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Sexual assault charges dismissed in 1996 may still come back to bite you in 2018.
Quote:She told police they met on a Texas beach, fellow college students visiting South Padre Island during spring break 1996.

She was a 21-year-old college student at a large university; they were two football players and Theta Chi fraternity brothers at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in upstate New York.

On the evening of March 15, 1996, the woman told police that two men burst into the upscale hotel room where she was sleeping and took turns violently sexually assaulting her, according to court records and a news account at the time. They were arrested, charged and later indicted by a grand jury on one count of aggravated sexual assault — but they never stood trial and were not convicted.

One of the indicted men was 21-year-old Matt Patricia, who was hired as the head coach of the National Football League’s Detroit Lions in February. The other, his friend and captain of RPI’s football team, Greg Dietrich, 22.

Although both men have gone on to successful careers, the relevance of even old and untried charges raises questions for the Lions at the height of the “Me Too” movement, which has brought new scrutiny to sexual misconduct allegations.

The indictment remained an untold part of Patricia’s past during his rise in the coaching ranks, and the Lions said it eluded them during a background check that only searched for criminal convictions.

When approached by The Detroit News, team president Rod Wood initially said “I don’t know anything about this” — but hours later said his review of the situation only reinforced the team’s decision to hire Patricia.

Lions reaction to The News' Matt Patricia report

“I am very comfortable with the process of interviewing and employing Matt,” Wood said. “I will tell you with 1,000-percent certainty that everything I’ve learned confirmed what I already knew about the man and would have no way changed our decision to make him our head coach.”

Wood also said the woman recanted the sexual assault allegations multiple times — a claim not substantiated by existing records or lawyers for Patricia and his fraternity brother.

Team owner Martha Ford, lauded by Detroit Police in 2016 for her stance against domestic violence and commitment to changing the culture in the NFL, also did not know about the allegations.

One of Patricia’s defense lawyers said he believes the alleged assault never happened.

“In my opinion, it was a fabrication,” attorney Jeff Wilson said. “I’m telling you it was a ‘he said, she said.’ I don’t know what type of problems the girl was having; I don’t know why she made that allegation. We vehemently denied that he was doing anything wrong or did anything wrong.”

There are no legal prohibitions against requesting or considering past criminal charges for employment in Michigan, although federal civil rights guidance discourages holding an unsubstantiated charge against an applicant.

Patricia, 43, and Lions general manager Bob Quinn were not available for an interview about the indictment Wednesday.

Many details of the alleged attack are unclear. The police report was discarded, and several figures involved said they could not recall the case — not the police chief, lieutenant, grand jury forewoman, prosecutor, assistant prosecutor or defense attorneys.

The woman who identified Patricia and Dietrich to police as the perpetrators did not respond to multiple attempts to contact her over several weeks. The News has a general policy against identifying alleged victims of sexual assaults.

She ultimately concluded that she would not testify, court records show.

“Victim does not feel she can face the pressures or stress of a trial,” reads a hand-written note above the signature of Cameron County Assistant District Attorney Jacqueline Reynolds-Church in the Jan. 28, 1997, motion to dismiss the case.

Cameron County District Attorney Luis Saenz, also the district attorney at the time of the indictment, said he did not recall the case.

“It’s extremely frustrating,” Saenz said of dismissals prompted by a reluctance to testify. “Sometimes we get angry about it, get mad about it and pull our hair out. We don’t like to do this. It just sends the wrong message and is something that hurts all sexual assault cases.”

The assault case dates to Patricia’s time at RPI, where the 5-foot-11, 227-pound offensive lineman played center and guard. Dietrich was a team captain and president of the Theta Chi fraternity.

The men were in South Padre Island during Texas Week, an annual celebration that lured more than 100,000 people to the Gulf Coast island just north of the Mexican border.

“We referred to Texas Week as the week from hell,” said E.E. Eunice, South Padre Island’s police chief at the time.

He does not remember Patricia or the alleged assault.


Five days after the alleged attack, Eunice was quoted in a March 20 newspaper article carried in the Brownsville (Texas) Herald and at least one other newspaper.

“She told us she had palled around with them for a few days,” Eunice told the newspaper at the time.

