to be teasing in a slightly mean way at most for most of the relationship, but nothing too aggressive. Both times after those approaches, where I didn't think they were of her national group to begin with and was like oh fuck when I found out, she called me basically immediately after I texted the girls, who gave me their numbers and suddenly did the "I have a boyfriend" and radio silence thing, and she bitched me out pretty bad without stating a real reason. Like the second girl I got her number and was hesitant to even text, but I was like if she already knows then I'm already screwed so I might as well and deal with the situation if she gets in my face about it. So I texted the second girl like three days after the number, got the I have a boyfriend thing, and honestly I think it was about a minute later that my oneitis called me and bitched me out big time.

Also, I brought a bunch of girls, not of her national group or race, to a venue I used to hit a lot where a guy from her national group that apparently knew her worked. He was actually a total dick in a lot of ways himself. Like for instance he once saw me with a Latina there, because he basically waited on us (he had done the same with like 5 other girls I brought in that period) and he tried to pull the "why don't you bring that Mexican girl here Thursday for a double date thing." At the time I thought he was just trying to trick me into making moves on a girl I was obviously seeing, the Latina, because he was a snake and thought I was a retard. Based on what happened in the future at the end of the relationship, where everything went terrible, I get the feeling he was trying to set me up so the main girl would either be there or he'd record me or something (I know that sounds paranoid, but I have strong reasons to believe this shit). For instance after all this when I'd randomly bump into attractive girls of that nationality it was weird how they treated me, as if they knew about me or my reputation specifically with regards to how I acted and the things I would say to the girl I had been seeing. This is all taking place within a certain section of the same city by the way.


Yeah, I guess I was a retard and jerk or whatever anyone will call it. So on to the is she cheating type talk, that was background.


So this girl, as far as what she said and what I still believe, was a virgin. I have reasons to doubt this, but several months out from the situation I still have way more reason to believe she was actually a virgin than not. Also I should note I am not in any way the type of guy that is looking for a virgin wife or virgin girl, I was against getting with a virgin in theory and my experiences with them have added fuel to that idea. Not saying I want a slut, as I'd honestly rather have a wife that strips or whatever then a dumb girl that sleeps around for no reason, but I'd rather the chick I get with in an LTR have had her sexual experiences and decide "ok, he is what I want" then a virgin that still has stupid fantasies because she has only been with me and never acted on anything (I realize women change in relationships regardless of how they start and new fantasies can come up way later).


She did a lot of the classic things mentioned in this thread, like the whole not going out of her way to see me thing. I am trying to be unbiased here although it may not sound like it, but I can still explain away a bunch of that not being super available stuff. She is from a very conservative religious family, lived with an overbearing mom, brother, and sister, there is a strong racial conflict between or races/nationalities that would make the whole come over to my house thing hard with her family, and a bunch of other stuff. Despite that and her busy schedule (work/school full load which I can confirm wasn't a story because I went to both several times), we spent a good amount of time together and were texting or facetiming a lot and daily. She just never took the step of "forget my family I want you" like I'm more used to and even explicitly told her this is how a girl acts when she really wants a guy.


A girl I was seeing when I went to another city, who I had sex with and a day later spoke nonstop about the oneitis girl to and obviously pissed off even said, "I don't get why you are sprung on some dumb bitch in (so and so state) that is obviously fucking with other guys." Granted I realize that was partly anger on why I'm sitting there talking so much about another girl after sex for the first time.


So aside from all the other nonsense let me get to the point. About 3 times over 4 months with this girl, having gone out with her dozens of times, she looked with a strong gaze at a guy we were passing at a given place. Like it was so obvious I still don't know if she was doing it on purpose (which would make sense because of her most likely knowing I'm actively cheating or at least trying hard to cheat) or she was literally the dumbest girl on the planet or she just cared that little for me. I can't believe she was THAT dumb though if she did in fact have at least some feelings for me because in the most obvious instance, which I will briefly explain, she could easily have just gone back to that place like two minutes later because we were both leaving separate ways from there and done whatever with the guy (give her number or something, it wasn't a nightlife venue). Plus she wasn't a dumb girl by any means, pretty damn smart with the books and I'd probably believe she was a girl that was so crafty with her game (in a devious type way) that she could easily get guys to trick if she had in fact tried to do that with me. By trick I don't mean sell it, I mean get gifts or cash without even really giving anything sexual in return.

