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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
(03-04-2018 04:49 PM)iop890 Wrote:  If only CNN, MSNBC, or FOX had correspondents in South Africa to get the word out about these brutal daily farm murders. tard

After extensive google research, it's come to my attention that these outlets do in fact have correspondents in South Africa, but they have their hands full with more important stories, like this:

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Quote:The central character of this series is "Miss Azania." She is a representation of nationalism, Ruga said, demonstrating "the hyper-masculine way in which women's bodies are used as tools of nationalism, especially within beauty contests."
His use of drag is designed to enhance his message. "It's a parody, or a F--- you, to all these things that men created," he told CNN.

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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
(03-04-2018 03:30 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 11:10 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  ^ The usual suspects were behind the end of apartheid too.


Yes.

Simple but poignant example:
The 1989 film "Lethal Weapon 2" with Mel Gibson was one big propaganda hit piece against the last days of aparteid era south africa. The whole movie's plot revolves around the political situation in south africa at the time.
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Considering Mel Gibson's later radical change of view against (((them))) I wonder what he thinks of that film's plot now.

Old movies like this are a rich and largely untapped resource for meme harvesting.

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"...But you're blick."

Classic. I watch a lot of these old movies and really find myself empathising with the villains more and more. In this case we have statist American cops trying to crack down on trade in precious metals to protect the fiat currency of their zionist overlords who use trade embargoes to undermine foreign sovereign nations.

It's just a shame that the bad guys win in the end. Laugh
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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
(03-04-2018 04:48 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  ^
Germanic Nordic children be like

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German Nordics are obviously counting on some truly delicious long-term enrichment coming their way:

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Good things come to those who wait.

But seriously - it's a mix of multiple factors like IQs, cultural work habits, work discipline etc. German Swiss are more productive than their French Swiss counterparts, but the gap is nowhere near as big as with South Africans.

Interesting smart decision of enforcing an 8% white quota at essential industries like water utilities. That would be about as smart as insisting on a 15% black NBA players quota including all other races to represent everyone equally - at least there would be some Mexicans, Indians, Arabs and Polynesians to make it all diverse. In effect it is even more stupid than that - you would have to also order half of the team to consist of women and those that represent equally the age pyramid, so have to take some 50-80 year olds too and stand against ageism. And if they start fighting against ableism, then down Syndrome players and autistic ones might join as well.

It's all going to shit anyway. No way stand on the side of Whites, since no one is going to support those poor fucks. Even an improbable armed unified rebellion where Whites try to carve out a part of South Africa for their own leaving the black South Africa alone in peace would not work. And they would be blamed if South Africa then collapses completely.

Any armed conflict would probably get bombs of support by the US raining down on those "racist Whites".

So no - there is no future for them there. Those European NGOs could send their immigration ships to the South African coast instead of Libya - at least those buggers won't create no-go-zones and mass rape gangs.
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I'd say it is mostly those who ate too many marshmallows who cheer for enrichment.
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(03-04-2018 06:19 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'd say it is mostly those who ate too many marshmallows who cheer for enrichment.

In my experience the most radical cheerleaders do not even eat marshmallows due to their vegan lifestyle. You are literally Hitler for eating all that animal product.
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(03-04-2018 06:26 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  In my experience the most radical cheerleaders do not even eat marshmallows due to their vegan lifestyle. You are literally Hitler for eating all that animal product.

Hitler himself was a vegetarian.

Which suddenly makes a lot of sense...

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As a Portuguese I second this motion. Know a few people in party youths and will do my best to get them to pine for this issue. We are not rich and certainly life is no luxury here but it's very safe and welcoming.

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I think the white farmers should burn their farms down before leaving. Fuck these communists.
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(03-04-2018 09:37 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  I think the white farmers should burn their farms down before leaving. Fuck these communists.

And be blamed for the starvation that will follow?

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It would be an irrelevance.

By most accounts it wont matter whether they inherit burnt farms or farms still intact. Whatever machinery is left will be destroyed through misuse or theft, or go idle for want of fuel. Whatever seed stock is left will be sold or eaten. They will get half a harvest in the first year at best and whatever they can sow and grow by hand thereafter.

