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RE: An FAQ on Modern Game
(07-30-2018 01:19 PM)Rocha Wrote:  One very important factor in modern game is intuition (to spot the yes girls).

No joke here, but thruth is that nobody talks about this.

It is a natural ability, can only be learned through life experience.

There is truth to this. It is called staying in your lane.

Problem is, when guys are starting out learning game, they first need to find their water level to figure out what exactly is their bread and butter type of broad. Establishing a "baseline" so to speak.

If you never push towards the high end, you may never figure out what that level is, determine the level of effort required to pull, and how far you can deviate plus or minus from that line. For example, many guys that have a certain level of looks, social proof, vibe, resources, etc. will not be able to pull many legit ugly/bottom of the barrel women with any level of consistency. They just simply won't believe you as much. Ugly does not exactly mean easy. Conversely plenty women are more pleasant upon approach of men they feel are a good match on initial glance.

You would not know any of these things, (and the location can matter alot), if you never approached all levels of chicks at first.

It can get deeper than just looks. It could be scene dependent too. Some guys get more play at particular concerts than they do at the same night clubs playing the same music. Some guys can munch off their professional circles better than others. Doctors come to mind, but you likely would not want to do that if you were a elementary school teacher.

So until you get the experience you need with the understanding required to make the correct adjustments in real time, it is a good thing to break things apart, compare, and make notes. Where guys fuck up is that they stay in Experimental Mode too long, get discouraged, and get the fatigue you get from blowouts and denials. Learn when to step back, satisfy/kill your thirst, then get back to hunting.

Anyway, if you want to get laid with predictable regularity? Stay in your lane.

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(07-30-2018 05:14 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 05:05 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Girls say it’s your height but really it’s your Bad Game

Dude, let's be realistic here...

I wish it were that easy, that game were a magic pill that allowed any schlub to pick up dimes with ease, just for spitting the right shit and having the right swag.

Realistically, attraction is a complex set of feelings that involves swag, spit, style, and a level of physical chemistry. Some women simply aren't attracted to short guys, just like some men aren't attracted to tall girls. Some women don't like black guys, white guys, Indian guys, whatever, and the same is true for some men. Attraction is way more than just reading a few books and being able to emulate what's in then. Sometimes you can game your way around physical attraction, other times you can't. That's life.

Anyone who claims that any guy can have any woman just by having great game is either selling a book or has never actually tried to pick up a woman in real life.

I sense that you have not traveled much outside the US.

I might be wrong, but...

My man, just a friendly tip, pick up a foreign language and travel a bit abroad. Nothing beats that in terms of making you a cosmopolitan citizen of the world with a broader view of things. You speak like every women likes the same things, while is true that at the end of the day, women are all the same and respond well to the same masculines traits, looks, style, power, money, fame, charisma, strenght (both physical and psicological)...

Not all women are suburban Philadelfia sluts. In other latitudes your tall buddy would pull more from tinder with the suit and tie than with tattoos and the dog.

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(07-30-2018 05:31 PM)Rocha Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 05:14 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 05:05 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Girls say it’s your height but really it’s your Bad Game

Dude, let's be realistic here...

I wish it were that easy, that game were a magic pill that allowed any schlub to pick up dimes with ease, just for spitting the right shit and having the right swag.

Realistically, attraction is a complex set of feelings that involves swag, spit, style, and a level of physical chemistry. Some women simply aren't attracted to short guys, just like some men aren't attracted to tall girls. Some women don't like black guys, white guys, Indian guys, whatever, and the same is true for some men. Attraction is way more than just reading a few books and being able to emulate what's in then. Sometimes you can game your way around physical attraction, other times you can't. That's life.

Anyone who claims that any guy can have any woman just by having great game is either selling a book or has never actually tried to pick up a woman in real life.

I sense that you have not traveled much outside the US.

I might be wrong, but...

My man, just a friendly tip, pick up a foreign language and travel a bit abroad. Nothing beats that in terms of making you a cosmopolitan citizen of the world with a broader view of things. You speak like every women likes the same things, while is true that at the end of the day, women are all the same and respond well to the same masculines traits, looks, style, power, money, fame, charisma, strenght (both physical and psicological)...

