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The Alt-Light Take Over of UKIP
I know this has been mentioned on other threads, but I think it's a big enough development to warrant its own. Paul Joseph Watson, Carl Benjamin (Sargon), Mark Meechan (Dankula), and Milo have joined UKIP in an attempt to lead a "soft coup", with the support of current leader Gerard Batten.


My question is whether UKIP'll allow a special override to their 'no former EDL members' rule for Tommy to jump on board. Batten has been interviewed by TR and they appear to get along. Batten is very knowledgeable on Islam. Here's Sargon's take on the affair.





Whatever you think about Sargon, Milo, and PJW, they command enormous and youthful audiences and this has the potential to become enormous, even if it is being done partially for fun. Dankula even had a funny little jab at the inevitable 'shills' accusations that'll come their way. Tricky accent to understand for some I suspect.





The whole thing is triggering an enormous amount of British journalists, as outlined in Sargon's video. It won't go down well with Farage, who said if the party went down an anti-Islam route he'd never return. For what it's worth, I joined on Wednesday night. I also suspect Raheem Kassam will join soon. Sure, they're not alt right or whatever (PJW does talk about demographics though), and not 'hard' enough for some of you here — but it's worth it for memes and to see so many getting triggered by some of these chaps getting on to high brow BBC shows etc. If they can get only 10% of their 18y.o+ British audience to join the party this could be massive. I would guess they could get a hell of a lot more than 10% too.

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RE: The Alt-Light Take Over of UKIP
This is going to be interesting to see, that's for sure.

UKIP is at rock-bottom so this 'soft coup' will either finish it off entirely or breathe new life into it. There's not much downside and a lot of upside, so they might as well go for it. And yes, the memes and triggering will be awesome.

The left is now the establishment, so like any establishment they are vulnerable to being mocked and ridiculed and these fellas have that down to a fine art.

Their old ex-Tory members will be aghast, but the younguns may well get on-board.

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Just arose to me that these guys don't even need the MSM like the BBC anymore. Their youtube channels are more than enough to actually create a significant voting bloc. The problem in the UK is our ridiculous 'first past the post' election system. Proportional Representation like most other Euro countries have would have resulted in UKIP becoming an enormous parliamentary party in 2015. Instead, it got zero MPs if I remember correctly, despite getting 4m votes.

Of course, Labour/Conservatives have no intention (why would they) of ending the endless two-party back and forth between the pair of them.

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I can't watch mainstream news anymore. Used to watch News At Ten every night and Question Time each week but they've both become too unpalatable. I'll watch if these guys get on though.

I've voted for UKIP every chance I've had and will continue to do so, because the 'Blues and the Reds' are now aligned virtually identically as far as I can see on virtually every major issue. Not that it matters one jot who I vote for, cos the Reds always win where I live and that won't change no matter how many 'grooming' gangs are eventually 'uncovered'.

Yes, FPTP makes even significant gains by any third party pitifully insignificant. The only hope I cling to (and the reason I have so far persisted on still voting) is that any growth in a real right-leaning party will hopefully have some influence on the policies of the two main fuckers. Shifting the Overton Window and all that. It's not even that I think of myself as being 'on the right', as far as I know I just think how every man in my neck of the woods used to think just 50 years ago.

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I'm not voting anymore. On a local level, regional elections, I'll go with someone who is good with things like parks and green space. Just everyday stuff. But, when it comes to general elections I'm done with it until something other than the usual lot comes along.

Fun exercise, if this UKIP takeover is actually successful, my dream team would be (this is just me having a laugh, don't take it seriously):

New party leader: Sargon (for now)
Head of Immigration: Tommy Robinson
Head of Media (propaganda): Paul Joseph Watson
Head of Memes (subsidiary of Media): Count Dankula
Head of Publicity: Milo (though he'd probably fuck it up if he did his 'MILO' American shite).

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It can't get any worse for British politics, so why not give it a try. I wish these guys luck.

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British politics is beyond redemption. Demographics have sealed our fate. We have until the mid 2030's to plan for either abandoning the UK or fighting within a Balkanised nation. These three milquetoast and somewhat dishonest Alt-lighter's, two having socialist tendencies, are not going to achieve anything more than a bit of publicity from messing with the corpse of UKIP.
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These characters may have their place, but Tommy is the one with real leadership qualities and an aura about him. He's the guy I would back to the hilt if I were English.

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(06-29-2018 08:38 AM)Teedub Wrote:  



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First past the post is a beautiful system. What other country throws the leader out, publicly, the morning after the election? What greater representation can there be of the notion that a government serves its people?
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You're also a fan of Peter Hitchens Wink

(06-30-2018 01:17 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  First past the post is a beautiful system. What other country throws the leader out, publicly, the morning after the election? What greater representation can there be of the notion that a government serves its people?
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All these e-celebrities could join UKIP. But I don't think it is going to really change it from inside. UKIP is a dead horse. They basically kicked out their radical wing last year. They formed "For Britain" party later. They have become a way too mainstream party. Farage said, two years ago, if UKIP wants to survive, it has to become radical. I simply don't see that happening.

