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RE: How many high-SMV men are actually players?
(08-16-2018 05:18 PM)cosworth Wrote:  Mens biological imperative is unlimited access to unlimited sexuality, its social constructs that put them in relationships.
Probably only the very top 2% of men can achieve the true player lifestyle...

Not everyone acts out on purely biological instincts (or want to) however. After having bagged 300+ chicks (or less) ONS gets pretty boring (unless there's literally zero effort involved - like with call girls). Some people strive for meaning, whether that be changing your environment politically, or raising mentally healthy children. No true player who has lived that lifestyle for a long time would say it gives him much pleasure or happiness. Same as doing cocaine every day isn't that enjoyable in the long run either.

Even Justin Bieber is getting married now.
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RE: How many high-SMV men are actually players?
Because most people realise there's no value in being a "player" past the age of 25.
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(08-03-2018 09:38 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I really thought about this thread and I think I know why some men turn into lifelong players or throw away the marriage life for good. It takes a certain kind of an ego and pride to really make this happen and that is what it comes down to. Majority of the guys chasing this life, whether they like to admit it or not, are chasing it for the validation that comes from this very life. Being a player is dangerous yet even in this feminized society we secretly look up to men who get laid a lot.

When this ego is bruised at some point in life, instead of taking the hit and just shaking it off, it seeks redemption and wants to get even. It doesn't even have to apply to women either, it can apply to anything from success in athletics to success in business. Some guys naturally have this sort of an ego that once it is bruised or hurt, they have this desire to seek redemption.

While some say it is because a girl broke his heart, I think it can be other social setbacks too such as not fitting in with the cool kids in your developmental years.

It is rare for a guy who was high SMV early in life to be a player for so long because the chip on his shoulder is not there. The need to go out often, approach lots of girls, set up a nice dating profile and make lifestyle sacrifices to fuck lots of hot women is just not worth it.

For me, that is the reason I have put in effort into this lifestyle because I almost committed suicide due to the social depression I was going through in college. My high school and college years were arguably the worst years of my life which is why when anyone hypes them up so much, it tends to hit a nerve.

I'll never experience being 16 and sneaking into a girl's house with her as her parents are gone and fucking, the adrenaline rush that would come from it.

I'll never experience fucking a hot high school teacher when I am a high school student and hoping we don't get caught.

I'll never experience fucking an 18 year old hot college girl when I am 18 as well going through the same things in life.

It bites at me at times but at the same time, I seek this lifestyle as a band-aid in a way. Even if I am 35 and fucking randoms who aren't nearly as hot as the ones some 20 year old dude high SMV dude would be fucking, I am cool with that. I'll even take fucking escorts (in places where it is legal) over marriage and kids because for a guy like me, marriage is giving up and losing.

I am fucked up right? Well, I admit it, most guys who are fucked up won't....

They'll try to bash the game and take a blue pill approach to life.

They'll join MGTOW type movements while looking for sympathy on a game forum.

They'll talk about how "there is so much more to life than pussy because women are evil" garbage while deep down, wanting to fucking hot girls but knowing they lack the spine and willpower this lifestyle requires.

Maybe I lack that willpower too and maybe I'll never get there, who the fuck knows but I admit that it was a fucked up childhood and a college experience that almost drove me to suicide which has me chasing this lifestyle. If I have to avoid and skip marriage altogether and a die lonely man, that is the path I will take. That is how bad I want it and I am willing to make the sacrifices for it which is why I have had successes in the past.

I know that I will lose a ton of friends and make a lot of enemies by chasing this life, but I am willing to accept every setback from STDs and even an early death for it.....

You know, a beer is enough, that's the exact reason why I got into game. In high school, I was the nerdy Asian kid who was invisible except for a small social circle of dudes. In college, I was always too much of a pussy to connect with women, let alone talk to them in hopes for a ONS or relationship. I'd just look at women longingly and be terribly envious of the "cool guys" who got laid all the time.

I'm 26 now and I'm hoping - no, striving - to make up for precious lost time.

Here's to us, buddy. I hope we both get what we want: A high notch count and perhaps a LTR here and there.

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RE: How many high-SMV men are actually players?
Not as many as you would think.

For one, you don't need great game to get laid. Often times just having your shit in order and not being ugly will let you bang 5-7 with minimal effort.

Many of the high SMV guys I know got their player days out of the way in their twenties and then found a solid chick to lock down with kids while they built their careers or passions up. Honestly, it seems to be a rare bird that can spend years running hard game while building a truly exceptional life and making tough decisions on the fly.

For every Dan Bilzerian, there seem to be a lot more Zuckerberg, Gates or Buffet type rich dudes.

I don't want to make examples in extremis, so let me step back a moment. If we're talking guys who are in good shape, have decent cash, above average careers and the like, I'd still say the same thing. A lot of dudes are really not cut out for being players in anything other than short periods where they're between LTRs. Few guys need to (or want to) walk this path.

It also seems like the face-types who have high career ambitions have become a lot more saavy when it comes to being caught out by roving thots. Many of them do not have social media beyond what is necessary and are pretty discrete.