Not all women are suburban Philadelfia sluts. In other latitudes your tall buddy would pull more from tinder with the suit and tie than with tattoos and the dog.

That's probably not a bad point. We're both just here in Philadelphia 90% of the time. As it's been stated in this thread, a lot of my opinions are based on my experiences living in an east coast city for over ten years. I'm used to Philly / Jersey girls. I spent a year living in New York, but that's about it. Most of my travel has been for a week at the most.

I would travel more, but law is a profession that is tied to geographic location. If court could be done over Facetime, I'd be overseas more often. This summer I haven't even made it out of the city due to my trial schedule. I'd like to expand my horizons more internationally, it's just been tough.

Moral of the story? Law sucks as a profession.
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(07-30-2018 05:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 05:31 PM)Rocha Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 05:14 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 05:05 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Girls say it’s your height but really it’s your Bad Game

Dude, let's be realistic here...

I wish it were that easy, that game were a magic pill that allowed any schlub to pick up dimes with ease, just for spitting the right shit and having the right swag.

Realistically, attraction is a complex set of feelings that involves swag, spit, style, and a level of physical chemistry. Some women simply aren't attracted to short guys, just like some men aren't attracted to tall girls. Some women don't like black guys, white guys, Indian guys, whatever, and the same is true for some men. Attraction is way more than just reading a few books and being able to emulate what's in then. Sometimes you can game your way around physical attraction, other times you can't. That's life.

Anyone who claims that any guy can have any woman just by having great game is either selling a book or has never actually tried to pick up a woman in real life.

I sense that you have not traveled much outside the US.

I might be wrong, but...

My man, just a friendly tip, pick up a foreign language and travel a bit abroad. Nothing beats that in terms of making you a cosmopolitan citizen of the world with a broader view of things. You speak like every women likes the same things, while is true that at the end of the day, women are all the same and respond well to the same masculines traits, looks, style, power, money, fame, charisma, strenght (both physical and psicological)...

Not all women are suburban Philadelfia sluts. In other latitudes your tall buddy would pull more from tinder with the suit and tie than with tattoos and the dog.

That's probably not a bad point. We're both just here in Philadelphia 90% of the time. As it's been stated in this thread, a lot of my opinions are based on my experiences living in an east coast city for over ten years. I'm used to Philly / Jersey girls. I spent a year living in New York, but that's about it. Most of my travel has been for a week at the most.

I would travel more, but law is a profession that is tied to geographic location. If court could be done over Facetime, I'd be overseas more often. This summer I haven't even made it out of the city due to my trial schedule. I'd like to expand my horizons more internationally, it's just been tough.

Moral of the story? Law sucks as a profession.

You are welcomed in Lisbon. Iberia, British Airways, American Airlines or Finnar at least these do direct flights to here (I believe there is an important Portuguese community over there).

Plenty of international sluts around, both tourists and expats, old world charm, nice wines and seafood, good beaches... Hit me up and lets grab some tattoed, silicone titted and fake blonde sluts ))))) I am not much taller than you, possibly just a bit better looking kakakakakaka

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(07-30-2018 05:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  Moral of the story? Law sucks as a profession.

I'm pursuing a career in P.I. law here on the west coast. What branch of law do you practice?

I ask because maybe you should consider a different branch of law that will provide you with a higher level of income and freedom. No P.I. lawyer likes being called an, 'ambulance chaser' but it beats the grind of a lot other branches of law.

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(07-30-2018 09:14 PM)UniversalMen Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 05:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  Moral of the story? Law sucks as a profession.

I'm pursuing a career in P.I. law here on the west coast. What branch of law do you practice?

I ask because maybe you should consider a different branch of law that will provide you with a higher level of income and freedom. No P.I. lawyer likes being called an, 'ambulance chaser' but it beats the grind of a lot other branches of law.

I do real estate and zoning. It's very niche.

However, I make a bunch of money off PI because I refer it all out. Here in PA you're entitled to a 33% referral fee, no questions asked (Jersey is a bit different). Dollar for dollar, PI for me means doing nothing and collecting a paycheck. I call my buddy, send him the case, and that's the end of it. If it worked economically, that's all I would do. PI referrals are about 1/4 of my income.

All law, if there is litigation, requires you to be there in person. Unless you have a good associate or your practice is entirely referral based.

