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Where I live, the average Chinese woman aged 18-20 is pretty fucking far away from being a 6, despite being slim as a chopstick.

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There is a lot of things going on with China right now, that doesn't make sense to me.

A lot of Chinese are buying up properties and businesses around the world like a Monopoly game.

Why not invest in their own country, make it a modern day America.

I believe in the upcoming war, a lot of those Chinese men will die in battle or in some nuclear attack the world has never seen.

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(04-22-2018 11:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  There is a lot of things going on with China right now, that doesn't make sense to me.

A lot of Chinese are buying up properties and businesses around the world like a Monopoly game.

Why not invest in their own country, make it a modern day America.

I believe in the upcoming war, a lot of those Chinese men will die in battle or in some nuclear attack the world has never seen.





Black Pigeon had a good vid on it. Most of the purchases are based on trying to secure their financial gains outside of China. Part of it may be even desired by the Chinese government.
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(04-22-2018 11:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  There is a lot of things going on with China right now, that doesn't make sense to me.

A lot of Chinese are buying up properties and businesses around the world like a Monopoly game.

Why not invest in their own country, make it a modern day America.

I believe in the upcoming war, a lot of those Chinese men will die in battle or in some nuclear attack the world has never seen.

Yeah I always wondered the same. I guess they've never heard of civil asset forfeiture. If there was any kind of breakdown of geopolitical relations there's not a chance in hell our government would let non-citizens retain title to property.

I say let them keep buying into the US but jack the property taxes way up for non-citizens and have some kind of investment tax for only foreigners. Kind of the same way that universities charge 400-500% more for tuition for international students. As it stands now they only pay capital gains on any profit on sale of property. If the shit hits the fan the government can just re-possess all Chinese owned properties.
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(04-23-2018 02:00 AM)Razor Beast Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 11:50 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  A lot of Chinese are buying up properties and businesses around the world like a Monopoly game.

Why not invest in their own country, make it a modern day America.

I believe in the upcoming war, a lot of those Chinese men will die in battle or in some nuclear attack the world has never seen.

Yeah I always wondered the same. I guess they've never heard of civil asset forfeiture. If there was any kind of breakdown of geopolitical relations there's not a chance in hell our government would let non-citizens retain title to property.

It's part of a long-term strategy that most Chinese families have. They are more worried about their own government confiscating their assets than they are of civil forfeiture in a foreign country. Fortis once wrote about a Chinese multimillionaire he met who told him that most of the elite in China spend most of their time thinking about how to get their money out of the country.

But it doesn't stop there. Included in the plan is having one or more of their children or close family members gain citizenship in Australia, Canada or the USA. Yes, becoming a citizen somewhere else does usual mean needing to give up Chinese citizenship, but that's the least of their concerns. There's nothing stopping junior from living in China on a foreign passport and still using daddy's person network to access opportunities that are only technically available to the non-elite.

Meanwhile, a large part of the family assets are safely in another country under the name of a citizen of that country. I've had some contact with connect people in China and let me assure you that there's little that they fear more than contact with a government official or police officer that they don't have an "in" with. They have too much too lose.

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Most Western nations have lost the generational memory of a shiny, new government swooping in with armed thugs and politely telling them "all land owners to the gulag".

I know jack squat about China but I'm plenty educated on Communism, and I would be doing precisely the same thing if I were in their shoes.

Google "how did people hide their wealth from communism" and you're going to get a no shortage of articles about modern day China.

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Suits, I still stand by that analysis from that rich Chinese guy. Coincidentally, many of his relatives do not have Chinese citizneship but still live like kings in China and spend months and months "traveling" around the West.

The other thing to remember is that there may be 30,000,000 more men than women, but that's spread out across the provinces, so it's not like you're finding a city center or major economic zone with these problems. Hell, for a while, Shenzhen was said to actually have more women than men because all the second and third daughters were trying to make their fortune in the boomtown that later became Shenzhen.

I don't really think foreigners will be impacted by this since most of us avoid tier-3 and below like the plague, and those of us who do reside in backwaters seem to be married and out of the pool.

I will admit, though, that I have dated a few girls here and gotten some dirty looks from guys, but these guys were villagers and migrant construction workers, not middle-class city dwellers. Honestly, I'd say that a mid to high-level local guy has WAYYYYY more options available to him than most foreigners putzing around China. I've met some expats and their wives and I was not impressed at all. On the flipside, I've met many local dudes with wives that had me wondering just how much money he had to pay her dad to lock her down. lol
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It's going to be really funny when the Chinese start showing up in droves in Ukraine, Russia, EE, etc.
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^ Ukraine would just limit their visa availability. Central asia and EE do not fuck around with people from other countries pulling silly shit in their country.
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(04-22-2018 09:30 AM)Suits Wrote:  I do routinely bang women who I consider to be 7's (and probably would be by Chinese standards), but that doesn't stop me from banging borderline 5s just for the goof.

There is no shame in keeping an Asian 5 on the rack. Mine sucks my dick and delivers my lunch.
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Seems like the real winners there are the prostitutes.