At approximately 6 p.m. on Friday, March 15, the men arrived at a room at the Radisson hotel where the woman was sleeping, the newspaper reported.

Patricia and Dietrich “burst into” the room and awoke the woman before taking turns sexually assaulting her, according to the newspaper.

Not true, Patricia’s lawyer said.

“His alibi is this was a false accusation,” Wilson said. “He didn’t do anything.”

The accuser identified Patricia and Dietrich, who were arrested later that night and released on $20,000 bond, according to the story and court records.

Dietrich’s criminal defense attorney at the time, Sheldon Weisfeld, said he doesn’t recall the case.

“You’re talking damn near 22 years ago,” Weisfeld said

Months later, an indictment

Eunice said it was customary for his department to take sexual-assault accusers to an area hospital so medical staff could search for evidence of sexual assault.

After the alleged incident, a secret grand jury of Texas residents heard evidence presented only by prosecutors. To return an indictment in Texas law, nine of 12 grand jurors must vote that probable cause exists that the defendants committed a crime.

An indictment requires grand jurors find sufficient evidence to believe someone committed a crime, said Peter Henning, a Wayne State University law professor and former federal prosecutor.

“It’s a fairly low standard,” Henning said. “It is certainly not proof that the person committed the crime. Especially if the evidence changes.”

On Aug. 14, 1996, the grand jury indicted Patricia and Dietrich, each on one count of aggravated sexual assault, a felony that carries a maximum sentence of up to life in prison, according to Texas statute.

“The defendants compelled the victim to submit and participate by the use of physical force and violence ...,” it reads.

“It would have never gotten to that level if it was a weak case,” said Robert Rodriguez, a South Padre Island Police lieutenant at the time of the alleged sexual assault.

John Tasolides, a lawyer who responded to messages left for Dietrich this week, disagreed.

“If your complaining witness is not willing to come into court and testify, a case doesn’t get any weaker than that,” he said.

“(Dietrich) pled not guilty; he denied any responsibility for this, and the charges were dismissed,” he said. “Once an indictment is dismissed, you’re as innocent as the day before you were accused.”

The accuser likely did not testify in front of the grand jury, assistant district attorney Reynolds-Church told The News.

The grand jury likely was presented with the accuser’s statement, witness statements and any physical evidence, Reynolds-Church said.

Case is dismissed

Five months after the indictment, in January 1997, the case collapsed.

Wilson, Patricia’s lawyer, said he remembers preparing for trial in his hotel room on Jan. 26, 1997. The television was on — Patricia’s future employer, the New England Patriots, were playing the Green Bay Packers in Super Bowl XXXI — but Wilson wasn’t watching.

The next day, Wilson said he arrived in court to pick a jury.

“She didn’t show up,” Wilson said of the accuser.

Prosecutors stood up and asked to dismiss the case, Wilson said, a request that was granted.

The dismissal was prompted by a request from the accuser, according to court records.

“Victim is unable to testify and can not give a date certain when she will be available,” the dismissal reads. “Victim may request that the case be refiled at a later date.”

Last-minute dismissals are dramatic but not uncommon in criminal sexual conduct and domestic violence cases, Henning said.

“This does happen, in part, because of the stigma attached,” Henning said. “It reflects on them personally, and that’s very difficult for the victim.”

Patricia felt a great sense of relief after the dismissal, his lawyer said.

“It was a freakin’ nightmare for Mr. Patricia and his friend,” Wilson said. “Imagine if you’re innocent and charged with something like that — which nowadays would be worse.

“It was a pretty serious charge, man.”

A victim’s inability to testify can destroy a case, said Saenz, the Cameron County District Attorney in 1996 and today.

“It’s almost next to impossible in a sexual assault case where the jury wants to hear what happened,” he said.

According to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, in 1,000 sexual assaults, all but six perpetrators will walk free.

“It is fairly common for a survivor to not want to testify,” said Ted Rutherford, spokesman for the Texas Association Against Sexual Assault. “There is a fear of retaliation, fear that if they do report and if things go public with the story, their personal lives will be on display and picked apart.”

The case is unusual in one respect.

“(They) were immediately arrested, and that’s pretty rare,” Rutherford said.