For the most part, it's not a profession you can generally do from the beach or remotely. Even in PI, someone has to sign up the new clients, attend the discovery hearings, do the investigations, argue the motions, and show up to trial. Insurance carriers aren't just handing away money anymore because someone got stitches -- they fight these cases. They'll take the dumbest cases all the way to trial and then suddenly hand you a check.

You'll make money in law (especially PI), no doubt, but it's a lot of work and drama. Ten years in and I'm mostly over it. Most days I would rather be waiting tables.

You could probably do appellate law remotely, but that's about it. Even still, you have to show up for oral argument, reproduce the record, print out hard copies of the briefs, etc.

Off the top of my head, I can't really think of much law that's remote. Plus, clients like to meet with you in person, see you in a suit, the whole dog and pony show.

Feel free to hit me up if you ever want to discuss. But in my opinion, law is a profession you have to physically show up for. And I'm even considered to be "living the dream" because I have my own shop...

I'm not trying to deter you from law or anything, it's just a very demanding profession where you'll be stuck somewhere geographically. I generally like living in Philadelphia, and I bought at the right time, but I'd rather be sitting on a beach in the Philippines this week. I've had zero vacation this year.

Basically, just understand what you're getting into.
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(07-30-2018 01:19 PM)Rocha Wrote:  One very important factor in modern game is intuition (to spot the yes girls).

No joke here, but thruth is that nobody talks about this.

It is a natural ability, can only be learned through life experience.

This partly true in my experience. A lot of the YES girls are the usual 'red flag' girls with tattoos, smoking etc; open about their sexuality.

The intuition though is knowing from the way looks at you in a very brief time window, agreed.

I approach with the assumption that a girl is a Yes girl, based off the above. The difference is that you figure out within the first few minutes if indeed she is Yes, No or Maybe - the exceptions are the girls who approach you or actively put themselves in your zone or won't stop checking you out.

Game is about getting the Maybes and turning them into Yes. The Maybes are curious about you and the curiosity stems from your vibe/appearance/crew/energy levels/status. Then you flip the switch on them and they are Yes and you are a maybe; they start working for your dick.

Hence literally all theory of game/getting laid in channeling that into an end result.

You identify what is required or missing and tweak in real time during your interaction. You are listening but also running auto-analysis. This is unconscious after a while.

In no particular order, the old school list would be:

- push/pull & emotional rollercoasters

- inside jokes and bubbles of intimacy

- cocky/funny/unapologetic/teasing/banter

- storytelling that's relevant that drops bait on vulnerability and builds comfort and trust. bonus for jokes that are stories with a funny punchline and her emotions are spiked

- knowing when to be aloof to not do PDA and set off her alarms too early (you are also unsure about her)

- frame control and imposing a 'path' towards getting laid that she's not sure about i.e. how and what you present as normal within the confines of your interaction -> she pings off this

- plausible deniability by not discussing sex but just behaving sexy

- projecting an aura of discretion to mitigate any ASD later on (anti slut defense for you newbs)

- controlling her energy and mirroring her when necessary to create comfort

- focusing the conversation on her and fantasies. Sprinkle in some pop-psychology to make it relatable through cold reads/barnum statements

- breaking rapport when you're ahead to keep her on her toes (i.e. not agreeing, being cheeky and challenging) -> your version of shit tests (i.e. you're not sold)

- run compliance tests i.e. make her do small things for you (hold this, pass that, give me a mint etc.)

- bounce her around -> psychological hack of making her feel like shes spent more time with you than in reality

- nonverbals: eye contact/body language/vocal tonality/invading personal space/dancing/any form of touching past 'friendly touching'


Yes girls are just you letting her game you and fitting into her fantasy. Occasionally, girls approach me outright and tell me I am hot or sexy. Generally, at a bar/smoking area when they've drunk a little. Girls who are checking me out (inviting) or perimetering me (inviting) are also Yes girls.

'Maybe' girls require a bit of the above (list), going back and forth and tampering with her emotional state (remember buying temperature?). Regardless, assume them to be Yes too and depending, you tone your game down.

Not all of the above is required but it's a general overview (missing a few points here and there).

