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(04-19-2019 11:09 PM)flanders Wrote:  Jeff Cavaliere might be worth listening to but a guy with abs can sell literally anything fitness related. Since he doesnt seem to compete as an athlete for anything anywhere I'd take his advice with a grain of salt.

So because he looks good with his shirt off and doesn't get up on a stage you shouldn't listen to him? Sounds like some backward ass logic. Cavaliere is generally regarded as the authority on smart/healthy resistance training and has a beefy resume of PT'ing professional athletes.

I personally would sooner follow his advice than some fat has-been powerlifter who set geared records 10+ years ago while cycling stacks of PEDs.

Not saying their aren't other guys out there who are offering awesome information on fitness training, but there are also a lot of other guys out there who warrant a lot of criticism for their advice and/or methodology. I really don't think Jeff is one of those guys.
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Marked this thread. Great content! Looking forward to watching JC’s videos.
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(04-21-2019 03:01 PM)trickster Wrote:  Marked this thread. Great content! Looking forward to watching JC’s videos.

Glad to hear you're enjoying the thread, so far. I've been injured the past few months but I'm feeling confident about returning to the gym this week and will begin putting up new content from Jeff's channel, and of course, my personal workouts.

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First fitness channel I subscribed to and still the one I get most of the advice I find usable in my workout regimen.
Probably helps that that he's my age, is unlikely to be on gear (and probably not even TRT yet, I know he even has a video denying that, but obviously there are lots of roid monsters on YouTube claiming to be naturals so I don't necessarily jump to take anyone on their word) and has a strong background in physical therapy and lots of videos about and focus on handling injuries and using proper form (has become increasingly important since my late 30s with shoulders and elbows that can't take what they used to).

He might be skimping on handling out full training or diet programs for free as some have said, but I'm not looking for that kind of info. I've been putting together my own workouts - but regularly trying out or changing some exercises based on advice - since I first set foot in a gym 27 years ago and I'm unlikely to ever change that.

Only other fitness channel I regularly watch is VitruvianPhysique (he tends to post long videos less frequently) plus more rarely a few others like Omarlsuf and Buff Dudes (mostly for their joke videos).
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(04-24-2019 07:47 PM)MikeS Wrote:  First fitness channel I subscribed to... has a strong background in physical therapy and lots of videos about and focus on handling injuries and using proper form (has become increasingly important since my late 30s with shoulders and elbows that can't take what they used to).

Also the first fitness channel I subscribed to. Can't argue the science and he's thorough in his explanations. Love how each of his videos is short enough that I don't get bored, and the way he and Jesse say/do some hilarious shit. Secondly, I'm in the same boat as well, with regard to age. I went into the gym today (first time in months; injury), worked out for less than an hour and by the end of my regimen I nearly passed out. Didn't realize the brief hiatus from the gym would affect me so severely and I did not lift so heavy, either.

(04-24-2019 07:47 PM)MikeS Wrote:  Only other fitness channel I regularly watch is VitruvianPhysique (he tends to post long videos less frequently) plus more rarely a few others like Omarlsuf and Buff Dudes (mostly for their joke videos).

I'm a fan of Vitruvian Physique (I believe I posted one of his videos recently) and Buff Dudes are hilarious. Do you know the Hodge Twins? They're also hilarious-Love how they sit in their car, eat fast food and explain their foodie experience.

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All right, fellow gym rats, listen up! It's been a while since I posted anything relevant to the thread but I finally attended gym "class" this morning and I got one word for it... BRUTAL.

I lifted for less than an hour and when I was finally done the fatigue hit me like a 20-foot wave. I nearly passed out from my lightweight regimen, granted, I have been out for some time, lost considerable muscle mass during that time and did a full body workout. I was on-the-brink of spilling my guts onto the gym floor on the way out, and I am glad I did not. Didn't want the hot babe who was eyeballing me from afar to think I couldn't handle a few barbell chest presses.

But enough about my disappointment. Here is today's full-body regimen:

8 a.m. -

10 minute warm-up on the treadmill: Speed 3 mph; incline set to 5 (Life Fitness machine)

5 minute warm-up stretch: various stretches; mostly jiu-jitsu oriented.

