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Quote:They were a nation uninterrupted. They got to go through their full evolution. Other countries on the continent were very interrupted and traumatized through colonization. Wakanda didn’t have that disruption. It was such an advanced nation, it actually allowed for evolution of gender roles. It recognized that you allow all your citizens to advance to their full potential.

What the fuck is she talking about? IN the year 1400 there were huge swaths of Africa that no white man sat foot on. And the main advanced empire Africa had was Abyssinia for a time who actually created multi-storied buildings, but it was a bit of an anomaly with a large Christian population.

Most of the "traumatizing colonialism" happened from 1850-1930s/50s. And it brought a massive technological and scientific advance. The slavery aspect was done mostly by black tribes capturing and selling other tribes either to the Muslims for 1400 years or to the Atlantic slave traders and pirates for 200 years.

Even before the "colonizers" came, then you had 1850 years since the birth of Jesus to build at least a Roman-level civilization.

Even in 1870 the colonizers controlled just 10% of the entire continent - almost all of it was dominated by Wakandan proud independent tribes:

[Image: Africa-before-the-colonial-partition-c-1870.jpg]

Yes - the West later controlled most of it except for Abyssinia/Ethopia only for 5 years, but that is no excuse to claim that Africa could not do jack shit for 1870 years.

I seriously doubt that colonization for 50-70 years that you could actually live through in one lifetime could have been that terribly traumatic especially since the civilization boom went from mud-huts to skyscrapers in in 2-3 generations.

Quote:It was such a breath of fresh air seeing men and women living in their power with out one dwarfing the other. To me it was reflective of the fact that sexism is learned. To see a society where that’s not the focal point, where gender is not the fabric with which society is built and the delineations of sex are not oppressive, that’s really cool. And it’s possible.

What the fuck is this idiot blabbering about? While it is true that there were some strange exceptions of warrior-guards to some king in the last 200 years, then most of African history was not marked by men and women fighting side by side. The Zulus were the most successful warrior tribe and they were highly patriarchal. And while it is true that in many tribes women do an astonishing part of the work aside from child-bearing - they literally build houses, till the fields, do the harvests, create clothing, bring the water - all while the men sit around. Then this is not a sign of any progress! If women are left doing that, then you are left with mud-huts for the next 50.000 years.

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And going back to the movie - I also think that it was done in the Wonder Woman way, where they entered the right amount of feminist and anti-Western, anti-White agenda, so that it would be "woke" enough for the cultural marxists while having most of the movie adhere to the old action movie formula.

If they overdo it, then they end up producing a Ghostbusters that is also unfunny as hell, if they put less propaganda in it, then they are left with a movie like Deadpool and that would not fly either if Disney has it's way.
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(02-24-2018 11:05 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 08:51 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  America inherited its world superpower status after world war 2 destroyed the competition and has been steadily slipping into totalitarianism ever since. If it owed its success to some kind of special mix of median IQs and its mythical go-getter spirit then it would still be surging ahead rather than slipping into second place in many fields behind another median IQ totalitarian state (China) while gutting its middle class and putting out a third mortgage on the farm to fund the boomer's retirement.

American greatness comes from our drive to ruthlessly compete in international trade. Before Europe became devastated by WW1, the US was the strongest nation in the world... and that was all due to our industry. The difference between WW1 and WW2 is that we bombed factories in WW2... we destroyed Europes industrial capacity so hard that in 1950 the USA was 50% of the entire worlds GDP... and of course it has been downhill from there. Each successive generation lives like spoiled trust fund brats.

(02-23-2018 09:18 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  You would also know that the only reason Wakanda isn't real is because of colonialism....white people being evil are literally the only reason that every third world "shithole" isn't a highly advanced Utopia.

I know you are being sarcastic, but I've heard liberals say this shit so much lately that even hearing it in parody gives me a headache.

Ethiopia was never colonized. They are not an advanced super nation or even 1st world yet.

Politics has kept Ethiopia in the dark. Let us not forget it had a civil war that lasted 20 years, and a regional war with Eretria that last 40 god damn years. All together with war deaths and famine resulted in 3-4 million+ dead. Try to wrap your head around that for a second, it is completely fucked up and with our precesedent. The result of this conflicts as that the both countries lost ONE THIRD of its people to out-migration as many had to flee the chaos, any Ethiopian or Erertian you meet in the West today is here because of this conflict.

