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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
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(06-07-2019 03:19 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:35 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  Many people (probably a large majority) in the past have lived very fulfilling and moral lives without being able to read.

When did History begin ?
When man became able to write.
And why did our ancestors want to write ?
To pass on knowledge to their heirs.
If you can't read and write you are nothing.
You will never be able to understand nature and master your surroundings, and will be left to either adopt r-selection or see your bloodline wiped away.
Or both.

Maybe africans find this acceptable (I don't know, you would have to ask them), however hearing this kind of things in europe is rather disturbing imho.

I said that we should do away with the written word? No, just that it was not for everyone. That was the case for all civilizations until very recently and everyone still did all those things, including generating the current world . Big difference.

You can relax now.

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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
I'm relaxed, it's just that "fulfilling and moral" never applied to much of the world at all, and once you have seen real poverty you just don't find it funny at all.
06-08-2019 05:24 AM
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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
(06-07-2019 06:47 PM)ShotgunUppercuts Wrote:  “I'm really curious what you'd say to those black commies if you ever met one.“

@Foolsgo1d

As far as to what?

You say Simeon's heart is full of hate but he is merely pointing out uncomfortable truths Have you ever really experienced true hate? Thats why I said go meet a black commie in SA.

Bonus points if you're a white guy.
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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
I understand his frustration ,and after he responded i dont see that in him any longer .However some of the things he said arent true.

Yes i have experienced true hate ,im black after all.

Yes those folks shouldn’t have touch that girl.i understand their frustration also .


Guess i wont be getting those bonus.
06-08-2019 11:21 AM
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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
(06-08-2019 11:21 AM)ShotgunUppercuts Wrote:  I understand his frustration ,and after he responded i dont see that in him any longer .However some of the things he said arent true.

Yes i have experienced true hate ,im black after all.

Yes those folks shouldn’t have touch that girl.i understand their frustration also .


Guess i wont be getting those bonus.

I understand that blacks face some discrimination. Heard stories of nerdy black guys be held up by cops, their book ripped apart because they were looking for another young black guy who did a crime in another part of town. And the cops weren't even all White.

The shootings however of unarmed black men - that is a globohomo-scam in order to divide the races.

Still - the issue is that this kind of discrimination is based on reality, real hugely out of proportion crime stats. If your tribe was doing crime at the rates of Asians in the US, then Jesse Jackson would not have guiltily admitted that he gets nervous too when he gets followed by two black vs two Asian or White men at night. He himself knows that the chances are much higher that those 2 fellas could jump on a clearly rich guy like him.

So in a way you could blame most racial discrimination, even the rougher treatment at the hands of cops, - you could blame it all on your own people - even if you and your family are completely different and may be getting accusations of being a coon, half-breed, "acting White" or whatever.

I get that, but the issue remains.

And I repeat again - I would gladly die defending a cute innocent black girl. When I meet a new black guy, I don't think about crime stats, but assess him or her on the same value scale I do with everyone else. If he is cool, then we are cool. If he is a saint, then I will recognize that as well.

I love also real diversity, the difference of African tribes, their different sense of straight humor, laughter, culture, the hotness of the girls who have on average the most athletic bodies I have experienced (mostly African-African girls and not Western diaspora).

We could at best disagree on why the issue remains in South Africa and other places, but I cited my explanations and aside from disagreements then there is no hate or beef left among us. To me these are simply facts and not hate facts. What the globohomos do is the hateful thing, claim that all tribes are equal and any different results are based on racism, colonialism, etc. Those buggers are not honest and you should know why those sheisters are doing what they do - sell you pretty lies and then stab you in the back.
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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
For those of you saying that complaints about migration are just tired old white people rhetoric and that its just more racist colonial arguments:





Interesting 2003 documentary about the Nigerian take-over of South African inner cities.
When I was there in 1997 it was already a thing.
Nigerians I met in the inner cities were proud of their growing presence and their ability to corner illicit markets.