Meanwhile I'll be doing what I reasonably can to minimise Australian interference during the necessary and appropriate die-off to return the local populations to subsistence farming levels.
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(03-04-2018 10:00 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  By most accounts it wont matter whether they inherit burnt farms or farms still intact. Whatever machinery is left will be destroyed through misuse or theft, or go idle for want of fuel. Whatever seed stock is left will be sold or eaten. They will get half a harvest in the first year at best and whatever they can sow and grow by hand thereafter.

You're always so optimistic, Leonard.

More likely they'll over farm the land until it becomes barren and un-farmable for generations thereafter. That's what they do on their black-only land, I don't see why they'd be any more responsible with land they stole.

Best case scenario is that after they steal the land they get into so many inter-tribal squabbles regarding who has the rights to it(THE OOGABOOGA FAMILY WERE LATECOMERS THEY HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR ONE GENERATION THEY SHOULD NOT GET A SHARE!) that they won't have time to turn it into a desolate wasteland before they inevitably starve to death or move to Europe to rape German girls.
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(03-04-2018 10:00 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It would be an irrelevance.

By most accounts it wont matter whether they inherit burnt farms or farms still intact. Whatever machinery is left will be destroyed through misuse or theft, or go idle for want of fuel. Whatever seed stock is left will be sold or eaten. They will get half a harvest in the first year at best and whatever they can sow and grow by hand thereafter.

Meanwhile I'll be doing what I reasonably can to minimise Australian interference during the necessary and appropriate die-off to return the local populations to subsistence farming levels.

I will be relevant, because the result will be exactly the same, but in one case, the evil white farmers will be very easy to blame and in another case, they will be very difficult to blame.

If they are easy to blame, the propaganda required to repeat the practice elsewhere will practically write itself.

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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
Oh, yeah. I get that part.

I'm just talking infrastructure and production.
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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
The result would be the same. Absolutely.

Personally, I try to absorb information from as many sources as possible to avoid ending up in a personal echo chamber. My Youtube feed is probably a bit of an unusual combination of both rightwing and leftwing sources. It's safe to say that I think as critically as possible about the various issues in the world and am not easily swayed into a particular line of thinking.

Two of the key influences on my view of race relations and politics are Malaysia, Zimbabwe and South Africa. When I see the political situation in Malaysia, it's as clear as day that people WILL democratically vote in line with their race (in most cases) and that the only thing that gives the Chinese a spot on the playing field is all their money. The Indo-Malaysians, on the other hand have been fucked really hard.

Similarly, Zimbabwe is a perfect example of how forced wealth redistribution would probably never work well in any scenario.

I think a lot of moderate thinking young men (younger than myself, perhaps teenagers still forming views on the world) will be positively influenced by examples like that. However, if all the white farmers in South Africa decided to adopt a scorched earth approach to their land, the resulting propaganda will be very likely to lead young men 5 years to a decade from now to strongly consider the view that the evil white farmers had it coming.

On the other hand, a peaceful handover resulting in food-shortages and an even more stagnant economic result in South Africa will make it really obvious that the world is better off with some successful white landowners.

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Definitely, revenge for its own sake is not a good idea. It's hard to know what the future will bring. The same whites forced to flee might be back again in 20 years if a serious world war starts and the African population collapses for want of foreign investment and aid.

By then Africa might be back to serving as a battleground for warring Empires with the natives more or less watching from the sidelines. Who knows.
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I see that several posters before me have mentioned fleeing South Africa and starting anew in whiter countries.

But this is EXACTLY what the globalists want if they can't simply exterminate whites. The moment I see a systematic retreat of white South Africans from the land that they have tamed and settled for over 4 centuries is the moment I know that the globalists have won a critical battle and perhaps on the brink of winner the entire war itself. After all, I think the (((globalists))) understand that they won't be able to just finish off the white race so their plan is to have them live how (((they))) have lived before the World Wars. I'm sure that when (((they))) dismantled Apartheid, the end game was for the whites to flee to other Western countries. Having them slaughtered would actually go be counterproductive to them. Then they can use their nonwhite shock troops to rinse and repeat the situation on the rest of the white world, with I guess their endgame being a 200-500 million culturally monolithic rootless white population turning to hipster culture if middle class and white trash chav/gopnik culture if working class and scattered in enclaves at the mercy of hostile unproductive majorities worldwide, all of whom constantly living in fear of discrimination and lethal violence without a proper homeland they can flee to. Essentially (((they))) want to make whites the new 19th century commoner Jews.