There is nothing unusual about the case, said Dietrich’s lawyer, a former prosecutor.

“The people who make immediate outcries are false accusers many times,” Tasolides said.

No finding of guilt

At the time of the alleged assault, Patricia was an aeronautical engineering student. The criminal case was pending when he graduated from RPI in 1996 and took a job as a graduate assistant for his college football coach. He later worked as an engineer at an air and filtration systems company in Syracuse, New York, before eventually joining the Patriots.

After being charged, Dietrich, now 44, graduated with an engineering degree from RPI and received a master’s degree from Columbia Business School before working for IBM, GE and serving as a managing director of Credit Suisse in New York City, according to online biographies. He is a vice president of a Virginia-based technology company and lives in New York.

In a 2017 interview with the Theta Chi alumni magazine, Patricia said he and Dietrich remained close.

“We still talk all the time,” Patricia said.


Greg Dietrich

An indictment is merely an allegation, and since the case was never prosecuted, Patricia and Dietrich are considered innocent, said Keith Corbett, a veteran defense attorney and former federal prosecutor.

“But on a personal level, it’s a brand that stays with you forever,” Corbett said. “There’s no way to get around it. (They) never had a chance to defend against it, and there was no finding of guilt but from a public-perception standpoint; this is a thing that may follow them for the rest of their lives.”

Quinn did not know about the indictment before Patricia was hired, Wood said. Quinn is a former Patriots scout and executive who worked with Patricia for 12 years.

On the day of his introductory press conference in 2016, Quinn said that character would be a point of emphasis for players.

“That’s definitely going to be taken into account on every draft pick, every free agent signing that we take,” Quinn told reporters. “The two things that are zero tolerance are domestic violence and dangerous weapons. Those are the two things I’m not going to stand for.”

He later signed little-used tight ends Orson Charles and Andrew Quarless, who were both accused of gun-related crimes.

After the signings, Quinn clarified his zero-tolerance policy.

“I think every incident and every situation is different,” Quinn said last year. “Looking back, I probably should not have said that, because the more you do research on each individual incident, what you read in the newspaper and the Internet is sometimes not accurate.”

Background check conducted

The month before the Lions hired Patricia, the New Jersey-based private investigations firm APG Security requested copies of the indictment and dismissal from the county prosecutor’s office, The News has learned. When contacted by The News, an APG official said he was unaware of anyone requesting the court records.

The NFL’s personal conduct policy for players states athletes, coaches and employees all must avoid “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the league or be subject to discipline.

“It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime … even if the conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, players found to have engaged in any of the following conduct will be subject to discipline,” it reads. The prohibited conduct includes sexual assault, but it is ambiguous about the implications of a previous allegation.

The NFL hired four women to help shape league policy relating to domestic violence and sexual assault in 2014 amid complaints about how the league punished players, particularly former Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice, who was suspended for two games for a domestic violence incident with his then-fiancee. Rice later was suspended indefinitely after video emerged showing Rice knocking her unconscious, discipline that was later overturned on appeal by an arbitrator. An assault charge against Rice was dropped, and he underwent counseling, but no team ever signed him again.

Laws allowing employers to conduct background checks and hold people accountable for prior arrests and convictions vary from state to state. But in practice, employment decisions are routinely made during informal checks of court databases, social media and sex-offender registries available online, labor experts said.

“Studies show that once you get past seven years after a crime was committed and the person hasn’t engaged in any other criminal conduct, they are no more likely to engage in criminal conduct than you or I,” said Stacy Hickox, an assistant professor at Michigan State University and expert on employment law. “Others say ‘I don’t care how long ago it was,’ if it was a significant crime like the one you’re describing, then we’re going to look back as far as we want to look back.”

Michigan employers are allowed by law to ask prospective employees about arrests for felonies, but not misdemeanors. In Massachusetts, where Patricia worked for the Patriots from 2004 until earlier this year, state law bars employers from asking about arrests that did not end in a conviction.

Federal law does not prohibit employers from asking about criminal histories but an arrest, by itself, may not be used to discriminate against someone, according to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

“We did a complete background check,” said Wood, the Lions’ president. “Our background check was limited to employment matters only and does not disclose any criminal matters that don’t result in a conviction or a plea agreement.”