Some interesting talking heads in this documentary.

Why the takeover by a group of people living hundreds of miles away?
At 07:45 a Nigerian commentator gives the justification the Biafran conflict 1967-1970.
"Our government was callous towards us".
That was 24 years before the end of Apartheid and the Nigerian influx.

24 years.

What that conflict did create was a population who developed diaspora networks and expertise in illegal immigration, trafficking and smuggling.

It reminds me of the attitudes of the Sapeurs and the Kobeta Limbanga that I met when I was homeless in London.

At one stage in erstwhile Zaire a corrupt politician told his angry electorate:
"Débrouillez Vous!"
"Fend For Yourselves!"

They took this as a green light on illegal migration, trade and trafficking.
The council took me to look at shitty properties that they might re-house us in.
I took the first one offered.
The Congolese were proud to identify themselves as "les gens qui faisent Le Sape" and entrepreneurs - no desperate straits about them.
They were keen to underline their ability to play the system and get better and frankly looked down on my gratitude for the shithole I took to get off the streets as fast as I could.

So.. dip-shit politician back home tells you to go and flout the laws of foreign countries? I guess no one can stand in an illegal migrants way then.

The documentary makes the point that some Igbos are smart business people with a trade and an intellectual background, = which has certainly been my experience with wealthy and well-educated (western educated) Igbos.
There's a certain cunning with Igbos and Nigerian migrants as a whole.
The educated claim they are being tarred with the same brush as the more nefarious Nigerian elements but the question remains.. at what point do they become the tiny exception to the rule?

An igbo taxi-driver in London once told me that he should be allowed to stay in the UK because.. "the Englishman must remember that there are some 50-60million Igbo, we are a great nation too!" - I liked the guy but.. that argument didn't make sense to me.

A black South African woman at 03:06 says "They think they own the world or they own the country or something.."

At 09:25 a Nigerian "community leader" argues that they were 'desperadoes' after arrival and that - through straitened circumstances and discrimination they were forced into the drug trade and 'scams" in order to survive.

Ted Leggett a white commentator makes the case that their argument isn't legitimate - that the Igbo set their sights on carving out their niche of smuggling and drugs and scams before arrival and were not forced into it.

At 11:10 We hear the phrase "Payback Time" Nigeria were allies in the anti-Apartheid struggle.
Yeah but how much were they allies? What real difference did they make?

Well, we hear from a self labelled 'respectable Igbo' that "my parents were civil servants" and there was a 10% tax that they were forced to pay. 'Compulsory' anti-apartheid taxes...
Illegal and unwanted immigration into a similarly be-nighted and struggling Black African country?
yes ... but.. in the past we had to pay totally arbitrary fines to our kleptocratic government, with different symbolic names.

Who wants to bet that that money didn't make it all the way to the Anti- Apartheid cause?
'Cos, fast forward to the 2000s and Nigerian civil servants are having 100% of their pay check witheold from them by their own government.

Seems like it wasn't really Nigeria's role in the 'struggle' that was causing those dents in Civil Servant's pay check.

One guy says that he would be beaten at school by his headmaster if he didn't bring a cup of Nigerian currency to his headmaster to help "Mandela in jail".
"While Mandela was languishing in jail" they were being fleeced by their local authority figures? Colour me surprised.

So "We were with you.. y'know, during the time of Apartheid.. yeah! so.. this is the time y'know?.. so you just gotta pay back! .. this is the payback time.!"
There you go then, roll out the red carpet for illegal migrants into a populace that can hardly fend for themselves.

22:11 the female commentator tells us that the guy on screen "is a model, actor and basketball player" -
the multi talented fantasist argues that he shouldn't be stopped and have his papers checked, this shouldn't happen because 'this is Africa' and 'he is African', and 'he has a tattoo of the African continent on his arm which he showed to the policeman' -
"I told him I am from Africa and no-one have to show me my papers just like that.. because I'm black"

The Nigerians argue that because they form their own Self-Governance groups and police themselves they should be left alone. Like the Mafia in the US one could argue.
After all, if some of their number are involved in violence then they will have to pay a fine to their own membership organisations..