The hotter/higher status you are, the less game you need and more yes/no (girl game) where you are in control of the checkpoints to getting laid -> assuming she takes initiative and it's obvious -> signal based hence we learn game TO READ WOMEN.

That's my take on an FAQ. This is the wheel and no need for it to be reinvented.

None of the OP matters in my opinion because it's so subjective.

Looks? Are you in Marbella, Monaco or Bangkok? Relative.

Money? Refer to the above.

Style? Refer to the above.

Best time? Are you at a club? bar? gym? bus stop? elevator? coffee shop? happy hour?

All of these external aspects matter, to a lowest extent than game. They allow access to certain pools of women and allow options but they don't dictate whether you can bang or not. It's never binary.

A lot of banging is situational; timing + luck. Having good game is about identifying the opportunities and being confident enough to follow through when that little voice in your head is telling you that it's a stupid idea.

It's not.

There is a difference between posting what others want to hear and what is actually the truth concerning game.

An FAQ, in my humble opinion, is pointless because the guys who are learning rarely ask the correct questions. Only the ones to soothe their insecurities.

Plenty of data on this forum.

Out of the topics in OP's post, style and looks are subjective, cannot be answered.

Money is subjective to a point but refer to Gringuito and Hooligan Harry's posts on this.

Social circle, refer to Distant Light, Christian McQueen.

re: game itself!

Game theory, refer to WIA, soup, XXL, jariel, kaotic.

Approaching, refer to Giovonny and players lounge.

Captivating a woman's mind, refer to Nomad77 and reaper23 (they wrote some crazy shit about this)

Sharing your vibe and expressing masculinity, refer to LINUX, Fisto, AnonymousBosch and a few others.

Psychology, refer to birthday cat (jariel & WIA for your own frame towards treating women)

Relationships, refer to Laner, CleanSlate, Strikeback, etc.

I am sure you can find authorities on body language, sexual deviance, macros of baller lifestyle to set an automated pipeline of women, tinder (sourcecode) etc.

There are plenty more players who have contributed (Courage Reborn, Dantes, Excelsior, Irish) through datasheets, travel logs and other gems where you can pick up tons of knowledge if you know what you're looking for.
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(07-30-2018 05:14 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 05:05 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Girls say it’s your height but really it’s your Bad Game

Dude, let's be realistic here...

I wish it were that easy, that game were a magic pill that allowed any schlub to pick up dimes with ease, just for spitting the right shit and having the right swag.

Realistically, attraction is a complex set of feelings that involves swag, spit, style, and a level of physical chemistry. Some women simply aren't attracted to short guys, just like some men aren't attracted to tall girls. Some women don't like black guys, white guys, Indian guys, whatever, and the same is true for some men. Attraction is way more than just reading a few books and being able to emulate what's in them. Sometimes you can game your way around physical attraction, other times you can't. That's life.

Anyone who claims that any guy can have any woman just by having great game is either selling a book or has never actually tried to pick up a woman in real life.

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No one claimed that game was the be all end all of getting the women you want. No one here is talking about using game to get dimes when you have little value yourself.

Game helps you punch above your weight, or in the case of being in America , punch AT your weight. Without game, a dude who is a 7 is probably getting chicks at least 1 or 2 points below his own value.


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(07-30-2018 05:14 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 05:05 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Girls say it’s your height but really it’s your Bad Game

Dude, let's be realistic here...

I wish it were that easy, that game were a magic pill that allowed any schlub to pick up dimes with ease, just for spitting the right shit and having the right swag.

Realistically, attraction is a complex set of feelings that involves swag, spit, style, and a level of physical chemistry. Some women simply aren't attracted to short guys, just like some men aren't attracted to tall girls. Some women don't like black guys, white guys, Indian guys, whatever, and the same is true for some men. Attraction is way more than just reading a few books and being able to emulate what's in them. Sometimes you can game your way around physical attraction, other times you can't. That's life.

Anyone who claims that any guy can have any woman just by having great game is either selling a book or has never actually tried to pick up a woman in real life.

100% Correct.

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There is a lot of Game Denial in this thread.

Just because you don’t know how to run Game doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

Girls say they have a type all the time.

They don’t like Black guys or short guys or bald guys or whatever.

But they still sleep with those guys. Over and over.