I actually spent less money on her through those five months than she did on me, and I know she was broke and she was under the impression that I was too (parents house, average to shitty car, not spending money on dates basically at all, cheap clothes). She even asked me if I was a drug dealer a couple of months into the relationship because I never seemed to work and although I didn't spend much I was never in need (not a drug dealer, day trader).


So basically the first guy she stared at was like 6'7'' (I'm 6'2''). Didn't like the shit, but it was a brief stare but obvious and we were walking next to each other. I was almost on go off on her and the guy mode but I was like let me be icy about this and see how it unfolds. Pretty sure she never saw the guy before or again unless being ultra paranoid and thinking he was a plant is reasonable. This was after the first girl of her nationality number that led to her randomly calling me and bitching me out.

The second guy was not even really attractive. He was a good amount shorter than me, working a shitty job, had a normal thin body (not super skinny but really not any muscle, just slim), and had an average face even if you like his look. This guy she stared at hard and obviously for like a minute directly in front of me to the point where he smiled back hard and without thinking I guess I gave off the you're about to get strangled vibe to him and he looked at me and walked off. Some other shit happened between that look and us leaving that was way too annoying and way too fishy, but I never saw her look directly at him after that initial look. I can't say that she didn't slip him her number while I was busy with something out of range and site, but I also can't put my finger on her actually doing something. The biggest caveat to this guy, it was days or at most a week after I called the second girl from her national group and she called me within a minute and bitched me out without mentioning the girl from her national group. Also, as I said, this guy was both physically speaking and in terms of work and basically everything way below the other two, and I can pretty much honestly say below me. What I mean is not that I'm better than the guy, but without giving exact numbers, if the first guy I mentioned was a 9, and let's say I'm a 7, this guy was probably objectively a 5 (not exact numbers, just speaking relatively). But she was the most blatant and obvious and continuous about this one.


The next guy was around my height and genuinely attractive, more so than either of the other guys and I'll probably/definitely say more so than me. She did a glance and such but kept it moving, although it was such that unless she was a retard she knew I saw and it seemed intentional (not the oh that's a hot guy look/look away or my equivalent oh that's a big booty I just stared for a second, sorry, type thing).


I know the shit is unacceptable, and I have no legit reason to believe she actually cheated and I'm relatively certain she is still a virgin even now.

I know I sound and acted like a total chump in many many ways. I did it despite knowing the whole time I was being a chump and that there were many better options out there than her. I decided at one point, I guess because of oneitis, forget all that I'm going to make it work with this chick. Not in the sense of oh she looked at other guys but I'll still make her love me, in the sense of forget this player stuff and I don't care about how she is behaving now, I'll settle down with her and try monogamy and a serious relationship for once both because I'm ready for it at this point and because I have strong feelings for her.

All that being said, again, I know I acted like a chump and I sound like a chump now. At this point I just want other opinions on the subject for future reference. Although I refuse to give in to the whole let your love flow shit anymore especially after this. I read Iceberg Slim because it was passed to me about a decade ago by a guy in a similar type lifestyle (as Slim not me) and although I never went fully into that mindset I was generally always informed by that type of outlook even from my family life as a young guy (dad was not a pimp or anything, just an abusive don't let the woman run the show and the woman fights back regardless type thing. Not beta or alpha either, more on the broken and dark side of things). Basically be icy at the core even when you are smiling and totally engaged.

Again, barely spent any money on her throughout the whole relationship, so I wasn't tricking either.


Ok, so was she:

1. Actually interested in the guys and probably at least chatting up lots of other guys if not that second guy. Maybe even taking it in the ass like I did semi successfully with her once or some oral type thing if not full on vaginal and the virginity was either a lie or given up.

2. Just trying to show me to my face that if I sneak around she will bluntly and openly do it in front of me (all three guys were after the first girl of her nationality whose number I got and she called and bitched me out and I'm sure the guy at the venue I attended was either telling her the whole time or eventually did near break up time). Is this the case whether this was to make me jealous, to make me stop, or just to be vindictive/vengeful.