After being hired by the Lions on a reported five-year deal, Patricia said he favors giving a second chance to players facing arrests or convictions.

“Obviously, depending on the degree of the issues. But let’s just say just in general, I think it’s important to work with all those guys,” Patricia told reporters during an NFL meeting in Orlando earlier this year. “We’ll go through the process and if we feel that there’s someone that would be good for us and a good fit for our organization and what we need, then that’s my job as a coach to go in and do everything I can to try to make them the best player they can be or the best people they can be.

“I really look at it as we’re educators, we’re trying to teach these guys. And one of the reasons I left engineering and got into coaching was for that reason, to be able to have that human element of trying to make a difference in people’s lives.”

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This is where it is heading. No statute of limitations for allegations of sexual misconduct aimed at straight men.

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This is bullshit, they want him to disclose what a criminal background check will not. He did not got to trial and the charges were not pursued.

Have you ever been convicted of a felony? No, I have never been convicted of a felony-correct answer. A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. I posted in the Famous Man Allegation thread this bullshit was coming.....

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Fuck this gay earth. 22 years ago when you were 21 a bitch said you raped her, the case did not proceed-you cannot progress or succeed ever, Nate Parker rule invoked.

He was accused when Biggie and Tupac were still alive, the Twin Towers were still standing , Friends were in their second season, the Olympics had yet to come to Atlanta, and Bill Clinton's dick had yet to pass Monica's lips but fuck this guys career forever. He got accused before thongs were in style for bitches , Y2k was a thing , The Spice Girls, and before Beenie Babies were popular-he can never work again. Fuck #meToo and the fugly bitch that started it.

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Upscale hotel in Padre Island?

I've been there, maybe they got a best fucking western.

I guess that stuff doesn't matter in court anymore. I just picture some bitch saying " your honor he raped me in a fairy castle floating on clouds" and the judge says "guilty, rape is rape!"

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The fact that he's been free of rape claims in the 22 years since is (Bayesian) evidence that the initial claim was false; young offenders typically turn into serial offenders, regardless of the crime, and in his case he turned into a model citizen.

But Oh, Law and Order: SVU taught us that it's always the person you least suspect!

No. It's usually the first person you suspect. But we don't live in healthy world.

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He'll be fine. The NFL might look into it for PR reasons, but after a cursory investigation, Patricia will be coaching the Lions. There's no video or other damning evidence. Your typical NFL fan doesn't care about #metoo.
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(05-10-2018 05:38 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  This is bullshit, they want him to disclose what a criminal background check will not. He did not got to trial and the charges were not pursued.

Have you ever been convicted of a felony? No, I have never been convicted of a felony-correct answer. A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. I posted in the Famous Man Allegation thread this bullshit was coming.....

I wrote this in one or two other threads, but until this hysteria passes:

1) Maintain as low of a public profile as you can. Any angry ex girlfriend, former hookup, ONS, etc, can ruin your life on a whim, no evidence needed. Best to stay out of their sight.
2) ALWAYS audio record your hookups, and send them to a dropbox with the time, date, and girls name.

I hate that the #metoo witch hunt has reduced men to this pathetic position, but until women are forced to be accountable for their behavior, and by extension produce hard evidence for any accusation they make, this strategy is a necessary evil.

Also, LOL at the BS about how the "victim" bailed before the trial. In a sane world, everyone would agree it reduces her credibility to nothing, and that she likely bailed because all or part of her story was fabricated. Whenever their behavior is examined, the "victims" coincidentally almost always behave like lying sluts. Whodathunkit.
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In my county I got wind through a behavioral therapist this is where the law and scope of allegations will be expanding into next.
For christ sakes there's an app that 2 consenting adults can "sign" with bar codes and the court still throws that out.
On a date and both parties are drinking and then hook up? Fuck you, that's illegal......for the MAN only.
Everything is now going to be against the man first and the woman....well forget it, bud, she is not responsible anymore.


And as far as revoking consent, that's now a thing and can be invoked at any time during any encounter against any man.
This isn't looking to good for hedonistic unhealthy behaviors in our society...from a man's standpoint.