While I previously said that the future of whites on the southern tip of Africa is a toss up, there is only ONE situation where the world will remember them as a powerful lesson should they not survive down there. And it is not fleeing. It is fighting to the bitter end, no matter how outnumbered, outmaneuvered, and outgunned they might be, no matter what vitriolic abuse their natural allies in the (((West))) and their baizuo minions might hurl against them, no matter if they might end up fighting multiple superpowers at the same time as 4.5 million people, no matter if they end up in this fight without proper allies on their side. If they can't make it, don't surrender and make the black ANC-EFF Wakanda coalition exterminate or forcibly deport them. Should this happen, having the world see this type of resistance spirit a Western population group is putting forward in an economically relevant globally connected nation will not only wake up the slumbering decadent Western Civilization, but the entire globalist narrative worldwide for all races would fall apart.

This is not the first time they faced such struggles. They went all in fighting the British Empire at its peak during the Second Boer War, which in 1899 was no weaker than the US in 2018 in terms of its standing in the world, as barefoot bearded farmers ragtag guerrilla farmers with their only allies being volunteer sympathizers drawn a couple thousand here and there from various countries. They had to see 1/6 of their women and children starved to death and slaughtered in concentration camps, eventually losing the war being unable to beat the reigning superpower of the time.

But it was this martyrdom that they won the hearts and minds of the world. It was through this devastating war that they got outgunned, outmaneuvered, and genocided that this group of poor Calvinist barefoot farmers, still called the Boers, united to become a truly distinct people and became the Afrikaners. It was this time period that Dutch turned into Afrikaans as the official language. And when they lost, they might have surrendered the battle and their sovereignty to the Brits, but they never surrendered themselves by continuously strategizing in the background for years and decades. By 1910, the Brits had to install a former Boer general as Prime Minister of South Africa, and by 1948, an outright Afrikaner nationalist party was ruling SA, controlling all spheres of life, giving Afrikaners unprecedented power, wealth, and prosperity that they could only dream of 50 years prior for 46 years. Of course, their lack of preparedness to enjoy this amount of power and prosperity due to their history of hardship living on the frontiers and suffering such a devastating war meant that they buckled under some international sanctions which were more or less at the level of what Iran has been facing for decades, and handed their country over to globalists with a whimper.

Like in all wars, many Afrikaners fled the Boer War. Most went to Argentina with a smaller contingent to the Texas/Mexico border area. What happened to them you may ask? Simply quietly assimilated into the mainstream population of where they settled with a whimper as their descendants eventually stopped learning the language and migrated to large cities, intermarrying with locals and losing their culture even if unintentionally. By 2018, after multiple generations of assimilation and intermarriage these Afrikaner descendants are probably completely indistinguishable in looks and culture from the ubiquitous Italian/Iberian looking Argie hysterica chicas in Buenos Aires albeit with rarer last names, so this branch of Afrikaners simply vanished in thin air with a whimper.

The Afrikaners will probably have to fight this fight again. But if they rekindle their Boer War spirit, it will almost be certain that they survive in the end even if they lose the actual war. This doesn't apply to just Afrikaners, but all woke white Westerners who are currently lamenting the decline of their countries, especially the pain many see as their civilizational anchor cities such as London, Paris, and Berlin degenerate into cesspools where they find themselves outnumbered by hostile foreigners and degenerate fellow countrymen in their own metropolises. With this spirit, it won't be whites who will go down in flames as it may look like right now, but it will be (((THEY)) who will go down in flames and their coke-snorting children begging for mercy of the descendants of the people that they tried to stamp out with such chutzpah.
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(03-04-2018 10:00 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It would be an irrelevance.

By most accounts it wont matter whether they inherit burnt farms or farms still intact. Whatever machinery is left will be destroyed through misuse or theft, or go idle for want of fuel. Whatever seed stock is left will be sold or eaten. They will get half a harvest in the first year at best and whatever they can sow and grow by hand thereafter.

Meanwhile I'll be doing what I reasonably can to minimise Australian interference during the necessary and appropriate die-off to return the local populations to subsistence farming levels.

Actually this is exactly what happened in most cases the farm goes to shit quickly, machines are either unused or sold for parts:

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We want your farm you evil racist!

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OK - you can have it back now.