3. Is she really just somewhat retarded in general or because of virginity or something? I ask this last one particularly because the look she gave reminded me of the same exact look I will never forget that my good friend's college ex gave me the first minute I met her when we were all 20. It wasn't exactly a come bang me look like I said earlier, that was a slight mis-characterization. When I met my friend's girl it was like a year after he took her virginity (he wasn't a virgin himself) after they had met in college. She really wasn't the slutty type and I'll stick to that to this day (although I haven't even seen her in a long time). When I first met her we shook hands after I hugged my friend (went to a totally different state than I did and we both left our home state), and I said to her, "oh so this is (girl's name), you're gorgeous." I wasn't hitting on her and my good friend was right there, I was just trying to say what's up but in a way that would more so compliment my friend's work in getting her than even her herself. Maybe I was wrong/stupid for saying that though and I haven't said that type of thing since to any girl I see with any guy, but I'm sure it was clear I wasn't trying to get with her. I was in great shape at the time and I think I'm pretty good looking though, if that's relevant. She gave me the same look for like 5 seconds that this oneitis girl gave the other guys and she did so right in front of her boyfriend, who all three of us knew was my very good friend. Nothing ever happened between us, even so much as a facebook add (facebook was actually a thing back then), other than random talk and maybe a little platonic joking between the three of us.

That night I stayed at my friend's place in a spare room while they were in his room together. Me and my friend were high, but she wasn't. I heard him yelling at her and she said some things back, but I couldn't make out the words. She came to my room and brought me an apple, put on Scarface for me, giggled without even saying much, and left. Literally nothing else even really happened. Months later my friend, not entirely speaking about me and his girl, said, "you've seen the way she looks at people (meaning me because I never saw her look at another guy). I can't stand that shit. I've told her to stop a bunch of times but she still does it. I'm with her all day (basically 24/7) and I know her too, so I know she isn't cheating. But that shit still drives me crazy, I'm going to have to drop her eventually."

I remember saying something like maybe that's just a part of her expressions/mannerisms, she obviously never did anything with me. He dropped her about a year after that and he never gave me a reason to believe she cheated.

Now about a decade later I see that same look on a virgin girl for the first time, but this time it is my own girl.


This is as close to being cucked as I've ever been and the only time I've substantially let my guard down with a chick. When I say cucked, again, I have no reason or evidence that she did in fact cheat in any way. I wouldn't be surprised if she was giving her number out occasionally when approached, but I also would be surprised if that was the case or at least a regular thing. Can't say either way, but now I've learned that even looking at another guy when with me will not be tolerated by me unless I truly do not care about the girl at all or the chick is about to apply to the strip club so I can retire, her choice.


Oh and last thing. After the first girl of her nationality and bitching out scenario she also mentioned a few times over the course of the months that so and so guy (no guys she regularly saw, just like customers at work and what not) would give her compliments and shit like that. Again, all I can guess is either she didn't care what I thought at all, was trying to purposely mess with my head, or was absolutely retarded.

Oh, and option four, a combination of those three.

Her looking at other guys in front of you is just her way of getting you back for the games you were playing with her. Letting her hear that you were sticking it on other girls fucked this up for you and you can't blame her. Pre-selection is good and dread game works, but it needs to be hinted at, that's what creates that anxiety in girls that makes them fixate on you and get attached to you. Her explicitly finding out that you were gaming other girls just ruins the whole thing for her and she's understandably going to feel that she needs to explore other options.
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RE: Is The Girl You're Seeing Sleeping With Other Guys? Quick Test
@Kieran

If I'm understanding you I agree totally. But one key distinction that maybe isn't clear is this, I was essentially "sneaking around". I realize a lot of this was weak game on my part and me being a chump for not moving on etc., but I never intended for her to know anything about any other girl. It wasn't even out of me fearing her or fearing losing her, I just didn't want to hurt her whether that makes sense in reality or not because I liked her (while still protecting myself as I'll explain).

Even when we went to a restaurant once after a good amount of time into the relationship a girl with a big round ass walked by. I'm very much an ass man and I like them big and round, so much so that it can drive me sort of horny/crazy at times just from seeing one. She saw the girl coming because she sat opposite me and as the girl passed I noticed in my peripheral vision that big booty was passing, but I basically locked my eyes to not even look at the least. Again, not fear, I just wanted to be like I'm not going to be hurtful towards you.


I had no idea she would ever find out about any girl and I don't have direct evidence that she ever did. I mean certain things are way being coincidence like her calling to bitch me out 45 seconds after I text the second girl I met from her national group. But honestly it wasn't me trying to get into pre selection or anything, I had no idea this second girl or the first one that were from my oneitis' national group were in fact from her nation. I actually had reason to believe otherwise and when they told me they were I said "oh shit" out loud involuntarily.

I have only seen her sister a few times on facetime and briefly in pictures. I'm pretty sure I saw her sister at another spot as well after the break up but can't be certain because I don't really know what she looks like to that extent. I kind of get the feeling that the first girl of her national group that I talked to and got a number from was actually her sister, but it was so early on that I didn't know and I haven't seen her well enough to be able to tell and can't remember the brief interaction with that girl before the number well enough.