I know dudes in China working in upper management in big foreign companies who won't be caught dead in certain parts of SZ for fear of being seen entering some places on camera. Some of these guys do rack up numbers but many of them are pretty low-key and would probably appear boring or underachieving to much of the forum.
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(08-06-2018 03:00 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  If y’all actually went out you would realize how many “high SMV” guys who are good looking, rich, lots of social connects, etc. Etc. Actually have such shit Game they don’t have any idea what to do with everything you all think gives them an edge.

In fact, cause these guys occasionally get easy ass pulls with busted chicks, they often stay right around that level getting layups with chicks that you would pass on.

Plus most true players have some level of discretion and don’t talk the Society with scrubs so you would never hear about what is going on behind the scenes.

I know a brazilian dude in my workplace who I thought was swimming in pussy. The guy settled down with an average girl who used to to be rather flirty with me but I didn't like at all. I believe Bad game can lower your SMV by +2. Good and great game can increase it by +1 Or even +2. Status, looks and money build your base SMV but game will screw it up or improve your results.

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RE: How many high-SMV men are actually players?
I feel like I'm walking backwards through life.
I was a dutiful serial monogamist in my 20s. Then a dutiful faithful husband in my 30s.
When I divorced at 38, it just seemed pointless to continue that strategy.
I'm high SMV in almost every way (except bank account), and now that I'm in my 40s, I feel the pull of the player lifestyle. I lived it fully for about a year, and I'm living it partly right now.
Also, I discovered that in the 7 years I was tied down, my value on the sexual market had actually risen.
Why wouldn't you take advantage of high stock? Wouldn't you sell some of it?
To take FULL advantage of a player life, the way that I would like, requires a bit more cash than I can manage right now. But I'm making plans, working on the career, and the future is bright.
Anyways, long story short, I'm growing into my playerdom. I'm aging INTO it rather than aging OUT OF it.
My two cents.
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RE: How many high-SMV men are actually players?
Most high SMV guys lack something. Usually it’s game. Women natural game is almost as good as most guys trained game so once a girl gets a high SMV guy it’s game over. Most players are the “bad boys” or the “adventurers” the type that would be players without looks, money, or even game.

I say look around, maybe at the people you know, what percentage of that are players. That would be the same percentage out of the low percentage of high SMV guys.
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(08-08-2018 06:58 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Thanks Jordy.

I wanted to come back to this thread to comment some more after listening to the Dan Bilzerian podcast with Joe Rogan.

The reason you don't see the kinds of guys OP has mentioned become players is because the drive isn't there. If a guy was having success with hot girls in high school and was socially popular, I just do not see any reason he would ever want to pursue the player life after his early 20s or even after college. Most guys I knew who were socially popular in those years have had their fun and they don't have the incentive to chase tail.

In order for guys to really pursue a goal so aggressively and with all of their life, there has to have been some pain associated with it.

An example in sports being how Jordan did not make varsity at one point in high school and countless others of celebs who suffered setbacks in life.

Remember reading a while back that Hugh Hefner was a virgin heading into his 20s.

I even listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Dan Bilzerian where he mentioned how he didn't get laid a lot growing up.

For men like that, they are forced to keep going mentally and they can deal with the difficulties of the game because it means that much more to them.

I am finding just how tough the game can get and how it is really all a low percentage hit no matter what you do, which is why guys who have that chip on their shoulder or pain from their past can move past it.

They are forced to get creative and they are willing to do it. They hear the people who laughed at them in the past, the ones who pitied them, the girls who friendzoned them, the cool kids who gave them no attention, the hot girls who acted as if they don't exist and the parties they were not invited to.

These are the kinds of guys who will put in tons of work to create a rockstar online dating profile to get matches, be out until 4 AM chasing women, sacrifice their weekends for pussy, dedicate their lifestyle to chasing tail, get creative with it by creating something women want a part of (Hugh Hefner's playboy) and keep on going after the thousands of rejections and countless obstacles that come up.

No sane guy with a good childhood and awesome youth would ever want to put themselves through any of that.

Why would you?

An LTR is so much more stable than chasing pussy night in and night out.

Even marriage is stable and helps you fit in so much better with society compared to being an outcast player still chasing pussy in his 30s.

The drive, the chip on the shoulder, the pain and the desperate need to make up for the past is not there. When it isn't there, you don't see the reason to take good pics for Tinder, be out till 2 AM gaming women, literally move across cities and countries until you keep getting pussy and play the stressful status games that getting hot girls brings.

You are talking about one segment of players. What about handsome and rich athletes that have had women handed to them their whole life? They still go out and try to fuck as many bitches as they can weekly. What's their motivation? A chip on their should or simply liking women?

Me. I was a average joe maybe a bit nerdy semi jock in high school. I played sports because people said I should because of my height. I wan't s a freak, but being 6'3 in high school you almost get pressured to play a sport if you're even a little bit liked. My parents wanted me to focus on school work. I liked girls but couldn't figure them out.

Then college came and the slog begun. I took a 4 year crash course in women 101. Fortunately for me I went to a school with a decent ratio of women and had one of my older brother's best friends take me under his wing. He was a legit womanizer. Fucked 7 different chicks in 7 days. They were all cute. This was in 1997-01. No fucking apps and barely any internet To do this you had to have a lot of time on your hands which makes college so perfect for learning.