I always begin my full-body lifts with chest:

Dumbell Chest presses: 4 sets of 8-12 reps; incremental (5lb.) weight increases starting with 35 lbs- End at 50 lbs. with 45 sec. rest between sets.

Straight-Leg Deadlift: 4 sets of 5-8 reps; incremental (10 lb.) weight increases starting with 25 lbs- End at 45 lbs. with 45 sec. rest between sets.

Pull-up bar *Body weight*: 4 sets of 5-8 reps; 35 sec. rest between sets.

Seated-Incline chest press: 4 sets of 5-8 reps; incremental (10 lb.) weight increases starting with 25 lbs- End at 45 lbs. 45 sec. rest between sets.

Leg press *machine*: 4 sets of 6-10 reps; Starting weight 70 lbs- End at 170 lbs. [i]35 sec. rest[/] between sets.

Well, there you have it. All of that nearly caused me to lose my eggos.

Today's video by Jeff is another stunner! Focusing on chest and I have to say this is, by far, one of the best chest regimens I found. Jeff also has Oakland Raider's Antonio Brown featured in this video. Enjoy!




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^ im a total noob but isnt doing the first few sets at a low weight essentially a waste of a set? I don't think you need to load up the sets like that. But i do wait longer between sets so maybe that's it. I also recall a video on youtube by someone (maybe athlean) saying get every set close to failure and dont worry about hitting the number of reps exactly.

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The general idea for developing more size to your muscles is that you want to provoke a hypertrophic response. The way to do that is to adequately fatigue the muscle so the fibers breakdown and rebuild bigger and stronger. This is why hitting a certain number isn't always important but simply generating adequate breakdown of the muscle. This is also why when doing body-building type work out you don't want to sait super long in between sets. You want to burn the muscles out. This is why bodybuilders will hit the exact same muscle or muscle groups in a series of like 3-5 different movements to really break it down.
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(04-30-2019 08:45 AM)Beirut Wrote:  ^ im a total noob but isnt doing the first few sets at a low weight essentially a waste of a set? I don't think you need to load up the sets like that.

Thanks for the reply Beirut! You need to understand that I finally came back to the gym after months of recovering from a shoulder injury. So, right now, my workout regimens are easing me back in the right direction. I will not be lifting heavy as I used too until my muscles are ready for such stress.

(04-30-2019 03:23 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  The general idea for developing more size to your muscles is that you want to provoke a hypertrophic response. The way to do that is to adequately fatigue the muscle so the fibers breakdown and rebuild bigger and stronger. This is why hitting a certain number isn't always important but simply generating adequate breakdown of the muscle. This is also why when doing body-building type work out you don't want to sait super long in between sets. You want to burn the muscles out. This is why bodybuilders will hit the exact same muscle or muscle groups in a series of like 3-5 different movements to really break it down.

As I progress, I will utilize this type of training. I haven't done workouts that push my muscles to fatigue in some time. I'll have to go about it carefully. Thanks for the advice.

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(04-30-2019 08:45 AM)Beirut Wrote:  ^ im a total noob but isnt doing the first few sets at a low weight essentially a waste of a set? I don't think you need to load up the sets like that. But i do wait longer between sets so maybe that's it. I also recall a video on youtube by someone (maybe athlean) saying get every set close to failure and dont worry about hitting the number of reps exactly.

Wait until you're over 40 and your joints are screaming for you to make two-thirds of your sets warm-up sets.

But even when I was much younger and less injury prone, progressive load through the sets always felt right to me, even if I did go for a higher number of heavy sets than I do now.
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(05-06-2019 05:19 PM)MikeS Wrote:  
(04-30-2019 08:45 AM)Beirut Wrote:  ^ im a total noob but isnt doing the first few sets at a low weight essentially a waste of a set? I don't think you need to load up the sets like that. But i do wait longer between sets so maybe that's it. I also recall a video on youtube by someone (maybe athlean) saying get every set close to failure and dont worry about hitting the number of reps exactly.

Wait until you're over 40 and your joints are screaming for you to make two-thirds of your sets warm-up sets.

But even when I was much younger and less injury prone, progressive load through the sets always felt right to me, even if I did go for a higher number of heavy sets than I do now.

I'm over 40 and I'm a natty ectomorph. I've found I get my best gains from lifting lighter weights very slowly. Massive burn, and much harder than lifting heavy at a normal pace IMO. Everyone is different though.

