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(03-02-2018 12:46 PM)Sam Malone Wrote:  I think The Emperor ran some psy-ops of his own..

I honestly have to wonder what kind of think tank worked on Trump’s campaign. Trump calculated every move he made. Not in a ‘he knew the outcome’ sense, but was (and is) sharp enough to hit the right spots with voters.

Just this video alone (from 2000) gives off a vibe of ‘familiarity’ or ‘comfort’ as far as Trump/POTUS.. making the idea of Trump as President not seem so far fetched as some would believe.

Ignore the shitty music:




Side note: It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that someone in the 2015 video was hired to drop that sign at that precise time.

Trump definitely wanted to be president for a long time; however, he needed to take into consideration X-Factors and confounding variables such as the current social and economic environment, relationships with other countries, the powers that be, etc. That is why I believe that there was alot of "behind-the-scenes" stuff going on to make sure he became president. Only an ignorant normie would think otherwise.

Btw, that episode is from 2015, not 2000. There was an episode in the Simpsons in the year 2000 that alluded to a President Trump (and tried to utilize predictive program to say that he would bankrupt the country). That time frame mentioning would start around :34.



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RE: Poll: Who really was responsible for Donald Trump's victory in 2016
Full scale Psyop. Yes, Regis, that's my final answer.

The public (both left/right) are waking up to the fact some great entity is pulling the strings this so expect things to get even stranger now.
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RE: Poll: Who really was responsible for Donald Trump's victory in 2016
(02-07-2018 09:54 PM)Maga Man Wrote:  Well, Trump got nearly 63 million votes in the 2016 Election.

Obama received 69,498,516 votes in 2008, and 65,915,795 in 2012.

So yeah, there was a noticeable drop off in enthusiasm (and votes) for "Hope and Change" by the time the 2012 election took place for the novelty of having a black president continue with a 2nd term.

By contrast, Clinton received 65,853,516 votes. Only a slight dip from Obama's own 2012 numbers for (on this particular occasion) the novelty of having the first female president.

Elections are usually won in the middle. Both sides will get votes from their base; at best, they can hope to improve the turnout of their base. Obama did that in 2008. Its difficult to make a case that the Alt-right did that here.

I think the middle of the country - people who don't consider themselves right or left - supported Trump due to the continual cultural war. Loss of jobs to immigrants, homosexuals and trans, politcal correctness, etc.

Also, Trump's popular vote margin was slim, but electoral votes was large. His strategists did a better job.
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Or maybe the social engineers were told to carryout a task.
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None. Poor poll selection.
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RE: Poll: Who really was responsible for Donald Trump's victory in 2016
The correct answer is that Donald Trump is responsible for Donald Trump's success.

He funded his own campaign, and he trusted his own instincts over professional advice. Every time Donald Trump followed advice and moderated himself, he got into trouble. Every time he was open, he gained supporters.

Enough can't be said about Hillary's decision to take a six week vacation in August and September right before the vacation (she was out of the public eye between the falling incident and the first debate), and deciding not to campaign in the Midwest.

But, I think Roosh and the other manosphere writers were hugely influential too. What Roosh and the others were able to do was to make voters understand sexual dynamics better.

Since Hillary was going to campaign against sexism and hit anybody with the charge, the manosphere writers were able to convince a large portion of the Republican electorate that only a Super-Alpha male could "beat" these charges. Trump didn't back down or apologize for calling Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig, and manosphere readers convinced people that this was not outrageous, but actually what was needed. What other candidate would interrupt feminist Champion Hillary Clinton to say she should be in jail?
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The dems mainly focused on hardcore blue states on the West Coast (CA, OR, WA, and HI) and in the Northeast/New England region. They ignored the rest of the country and called everyone else "deplorables". Now they still can't figure out why they lost while blaming it on Russia and no one believes them

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RE: Poll: Who really was responsible for Donald Trump's victory in 2016
What Trump did right.


1. He was unpolished (not a natural politician).

His unpolished, stream of consciousness talking, didn't sound fake to people. Its a new era in American politics. He ripped up the old rule book where a politician needs to be "polished", have "experience", doesn't point finger at the crowd (Obama fist) and talk fake (Marco Rubio). Those days are over, people are pissed off and want someone who is going to be real with them. Same reason why Bernie Sanders was so popular with the Liberal base. People want that realness and Trump had it.