So basically I was trying to keep my actions on the down low. The reason I was playing the field while still on oneitis with this chick was because I did generally want to get laid, but more theoretically at the time and still now I believe that until a chick proves herself she cannot be relied upon. This case was a perfect example, and not the potential cheating/looking at guys aspect. When I was fooling around, in terrible physical shape, barely spending any money on her, and all that she was with me. Cried heavily when she found out I was leaving the city, spent money she barely had and telling lies to her family to get me gifts for my birthday, lots of things. At the time I was loving and spending time talking with her a lot and all that.

When I got back I was in MUCH better shape, things were in many ways looking up, and I told her immediately basically forget everything else we are going to be together, only the two of us. I even handed her some cash just so she could have some pocket money, which I get was dumb, but my mentality was this is wifey anyway so let her go buy something for herself or give it to her broke mom, I don't care about not being a trick anymore. Within a couple of days she had blocked me on everything and I chased very hard and within a couple of weeks no matter what I'd do even standing in front of her in public she wouldn't even say a single word to me.


I get the whole girl psychology of asshole guys gets them wet and beta guy, no matter how great and no matter how much they say they want certain of those qualities, makes them want to move on.


But I never intended for her to see or hear about any other girl. The only direct, and that is a loose term, evidence I gave her that I was doing anything is when I'd facetime her on the way home from a wine bar or something where I was tipsy from drinking with another girl. Even then though it was always a I was with my friends sort of thing, whether or not she was scowling at me or giving me a suspicious look.



I'm not complaining, merely trying to fully understand, but what she was doing was extremely blatant. Again, not complaining, just cant be sure. It was so blatant and in front of me that even the most oblivious and/or socially retarded human being could tell. I just can't figure out whether it was purposely being done to piss me off or if she had just that little regard for me. I'm leaning toward it being on purpose though, because of everything I said.

The thing is I don't even think she ever cheated. Worst case scenario I think she talked to some guys by text and it fizzled out early, and even that I am not convinced happened.



Like to give an example I saw at another point with a different girl of a totally different racial group. I asked the girl for her number and she was standoffish at the gym, but still not openly shitty with her response. Just obviously in the "fuck off" mode. I guess everyone at that gym knew that I would try to get the number of some of the girls from time to time, but over time it added up. A while later when things were not going well, but I had not spoken to her and hit on her besides a single time where I said one of those "changed your mind yet" sort of things, she literally came to an entirely different floor from where she works out with a guy and stood within my eyesight about 15 feet away and gave her number to him. I really can't say that she cared enough about me to do this to piss me off, but if I could walk you through the logistics of the gym and what happened it was just like, uhhh, why give him your number right there of all places which is literally out of the way of pretty much everything you do. They basically came downstairs together, were obviously not talking much, and she took his phone and put the number in, made a weird face, and walked off. Right in my exact eyesight.


I'm not even trying to say this girl whose number I never even got compares to the oneitis situation, but some things can just be too coincidental.

I just can't be too certain whether the girls that do these sort of things, and I mean mainly the oneitis, are doing it out of genuine interest in another guy or if they are trying to knock me down off my high horse type shit.


I suspect it's a matter of me seeming (or possibly actually being despite what I personally believe) to be too far beyond arrogant so they want to socially slap me around. To this day going into the territory of gaming heavily or doing things like hitting on multiple women at a gym where there is a likelihood they at least exchange hellos is still breaking social conventions. Pretty much every guy walking wants to be swimming in poosy, but whether out of fear (approach anxiety) or not knowing what to do or thinking it socially prudent to play it cool there aren't too many guys doing that sort of thing.

I mean I'm an Iranian American guy and I've occasionally even gone to gas stations at peak times (5-6, after work) and stood there and talked to girls that looked good that were going in and out (one occasion I was at a busy and large station and just chilling, but three separate 9s, not with each other at all, happened to get gas and go into the store). This is atypical in general of guys of any race at least here, and the only other example I've seen is the random black guy "hanging out" for many hours occasionally talking to women. That guy, who is still rare overall, is also not there just to hang out and talk to women 100% of the time. Without references to selling something, those guys generally are the type to walk to that spot and hang out out of boredom or whatever it may be and they are generally talking to other guys from the neighborhood that are passing through the gas station in the course of the day. Even that sort of thing is rare.


