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(06-20-2018 05:10 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 11:52 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  What is the source of their power though? Why do they have such a strong grip?


(06-20-2018 11:52 AM)the dark knight Wrote:  Low IQ and genetics? That is the argument I have heard. I don't agree with that, but who knows.

It seems that most people are just lazy and never want to improve their lives with hard work. Maybe this is the same type of thing.

A) The destruction of the nuclear family has had a seismic impact on the black community. There's no fathers to provide decent examples of men and emotional guidance/stability. And the bum men act as great examples every time an angry black woman wants to talk shit. (And real talk though, there are a lot of bum ass black men out there, I see those losers every day hanging on street corners during business hours). It's a large part of the reason why black women are so painfully unhappy.

B) Forget about race for a moment. Who in America actually tells women--any woman, regardless of her color--to work on themselves? Who tells women there are consequences to their actions, and if they get fat and sassy that men will dislike them? Often times, that Real Talk was the realm of fathers. See above. A few women understand this and stay trim and nice; those women tend to be successful, and they rarely tell other women the truth (which IMO is a way to limit competition).

C) Meanwhile, and related to all this, you have the "Big is beautiful" movement in the West. IIRC the term "thick" started in the black community and though I believe there is a such a thing as thick vs fat and thick can be hot (a girl with a big ass and no stomach is my kryptonite) too often the word is just used to make fatness seem acceptable.

Again, white women are going through/doing all the above, just not on nearly as big and destructive a scale as black women are.

Seems too like they are playing the female authority card for all it is worth.

I have always thought that women have a natural opportunity to exercise authority because when you were little, everything your mom said went, and then you go to school, and all the teachers when you are young are women.

So deeply embedded in each man from an early age is the instinct to do what a woman says just because she says so and for no other reason.

When I was a kid, women mostly didn't take advantage of this advantage, and only used it when they really needed it for something.

Like you are saying about modern women never having to work on themselves, if you take the natural male tendency to obey female authority and add it to the absolute lack of consequences for women in our culture, it seems like this is a good and easy way to get what you want.

Not a black man though, so I cannot speak to the issue specifically. I am just wondering if this principle might explain partially why black men let them get away with it.

When a black woman bitches him out, he is hearing the voice of every female relative and female school teacher in every insult or command.

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It's funny though that black-american women's counterparts in Africa have 100x the struggle but virtually none of the attitude and nastiness.
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The only black guys I know who have problems with black women simply dont ever check them. Have never told her to shut the fuck up, looked her dead in the eye and asked her if she was fucking serious, etc. Said in a calm but dead serious way. Some can deal with them but choose it's not worth the effort, but the only ones who cant that I know are afraid to tell her what they really think if she acts up, or dont have a quick enough tongue/mind to say something real slick to her.

One of my close friends who I got alot ot my game from (black guy) constantly checks them. If saying something real aggressive to them feels like it would be out of character for you, it's already over.
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(06-20-2018 06:38 PM)Repo Wrote:  The only black guys I know who have problems with black women simply dont ever check them. Have never told her to shut the fuck up, looked her dead in the eye and asked her if she was fucking serious, etc. Said in a calm but dead serious way. Some can deal with them but choose it's not worth the effort, but the only ones who cant that I know are afraid to tell her what they really think if she acts up, or dont have a quick enough tongue/mind to say something real slick to her.

One of my close friends who I got alot ot my game from (black guy) constantly checks them. If saying something real aggressive to them feels like it would be out of character for you, it's already over.

True. But then that loops back to Debeguiled's great post about men growing up with mom then female teachers in a society that still demands chivalry (you never hit a girl, you pay for the first date, etc.) That's a lot of mental conditioning you need to overcome to be able to check bitches. It can be worse for black men because they have a higher probability of not having a male role model in the house so they've never seen any kind of playful mastery first hand. Therefore in their minds there's no difference between checking a girl and yelling/hitting/abusing her.
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Eh not sure I agree that society demands chivalry when even from a young age women respond to the opposite of it, and even if your not checking them you can observe men who are and are having success. In fact I think lack of male role model would contribute even more to lack of hesitation to check them. .. . Most guys I know who are afraid to check them did have a father in the picture! But the ones who didnt are more cold blooded with them. But hey I'm not an expert just what I've observed in my small corner of the world.
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(06-20-2018 06:38 PM)Repo Wrote:  The only black guys I know who have problems with black women simply dont ever check them. Have never told her to shut the fuck up, looked her dead in the eye and asked her if she was fucking serious, etc. Said in a calm but dead serious way. Some can deal with them but choose it's not worth the effort, but the only ones who cant that I know are afraid to tell her what they really think if she acts up, or dont have a quick enough tongue/mind to say something real slick to her.