If you look today, Ethiopia has had one of the more stable governments in Africa for a long time and thier economy performs well. Ethiopia has its hands tied because it is a landlocked country due to political games which severely restricts it's ability to grow it's economy. If Ethiopia had access to its own ports and oceans it would be an African power and IMO likely on the same level as Brazil with development as the nation's mirror each other in how they are oriented with population and where it sits within its geography; a high peak would be it would be similar to Iran but that is far too optimistic.

Ethiopia woud trump Nigeria as Africa's largest economy as Ethiopia has had a better handle with corruption with strongman leadership. Strong Christian values as well. The country was poised to take a great leap. Until Ethiopia can conqour Dijibouti which exists purely to clean out the nation's wallet it won't take that next step. The country needs Martine access as no power exists if has no access to waters. Give it time. To be non politically correct, if this was old times, Ethiopia would of routed the costal Dijibouti Muslims to regain access to the waters.

It is lazy to just dismiss the real blockades that have hampered a nation such as Ethiopia towards development, in my view it's biggest issue in modern history should have just been the famine crisis but the war and other wranglings compounded it's problems.

Italy had its hands in the economy from the start of the African rush. They were never ever to take full control but it had levers on the economy orienting it to benefit Italy tremendously.

To contrast, places like SE Asian benefited from trillions in western investment to prop it up and yet places like the Philippines still modestly better than the better parts of Africa. From the hole Africa has had to climb out of (yes, much self inflected of course) it is a miracle many places still progress forward after literally dancing with the devil in hell for decades. Post-colonial Africa was hell on earth.

Anyhow, I encourage people to read up on Ethiopian history as it is very complex and interesting.
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< Abyssinia had the highest African civilization with buildings like that being built 1000 years ago:

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They had even a rich culture there, but it's difficult to see whether they could have manifested something more than a high medieval one, but it's certainly a place that was apart from the rest - currently not so much, the old culture floundered long before any colonialists entered.

Also the proximity to the then highly powerful Muslim countries was not a big plus but rather huge impediment.
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(02-25-2018 12:40 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  
Quote:It was such a breath of fresh air seeing men and women living in their power with out one dwarfing the other. To me it was reflective of the fact that sexism is learned. To see a society where that’s not the focal point, where gender is not the fabric with which society is built and the delineations of sex are not oppressive, that’s really cool. And it’s possible.

What the fuck is this idiot blabbering about?

These morons are assimilating their world view from shitty fictional sources. I remember I once had some leftist idiot try and lecture me about how the Amazons (equally fictional) proved that women warriors existed throughout history.

Eliezer Yudkowsky wrote about this, "The Logical Fallacy of Generalization from Fictional Evidence". His point was that science fiction, particularly AI science fiction, created implausible views - but this contemporary fiction is even worse.

It's like the idiots who moralize from Harry Potter - a book series written by a Single Mom about how special her little bastard is, that has no internal consistency or self-awareness. They take the most unrealistic and poorly thought-out fiction in existence, and use that to create a justification for impossible policies.

The people are worse than retards. They're clueless.

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I did notice that a lot of people do seem to confuse fiction with history, this goes beyond the stereotypes (americans are cowboys, Germany is cold,in russia X x's you,french glamour.etc) straight into mythological levels.
Funny that so many of these people think their forebearers were silly superstitious cavemen who were afraid of thunder!

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(02-25-2018 09:37 AM)questor70 Wrote:  You also have the trappings of a patriarchal monarchy and yet it's surrounded by the equivalent of the female knights of the round table.

In the comics, the reason his personal guard are all female is that they serve as his personal harem and wives-in-training. Several of them are lesbians until the king as "need" of them.

I don't see that version playing well to modern women.
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(02-25-2018 09:52 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:37 AM)questor70 Wrote:  You also have the trappings of a patriarchal monarchy and yet it's surrounded by the equivalent of the female knights of the round table.

In the comics, the reason his personal guard are all female is that they serve as his personal harem and wives-in-training. Several of them are lesbians until the king as "need" of them.

I don't see that version playing well to modern women.

That would have been so much better - also the fact that a guy like the Black Panther not really needing a personal guard, but he certainly needs a personal harem.

This is Gaddafi all over. But that would be too much shitlord.
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Worldwide cinematic gross in 10 days: $704,000,422 (U.S - $400,000,422)

Geebuz...!
Damn; kind of wish I had made an "afrofuturism" film in the recent past if it's a virtual license to print money...