I doubt it. Remember that your lower level, millenial leftist isn't good at critical thinking. They're largely like trained dogs who emote in response to programmed cues like the word "racism" and "socialism". Easy_C

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(05-10-2018 05:38 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  This is bullshit, they want him to disclose what a criminal background check will not. He did not got to trial and the charges were not pursued.

Have you ever been convicted of a felony? No, I have never been convicted of a felony-correct answer. A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. I posted in the Famous Man Allegation thread this bullshit was coming.....

It's already here, and will stay here for the foreseeable future. A devastating victory for evil feminist harpies everywhere.

Old reality: Unless you were truly predatory or had unbelievably bad luck, something like this would never affect you.
New reality: Any man can be accused of having done anything at any time, and is instantly guilty. Legitimizing accusations from >3 years ago means it will be nearly impossible to prove your innocence, if you even bother to try.

The only ray of light is that many accused celebrity men stayed quiet, and have basically been unaffected. Ironically, the sheer volume of accusations (most of which were ridiculous) has made it somewhat normalized high status men having some kind of sex accusation in their pasts. We'll have to see how many resume their careers for an indication of how things will progress.
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It's shit like this that forces me to to be neater with my game.
I'd hate to be a game aware male celebrity right now.

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The original post would have been even better, and certainly it would be much clearer, if the first two paragraphs from the long cited article were not deleted. Here they are:

USA Today Wrote:According to the Detriot News, Matt Patricia, head coach of the Detroit Lions, was indicted, arrested, and charged on one count of aggravated sexual assault in 1996, in a case that was dropped when the accuser did not show up to trial.

On March 15, 1996, a 21-year-old woman reported to police that Patricia and his friend and RPI football teammate Greg Dietrich attacked her in a hotel room and violently sexually assaulted her.

As posted, it was not clear that the accuser did not bother to show up to trial -- something which should be treated much more seriously by the justice system than it is: The accuser not only caused serious damage to the accused but also cost the tax payer serious change, and then she did not show up! If you call the Fire Department, or an ambulance, for no reason, you are expected to pay for that (at least in some jurisdictions), but if you abuse the system as in this case, there is no penalty!
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(05-10-2018 01:01 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  This is where it is heading. No statute of limitations for allegations of sexual misconduct aimed at straight men.

It could occasionally target gay molesters too, but yeah, that will not be the main point of changing those laws.

Most of the movement has to do with going after child molesters, but I can see how this would be turned around to any kind of accusation against straight men being guilty until proven innocent.

If this approach can continue against a duly elected President for non-sexual crimes - hell, not even any identifiable crimes whatsoever - then imagine how easy it would be to go after the average Joe in this climate. We're already living in a police state.

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Lets call this what it is. A false rape allegation, and he is the victim. Lets stop shaming the victim and shame the perpertrator of this false accuation and demand prosectution.
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That's a great insight, in theory. But in practice there are a lot of cucks and career-ist Gen X'er feminists who are in the prosecutorial and court therapy fields who are rewriting laws and squeezing all these allegations for what they can. NONE of these people wants LESS restriction on male and female sexual encounters. They want more, and the more they can convict the more they then can create the feedback loop of " see, more convictions means we needs stricter laws because everybody is doing it".


Until these people are replaced or are told to stop fucking ruining human sexual encounters based on what they THINK they should be, as opposed to what they really are(fun), we can all expect this shit show to get worse. Proceed accordingly.

I doubt it. Remember that your lower level, millenial leftist isn't good at critical thinking. They're largely like trained dogs who emote in response to programmed cues like the word "racism" and "socialism". Easy_C

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(05-11-2018 10:48 AM)estraudi Wrote:  That's a great insight, in theory. But in practice there are a lot of cucks and career-ist Gen X'er feminists who are in the prosecutorial and court therapy fields who are rewriting laws and squeezing all these allegations for what they can. NONE of these people wants LESS restriction on male and female sexual encounters. They want more, and the more they can convict the more they then can create the feedback loop of " see, more convictions means we needs stricter laws because everybody is doing it".


Until these people are replaced or are told to stop fucking ruining human sexual encounters based on what they THINK they should be, as opposed to what they really are(fun), we can all expect this shit show to get worse. Proceed accordingly.