2. He bucked the party line. He wasn't ultra-conservative like the rest of the Republican candidates.

Trump knew how to give red meat to his base (The wall, Muslim ban, 'Law and Order') while at the same time combine it with leftist/liberal policies. What has the average Republican politician in the past always said about the average Joe Republican? That they are for "free trade deals", real conservative values like "small government" and because of "small government" we need to cut social security and medicare. Well let me tell my fellow Republicans that the average joe Republican is not for those things, you think they are but they're really not. How do I know? Along comes a populist Republican (Donald Trump) and said things like"

-"I'm against TPP" (Liberal position)
-"NAFTA is a disaster" (Liberal position)
-"I won't cut your Social Security or Medicare" (Extremely Liberal position)
-"I want healthcare for everybody, I won't let anybody die (Liberal position)
-"I want to do infrastructure spending and build our infrastructure" (Liberal Position)
-"Iraq war was a mistake"- (Liberal position)
-"No more nation building"-(Liberal position)

All it took was one Republican to come along and say "You know what, its cool to be a Republican and to be in favor of social security, medicare and medicaid, be in favor of infrastructure spending, build this country back up and Make America Great Again. A conservative on social issues and a Liberal on economic issues. Once Trump said that the twin towers went down on Bush's watch and won that primary, I knew then and there that he was going to win.


3. He went on the offense always (Very rarely was he defensive)

You win by never playing defense and always going on the offense. He will always shift the conversation on his opponent.

"Me? How about when you ...xyz____! (fill in the blank)."


4. He was a master in marketing.

Whoever was seeing as a threat at the time he cleverly thought of something that stuck to beat his opponent.

-Low energy Jeb Bush
-Little Marco
-Lying Ted
-Fake News
-Crooked Hillary
-Lock her up




That's how we got President Trump.
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He broke the Blue Wall while the Alt-Right/Lite Distracted Hillary & Co.
As much as we might like to congratulate ourselves on putting Trump in the White House, ultimately Trump won because he broke the "Blue Wall" of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa with his message, proposed policies, and endless campaigning.

Every member of this forum needs to read this book to understand why.

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What the Alt-Right/Lite/Dissident Right/Manosphere/PUAs/The Chans/The_Donald etc... did was distract the Hillary Campaign, the DNC, Soros, Media Matters, et al. from what Trump was doing in the white suburbs, exurbs, and countryside of the inner rust belt and made them instead focus on green nazi cartoon frogs.





This was not insignificant at all. The head Democrats in Michigan were begging Hillary & Co. for support in the last month of the campaign and were met with deaf ears in no small part because of the online Deplorables taunting Hillary & Co. with Kek, Pepe, Harambe, and the application of weaponized autism to the Podesta Leak.

However, without the Blue Wall white working class it would not have mattered.

If we want to MAGA and save Western Civilization, we must remember that ultimately they call the shots, not us, no matter how one defines the Alt-Right, Alt-Lite, Dissident Right, and other Deplorables.
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RE: Poll: Who really was responsible for Donald Trump's victory in 2016
Let's not forget the real MVP of the Trump campaign...Hillary herself. Seriously, as smart and creative as he was, there were so many forces lined up against him, it took a truly horrible, unelectable candidate to give him the win. She had never won an elected office without the favorite being Arkan-cided (JFK juniors mysterious plane crash). The tactics she used against Bernie soured (and horrified) so many democratic voters. She inexplicably refused to campaign in many key battleground states, and just generally looked like a mess the whole time. Horrible scandals, FBI investigations, re-investigations etc.. They played the Russia card too early, so they had to use paper ballots that they couldn't hack when things started to get ugly.

This was a key point in history, maybe the last chance for democracy to take out the Swamp before they realized the power of the internet and gained total control over it. Future generations may owe a lot of thanks to Hillary Clinton.
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RE: Poll: Who really was responsible for Donald Trump's victory in 2016
What Hillary Clinton did wrong:

Pretty much everything.


1. Mostly focused on PC outrage

She literally put out the dumbest ads imaginable. Ads where Trump was using "bad words" and children looking sad because Trump is using bad words. Those type of ads do not appeal to the average American, but only to the cocktail circuit/elites in Washington who think that Trump doesn't have the "temperament" to lead the country. Regular people don't think like that because we're adults, Trump is an adult and he's running for an adult position, free fucking reign say whatever the fuck you want, BUT fight for me! That's what regular people want.