So when I stand in front of a gas station for a few hours (mainly out of boredom myself) and happen to see good looking girls walk by and talk to them, sometimes it turns into "that's funny" in their minds giggle giggle.

When there are like 4 very attractive Latinas at a single gym that never work out together but kind of work out at the same times of day and they are always at those inner outer thigh machine sections and I talk to all of them and go super direct within the course of months, I can see why some of them would want to knock me down a peg if they did care to begin with. Women are people, and some people just like to be spiteful.


I'm not saying my game was good or that I made the right choices or wasn't an outright fool with terrible game in any or all of these situations, I'm just trying to get at whether, particularly in the case of the oneitis, she was being vindictive towards me or if it was more of a he's cheating/he's moving away/I don't like him that much type of rationale to where she'd look at or for a guy right in front of me so blatantly.

I just can't accept that if she wasn't just doing this on purpose or entirely didn't care about me to the point where I was literally a 0 in her mind that she wouldn't in the case of the second guy I mentioned above just wait until 2 minutes after we left in separate cars and in separate directions and just turn around and go back and give him her number or even blow him in the restroom if she was that damn turned on.


Why literally and obviously in front of me?

Can't understand it other then to:

hurt/punish me or show me she can do the same and more easily than I can

or

she just really couldn't care less that I was there, which her other actions didn't coincide with and would put her on borderline sociopath based on the rest of the relationship (and I can agree my actions at that time could be construed as sociopathic themselves and I still say that)

Focusing on some serious gaming and personal development for the next few months. Will be taking PMs though.
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(01-20-2018 10:13 AM)desert Wrote:  Hi Guys,

For those that care...

So lately I have been running this little experiment with any girl that I am seeing on a weekly basis. Any more than a weekly basis and this test will likely not prove too effective.

So what is it? Simple. Give them hickeys. Hickeys on their breasts and inner thighs will do the trick. Do it hard enough that it will take at least 3-7 days to fully heal. (most girls bruise much easier than men, obviously).

If they resist, chances are they have another person they are seeing. If they don't resist or claim to like it, then chances are they are not seeing anyone else. ( or at minimum you're their # 1 option)

I know of course this isn't a sure fire way, but it beats asking "are you sleeping around?"

What do you guys think? Is this dumb or do you actually think this is a decent way to get an educated guess on whether or not they are seeing other people?

I have been doing this to the girl I am planning on making my main girl in the near future just as part of my compliance tests and she claims that she likes when I leave my mark on her.

Thanks!

Flawed question and test, you can't be certain of what you can't be certain of.

(01-20-2018 11:00 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, I'll give a real answer to this...

- How receptive is she to your invites? "Babe, come over and lets order pizza." "Aww, I'd love to, but my dog blah blah blah". She's fucking someone else.
- "what are you up to? be fun to hang tonight" "Awww, I'd love to but [I'm at my sister's house / I'm with my mom / I'm saving cats / feeding the homeless]." She's fucking someone else. That text was probably written with a cock in her mouth.
- How much time do you spend with her? If it's a lot, she's probably not seeing anyone else. If it's once or twice a month, she's fucking other dudes. You're also fucking other chicks, so who cares?
- Do you keep a toothbrush at her place? Does she keep one at yours? Does she have multiple toothbrushes, or towels? If there are several toothbrushes and towels in her bathroom, she's fucking someone else. Towels and toothbrushes are good indicators.
- How sexual is she with you? "Baby, I don't know if I want you to come inside me tonight / in my mouth tonight..." She's fucking someone else. A girl who is not seeing anyone else will demand you cum inside her from every angle.

Look, it comes down to this. If you don't want a woman fucking other men, rock her world. Most men out there are total beta losers. It's not really hard to be the best thing she has going on.

However, if you're signaling that you are fucking other people, she is going to do the same. If you want a "committed" relationship, it takes two to tango.

If you want an exclusive relationship, take her on dates and hold her out as your +1.

A girl who wants to be exclusive with you will drop everything, at pretty much every moment, to spend time with you. She'll never deny you sex, either.

Flawed answer, we don't know what we don't know.

Trust your woman or don't, Hank's post is a great place to start guessing from, but that is in fact what you'd be doing, guessing.

If you're in doubt, think it over, personally I think you should trust your gut feeling, your feeling of instinct.

Is every girl who has fucked a lot of guys going to cheat on her boyfriend? Is every low notch count chick always going to be good while he's away? Of course not.