If you hit social frame, emotionally stimulate her and arouse her, then get any mental and logistical hangups out the way, she’ll sleep with you.

The issue is you all aren’t actually running Game, so when a girl turns you down, it’s like “oh it’s cause of xyz”

But really it’s cause you need to work on your Game.

Hank, you’ve never bagged a girl that was like “oh you’re not really my type”?

The thing here is that you all have to Get Good.

But a lot of you are invested in the idea of failing and shrugging it off as something you can’t fix. “Oh it’s just cause she doesn’t like short guys so there was nothing I could do”

Such a wack mindset. You could get better with some work. Like post a few reports where you got blown out “cause of height” and I’ll show you how you actually got blown out cause you missed a Key.

Keep saying there are factors out of your control though when really it’s cause your Game is trash.
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No one is "denying" game.

It's just not as simple as you're making it out to be.

The way you're couching it is like "just wear a polo shirt and better fitting clothes and you'll get girls." "Just get a big dog, some tats, and grow to be 6'3" (heh).

Attraction is more complex than that. It takes a lot of different skills, including game, to make it all work.

Game isn't the end all be all to attraction. Neither are tats, big dogs, height, a black belt, or a truck. Attraction is a complex subject. I wish it were more simple, but it's not.
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I like Hank.

He's a good writer and he seems real. He expresses his frustrations in a very honest way and I cannot hate on that. I dunno why but your posts speak to me Gay Laugh

Keep it up, man. Seriously.
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BC and HM are both right.

But I have to go more with BC. Game is 75% mental.

Also about this being tall automatically gets pussy is nonsense. I have seen so many awkward tall dudes and their height works against them. Average height is best. 5'8" to 5'10".
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(07-31-2018 08:21 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  ...Like post a few reports where you got blown out “cause of height” and I’ll show you how you actually got blown out cause you missed a Key.

@Hank -- actually the above would be enlightening for this thread: can you break down one of the height rejections and let @Black Ceas find some missing keys?

I've seen where you describe a great date, almost in bed, and then she pops out the height thing.

But maybe you can elaborate on some of the content / conversations / seduction leading up to that point?

Then we can turn this disagreement into a good breakdown and get some collabo here. What if he points out something you/others truly hadn't considered?
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(07-31-2018 09:47 AM)456 Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 08:21 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  ...Like post a few reports where you got blown out “cause of height” and I’ll show you how you actually got blown out cause you missed a Key.

@Hank -- actually the above would be enlightening for this thread: can you break down one of the height rejections and let @Black Ceas find some missing keys?

I've seen where you describe a great date, almost in bed, and then she pops out the height thing.

But maybe you can elaborate on some of the content / conversations / seduction leading up to that point?

Then we can turn this disagreement into a good breakdown and get some collabo here. What if he points out something you/others truly hadn't considered?

I'll go off the last one because it's fresh in my head...

I met her on Bumble. We do the message thing. Meet at a spot near her house. Things seem to be going well so I try and get her back to her place. She's kind of "meh." Not sure how things are going but she texts me that night along the lines of "Sorry, wasn't feeling good, wanted to hang out longer..." Whatever.

I text her back along the lines of "let's go on a real date this week." The next week I take her somewhere nice -- steak, dinner, wine, all the good stuff. Seems to go well but still no play. A little bit of making out but nothing serious.

Third date is the usual - near my house, with my friends (mostly women). Holding hands, making out, kissing in public, you'd think she was my girlfriend.

I initiate the "I'm tired, let's go back to my place." We get back there, get totally naked, and I'm thinking we're good. I go for it, and (in bed, mind you) she's like "I really like you, but I just can't get over the short thing. I usually date taller guys. But you're fun and funny, and I really wanted to give this a try. I want to be into it, but it's just not happening."

That was kind of a bummer.
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(07-30-2018 04:59 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 11:40 AM)Mess O. Wrote:  I'll have to admit that this is the 1st time I've ever heard of the 'big dog' prerequisite.

It's sort of an inside joke that now I just like to piss everyone off with.

Here's the background...

A few year ago I did pretty well on OkCupid. It's more message centric. Kyle Trouble's book was pretty helpful (Cracking OkCupid).