One of my close friends who I got alot ot my game from (black guy) constantly checks them. If saying something real aggressive to them feels like it would be out of character for you, it's already over.
Essentially, treat them like men until they drop the masculine act.
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Not even a black white thing, but most straight laced guys with a healthy family are more likely to give women more respect than they deserve. I know way more players from single moms than two parent families.
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(06-20-2018 12:49 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  [quote='Not a Second Hander' pid='1804627' dateline='1529460592']

This is a great post. I basically agree, but is black women's attitude the only reason black men prefer women of other races? I mean, a wealthy/high status black man could probably get a black woman who behaves herself (if not Afro-American, then Carribean, South American, or African). If they really wanted a black women, that is. A lot of these guys wind up with white women who are just as crazy, selfish and disrespectful as the black women they had access to.

Yes and no.
Yes because if the girl has attitude there's a very good chance the other females she hangs out with also have the same attitude. Not to mention her friends will be 3x harder on checking your male power at every chance. If not trying to outright steal you away.
Sometimes the black girls that are available to you are in dangerous environments (the hood) or they have kids, weight issues.

Most guys (not just black guys) are not wealthy/high status. So they have to pick from the left overs. And sometimes the left overs from another race is better than the left overs sitting in front of you. Plus if you are a high status male, you probably had to work very very hard to get there. If you date a black girl outside North America chances are you will be dating a girl from a poor family which means you'll be seen as the family's personal ATM for all of their financial issues.

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(06-20-2018 06:38 PM)Repo Wrote:  The only black guys I know who have problems with black women simply dont ever check them. Have never told her to shut the fuck up, looked her dead in the eye and asked her if she was fucking serious, etc. Said in a calm but dead serious way. Some can deal with them but choose it's not worth the effort, but the only ones who cant that I know are afraid to tell her what they really think if she acts up, or dont have a quick enough tongue/mind to say something real slick to her.

One of my close friends who I got alot ot my game from (black guy) constantly checks them. If saying something real aggressive to them feels like it would be out of character for you, it's already over.

It's different when you aren't constantly bombarded with the attitude everywhere.
A lot of times within game it isn't always about the push/pull or demonstrating your superior quick wit.
Sometimes it's your ego that attempts to justify putting up with a disrespectful bitch because "she's hot" or whatever else passes for an excuse these days.
Its a cost/benefit analyses, is this girl worth all the effort just to fuck or ltr up? Or am i better off finding a girl that's more chill and doesn't pick fights, use sarcasm or just be a cunt at every possible moment?

Another way to think about it is, every time a girl gives you attitude its like getting punched in the face. The upside is you get to fuck her. How many times are you willing to get hit in the face just fuck her?

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I love the discussion above with Jesse Lee. Funny how he blows open the de-fanged patriarchy of Christianity. It's clear that the wife has the pants on in the marriage.

She cannot bring herself to call her husband the boss over her. Also funny how they justify female pastors. Of course we know that male headship of the family is backed up by Game and the Red Pill - aka science. Women may say that they don't like it, but in reality they like it when the husband is king over her.

Most churches are utterly feminized now - you can check out Dalrock for more insights.

As for why most black women have such whip over black men - it has simply developed in the last decades - Jesse Lee speaks of plenty of reasons for this.

I personally met mainly saner black US women and dated only educated African ones, so any pathology missed me completely. Gotta dip my dick in that some day and experience it for myself. Though I have rich African acquaintances who married US black girls - those marriages are stable, but they live in Nigeria most of the time, so I guess women take the vessel they are poured into.
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(06-20-2018 06:38 PM)Repo Wrote:  The only black guys I know who have problems with black women simply dont ever check them. Have never told her to shut the fuck up, looked her dead in the eye and asked her if she was fucking serious, etc. Said in a calm but dead serious way. Some can deal with them but choose it's not worth the effort, but the only ones who cant that I know are afraid to tell her what they really think if she acts up, or dont have a quick enough tongue/mind to say something real slick to her.

One of my close friends who I got alot ot my game from (black guy) constantly checks them. If saying something real aggressive to them feels like it would be out of character for you, it's already over.