700mil could have fed a hell of a lot of African kids though. Rolleyes

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Not surprised at the earnings when even the esteemed members of this board can't stay away from the Hollywood crackpipe Big Grin
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(02-26-2018 08:09 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Not surprised at the earnings when even the esteemed members of this board can't stay away from the Hollywood crackpipe Big Grin

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(02-26-2018 08:56 AM)zigZag Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:09 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Not surprised at the earnings when even the esteemed members of this board can't stay away from the Hollywood crackpipe Big Grin

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Hey if it works for you, go ahead.

I think Hollywood is trash, seriously trash, right down to their extremely predictable orange/blue movie posters which are increasingly boring and unoriginal.

I really think Hollywood has a shit tier product.

It's been about series for the last 10 years and they usually ruin a good series with their SJW themes in season 2 at least in season 3.

So you just watch Rome season 1 and House of Cards season 1 and forego Sopranos season 6 and so on.

Then again, you could begin reading instead, which I have done. Not gonna lie and say I read all the classics, but there's a lot more non-sjw literary fiction than there is non-sjw in movies.
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Because Africa is a single country where everyone lives in a hut, right?
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Yes.
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Not sure if serious.
You remind me of the "what do we get out of Africa"thread. Assuming the continent is just a shithole while conveniently using resources like the fish for your daily dose of protein workout and its minerals for your iPhones.

Africa is very différent from Senegal to Togo, from Rwanda to Tunisia, from Cameroon To Egypt. We have upgraded from caves, you know. We are not Wakanda level but modernity is still here. Best exemples are probably Rwanda and Nigeria.
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(02-26-2018 06:34 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:56 AM)zigZag Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:09 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Not surprised at the earnings when even the esteemed members of this board can't stay away from the Hollywood crackpipe Big Grin

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Hey if it works for you, go ahead.

I think Hollywood is trash, seriously trash, right down to their extremely predictable orange/blue movie posters which are increasingly boring and unoriginal.

I really think Hollywood has a shit tier product.

It's been about series for the last 10 years and they usually ruin a good series with their SJW themes in season 2 at least in season 3.

So you just watch Rome season 1 and House of Cards season 1 and forego Sopranos season 6 and so on.

Then again, you could begin reading instead, which I have done. Not gonna lie and say I read all the classics, but there's a lot more non-sjw literary fiction than there is non-sjw in movies.

Personally, i don't watch movies. i have not seen this movie and I haven't been to a movie theater in 11 years. Nor do i have netflix or other streaming services. Entertainment through movies is generally a waste of time.

However the fact is that there is an 8 page thread on this forum about this movie and it's probably gonna gross over $1 billion.

Verdit: Marketing geniuses who have manipulated everyone to the generate free advertising and make $700 million so far?? I think it will crack a billion though.
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(02-27-2018 09:31 AM)mikado Wrote:  Not sure if serious.
You remind me of the "what do we get out of Africa"thread. Assuming the continent is just a shithole while conveniently using resources like the fish for your daily dose of protein workout and its minerals for your iPhones.

Africa is very différent from Senegal to Togo, from Rwanda to Tunisia, from Cameroon To Egypt. We have upgraded from caves, you know. We are not Wakanda level but modernity is still here. Best exemples are probably Rwanda and Nigeria.

Different more concrete question.

How are actual Africans views of the Black Panther movie? It is a rather US- and SJW-centric flic, so Africans may perceive it differently.

The boxoffice numbers currently don't back it up neither for European blacks nor Africans going to the movie 3-4 times like in the US.
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(02-27-2018 09:31 AM)mikado Wrote:  Best exemples are probably Rwanda and Nigeria.

This is what Americans think of when they hear the words "Rwanda" and "Nigeria".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sh...an_pirates

The biggest contributions to world culture out of Africa I know of are JRR Tolkien, Elon Musk, and Charlize Theron, all whites (aka descendants of dirty colonizers) from South Africa.

https://www.sapeople.com/2015/09/23/elon...a-violent/

Now Cape Town is about to run out of water.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cape-town...ero-2018-2

A film like Black Panther sells because it offers a fantasy. Bulding a real utopia takes a hell of a lot more work. Even Black Panther wrestled with tribal conflict. Tribalism is not some sort of SJW diversity to celebrate. It's the reason why nothing ever gets done collectively.
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(02-27-2018 09:51 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Different more concrete question.

How are actual Africans views of the Black Panther movie? It is a rather US- and SJW-centric flic, so Africans may perceive it differently.

The boxoffice numbers currently don't back it up neither for European blacks nor Africans going to the movie 3-4 times like in the US.


African here.