After a breakup, apparently OkC is all tumbleweeds and now everyone is on Tinder / Bumble. I got almost nothing off Tinder (still true). I posted a thread about whether OKC is dead, and whether now it's all swipe apps.

I asked my buddy (who is like 6'5 with tattoos) how he gets so much poon on Tinder, and his response was "put a picture of yourself on there with a big dog and show off your tattoos." (I don't have tats or a dog -- I look like Joe Philly Suburbs).

My buddy works in finance, and on any given day wears a suit and tie. Drives a BMW, dresses super sharply, yadda yadda. He put a picture of himself on there in dress clothes and got nothing. Then he switched it up to a picture of himself in a tight t-shirt, tattoos, and his giant dog. Lo and behold, he was awash in poon. My man now dominates Tinder. It's incredible.

Is this a thing? I don't know.

I wrote a post about it (I don't remember if it was a thread or just a post). Now it's sort of an inside joke that I try and reference in all my threads, because it pisses Rocha off...

So, what have we learned? The secret to Tinder women is tats, height, and a big dog.

I've got to ask, isn't Tinder an equalizer for short guys? Other online dating platforms require you to enter a height, and in person it's visually obvious. You can easily conceal your height on Tinder with your choice in pictures. Hell, take a picture with a shorter guy and now you're the "tall guy".
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(07-31-2018 10:27 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  I initiate the "I'm tired, let's go back to my place." We get back there, get totally naked, and I'm thinking we're good. I go for it, and (in bed, mind you) she's like "I really like you, but I just can't get over the short thing. I usually date taller guys. But you're fun and funny, and I really wanted to give this a try. I want to be into it, but it's just not happening."

That was kind of a bummer.

Why did she drag it out so much if she knew she wouldn't fuck you all along? Man, that kind of shit drives me up the wall.
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Heres the thing though, I think we've all been blown out in bed naked with a girl at least once right? How many times has the reason been bullshit and not related to height by both her indication and the reality of the situation. "Its too soon", "i cant I'm on my period" "i'm not ready yet sorry". It's all an excuse because she can't understand her own feelings or she doesn't want to speak it aloud - your game was off. That's always the reason, with very very few exceptions and I'm not buying height as the reason, maybe initial attraction but not that far into the interaction.

My spidy senses are telling me, hank; your insecurity about your height both created an easy out for the girl and did some pussy desiccation. It's plain as day that it's relevant in your head when posting and gaming, it seems very likely its rubbing off on your game. Is there any reason why this would be impossible Mr Moody? Do you think tom cruise worries about getting rejected for his height?

You seem very rigid in your beliefs and formulas which as a man who respects those things I commend you. But, you might be limiting yourself with those things as it's been pointed out before. Just something to reflect on if you haven't already.
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^ Nah, it is because of his height. It sounds like this girl was really bothered by it and no amount of game would've worked. Sorry if that sounds blackpill or whatnot, but this is one of those cases.

And Tom Cruise is an awful example. He's got fame and status; height is irrelevant.
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Sorry dude but with all the respect in the world I gotta call you on that cognitive dissonance.

[Its not because of his height. Tom cruise (similar height) doesn't matter.] -> Which is it? Money, fame, and status are always relevant to game, just because it isn't attainable at that level doesn't mean it's not relevant. If height was the hard limiter that's its being portrayed tom cruise would have been rejected by that same girl for that same reason. Can you honestly say that would have happened?
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(07-31-2018 11:17 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  ^ Nah, it is because of his height. It sounds like this girl was really bothered by it and no amount of game would've worked. Sorry if that sounds blackpill or whatnot, but this is one of those cases.

And Tom Cruise is an awful example. He's got fame and status; height is irrelevant.

It was bad game. If the chick was naked with him, the height wasn't a problem.
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I think that's a risk of the three date thing -- you're auditioning as a boyfriend, and she's rationalizing how cool / nice / fun you are while suppressing any kind of physical judgements until it's too late. Maybe she "wanted to want" to fuck you. That's not what we want though.

Something tells me, when @Hank fucks a stripper, he's not wining and dining as much?

Also, say, on date 1, what is the rapport like? Are you getting sexual when chopping it up with her? Or are you just dropping the "my life is fun and fancy free, follow me" vibes?

Most girls want a cool friend, some think they are supposed to want a Mom-worthy boyfriend...