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"4 Reasons Why AthleanX’s Angles, Science and Overthinking Are Basically Pointless (take the rational pill)"

http://nattyornot.com/4-reasons-why-athl...onal-pill/

Thoughts?

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(07-06-2019 12:50 PM)bucky Wrote:  http://nattyornot.com/4-reasons-why-athl...onal-pill/

Thoughts?

Obviously, I am not going to speak against Natty for their opinion on Cavaliere's prowess with bodybuilding. It was certainly an interesting article to read.

The reason I chose to follow Cavaliere's advice is because of his expertise in the field of physical therapy, and that I'm a big advocate on everything science. IMO, he knows how the human body works and operates, he's very clear in explaining each muscle group and what you need to do to get the best gains using a proper diet.

Lastly, Natty is certainly not a fan of Cavaliere and the comments section was abundant with those of similar opinion, albeit, more vindictive. I think we each have to try various sources of advice, routines, and personal experience, to reach the level of fitness we want to create the physique we desire.

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That's a very black and white analysis, probably made by someone who hasn't been lifting for very long.
If you are not too stupid you will find what works for you quickly.
And if you are not too stupid you will understand that the physiques being sold to you (including jeff's) are not natural.

So what is left really ?
Just training, and for a very long time.

Now to be able to do this you need to train smart, in order not to hurt yourself.
This is where what jeff says has added value.
Disclaimer I don't follow his channel, but when some problem comes I often check to see if he has something interesting to say about it, and it's usually the case, so that's great.

Anyway, angles matter, not for optimizing training but to avoid injuries.
Training according to your morphology is important.
Delavier/Gundill wrote interesting things on the subject, it's rather basic but I'm always impressed at how many people don't get this stuff.

Oh and the bike analogy is plain stupid.
I ride in the mountains on a mid-level fully.
Buying a pro-level bike would not help, like everything there is a point of diminishing returns along the quality/price curve.
And compared to what we had 20 years ago even entry-level bikes are absolutely fantastic.

Too black and white really, it reads like the guy is just not over the doping red pill.
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How about a diet? While the training program is Jeff Cavaliere. It would be nice to get reliable information about this. Should I use a vegetable diet? For example, I read about it in the Verv blog. Goin hard with this question. Thank you in advance.
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(08-09-2019 03:26 AM)Purina Megel Wrote:  How about a diet? While the training program is Jeff Cavaliere. It would be nice to get reliable information about this. Should I use a vegetable diet? For example, I read about it in the Verv blog. Goin hard with this question. Thank you in advance.

I've come to believe that either a mostly meat-based or mostly plant-based diet can be healthy. I made some of my best gains a few years ago when I was 99% vegan, for example. I think the main thing is to only eat food that your great grandparents would recognize as food, except maybe protein shakes. Even better if you can count calories and macros (as I was doing back then) but that's a huge pain.

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^Interesting comment about grandparents.

There are firms that advise which type of diet individuals should use based on a DNA sample.

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(08-10-2019 12:06 AM)N°6 Wrote:  ^Interesting comment about grandparents.

There are firms that advise which type of diet individuals should use based on a DNA sample.

I could see that being legitimate too. Types of food likely affect people with different genetics differently. Although the point about eating things that your great grandparents would recognize was more that you shouldn't eat highly processed food with lots of sugar and artificial ingredients like chips, donuts, pretezels, etc. Even if they technically did exist 100 years ago, they probably weren't very common.

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(08-09-2019 03:26 AM)Purina Megel Wrote:  How about a diet? While the training program is Jeff Cavaliere. It would be nice to get reliable information about this. Should I use a vegetable diet? For example, I read about it in the Verv blog. Goin hard with this question. Thank you in advance.

Unfortunately, I can't recall a specific video of Cavaliere's where he explains if your diet should be a meat or vegetable diet but below I've put up a video of his that's a few years old but is still relevant in terms of a diet he recommends. Keep in mind he's also got a degree in nutrition, so, the advice he gives his audience isn't based on 'bro science' but real science.





Hopefully, this will give you some idea of what kind of diet you maybe wish to follow.

Here's a little known fact that I learned from General Stalin about Cavaliere:

"Dude allegedly sticks to his diet strict 24/7/364 (he eats carrot cake on his birthday every year)."

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