Tommy Robinson is, from my point of view, someone who has qualities of a leader. He can be more popular than Farage. He's coming from a working-class background and that would help to get a lot of voters been betrayed by the Labour. If he forms a party I will join today. Bear in mind that UKIP has a large number of career politicians. Most of its leadership are just cukced Tories in a smaller scale.

I wish them well. But I don't think they are going to boom again.

P.S. This post could be posted under British Politics threads https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-60675.html

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Utterly absurd. "Free speech extremists"

Meet the new face of Ukip: The free speech extremists who could make Ukip dangerous again

The MSM are dying, desperate to create controversy everywhere and make boogymen of harmless people like Dankula et al. How about they focus constantly on filthy Pakistani Muslim groomers and Europe's terrible demographic suicide instead of online comedians?

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(06-30-2018 06:03 AM)IronShark Wrote:  All these e-celebrities could join UKIP. But I don't think it is going to really change it from inside. UKIP is a dead horse. They basically kicked out their radical wing last year. They formed "For Britain" party later. They have become a way too mainstream party. Farage said, two years ago, if UKIP wants to survive, it has to become radical. I simply don't see that happening.

Tommy Robinson is, from my point of view, someone who has qualities of a leader. He can be more popular than Farage. He's coming from a working-class background and that would help to get a lot of voters been betrayed by the Labour. If he forms a party I will join today. Bear in mind that UKIP has a large number of career politicians. Most of its leadership are just cukced Tories in a smaller scale.

I wish them well. But I don't think they are going to boom again.

P.S. This post could be posted under British Politics threads https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-60675.html

Disagree: these guys will make UKIP relevant again to a whole new generation, those old tories can fuck off somewhere else if they like. Tommy is in jail right now, but as Lizard said, I hope he joins in. I'd do anything for him and his family for what he's endured for this country. I joined For Britain, went to a couple of meetings in January. It was a mix of old guys, over 60 years old, and the odd young lad who didn't have a clue about politics. I left a month later with a few others from my local branch. It's going nowhere, trust me. As in, it's never even going to get off the ground. It's a basket of incompetence, from the top down. Though, I admire Anne-Marie's outspoken attitude.

I did post in the British Political Thread, but as I said in the opening post, I think this is a big enough development to warrant a thread, especially going forward once they start actually doing things. It's fascinating watching internet subcultures work their way into the mainstream. Roosh can be UKIPs new American diplomat Smile

Unfortunately Lizard, Tommy's convictions make it impossible for him to be leader, at least electorally and publicly. Hence my advocating for Sargon — though Tommy could certainly be a key advisor, even if it was off the record.

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I now understand why Sargon joined; he details all the problems with the horrible link tax in this video.




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(06-30-2018 01:17 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  First past the post is a beautiful system. What other country throws the leader out, publicly, the morning after the election? What greater representation can there be of the notion that a government serves its people?

It's an awful system, that guarantees nothing but the two party duopoly, but I'll debate this with you on another thread.

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I really wanted Raheem Kassam to get the UKIP leadership. He has all the required skills and great presentation together a solid debate performance. The race was fixed to prevent a true right wing conservative from getting it.

Tommy I'm afraid just doesn't have skills required to be an appealing politician. He honest alright and people would appreciate it but he's far too rough round the edges. His limited vocabulary and tortured grammar are massive turn offs to the more educated voters.

Paul Weston is another guy that would make a terrific leader. He has the speaking skills but I have never seen him actually debate anyone. His party before he wound it up to support Ann-Marie Waters had the best manifesto I have ever seen. Pure red-pill gold. Maybe once the SHTF he will revive it as it had no chance in the current PC malaise.
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^ I suspect For Britain will disband fairly soon. And, if these Youtube guys are successful, a lot of the members will rejoin UKIP - hopefully including Paul Weston, who, as you rightly said, would be a fantastic leader of a new right-leaning populist party, which suspect UKIP will become under the influence of PJW, Milo, etc.

I was a member of Liberty GB, Paul Weston gave some fantastic speeches. Raheem is gold too, and has the 'Muslim' attachment which gives him some protection, like Milo with the gay Jew thing.

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(06-30-2018 06:51 AM)Teedub Wrote:  Unfortunately Lizard, Tommy's convictions make it impossible for him to be leader, at least electorally and publicly. Hence my advocating for Sargon — though Tommy could certainly be a key advisor, even if it was off the record.

Just to clarify, I meant criminal convictions, not his convictions as a person.

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My membership card arrived today. Will be attending the annual conference in Birmingham in September. Will happily hang with any other forum members who end up joining/attending.

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Tommy Robinson might join too when he gets out of jail.

While I don't agree with the like of Sargon - he as PM would be much better than anyone out there - not really Alt-Right, but more Alt-Lite, but still a step in the right direction.
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They have a ban on anyone who has been a member of the EDL - so Tommy might not be able to join. Though I'm sure he'll basically be an unofficial member, if not an official one if they grant a special exemption.

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Why are they banning EDL members? I thought EDL was a decent conservative organization, why exclude it?

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It's not just that.

Quote:I am not and have never been a member of the British National Party, National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party.

Basically if it's nationalist or ever said anything bad about Islam or Rapefugees and you were a member, you're out.

It's weak as fuck really.
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