Some are returning and there are celebrations when they do:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-zimba...SKBN1EF2US

Though I would not trust it - at best you can eek out as much as possible from the land while biding your time before the Chinese masses and military arrives in force to take over affairs.
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(03-05-2018 12:53 AM)Aquarius Wrote:  The Afrikaners will probably have to fight this fight again. But if they rekindle their Boer War spirit, it will almost be certain that they survive in the end even if they lose the actual war. This doesn't apply to just Afrikaners, but all woke white Westerners who are currently lamenting the decline of their countries, especially the pain many see as their civilizational anchor cities such as London, Paris, and Berlin degenerate into cesspools where they find themselves outnumbered by hostile foreigners and degenerate fellow countrymen in their own metropolises. With this spirit, it won't be whites who will go down in flames as it may look like right now, but it will be (((THEY)) who will go down in flames and their coke-snorting children begging for mercy of the descendants of the people that they tried to stamp out with such chutzpah.

It's easier said than done to unite and fight.

That is actually the biggest difference to the past. Back then they lost against the British superpower militarily, but their culture was intact, they were also unified from the rich to the poor.

Now the very wealthy don't care too much being able to disappear at a moment's notice. Large portions of the liberals, the empowered uppity women who until recently still were employed in state jobs - they won't be moving an inch and even campaigning against such an armed secession. The people there are already deeply divided.

Maybe someone like Noir can chime in when he gets the time, but I don't think more than 30% would be willing to fight and go down in a blaze of glory or win. You have to realize in addition that the globalists will never let them have it. That would be a strict Whites-Only state. Only brown people, Asians, blacks, Arabs and Israelis are allowed to have those ethno-states - essentially everyone but whites.
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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
Pre-cursor to this post

A thank you to Lemoned Iscream for a good post with the potential economic implications and to Zelcorpion for notifying me of this thread.

For what it’s worth, both of my parents lived on the opposite sides of apartheid so I have a mixed background and heard both sides of apartheid. They emigrated a long time ago and I came back to enjoy South Africa before (as I predicted) things got worse.

The Current Situation and Smokescreens

This is an increasingly complex situation and one of the worst possible outcomes is currently playing out.

Specifically the decision to amend the constitution, normalizing it and setting a precedent for changing it whenever they have an illogical motion they want to pass.
The land compensation without expropriation (LCWE hereon) was an idea first put forward by the EFF and Julius Malema.

Malema is a former member of the ANC Youth League, being kicked out for singing Kill the Boer and other racist rhetoric.

With the emergent power vacuum post-Zuma, Ramaphosa has come out and he is the most capitalist, shrewd businessman to be elected in sub-Saharan Africa. He has his finger in a lot of pies, globally and locally and as far as economics goes, he is the man to steer the ship. He got the position by making promises and now the time for those promises to be cashed in has come.

So in which direction will our ship be steered?

Now, in a country that has made countless promises post-1994 and has been too corrupt to implement anything, people have grown impatient. The ANC believes that the economy can be fixed, through his idea of devaluing the currency to make exports more competitive.

Your average toi-toi voter living in Limpopo, Northern Cape or KZN has zero understanding of such dynamics. This is a widespread problem, not understanding the economic and political machine and thus judging your leaders based off their rhetoric and changes you can actually see. Without understanding the infrastructural improvements, standard of living etc. being improved with any proposed changes.

When you keep the populace dumb and subjugate them to terrible education and myopic judgment, they are malleable, like putty in your hands and you have a perpetual vote from them by simply appealing to their emotions because their reason is not developed.

Hence, the ANC is doing just this ala EFF.

This is one aspect of the problem.

Tides have shifted in the sense that the EFF has gone from the ‘ringing the bell’ party and exposing the inadequacies of the ANC to actively attempting to provide ‘solutions’. This tide started shifting in the 2017 municipal elections. A mafia creates a problem and them proves the solution, unsurprisingly.

Key points of municipal elections:

- ANC support fell to it’s lowest post-1994 levels

- Democratic Alliance won over Nelson Mandela Bay, Pretoria and Johannesburg from them, in addition to already having Cape Town; economic hubs

- They have targeted Mashaba, the DA elected Mayor of JHB with a smear campaign since, and trying to pass a vote of no confidence (seriously, the statistics show the change as day and night by Mashaba)

The fear the above have created in the ANC, has led to the ‘enemy of my enemy’ is my friend hence EFF and ANC cosying up now. Arguably, this was one of the main catalysts for Zuma’s exit (among others). EFF went full machiavelian in recognizing this weakness and twisting the knife.