24:13 Commentator Trevor Leggett argues that the residential hotels in places like Hillbrow should be closed down as they are central to the Nigerian drugs trade and criminality.
At a raid an African politico argues "We are taking possession of Johannesburg as decent South Africans and we are going to be flushing out all of the criminal elements here."
After the hotel Mimosa was bricked up white commentator Leggett say that its not solving the problem because "to allow them to stay in the position that they are.. illegal by their nature and the fact that they are here and allowed to remain here means just allows a group of potentially dangerous people can remain undocumented in society. "

The logic of the "respectable Igbo" in response to his comments leaves something to be desired:
"For him to say that - he doesn't even know the history of America very well.. for America today is, is a bunch of Foreigners". Stellar argument.
The Nigerians can be likened to a nuclear element if you condition it to a certain way, it will power your industries, if you condition it to another direction it will blow your city to pieces." Pretend I'm legal, or else..
"respect is reciprocal, if you'd don't see me as a human being I don't even see you as a.. being". Pretend I'm legal, or else..
"From Cape to Cairo is Africa, we are brothers, we have to admit our faults.. yeah.." < Another Stellar argument.

The model basketball player and actor says:
"I am an African and this is Africa and I'm proud to be in Africa, I don't want people to ask for my papers."

"I am living in my own fantasy world and you must conform to my logic."
Sure, buddy.

You'll see in the video there's an attempt to make it a white on black issue back in 2003 but now..





Fast forward to 2019 and Nigerians are fighting pitched battles in the Central Business District with the Police and winning, driving out the authorities.
Black South Africans were out raged, as they have been talking about this take over of their inner cities and crime for over 20 years now.

So.. white racism on Black? (as they argued from 1994 to 2004?)



Not so much.

A white South African friend of mine angrily and critically re-tweeted a post from a local black politician:
"Be careful tomorrow people as more killings are coming as taxi drivers will be looking for Nigerians the whole day tomorrow (here she inserts applause emojis)."

Criticising her for inciting racial murder.

And.. Well.. Nigerians are being killed.. in 1s and 2s.. and 4s and 6s.

https://www.ft.com/content/99f9c38e-ce38...4456540ea6

The Financial Times reports:

"Nigeria has threatened “definitive”action to protect its citizens in South Africa following a wave of attacks on foreigners and foreign-owned businesses in the country. The warning raises tensions between Africa’s two largest economies just as dignitaries from across the continent gather in Cape Town for an international conference.

“The continuing attacks on Nigerian nationals and businesses in South Africa are unacceptable,” Abuja said in a statement on Monday night. “Enough is enough. Nigeria will take definitive measures to ensure [the] safety and protection of her citizens.”

The statement followed two days of unrest in Johannesburg, where authorities on Monday arrested dozens of people for looting foreign-owned shops and torching buildings and vehicles. The violence followed a similar incident in the capital Pretoria last week.

South African truck drivers also blocked roads and threatened violence this week in a wildcat strike against foreign counterparts.

On Tuesday, Nigeria’s foreign minister summoned the South African high commissioner to discuss the attacks.

The headquarters of the Casual Workers Advice Office, a non-profit organisation that represents casual labourers, was among the premises looted. “A wave of violence is sweeping over South Africa, targeting first of all women and people perceived as foreigners,” the group said.

South Africa’s impoverished townships and inner-city tenements have seen previous outbreaks of xenophobic violence that killed several people in 2008 and 2015, when Nigeria recalled its ambassador in response.

Migrant workers are often blamed for the country’s unemployment rate of more than 29 per cent, which analysts say reflects structural obstacles confronting the black majority, including a failed education system.

Most migrants come to South Africa from Zimbabwe and other nearby countries but large communities of Nigerian traders run small businesses in many cities.