Her slogan was "I'M WITH HER" which is literally a whole theme of if you're not with me you're sexist. She pretty much opened the door for Trump to say "I'm with you! The American people". There are some things Hillary could have attacked Trump on for example going after the fact that Trump had his products made in China and Mexico and for saying things like "we need to take out their families", or when he got caught saying he grabbed women by the pussy. She never went after him for those things and let him get away with it. If she was smarter she could have used those things against him in campaign ads and make him look like a terrorist monster who wants to bomb civilians and likes grabbing women by the pussy. She went with him using bad words. Hillary Clinton's strategists are probably the worst strategists I have ever witnessed in politics. Her strategists sucked.

She started her campaign against Bernie Sanders calling Bernie supporters "Bernie Bros" you're a misogynist, etc...! She pissed off her own base which she needed desperately to win.



2. Selfish/cult of personality and narcissism.

It was all about her. "IM WITH HER", me, me, me. Look at me, first women president, glass ceiling, lets break down the barriers. etc... There was a sense of inevitability that was just douchey. When Tim Kaine is sending tweets, before the election results are in, a day before the election going "Now I get to look at my daughter in the eyes and say that a woman can be president of the U.S." The election didn't happen yet, why are you so sure you're going to win? These people were living in a bubble and underestimated Trump since day one.

"Yeah he's flirting with it, but he won't actually run for president"
-Oh shit he ran for president.

"Its cool because he won't actually be in the debate"
-Oh shit he's in the debate.

"Oh its cool, he won't actually win the debate"
-Oh shit he won the first debate.

"He'll never win the second one"
-Won the second one.

"He'll never win the third one"
-Won the third one.

"He'll never win a primary or a caucus"
-Oh shit he won one of those too.

"He'll never get the nomination"
-Oh my god he won the nomination.

"He'll never be President"



3. Based her slogans on vague platitudes and cliches.

"Stronger Together"

What the fuck does that mean? How does that connect with the average American that just lost their job?

"Break Down the Barriers"

No policy substance, nothing!





^^^^ This explains everything about the Hillary Campaign. I don't get what half of that means. No policy substance, no plans on what she was going to do for Americans, nothing.


4. She's massively corrupt

The American people look at her and see an ultimate, establishment, insider. The Clintons over the years have raised over 3 billion dollars in special interests. People smell it on you. They look at her and go "she's not looking out for me at all." She loses to the person who says he's an outsider in Donald Trump. Scandals galore/wiki-leaks, rigged primaries against Bernie Sanders.


5. She became the ultimate fake/scripted politician.

Scripted, reading off teleprompters, fake talking and using cliches and platitudes. This is the age of the internet son, you got to catch up! People are yearning for realness and authenticity. People look at that and say "this person is not going to fuck me, you know who is going to fuck me? The person that's all polished and fake (Bush, Rubio, Clinton, O'Maelly)
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RE: Poll: Who really was responsible for Donald Trump's victory in 2016
Well, I wrote more than a few checks and went to three different rallies, so I'm thinking.....it was me.

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(09-07-2018 11:28 PM)Parras Wrote:  Her slogan was "I'M WITH HER" which is literally a whole theme of if you're not with me you're sexist. She pretty much opened the door for Trump to say "I'm with you! The American people". There are some things Hillary could have attacked Trump on for example going after the fact that Trump had his products made in China and Mexico and for saying things like "we need to take out their families", or when he got caught saying he grabbed women by the pussy. She never went after him for those things and let him get away with it. If she was smarter she could have used those things against him in campaign ads and make him look like a terrorist monster who wants to bomb civilians and likes grabbing women by the pussy. She went with him using bad words. Hillary Clinton's strategists are probably the worst strategists I have ever witnessed in politics. Her strategists sucked.

She started her campaign against Bernie Sanders calling Bernie supporters "Bernie Bros" you're a misogynist, etc...! She pissed off her own base which she needed desperately to win.

This is the main reason why she didn't win and what turned a lot people against her. The fact that she could've been the first female president and the most qualified, yet she used this argument for her slogan is just crazy. I forget where I first heard them talk about it but the whole point was if they think just because she's a woman means she's gonna win is the whole reason she lost...

