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RE: Performance Enhancing Drugs in Sports: Would you allow it?
I think the question of performance enhancing drugs in sports comes down to: what are you seeking to reward? Whether you then allow drugs in is then a consequence of how you answer that question.

My kneejerk belief is that victory, medals, acclaim in sports is primarily meant to be rewarding sustained effort and a competitor's discipline under pressure. This reward in theory at least cancels out natural talent, because the zero-sum nature of getting to the big leagues means that all the talented players will be competing together anyway: the guy who can crush the 100 metres out of his local high school is now competing with a bunch of other guys who crushed the 100 metres at their local high schools as well, so discipline in theory will out.

However, I think this heuristic starts to break down as you make the stakes of winning and losing higher. To wit, the "professional amateur" nature of sports where players are paid literally millions of dollars just for playing, where it becomes an entirely alternate path to some other vocation in the real world.

Above a certain level of pay, what we actually start rewarding in sports is the athlete specialising himself rather than sustained effort and discipline. This pattern follows all the way back to the ancient Greek Olympic games: competitors in those Olympics were well-compensated and even back then critics said that compensation was making young men focus on athletics and not on war or scholarly pursuits.

That is why it's now worth contemplating whether performance enhancing drugs should be allowed. If what you are rewarding is the athlete's specialisation, a drug that helps in that specialisation logically should be allowed as a way to boost his performance, further his specialisation. From the point of view of it being an "ethical" decision, you can certainly make the argument that it is, because the athlete has "skin in the game": they take the consequences of ingesting these drugs into their systems knowing that there are such risks. But as said, that only becomes ethical if you flat-out acknowledge that what is being rewarded is the athlete's specialisation of himself, not the individual's effort or commitment. Sadly, because sports, like most of the narcissistic West, is more interested in the perception of the sport than the reality, that open acknowledgment is highly unlikely.

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02-05-2018 09:32 PM
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RE: Performance Enhancing Drugs in Sports: Would you allow it?

When I originally posted, I was quoting sports talk radio from memory. But your "objection" made me Google "elective Tommy John surgery", and sure enough:

FoxNews article

FoxNews Wrote:Now, student athletes looking for a way to get an extra boost in their pitching arm have been putting their hopes in an elective surgery called ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) reconstruction – more famously known as Tommy John surgery.

However, according to one doctor, misconceptions surround Tommy John surgery, cautioning it isn’t necessarily the miraculous savior that student athletes think it is.

“They believe the surgery can allow you to throw more effectively,” Dr. Christopher Ahmad, an associate professor of orthopedic surgery at Columbia University and head team physician for the New York Yankees, told “It’s not much different than thinking performance enhancing drugs can make you throw harder.”
02-06-2018 08:40 AM
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RE: Performance Enhancing Drugs in Sports: Would you allow it?
Wikipedia also has some info:

Quote:Some baseball pitchers believe they can throw harder after ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction than they did beforehand. As a result, orthopedic surgeons have reported that parents of young pitchers have come to them and asked them to perform the procedure on their un-injured sons in the hope that this will increase their sons' performance. However, many people—including Dr. Frank Jobe—believe any post-surgical increases in performance are most likely due to the increased stability of the elbow joint and pitchers' increased attention to their fitness and conditioning. Jobe believed that, rather than allowing pitchers to gain speed, the surgery and rehab protocols merely allow pitchers to return to their pre-injury levels of performance.

Over the last two decades, the number of UCLR surgeries has increased 3–fold, an incidence expected to rise in upcoming years. A study of youths who underwent UCLR surgery showed that boys and girls aged 15 to 19 had more surgical procedures than any other age group, with the rate of surgeries performed on 15 to 19 year olds increasing by 9% per year.

Which brings me to OP's statement:

(02-05-2018 02:12 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Personally, I think performance enhancing drugs should be on the table for a consenting adult to partake in. The keyword here is "adult". People under the age of 18, probably up to 25 should not be permitted on the basis that one shouldn't mess with the endocrine system until the growth plates fuse. After that, by all means, though an endocrinologist should be the ultimate arbiter when this should be done.

Unfortunately this is exactly what would happen in this scenario.
Overeager parents don't give a fuck, the whole thing would become a competition of who can fuck up their kids with an experimental PED cocktail the fastest and at the earliest age possible for maximum results.
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02-06-2018 09:02 AM
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