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(04-23-2018 04:59 AM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ Ukraine would just limit their visa availability. Central asia and EE do not fuck around with people from other countries pulling silly shit in their country.

Ukraine has been ok with the huge Turkish sausage influx though, I don't see why they would treat Chinese differently.
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(04-20-2018 08:12 AM)Suits Wrote:  
(04-20-2018 07:57 AM)YoungBlade Wrote:  So, don’t bang China or India. Got it.

Correction: Do bang China.

Why you care who don't bang China Mr high school drama man?

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Arado, the reason I say that is because, according to some Georgian friends, the Georgian government changed some laws overnight to prevent Chinese people from buying up all the property. I suspect other EE nations tend to be wary of floods of people coming in and doing things the locals can't do. I could be wrong.
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(04-23-2018 04:59 AM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ Ukraine would just limit their visa availability. Central asia and EE do not fuck around with people from other countries pulling silly shit in their country.

You sure about that? [Article from 2017]

Ukraine to provide visa-on-arrival for Indian tourists


Quote:In a bid to boost bilateral ties, Ukraine has simplified the visa procedure for Indian travellers. Diplomatic sources confirmed to The Hindu that the new visa procedure for Indian travellers adopted by the Ukrainian government on March 1 will grant visa-on-arrival for certain categories of Indian travellers.

“Considering India’s continuous economic grown, the government of Ukraine has enacted a new law granting the facility of visa-on-arrival for Indian businessmen and tourists for trips lasting up to 15 days,” said a senior diplomatic source. The new visa law has revised the normal visa fees to $65 for all visa seekers from India.

“The new tariff will be applicable irrespective of the number of entries,” said the diplomat, explaining that Ukraine’s new decision is aimed at warming up people-to-people ties between the two countries.

Procedures eased

A major beneficiary of the new visa policy will be the Indian students who have a sizable presence in Ukraine. The previous arrangement required visa-clearance from state immigration authorities, but the new policy will give bigger role to the educational institutions to issue letters to students which will help in fast-tracking the application process.

The diplomat clarified that the new visa policy of Ukraine is aimed at Indian, Chinese, Mexican, and Australian visitors.

“Earlier, normal visa took 30-days to process, but now normal visas from India will be processed in 10 days,” said the source.

Ukraine’s new visa policy is a sign of the growing proximity with India which received impetus following two high- profile bilateral visits. Ukraine’s Minister of Trade and Economy Stepan Kupiv met Minister of State for External Affairs M.J. Akbar during a visit in the last week of January. Mr. Kubiv’s visit followed a visit to Ukraine by Minister of Heavy Industries Anant Geete.

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I don't really think the gender imbalance is that big of a deal, it just requires a greater age spread for marriage to work (If there's a mismatched number of suitors, then the age that the girls get married versus guys will have to spread to account for the difference)
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(04-23-2018 09:58 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  I don't really think the gender imbalance is that big of a deal, it just requires a greater age spread for marriage to work (If there's a mismatched number of suitors, then the age that the girls get married versus guys will have to spread to account for the difference)

I'm somewhat cautious myself. Keep in mind, these are countries each with >1.2bn people.

So 40million/1.2bn, that's 3% excess men.

Is that enough to cause serious havoc in those countries?

I actually don't know.

Anyone have data on what historically happens when you've got 3% excess men?

It might be a nothingburger.

Or it quite might well be enough to cause a revolution.

And:

Quote:111-112 Men ages 15-29 for every 100 women in China and India

But when you look at the entire pool of men vying for women:

In China, 280 men ages 15-49 and India, 220 men for every 100 women ages 15-29.

Not all men above 29 are single. So it isn't quite right to compare the entire 15-49 men group to women aged 15-29.

That said 112 men for 100 women in age group 15-29...yeah that could be a problem.

Again, do we have historical data on 12% excess men and its effect on society? Is that guarentees social unrest/war or merely MGTOW/incel levels?

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(04-23-2018 10:19 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  
(04-23-2018 09:58 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  I don't really think the gender imbalance is that big of a deal, it just requires a greater age spread for marriage to work (If there's a mismatched number of suitors, then the age that the girls get married versus guys will have to spread to account for the difference)

I'm somewhat cautious myself. Keep in mind, these are countries each with >1.2bn people.

So 40million/1.2bn, that's 3% excess men.

Is that enough to cause serious havoc in those countries?

I actually don't know.

Anyone have data on what historically happens when you've got 3% excess men?

It might be a nothingburger.

Or it quite might well be enough to cause a revolution.

And:

Quote:111-112 Men ages 15-29 for every 100 women in China and India

But when you look at the entire pool of men vying for women:

In China, 280 men ages 15-49 and India, 220 men for every 100 women ages 15-29.

Not all men above 29 are single. So it isn't quite right to compare the entire 15-49 men group to women aged 15-29.

That said 112 men for 100 women in age group 15-29...yeah that could be a problem.

Again, do we have historical data on 12% excess men and its effect on society? Is that guarentees social unrest/war or merely MGTOW/incel levels?