My point is this: Taking the red pill doesn't mean drinking the kool-aid that your girl is definitely fucking other people behind your back just because she's a woman and many women do, it just means she very well could be, but maybe she's not. Use your best judgement and don't become jaded, there are some girls who actually don't cheat.
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"The power of any relationship lies with who cares the least, and nothing makes you care less than banging other girls".

The less you care who she is fucking because you are fucking other girls, the more she wants to be faithful to only you.
It is literally that simple
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Alot of guys are what me and my close friends call "Tender Dick ". You claim you are a player and that you want to fuck alot of girls, but you get butthurt when you fall for a girl then realize she is a slut.

Now it's no problem to like a girl but don't hope or expect anything and you will be rewarded with loyalty from girls. [The less you care > >> The more she cares ]
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RE: Is The Girl You're Seeing Sleeping With Other Guys? Quick Test
(01-24-2018 08:50 AM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  Flawed answer, we don't know what we don't know.

Trust your woman or don't, Hank's post is a great place to start guessing from, but that is in fact what you'd be doing, guessing.

If you're in doubt, think it over, personally I think you should trust your gut feeling, your feeling of instinct.

Is every girl who has fucked a lot of guys going to cheat on her boyfriend? Is every low notch count chick always going to be good while he's away? Of course not.

My point is this: Taking the red pill doesn't mean drinking the kool-aid that your girl is definitely fucking other people behind your back just because she's a woman and many women do, it just means she very well could be, but maybe she's not. Use your best judgement and don't become jaded, there are some girls who actually don't cheat.

This deserves a rep. Not because it is some genius level talk, but because it is basic logic/common sense.

Everyone that knows anything about girls beyond simple basics knows some of the "good girl" type chicks are the biggest sluts, and at the same time some of the "good girl" type chicks are actually truly faithful and the epitome of loyalty (not out of lack of options only).

Same thing with "slutty" looking or behaving girls. They can remain slutty or they can totally change their ways. Anyone who knows the whole stripper boyfriend type dynamic knows that because they are oversexed and surrounded by men they are looking for that one guy that can both turn them on and hit them on a mental level. They get past the I want this and that and the other experience that a lot of the more conservative (relatively speaking) girls that only sleep with 5-15 guys in their entire lives types sometimes never do.


The whole you can't turn a hoe in to a housewife thing has at least some element of truth to it, and I'd venture to say a heavy element of truth (not talking about a hoe in the sense of an actual prostitute necessarily, as I think the saying as well). But there are many hoes, p4p or just slutty, that actually do get over it and settle down (although maybe a small percentage but still total numbers worldwide do add up).

A recent pope was at the least affiliated with the Nazis. He became pope and despite my not being a part of his religion and thinking he said some imprudent things I nonetheless believe that at the time he was pope he had definitely reformed and was truly a good hearted man despite my disagreement with some of his world view.

Most people don't change and become more entrenched in their world view and try to find examples and people in their lives that will justify their world view. Some people do legitimately change, whether for better or worse.

There are men and women walking around that change their lives entirely. Like Malcolm X who started as a broken home criminal type, who went into black activism and working for his people, and then transitioned into understanding the common nature of humanity as exemplified in his I prayed next to a blonde haired blue eyed Muslim on the Hajj experience. Those are three substantial, although somewhat related, changes in one person in a relatively short lifespan.

I'm not saying the men and women walking around that do substantially change themselves do so on a level of greatness like that guy, X, but there are tons of people that change themselves substantially, whether for for good or worse.

How many guys can you think of, even on this forum, that started out barely able to talk to or understand girls and years or maybe a decade later have women wrapped around their fingers? I'd venture to say that a substantial portion of red pill or pua internet forum guys, even those that achieve levels of game that if they weren't modest about it and said it openly, make naturals and Iceberg Slim types look weak (not necessarily talking about taking it into the illict activities realm). These sites are the realm of the guy that starts off slow or metaphorically hits puberty late and jumps up to beast mode afterwards (obviously not 100%, some or maybe many are naturals and what not that want to expand their game). Isn't that Roosh's story to an extent, the founder of the site? He's not the only one.

It is the same thing the quoted poster said, you can't say either way how a girl will be with regards to cheating (or really anything) down the line. This, beyond it's inherent logic, is the epitome of the whole modern marriages are shit thing even for many true players. Shit starts off one way, not necessarily even with cheating or what not, and then the girl and guy and the relationship also change and things fall apart.