Firstly, I don't appreciate your black people have low IQ Tourette's. You need medical attention. Do you even post about anything else? Every post you make is insulting to every black person reading this message board.

The movie was good. Not as bad as some in this thread might have you believe. But the reception within the African American Community simply confirmed to me what I always suspected.

That collectively, Black Americans are

a. still slaves touting their freedom under a different master.

b. Highly racist. Only reason you don't see it is because it's a passive aggressive racism which expects others to do the dirty work for them. They whine instead of fight.

Malcom X is rolling in his grave. And yes I support Malcolm X and his advocation for violence. There was a certain integrity, honesty and honor in that as opposed to the current state of pussified racism hiding under equality.

The fact that educated, seemingly intelligent black folk eat this manure up confirms to me that they have no grasp of reality. 2 months of living in Africa like an African would have them hang their heads in shame at themselves.

And to anyone saying how parts of Africa are booming and that things are getting better based on articles skimmed through from your comfy western aparyment. Please stop.
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< I am not interested in racial pride whatsoever - just in truth and reasonable explanations. What you consider Tourette is simple desire for reasonable truth and there are plenty of studies backing it all.

But what I am seeing from your post is that you advocate a race war where blacks do a Haiti and kill all Whites and then everything will be wonderful because the only reason why African countries are underdeveloped is because of White oppression?
Because you are also saying that Africa is not improving. (I agree with that because I have been told the same by my African friends.)

Ah well.... thanks for your response - and don't take my comments personally - I will instantly recognize an African saint or African intellectual superior if I see one, but I am simply stating facts how I see it and the reasons for it. Also it is sad if you think that the best way out is to do a Haiti and behead everyone.
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(02-27-2018 11:42 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < I am not interested in racial pride whatsoever - just in truth and reasonable explanations. What you consider Tourette is simple desire for reasonable truth and there are plenty of studies backing it all.

But what I am seeing from your post is that you advocate a race war where blacks do a Haiti and kill all Whites and then everything will be wonderful because the only reason why African countries are underdeveloped is because of White oppression?
Because you are also saying that Africa is not improving. (I agree with that because I have been told the same by my African friends.)

Ah well.... thanks for your response - and don't take my comments personally - I will instantly recognize an African saint or African intellectual superior if I see one, but I am simply stating facts how I see it and the reasons for it.

I EXPLAINED myself quite poorly.

I meant to say that a Malcolm X like approach has more integrity and is preferable to the modern sort of racism featured among a significant majority of African Americans. And Malcolm X was a fascinating character unlike the serpent Nelson Mandela. Read up on him.

Forget the studies. You mean the same western government funded studies normalising homosexuality? Based on your posts you seen reasonably well travelled. Are you telling me your average African you've met strikes you as dumber as opposed to your average person of another race? Be honest with yourself.

I live in China. I'll tell you that the Asians here u seem to verbally fellate as superbrains re probably the dumbest people on average I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with. Many expats here in Asia feel the same.

I trust real life experience over any kind of study.
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^^If Africa is so awesome and the people intellectual black titans why aren't you there contributing to the great legacy of the people of Africa in order to lift them out of poverty instead of toiling away in China amongst the insufferable yellow man? Lol. Nigga please.
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(02-26-2018 08:09 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Not surprised at the earnings when even the esteemed members of this board can't stay away from the Hollywood crackpipe Big Grin

I believe non engagement is a mistake. Simply tuning out of pop culture completely and not actually maintaining a personal or social commentary on it is a mistake. The garbage we see now has become the dominant culture whether we like it or not and not providing a sensible critique to that is a fatal mistake in the long run.

It's possible to do all this and also maintain a personal policy where you won't pay anything to watch stuff created by Hollywood. I happen to get tickets for free from a friend of mine with connections to a movie theater chain here in SEA. It's the only reason I watch it in the theater otherwise i'd just wait until it hits torrent or whatever.
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(02-27-2018 11:27 AM)Not a Second Hander Wrote:  And yes I support Malcolm X and his advocation for violence.

As you know the violence against whitey has played out in Rhodesia and South Africa and as far as I can tell it hasn't turned out very well.
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RE: Black Panther: The Alt Right Comic Book Hero?
(02-26-2018 06:34 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  So you just watch Rome season 1 and House of Cards season 1 and forego Sopranos season 6 and so on.

What's wrong with season 6? I thought it was great, although maybe not as good as 2 (Sopranos heaven). Plus it featured Phil "I did twenny fuckin' yeeaz" Leotardo Laugh
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