These allegations went no further than that back in 1996.

They came to light again not because of women, but because of a man: Robert Snell of the Detroit News, who wrote the story the original poster linked above.

Why would Snell feel the need to dig this info up now? I wouldn't know because his Linkedin profile has been removed as of Friday, May 11, 1 p.m. You can see it when you search for it on Google, but when you go to the link, it's gone.

I wonder if he pulled it because he was getting hate mail. This isn't just a sports story. This speaks to the American experience. In the USA allegations are just that. If you're not convicted your rep should not be tarnished -- especially if the case doesn't go to trial and especially if it's a first (and only) offense.

But a story like this changes the game, no pun intended. Now the court of public opinion matters -- and writers like this can make themselves judge and jury. Decades ago, editors never would have approved this story because it dredges up allegations that were unproven in court.

Finally, we needed to know who wrote this. As I've said many times, when you post an article INCLUDE THE BYLINE because it matters.
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There is also the possibility that he may have been told by his lawyers to pull down or suspend his social media accounts upon receiving word he was being sued for libel.

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(05-10-2018 07:00 PM)Kona Wrote:  Upscale hotel in Padre Island?

I've been there, maybe they got a best fucking western.

I guess that stuff doesn't matter in court anymore. I just picture some bitch saying " your honor he raped me in a fairy castle floating on clouds" and the judge says "guilty, rape is rape!"

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Leave it to Kona to use this thread as an excuse to trash Best Western.

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Is there a tldr?

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(05-11-2018 10:30 AM)Hypno Wrote:  Lets call this what it is. A false rape allegation, and he is the victim. Lets stop shaming the victim and shame the perpertrator of this false accuation and demand prosectution.

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(05-11-2018 10:48 AM)estraudi Wrote:  That's a great insight, in theory. But in practice there are a lot of cucks and career-ist Gen X'er feminists who are in the prosecutorial and court therapy fields who are rewriting laws and squeezing all these allegations for what they can. NONE of these people wants LESS restriction on male and female sexual encounters. They want more, and the more they can convict the more they then can create the feedback loop of " see, more convictions means we needs stricter laws because everybody is doing it".


Until these people are replaced or are told to stop fucking ruining human sexual encounters based on what they THINK they should be, as opposed to what they really are(fun), we can all expect this shit show to get worse. Proceed accordingly.

These allegations went no further than that back in 1996.

They came to light again not because of women, but because of a man: Robert Snell of the Detroit News, who wrote the story the original poster linked above.

Why would Snell feel the need to dig this info up now? I wouldn't know because his Linkedin profile has been removed as of Friday, May 11, 1 p.m. You can see it when you search for it on Google, but when you go to the link, it's gone.

I wonder if he pulled it because he was getting hate mail. This isn't just a sports story. This speaks to the American experience. In the USA allegations are just that. If you're not convicted your rep should not be tarnished -- especially if the case doesn't go to trial and especially if it's a first (and only) offense.

But a story like this changes the game, no pun intended. Now the court of public opinion matters -- and writers like this can make themselves judge and jury. Decades ago, editors never would have approved this story because it dredges up allegations that were unproven in court.

Finally, we needed to know who wrote this. As I've said many times, when you post an article INCLUDE THE BYLINE because it matters.

All good points for sure and who knows why this was brought up after 22 years.... but I do know there is now cases and laws on the books that are throwing out the statute of limitations and believing any old ho's story true or not.

I doubt it. Remember that your lower level, millenial leftist isn't good at critical thinking. They're largely like trained dogs who emote in response to programmed cues like the word "racism" and "socialism". Easy_C

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I personally can't wait until a university SNL I had back in 1998 decides in 2035 that I didn't respect her as a woman and "sexually assaulted" her because I prefer hard doggy style to looking in her eyes during sex and and telling her how beautiful she is every 30 seconds, like a soyboy ought to.

By then, it will be an automatic conviction and 30 year sentence.

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(05-11-2018 10:30 AM)Hypno Wrote:  Lets call this what it is. A false rape allegation, and he is the victim. Lets stop shaming the victim and shame the perpertrator of this false accuation and demand prosectution.

Exactly. Enough is enough. It's time to hit back.
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