“Protests, violence and looting are often caused and exacerbated by vast inequality, joblessness and economic exclusion faced by millions across our country,” said Mmusi Maimane, leader of the main opposition Democratic Alliance. “With over 10m South Africans unemployed and half the nation living below the poverty line, we have run out of ‘extra time’.”

However, both the DA and African National Congress have dabbled in populist rhetoric targeting foreigners in recent elections. In national polls earlier this year the DA campaigned on the message of “secure our borders”, while in 2017 an ANC minister said South African cities were becoming “80 per cent foreign national . . . we are surrendering our land” — remarks that were circulated again on social media this week.

Between 1m and 2m of South Africa’s 55m-strong population is estimated to be foreign born, according to survey data."



My wealthy Nigerian friends in wealthy SA suburbs posting that "we're okay!!" - everybody posting.. "lord be praised!".
Well, you're living in a totally different world to the Nigerian migrants who have taken over Johannesburg CBD.
Reminds me of the rich Cape Town liberals who claimed that nothing was happening to their fellow White South African Farmers.





^Joint statement by Nigerian and South African governments.

The bloviating Nigerian politico talks about an "early warning system" "robust mechanisms" (ie: abstract things that aren't actually real) to ensure that these xenophobic killings do not occur again.. - lots of meetings planned for the future, lengthy discussions, joint statements...

^Anyone reminded of the bogus "anti-Apartheid" fines his government imposed in days of yore?

Two kleptocratic governments, that are totally out of touch with and exploiting their people, get together and expel more hot air - fantastic.

Interesting though that the South African representative is trying to muddy the waters and say that it's just your everyday South African crime and violence.
Nothing xenophobic here.
Hmm, seem to recall the same arguments applied to the killings of White farmers.

I just think that --whilst the elites might be enforcing illegal immigration as much as they can to their own ends -- the illegal migrants themselves are living in their own made-up world of entitlement..

Given some of the attitudes on display, it doesn't surprise me that these problems are rearing their head.
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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
Two dysfunctional African tribes are battling it out among themselves. It's not as if the black South Africans are the beacons of world civilization. They just get enriched by Nigerians.

Nigeria is at a size of almost 200 mio. in population, so they can easily send a few million without breaking a sweat.

The rapid population increas in Africa will produce more problems in the future. Ultimately they would want all to come to the West. Africa is doomed anyway since the economy in South Africa will collapse one day anyway when the Whites will be purged in one final bloodbath - or continuous war of attrition until the economic collapse happens. After that it will be one conflict after another between the current nations with ever more people fleeing the continent. Who knows - maybe this is the population control tool of the globalists until they let the Chinese take over the show.

The media picking out the rare law-abiding high-IQ citizens out of the mix is normal behavior.

Though I find the situation of South Africans being against Nigerian immigration funny. Funny because I remember black RVF members here being against white South Africans moving back to Europe or to the US, because "they would fuck up those places too". We responded by us not being concerned with White South Africans "fucking up" the West. But we were absolutely certain that black South Africans would fuck up things and the funny part is when they did not respond to it, because they knew this to be true. They would not want them to come. They even had this scene in the Black Panther movie of not accepting African immigrants. But the question remains? Why? Why are Europeans not alarmed with 5 mio. White South Africans coming in while they scream murder with a mere 100.000 Muslims or Africans? Must be racism - also racism that is shared by black Americans - heh.

Even Jesse Jackson mentioned this at times of being more concerned with 2 black guys following him at night. All this internatlized racism - hehehe.

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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
Is it possible for whites to one day react to immigration like black South Africans?

Don't debate me.
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RE: Is South Africa on the path to becoming the next Zimbabwe?
Possible? The right word is "inevitable".

(09-06-2019 09:12 PM)Pride male Wrote:  Is it possible for whites to one day react to immigration like black South Africans?

"Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin. Real love involves real hatred: whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the sellers from temples has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth."

- Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
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White Cross monument in South Africa - every cross is a one killed farmer, wife and daughter.
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