Post-Zuptagate and Zuma’s cronyism, the ANC decided to recall him and they have the EFF (and DA of course) to thank. They have gone ahead and adopted EFF’s manifesto of socialization and land expropriation, in a bid to steal their voters back into a majority, come 2019.

This is all rhetoric but there is no smoke without a fire. Most middle-class blacks and whites, who work together, braai together and have established good friendships, are scratching their heads at the current path ahead. It’s simply foolish and irrational.

It’s a common belief here that Malema intends on being the president one day. The EFF will never manage this because for all blacks, coloreds and Indians, they are indebted to the ANC and will vote for them for generations to come.

At least 2 generations need to die out, for the ANC to stop being the main option due to history. Any intelligent person with an understanding of politics here (and I am talking MPs and certain other individuals I know here) know that Malema intends on assisting the ANC at the cost of his party and getting back into the ANC for future presidential ambitions. Floyd Shivambu, chief whip of the EFF is also ex-ANC as are most of the EFF members older than 30 years of age.

Ironically, here is a fresh article

The scary thing is that Malema is fucking sharp, charismatic (to the electorate when dancing like a fool) and understands South African politics. Most importantly, he has dirt on most politicians and knows how to throw his weight around which is what we are seeing here.


Land Expropriation Without Compensation

Ironically, many whites who are still here had nothing to do with stealing it from black people; it was purchased in legal ways. They just were in a better position than 99% of the blacks to be able to afford the land. This is the problem at hand which unfortunately, is part of the economic machine.

Nonetheless, this goes against the narrative so the goalposts are shifted and it’s the white mans fault and our ancestors land, right. They own it all.

Fact: Most of the land is in the hands of the majority, not the whites.

There’s massive cognitive dissonance in seeing how ‘apartheid’ what they want to do is and this all stems from the emotional mindset they are applying and populist rhetoric. What people want is not always what is good for them.

Black twitter is overflowing with racism but the main theme is that they want the land for banks, schools etc. (ironically all the shit that the whites brought them).
Most of us in the political sphere (working, have degrees whatever) acknowledge this is impossible without stirring a civil war. The ANC never wanted this (it’s impossible, ethically and logistically) but they were forced into addressing this due to the wishes of your average Joe and the EFF.

With all due respect to the forum members here, most white South Africans here are making exit strategies, they just aren’t announcing it on forums and reddit etc. The only delusional ones are the libtard homosexuals here in Cape Town or other melting pots where they are subjugated to white shaming that they have been brainwashed otherwise. You could add the non-Afrikaners who aren’t living in this type of fear (myself included) who are in a security bubble with a decent job. I also have dual citizenship (EU) so I have my finger on the trigger.

Afrikaners are probably the most ‘alpha’ ethnicity around, they are hard working, rational and generally successful at what they do. They are also behind the emerging tech scene here, given their resourcefulness and most of the <30 are going overseas for jobs. Their women are stunningly beautiful and traditional (so if you are lucky, some may come to a neighbourhood near you).

The whites who will be stuck here are the ones with families and are rooted here and they are still making exit strategies while they keep an eye on the 2019 elections.

The hilarious thing is most of the whites that own land here aren’t South Africa or they don’t own farms. They mind their own business for the most part because they live with that low-key guilt and this is exacerbated daily.

Blacks here are supremely xenophobic and racist, you hear them (the younger ones/woke crowd) in the supermarkets, on the street, whatever. I understand why but I don’t agree with it; it’s symptomatic of the victim mentality we have all around us. You see women in the US carry on, imagine how the blacks in South Africa carry on and it’s understandable. The only comparable place with this kind of racism I have experienced is China and EE 10 years ago.

The blacks don’t even want land, they want money. I guarantee a good majority will spend it on materialistic items (they are stuck in that bubble) and BMWs instead of re-investing it into the infrastructure. It’s sad but unfortunately, the land and the money it generates will be used to buy votes and cars which will have no economic net benefit towards the country.

Seriously, you drive around certain townships and they all have DSTV (cable) but no running water etc.

As per my OP; Zulu’s and Xhosa’s have the political power and the Afrikaners have the economic power. It’s all about grabbing that economic power through theft and maintaining the political power through populist rhetoric.

This country is already divided thanks to Bell Pottinger, the Guptas and Zuma in creating a false narrative of Black Monopoly Capital.