To expand on what Ghengis Khan said, has there even been anytime in history where there have been 12% excess of men in a particular society?

With wars, disease, harsher living conditions and lower average age of death rates, I wonder if there are even statistics to look at with particular societies that have had in excess of 12% men to women?
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You don't need historical data, use some common sense.

A country with 112 men to 100 women, is not a country I would want to live in.

Look at the poor ratios in the West and multiply that by 10, welcome to China. That's a lot of men who aren't getting women.

In Canada, there are almost 200K more men than women in the 25 -49 age group. If that number was the other way around, then you would notice a change in the social patterns.

The opposite scenario, would be Russia. A million women more than man, go on any Russian olga dating website and look at the amount of women trying to find a man. Those odds are much more appealing to me.

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RE: Too Many Men: In China and India, men outnumber women by 70 million
I would trade that sexual market for the united states.



23%-60% of women identify as feminist. Let's say on the low end 23% identify as "strong feminist" and the 60% statistic is more just typical "equal rights" feminine musings. Right off the bat 23% of women are undatable.

40% of US women are classified as Obese.

Let's say on the optimistic side all the strong feminists are in the Obese camp and visca versa. That's a grim outlook. That leaves a huge amount of women undatable.

China has supposedly a 5% obesity rate and I don't know what the cultural equivalent of rabid feminist is so i'll stay out that.

I'll take 3% less women over 35% more blobs of lazy bitches anyday.

I don't doubt it changes social patterns though. And no I don't think there's been any time in history where men were in excess by that much. Men did hard jobs, went to war and died a lot more in the past. I think it's more typical to have an excess of women. The united states does for example. 50.8% female. Russia is upwarss of 53% female. Those few percent surely make a large difference in the sexual market but culture dictates it a bit more I think.
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(04-23-2018 11:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  You don't need historical data, use some common sense.

A country with 112 men to 100 women, is not a country I would want to live in.

Look at the poor ratios in the West and multiply that by 10, welcome to China. That's a lot of men who aren't getting women.

How can you assume China has worse ratios than the West?
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^Did you not read the title, 70 million more men than women.

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(04-23-2018 11:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Did you not read the title, 70 million more men than women.

That's 3% excess men. There's a decent argument to be made that the ratio of datable or even fuck it bangable women is better in China and India
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(04-23-2018 11:18 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  
(04-23-2018 11:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Did you not read the title, 70 million more men than women.

That's 3% excess men. There's a decent argument to be made that the ratio of datable or even fuck it bangable women is better in China and India

These men's problem is not a shortage of women. It's that they are dirt poor. They're also peasants who do their best to behave like peasants, so they don't even make up for their lack of cash with some class.

If they had money, they'd simply import more wives. As it stands, the reason why Vietnamese wives have such a bad habit of running away is because they're women with no options themselves. If the women being imported were middle class or at least a respectable lower working class who was making the logical decision to immigrate to China and marry a man there rather than destitute women who are just scamming the men who pay a fee to marry them, you'd be have plenty of foreign wives coming and staying.

As it stands, there's no shortage of local Chinese women available to Chinese men who aren't dirt poor and completely unattractive.

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(04-23-2018 11:01 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  I would trade that sexual market for the united states.



23%-60% of women identify as feminist. Let's say on the low end 23% identify as "strong feminist" and the 60% statistic is more just typical "equal rights" feminine musings. Right off the bat 23% of women are undatable.

40% of US women are classified as Obese.

Let's say on the optimistic side all the strong feminists are in the Obese camp and visca versa. That's a grim outlook. That leaves a huge amount of women undatable.

China has supposedly a 5% obesity rate and I don't know what the cultural equivalent of rabid feminist is so i'll stay out that.

I'll take 3% less women over 35% more blobs of lazy bitches anyday.

I don't doubt it changes social patterns though. And no I don't think there's been any time in history where men were in excess by that much. Men did hard jobs, went to war and died a lot more in the past. I think it's more typical to have an excess of women. The united states does for example. 50.8% female. Russia is upwarss of 53% female. Those few percent surely make a large difference in the sexual market but culture dictates it a bit more I think.

Man, that's actually a really good point. If you take into account obesity/undateable women, how do the ratios stack up in the West?

Do you really get approximately 100 men (all with some level of sex drive) for 60 bangable/fuckable women?

That'd be 167 men for every 100 fuckable women.

Even if you take out the bottom 20-30% of men, and have 70 men to 60 bangable women in the West, that's still 117 men for every 100 women.

As for historical patterns, I really don't know. I guess I'm curious about societies with high levels of wealth, for example late stage Roman times, where most of the workers and soldiers were foreigners. I'm not entirely sure if the average Roman had such a bad mortality rate (maybe they did?). There's quite a bit of literature about late stage empires where women are given freedom and guys spent an inordinate amount of time on their looks (no doubt trying to attract females). Game literature seems to pop during end of empire times too.

What percentage of sexless/marriageless men can a society tolerate before it goes to societal collapse?

Either way, I don't think anyone can deny we're in the middle of some bad times.

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