All that being said, as I said before in this thread, I agree with the whole (to fumble the translation and over simplify it) get your game/lifestyle up, find other quality women, don't give a shit about any girl and she will like you more, these are the tell tale signs of cheating posts. Totally agree with all that, despite what my post, which was an anomaly in my history with women, may seem like. 100% agree with the logic of those posts and the reality of them as well, IMHO.

But based on my post I probably seem to be along the lines of the Kevin Heart joke where he says he has a Muslim friend that won't even eat Starburst because it contains minute pork amounts in it and when he starts drowning on a boating trip yells Lord Jesus save me (yes I know Muslims believe in Jesus too, and I also get the nature of the joke).


Just wanted to support what the above poster said with my own seemingly irrelevant abstractions.

Had the same type argument with a person in my personal life recently that has this same logic. I'm from a lower income family and I went to an Ivy League school for a short time. The other person was saying how Jared Kushner probably did terrible in school "because he's some rich kid" and his daddy got him in and they just passed him through. The rest of the argument was he doesn't deserve his current position and only got it because his dad was a billionaire and he happened to marry Trump's favorite daughter.

I'm not a Republican, don't care for any of the Trumps (other than I respect them for their accomplishments and that girl of his is fine), and it is in my interest personally to say yeah rich kids only get into those schools because of their wealth.

My response was you can't say either way whether he did good or not and why he got in. You might be able to say he lucked into his current position, but I doubt that as well because there could have been other people chosen. I added, from personal experience that hurts me in terms of my specific situation, that when I was actually at an Ivy League (the other arguer didn't even get an associates) that it was in fact the rich kids and not the obviously financial aid but did well in school types like me that did best, at least in the beginning. Not all of them, but they generally rocked it at least early on for whatever reason (I assume in part because they were exposed to ideas that lower income kids generally aren't as youths and the rich kids were also genuinely smart as well).

So the logic, we don't know how it'll turn out or what the reality is stands. Hanks post makes a lot of sense and I agree though (to a large extent although I think it is a bit exaggerated). Yeah, we can make an educated guess on who is cheating and who isn't and we might be right most of the time or all the time. But there are no rules to this. Steelex's post is a big part of reality too. If they are cheating and not entirely retarded they will become experts at covering it up if they aren't already. A lot of times the ones that are experts at covering it up are the ones that are physically around and attentive to the guy they are cheating on most. If they aren't living with a guy or seeing him much they may still cover it up, but they have less reason to make apps and what not or change contact names on their phones because there isn't as much of a possibility of leaving their phone around a guy's house that they don't even go to much.


(01-24-2018 10:27 AM)fitness2569 Wrote:  "The power of any relationship lies with who cares the least, and nothing makes you care less than banging other girls".

The less you care who she is fucking because you are fucking other girls, the more she wants to be faithful to only you.
It is literally that simple

Agreed 100% despite my Captain Save A Hoe post and example. Always agreed with that statement even when I had severe approach anxiety and couldn't talk to a random girl let alone now where things are, well, different. My experience also backs that statement up besides just my general belief.

Not saying your posts were directed at me or at the general thread though.

(01-24-2018 10:33 AM)fitness2569 Wrote:  Alot of guys are what me and my close friends call "Tender Dick ". You claim you are a player and that you want to fuck alot of girls, but you get butthurt when you fall for a girl then realize she is a slut.

Now it's no problem to like a girl but don't hope or expect anything and you will be rewarded with loyalty from girls. [The less you care > >> The more she cares ]


Again, not sure if this was directed at me or not, but I agree 100% again.

In my case, whether I'm trying to be Mr. Internet Super Player or not and convince everyone that I've met through the forum (no one) that I am, this was actually an anomaly. I've both in theory and in practice only ever had girls treat me very well, because by the time I get the number and make it past a date or two and sleep with them they generally are interested to say the least. Not saying no one ever cheated, although in almost every case I doubt it for specific reasons, but I didn't care either way.