I've noticed this to be the case, too. As I've gotten older and seen more of the world, I've found that certain black girls like me more since I'm not studying them. I find that if she tests your steel and you smack her down (verbally lol ) she is likely to play nice. That said, I tend to be turned off by that. I'm not trying to break an alpha wolf, I'm just trying to have fun/pleasant interactions with the opposite sex.

Whenever a girl starts up with some dour bullshit, I either toy with her a bit or next her.

I realized, after going abroad, that a lot of the shit that Black-American guys think is just "strong personality" is actually just bad behavior that we've been conditioned to accept because we don't have many alternatives.

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Anyone who has dealt with Africen FOB or Caribbean women knows that it has nothing with genetics or "strong personality". Libido is genetic, but not "strong independent take-no-shit female behavior".
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Let me break it down, This is coming from a guy who was a male feminist, super Afrocentric (pro black/ BLM type before BLM) "woke" SJW before it was cool (around 2007-2011)

Black women are the absolute worst when it comes to people, I've seen in person and in SJW comps of black women completely betraying SJW's and saying their problems are more important than anything on this planet. The reason for black women behavior is somewhat tragic

1. They have an immense hatred for themselves. Other races value femininity and beauty, most women of other races KNOW men only want them for their looks mainly and other features secondly. Black women, however, can't really get that. (now it seems every race is getting this notion) Black women feel that Having these features like a big ass or big tits will bring a guy to them, but a guy should stay because of their "knowledge" and "personality" they live by the Marilyn Monroe quote "if you can't handle me at my worst then you don't deserve me at my best"

^This belief is Installed furthermore because of black simps (which are worst than betas in every way besides being cucks) Black simps feel a black woman attitude is a barrier that keeps undeserving men from obtaining their love. My question is what love. I haven't seen a functional black couple under the age of 40

2. The feeling of strength. Black women don't pride their femininity but rather their "strength". The reason for so much violence and deadbeat fathers in the black community ISN'T because of the men, but rather the women. These women break down the very soul of a man, slap them around, destroy their stuff, and belittles you in front of anybody misfortunate enough to watch. Black women CAN NOT be submissive to a man unless that man doesnt want them AT ALL but for sex (a black chad/tyrone) or if you're at least a midly attractive white man. They want to dominate you, they want to be your queen.

^Growing up in a black school I had NO fear of men or boys, but the black girls scared me to death. Not a physical fear but a fear of being ridiculed in front of the whole school

3.The entitlement. Ok it's common knowledge that back in slavery days up until let's say the 70's that a couple of major and minor inventions were stolen from blacks. With that said, black women feel everything is stolen from them now. From twerking, to braids, to large hips, to big buts, to big tits, to big lips, etc etc. Most black women think with a hive mind that just because they're black then they are the only ones to do and use certain things.

4. Lastly Beyonce. in 2011 beyonce dropped an album that changed the way most women especially black women would think. This album sparked the big SJW feminist movement. She told women to be as independent as possible, to use sex as a weapon, NEVER let a man be your king even if you're his queen. But the biggest thing it taught women was to be selfish.

And that's the biggest problem with black women....They're selfish



I can go on and on and on and on. But those are the biggest problems. I have alot of respect form black women over the age of 50....but most black girls under are vile


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Have black American women always had this shitty attitude or is it a modern development? Probably started around the same time black families were destroyed?

I used to think that they're all fat and unattractive, but when I started getting into black music from the earlier decades of the 20th century up to the 60s, they looked nice, slender and feminine then.

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(06-22-2018 04:38 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  Have black American women always had this shitty attitude or is it a modern development? Probably started around the same time black families were destroyed?

I used to think that they're all fat and unattractive, but when I started getting into black music from the earlier decades of the 20th century up to the 60s, they looked nice, slender and feminine then.

I didn't notice the attitude until 99 and early 2000's.

Growing up there was black girls at school but most of them were chill and normal. It wasn't until i was almost done high school that they started to catch an attitude when before they would laugh.

Like stated elsewhere in the forum...Black America was the first group to feel the full effects of what feminism's end goal is. In the 70's and 80's they were kicking out black fathers out of the home so the mother could collect welfare (I blame this entirely on the American government). But at least back then there was still older family members to keep the kids in check if the dad wasn't around.
It didn't take long for the young men to take on the persona they currently have, reckless aggressive behavior, hive mind group think as well.
They learned how to be women essentially. But bigger and stronger.

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(06-22-2018 05:49 AM)kinjutsu Wrote:  
(06-22-2018 04:38 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  Have black American women always had this shitty attitude or is it a modern development? Probably started around the same time black families were destroyed?