Maybe sexualize quicker or get to the point of a rejection much sooner to avoid wasted time.

I don't know -- I've converted Maybe girls, I get out ahead of it once I feel they are on the fence, I get bolder and try things out, and many times it ends up in my favor. If not, then far less time wasted.
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So let me get this straight.

You run 3-date Provider Game on a chick, she's kinda feeling "meh" about it, then get her in bed, and she gives you a variant of "yeah not feeling it" and you think it's cause of height?

Yeah that's what she said, but I thought it was common knowledge here not to listen to what a girl is saying specifically?

Nah, what she meant was

"I'm not feeling it right now with a guy that would be better off as a cash cow" - i.e. social frame key, it's not socially acceptable to fuck this guy when Providers are supposed to wait for sex and you're not really supposed to give it up to them

and

"I'm not feeling aroused and attracted to you in this moment, and the one logical thing to let you down is you're short so let's run with that" - i.e. arousal key, she's not feeling the sexual vibe in the moment, she's not horny and you're not doing anything to fix that

and

"I'm getting a bit of ASD so let me find a way to get out of this because I don't want to feel judged" i.e. another social frame key

and

"I haven't been feeling emotionally stimulated during this whole dating process and yeah I wanted to fuck but it could at least be a fun experience and that's not what is going on here" - i.e. emotional stimulation key, where she is feeling "meh" during the whole process

Basically you got friendzoned, and yeah she said it was your height cause that was an easy way to let you down, but if you had hit the keys during the dating process then you would have been in there cause she would have in the moment decided "this guy is stimulating, and I'm horny cause he is turning me on, and I know he won't judge me or there won't be social fall out from fucking him so yeah let's smash."

So yeah. Fix this with some Game. Get Good.

If you're dead set on running three-date stuff from online (horrible way to start out learning by the way), at least learn some verbals or other stuff so you know how to emotionally stimulate, arouse her and get around any social frame issues she may have (mostly that she feels she will be judged by you or others).

Can give you some examples of how this works if it makes things clearer.

(07-31-2018 10:57 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 10:27 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  I initiate the "I'm tired, let's go back to my place." We get back there, get totally naked, and I'm thinking we're good. I go for it, and (in bed, mind you) she's like "I really like you, but I just can't get over the short thing. I usually date taller guys. But you're fun and funny, and I really wanted to give this a try. I want to be into it, but it's just not happening."

That was kind of a bummer.

Why did she drag it out so much if she knew she wouldn't fuck you all along? Man, that kind of shit drives me up the wall.

Because girls don't make decisions ahead of time like this. She probably wanted to fuck him (hence she ends up naked in his bed), but his Game was trash. She couldn't get around the mental hangups on her own, and he didn't know how to get around them WITH her, so it blew up at the last minute.


Also why running three-date Game is actually a veteran move cause you gotta know how you are hitting each Key at each date, and whether you are actually moving things forward or if you're just making more room to fuck up and loose it all.
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Hank's threads are some of the most divisive on the forum. This is not meant as a personal criticism of Hank. In fact, I find his posts entertaining and he comes across as a good dude.

Some of my observations:

Hank has developed a certain niche with Tinder/Bar sluts in Philly. His approach works for him to a certain extent, but only within the context of this city and what he brings to the table. His posts should not be generalized for everyone. He takes a lot of heat because this is how he presents his writing (e.g. On...)

Experienced players see the limitations of the Game Hank espouses and they offer their justified critiques (see Clint Barton's response).

Hank's posts are couched as in Game advice. However, while professionally successful and bright, Hank's experiences are limited. He would be better served stepping outside his element and dating women from different cultural backgrounds and geographic areas. I think he will find that he will be appreciated for the intelligent, successful professional that he is and experience less rejection by the vapid Philadelphia sluts that he seeks to impress.

Sometimes we just need to get out our comfort zone, often we will find that it wasn't so comfortable after all.

Hank has a way with words and for Newbies, they think they have discovered the reincarnation of Mystery. For those Newbies, I suggest reading the Game archives from 2012-2014.

Please don't go out to the tanning salon and buy a Ralph Lauren Polo shirt because you just don't know what else to wear. This look went out with the Frat boy, beer pong era in 1995.
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