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RE: Poll: Who really was responsible for Donald Trump's victory in 2016
Trump won the nomination for being a maverick. He had name recognition but his views were anything but mainstream. Everybody he was against was very similar in platform just with varying degrees of weak optics.

Trump's victory (which shocked me for about 10 minutes until I realized that I myself said a long time ago "If we're voting a woman it will not be Clinton since she has way too much baggage.") had a lot to do with the following:

1. Clinton and her baggage/idiocy
2. Nonstop campaigning in the rust belt
3. Being a unorthodox, especially since Clinton was textbook career politician
4. A lot of butt hurt Bernie Bros sided with him out of spite (this is a small but relevant thing I keep hearing)
5. Not using identity politics. Leftists keep thinking republicans are this one big Christian organization and all right wing atheists vote libertarian that only vote for the most devout, the only thing Trump did was pick Pence as his running mate (which IMO was good since that signaled while he's no saint he at least has someone who can come off as a good Christian)
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(02-04-2018 03:52 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  None of the above. It was the average American working person, tired of political correctness and other bullshit that doesn't help their lives who voted for the God Emperor.

This is the simplest summation. Not perfect but pretty close. Basically, Trump is the result of:

1. Years of degradation of honesty in political discourse in media, with everything being filtered into sound-bites for television and sensationalizing PC journalists controlling the narrative. This established the ground rules that Rhetoric is Everything, Persuasion is Everything.

IOW if Fake News had not been Fake News for years, Trump's skills at punchy rhetoric and manipulating journalists would not have been needed or as effective. Although, in that case Trump might have been successful anyway but would not have triggered so many liberal meltdowns.

2. Bipartisan support for increased immigration (coded as "Immigration Reform"), against the wishes of the majority of the voting population. Trump was the first candidate to unambiguously take a stand for border control and the voters rewarded him for that. (And if Trump loses in 2020 it will probably be because his base wasn't satisfied with his performance on that issue).

3. The outsider status and perceived independence from big money. With immigration as the leading example of "deep state vs the US populace," voters did not trust party establishment.

4. Hillary is quite possibly the worst candidate I've ever seen run for President, her campaign was a Weekend and Bernie's clown show and only worked as well as it did due to insane shilling on her behalf from corporate media (and anyone else connected to The Clinton Machine)

5. Trump's high-energy campaigning especially in blue-collar democrat strongholds that they had been neglecting.
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(05-14-2019 08:51 AM)Blaster Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 03:52 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  None of the above. It was the average American working person, tired of political correctness and other bullshit that doesn't help their lives who voted for the God Emperor.

This is the simplest summation. Not perfect but pretty close. Basically, Trump is the result of:

1. Years of degradation of honesty in political discourse in media, with everything being filtered into sound-bites for television and sensationalizing PC journalists controlling the narrative. This established the ground rules that Rhetoric is Everything, Persuasion is Everything.

IOW if Fake News had not been Fake News for years, Trump's skills at punchy rhetoric and manipulating journalists would not have been needed or as effective. Although, in that case Trump might have been successful anyway but would not have triggered so many liberal meltdowns.

2. Bipartisan support for increased immigration (coded as "Immigration Reform"), against the wishes of the majority of the voting population. Trump was the first candidate to unambiguously take a stand for border control and the voters rewarded him for that. (And if Trump loses in 2020 it will probably be because his base wasn't satisfied with his performance on that issue).

3. The outsider status and perceived independence from big money. With immigration as the leading example of "deep state vs the US populace," voters did not trust party establishment.

4. Hillary is quite possibly the worst candidate I've ever seen run for President, her campaign was a Weekend and Bernie's clown show and only worked as well as it did due to insane shilling on her behalf from corporate media (and anyone else connected to The Clinton Machine)

5. Trump's high-energy campaigning especially in blue-collar democrat strongholds that they had been neglecting.

+1 It had nothing to do with Russians.

Quote:(And if Trump loses in 2020 it will probably be because his base wasn't satisfied with his performance on that issue).
Or if he dicks around in Iran. Barring that I'd vote for him again. I don't speak for the blue collar carpenter/plumber types but I work in a similar industry and a fair amount of them are pro-Trump.

(09-21-2018 09:31 AM)kosko Wrote:  For the folks who stay ignorant and hating and not improving their situation during these Trump years, it will be bleak and cold once the good times stop.
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