Russia Today, being the propaganda channel they are, hosted Andile Mngxitama to explain why blacks want the land back despite him being a puppet set up by an Indian family to fan the racial flames along with twitter bots.

Now, anyone who has worked with Xhosas and Zulus, the 2 tribes making the majority here, know that they don’t respect each other and can’t really work with each other. Combined with the victim mentality and entitlement complex, the productivity % here is really sub-optimal.

10-15 years down the line, when they get rid of the whites (directly or indirectly), the next phase of conflict will be between them.

This is just human nature; look at the West, we have made society reasonably equal that political parties, pressure groups (such as feminists and SJWs) and other powerful individuals continue to push divisions. Now it’s men vs women and that opens a whole new topic of subdivision based off whatever classifications.

It’s the rich vs poor > black vs white (same shit here in SA) > religion > tribe > men vs women etc.

You would think that in 2018, this would be acknowledged but perhaps it is and being used for political benefit. Who knows.

There are so many horses in this race that yes, fucking off from South Africa would be the best option.

Water shortages made life expensive and third world. Internet and data is one of the most expensive. Crime is ridiculous and constantly a threat. You feel unwanted.

The only great things about it are the women, wine and scenery (Western Cape).

This LCWE is only going to strengthen the Black upper class and politically connected.

Why?

- Zero-sum game of absorbing assets and financial capital from the whites

- Your typical South African doesn’t want a farm, he wants a BMW to impress his neighbours about how much better he is doing than them despite living in a shack

- Your South African lacks technical knowledge with regards to means of production and primary/secondary industries; most university students are studying tertiary industry subjects

- They already own shitloads of land (Ingonyama Trust) and will seek to accumulate while siphoning off small parts to appease the electorate

South Africa is on it’s way to Zimbabwe 2.0 if Ramaphosa doesn’t screw over Malema and the EFF in 2019. Most whites have an exit strategy and are waiting for some sort of ominous event to leave and to be honest, they are fortunate they can do so. I feel for the coloreds who are the ‘forgotten people’, not white enough to not be fucked by apartheid and not black enough to be included into the political agenda post-apartheid.

FDI will dry up, blacks will blame the whites for lack of capital influx, they will devalue the Rand to become more competitive and everyone who doesn’t leave on time will lose shitloads of money to be put towards escaping by virtue of a weak Rand.

South Africa has a class problem which has been hijacked by the politics into a race problem (because the politicians are the beneficiaries).

That being said though, if it happens, it happens, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Nobody said shit when the EU came and gave Cyprus a haircut and we lost a good portion of our life savings.

All you can do is be aware of what the future holds and make decisions to divert your life onto a better path and avoid any collision if possible.

History lesson if you want to read further.

Finally, whites have made many mistakes. We are aware of this, we are constantly reminded of this. Many are racist, classist and adding to the racial tensions.

That is widely reported.

My post is primarily to give another perspective, the more untold one of the black ruling class and their divide and conquer technique to hold on to the power.

It’s what we have seen in every sub-Saharan African country, something Fareed Zakaria introduced as Illiberal Democracy and the whites are used politically, as a human shield for this.

Add the complex tribal power dynamics, deplorable history and current low standards of living, you would be crazy to not predict this. It's also easy to see how FDI will dry up. You want whites to invest in your country but you go and pull shit like this.

I haven’t even scratched the surface of the water crisis.
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Good stuff Noir - especially the hilarious article on the so-called "one-with-nature" peaceful Africans before Whites settled there:

https://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/...ownership/

It reminds me of all the real historic accounts of North American Indians and their own genocidal constant warfare and them hunting to extinction their own horse breeds.

One with nature - my ass.

The article also clearly shows that some African tribes were clearly more advanced and k-selected, but did not have enough time to rise further before being brutally defeated by the next bushmen with spears and their budding iron-age inventions being thrown away and left to rot by the victors who were more bred for speed and aggression.
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(03-04-2018 09:37 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  I think the white farmers should burn their farms down before leaving. Fuck these communists.

Why? The commies will starve anyway, it makes no difference to you if it happens from you burning farms this year or from them melting advanced machinery into scrap next year.

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If you are white you can flee to Botswana or Namibia.
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oddly enough every Jewish family I know has one foot out. The more orthodox seem to favour Israel and the secular one tend to be invested either in the US, Aus or uk (to a lesser extent).
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