I used to think that they're all fat and unattractive, but when I started getting into black music from the earlier decades of the 20th century up to the 60s, they looked nice, slender and feminine then.

I didn't notice the attitude until 99 and early 2000's.

Growing up there was black girls at school but most of them were chill and normal. It wasn't until i was almost done high school that they started to catch an attitude when before they would laugh.

Like stated elsewhere in the forum...Black America was the first group to feel the full effects of what feminism's end goal is. In the 70's and 80's they were kicking out black fathers out of the home so the mother could collect welfare (I blame this entirely on the American government). But at least back then there was still older family members to keep the kids in check if the dad wasn't around.
It didn't take long for the young men to take on the persona they currently have, reckless aggressive behavior, hive mind group think as well.
They learned how to be women essentially. But bigger and stronger.

I didn't notice the attitude until 99 and early 2000's.

Here's why.

In the 1960s, welfare laws were changed by liberals to favor female-headed households. In order to get welfare, women couldn't have "a man's shoes under the bed."

This had an unintended effect. Women seeking welfare basically threw the fathers of their kids out of the house --- or didn't live with them to begin with.

More than feminism, this is what created the single mother culture we now see in inner cities. This is not specific to African-Americans in the U.S. either. In England, white "chavs" get "council houses" from the state when they get pregnant. In both countries, welfare programs basically pay poor, single women to have kids.

This drastically altered the way women in the cities picked men. Men no longer needed to be providers. So the women chose irresponsible badasses and men who showed them a good time.

(This also had a reverberating effect on the larger white culture in America and African-Americans who live in the 'burbs, but that's not the topic at hand now.)

Personality and intelligence have big-time genetic components. Hypocritical liberals will say these traits are shaped by nature, but then select for them when they go to sperm banks. So for the inner city, this meant different kinds of men were passing along their genetics: Gangstas instead of good guys.

Several generations of this -- plus living in poverty and (yes) the lingering effects of segregation -- caused major dysfunction. This is why you started to notices different attitudes in the 2000s. After a while it changed the culture.

And this is also a major reason why a good amount of African-Americans didn't go the way of impoverished immigrants like Italian-Americans or Irish-Americans. Their women were given incentives not to marry, not to have standard households, and not to even hold jobs.

And not to need their own men. "I don't need a man!" There's your feminism, courtesy of the government. And there's where you're getting that attitude.

The welfare reform of the '60s is a case of good intentions creating bad outcomes. Liberals cannot look beyond their emotions to see the larger negative consequences their actions will bring about.
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Can we change this thread to black American women?

Black girls from Europe, Latin America, Caribbean, African, and Mars do not share the same characteristics! They are sexy and extremely pleasant to be around.

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At the same time lets not be bob ross with this topic either. The sky isnt falling and ALL of the black men arent jumping to white either.


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what's P4FL?

I do agree, it is not all Doom and gloom, but black girls have painted themselves into a corner. Many of us who have options beyond Black American women do not see much benefit in pursuing them exclusively. That funny thing is that now that I'm in Asia, I'm suddenly hot goods with Black American girls.

I probably got a 90% swipe rate on Black girls on tinder and tantan.

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Women are herd animals - whatever went wrong in the last decades, it can all return to a different form of balance, because that strong-independent uppity feminist crap is not natural:

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(06-23-2018 04:07 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  



Women are herd animals - whatever went wrong in the last decades, it can all return to a different form of balance, because that strong-independent uppity feminist crap is not natural:

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Those women were a result of good fathers and mothers who understood that a woman should show proper behavior, respect, and dress herself up well to have a nice future husband.
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(06-22-2018 01:23 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  Black women CAN NOT be submissive to a man unless that man doesnt want them AT ALL but for sex

And that's all they should be used for, I don't understand why some men think it's a good idea to let these psycho "independent women" into their personal lives and actually try to have and LTR with them.

(06-22-2018 01:23 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  4. Lastly Beyonce. in 2011 beyonce dropped an album that changed the way most women especially black women would think. This album sparked the big SJW feminist movement. She told women to be as independent as possible, to use sex as a weapon, NEVER let a man be your king even if you're his queen. But the biggest thing it taught women was to be selfish.

Beyonce seems like a massive bitch that has basically cuckolded Jay-Z. She has one of the worst attitudes I've ever seen as well as her psycho sister that attacked Jay-Z. The fact that Beyonce is the #1 role model for a lot of girls especially in the black community shows why things are so fucked up.
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