I cold approached when ever the opportunity presented itself all 4 years of undergrad. The most popular dudes in my fraternity(top tier) all had 7.5 or 8 girlfriends, but just one. I had multiple 6s, 7s and the occasional 8. I fucked more than these guys because they didn't have the meddle for cold approaching. I wasn't popular with woman because of my Frat or my sport, I was popular with them because they'd heard I get around.

The point is the spectrum is wide and varied for why guys seek and maintain a player lifestyle. It is not solely because they had unpleasant high school or college years
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RE: How many high-SMV men are actually players?
I have a tough time believing that a guy who had it easy with women in high school and college would want to pursue the player life afterwards, the chip on the shoulder and drive is just not there.

Speaking of this, I am debating posting a new thread on it where I will be attacked since whenever I post a thread I get attacked anyways. But if we can prevent posting a thread and maybe talk it out here, I'd love to get the thoughts of you guys.

What advice would this forum and all of you have for guys who missed out on not only sex and dating but also fun social experiences in their high school and college days?

What can they do with their lives now to not go down the continued path of misery?
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U have time to go to New Orleans and e joy bourbon street for Fat Tuesday (bourbon street isn’t the best location but it will give you that college experience)


Basically just get out and enjoy the night life, take trips to party locations, sleep with women, go crazy.
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RE: How many high-SMV men are actually players?
From everything I've read none (few) players are born for it. If you were you wouldn't really need to find this forum or PUA books.

The guys I know who have done better since they were young were above average looking, of above average status and above average in charm/game. Of these guys I was in school with one is now obese married to a girl above his SMV; the other has fucked about on his very LTR and is now settling with her - she's a 5 and below his SMV; the other pushed the 'roids to the limit and has settled with a below average woman.

These were guys that were naturally gifted and they probably got in the 15-30 bracket just by being themselves. Not much impetus to look into game or self development. The exception would be the last one who hit the gym, but now he's just some fairly average guy.

The only person I know who I suspect is 50+ is my cousin who has put considerable work throughout his life into becoming the rare type of guy who turns heads where he goes due to being very high in multiple categories: style, muscle, frame, game, money... The other guys I mention above, they didn't really turn heads, but were naturally good at getting girls' attention by talking with them.

So for such guys who are naturally relatively high in looks, status and game, they probably slip into 2-5 bangs per year if they choose to. And with the drama that probably comes along with those (with their likely blue pill outlook) they may not be racing to get to 100. That takes a special kind of thirst.
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(03-02-2019 08:08 PM)gework Wrote:  So for such guys who are naturally relatively high in looks, status and game, they probably slip into 2-5 bangs per year if they choose to. And with the drama that probably comes along with those (with their likely blue pill outlook) they may not be racing to get to 100. That takes a special kind of thirst.

For a man, getting 100 notches requires a competitive, goal-oriented mentality.
For a woman, getting 100 notches requires a vagina.
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(03-02-2019 06:38 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  U have time to go to New Orleans and e joy bourbon street for Fat Tuesday (bourbon street isn’t the best location but it will give you that college experience)


Basically just get out and enjoy the night life, take trips to party locations, sleep with women, go crazy.

Its not even the sex and women tbh as much as it is finding your crew and social network. I feel like sex and getting laid is the easy part.
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Simple figure out what things u like and the network.

For example I love working out, and I love cigars/whiskey. I took my work out friends to a cigar lounge. They loved it. Now my cigar friends and my gym friends are friends and we’re planning on doing the same thing with the shooting range and such.

U have to have a cult leader like mindset when you’re older and trying to make friends.
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RE: How many high-SMV men are actually players?
You don't have to fuck a lot of girls to be the man.

You aren't getting laid because you still believe in "game".

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RE: How many high-SMV men are actually players?
My take is that the player lifestyle is chosen by guys who are either

1) Coming out from years of sexual repression/incel and want to make up for lost time

2) Have a really adventurous side to their personalities which makes them ill suited for long term relationships.

Most high SMV guys have usually had hot girlfriends in serial monogamy type situations since they were in their early to mid teens so they don't have the need to "make up for lost time" and are fine with a steady girlfriend.
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My take is most men don't understand women and would rather just be with one hot wife than try to work with multiple girls. Plus some people are genuinely happy in relationships. If their job is nice then coming home to a nagging wife isn't a problem.
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(03-09-2019 01:19 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  My take is most men don't understand women and would rather just be with one hot wife than try to work with multiple girls. Plus some people are genuinely happy in relationships. If their job is nice then coming home to a nagging wife isn't a problem.

This is a bit silly. If a guy doesn't "get" women it means he is low SMV and if he is low SMV he will not be able to get a hot wife/girlfriend.
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Alot of HIGH SMV guys ARE NOT players because they don't have an understanding of women. They are still high SMV therefore they attract high-quality women but they're fine with that one hot wife instead of having a harem.
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Chad with low game awareness gets a hot wife, but not a loyal one.
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