This specific scenario was painful because I broke my rules, not just rules I told myself to have but what I actually felt and that mirrors what you said 100%, and not only did I know I was being stupid while I was doing it, but this was the only breakup in my entire life where things almost took a horrible turn (laws gone get you type stuff). I even told the chick about 3 times something to the extent of, I know you aren't fighting to have me because I'm treating you well (meaning like I'm beta in forum parlance) and if I treated you like I do other girls you'd be all over me. I told her almost exactly that if I treated you like that and you did in fact really care for me you'd go through anything to make me happy as I've seen so many times with other girls. At the end of it I told her she was a fuckgirl, not out of anger in all honesty, just fuckgirl meaning like a female player douche that strings along guys to get her Instagram followers up. I don't mean literally, I don't have an instagram and she isn't all about IG. She also did treat me well by some people's standards overall. On my birthday got into an argument with her mom who she lived with to sneak out and pick up a custom cake with my name written in her language on it and balloons and shit to give to me. That day I even asked her to do it the next day because I was going to get head and food from my first Ukrainian flag girl in her apartment as a happy birthday, but I showed up anyways while knowing I was being beta. The most expensive thing I got her in the first 3 months, which is when basically all the good things aside from the staring at guys happened, was a $15 dollar meal that she didn't even want to eat in front of me because she was being a girl and didn't want to eat while I wasn't going to (dieting). She probably spent a few dollars more on me than I did on her in those three months even though neither of us spent much and she was making near minimum wage.


Not saying you were talking about me specifically in your post, again, but I in this case am not butthurt about her cheating (I'm 90% sure she did not actually take dick in any hole and that is only 90% because I'm paranoid and keep convincing myself she did something). I may be a tender dick though, although I don't think so overall outside of this case.

I was just trying to get info and opinions about a case of potential female deviousness that I had never experienced before both for my knowledge and to think if it happens again how I'd deal with it (probably just drop the chick and walk a block over and get another number).


An exaggerated but I think relevant metaphor I can use for this situation is about giving money to a homeless man for the first time in your life. Let's say you have a rule never to give money to homeless people both as a general rule and because you actually believe they are lazy and they use it for drugs or whatever. One day, well into your life, you see a homeless dude and for some reason decide let me hand the guy some change (because of a religious vision, because you want karma to work for you, because you want to just do it once in your life, or whatever stupid reason). You go over to the homeless guy and kindly hand him 97 cents with no arrogance. Then he looks at you and screams at you that he only takes bills and throws his hot coffee in your face (this happened to a friend of mine in LA minus the coffee in the face). That'd be a pretty funny, or in my case, infuriating reaction to the whole scenario.

That, although not as extreme, is what this I did and how the girl treated me.


I was never that butthurt, although the first time I saw it I couldn't bring myself to jerk my dick off and ejaculate for a day or two. She never talked to that first guy and looked at him for no more than 5 seconds.

I was not butthurt, I was furious. Not because of her, more so because you're shitting on my individuality and name with your actions. Let's just say I even tried months later to walk a certain person in site of a working camera and slap the shit out of the person on tape so there would be no debate on who did it and what would happen.

That isn't merely butthurt, it is furious belongs in a cage behavior, and it was based on a girl looking at three different guys and no more.

I'v never even slightly been in a cuck type scenario, if you can call it that, and now I know how my personality reacts to it.


I just wanted to know in theory what others thought about what she did so I could learn from it even if it never occurs again with another girl.

I know full well I was the hypocrite of all people, and I'm aware how the story makes me look. I'm also aware I'm writing a series of long ass posts and claiming not to be butthurt. I'm also aware of the old term keyboard jockey and what that entails.

Just wanted to see what others thought. Don't even necessarily think you were calling me out and I'm not defending my posts. I'm just the type to talk, and apparently, type, a lot about every single thing I've ever experienced or even read in a book once.


Still do want to see what others think (doubt people are reading these long posts) just to see whether this was actual cheating type behavior (or leading in that direction) or whether it was an "I'll show him" type behavior or maybe both.

I'm flying to another continent in two weeks and I doubt I'll see the girl again. Slept with two different girls a little over a week ago, one of which I recorded with her obvious knowledge giving me a handjob on top of my track pants while she was on the phone with her coworker. Still have the video on my phone. Didn't take the video out of being kinky or to show anyone, just to have some evidence that was legally admissible to show that the later sex was mutual because I weighed 120 lbs more than her and am a foot taller and I'm just paranoid like that.

I haven't texted more than 10 girls in the destination I'm going on tinder (lots of matches) and I haven't approached a girl in the city I'm in or really gone out in about a week. Basically since that recording I mentioned. I like to cold approach in the day, it is one of my favorite hobbies aside from sex and working out. I could at least do that or text on tinder instead of trying to prove I'm a player online.

As the British would say, I just can't be arsed. Not in the mood. And butthurt girl ended over 2.5 months ago. Just was wondering in theory, but I should just make smaller posts that are more relevant to what is actually being said.

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Focusing on some serious gaming and personal development for the next few months. Will be taking PMs though.
01-24-2018 12:15 PM
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