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RE: Heph's daily journey away from 30-something NEETdom
I'll have another 5 videos this time next week.

(01-26-2019 07:09 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  I've been on both sides (NEET and 6 figure earner) and I have to say lately I'm questioning whether NEET-dom is a bad thing.
There are a few things I really want to change in the world, and I see what I am learning now as a step towards that. That's my main impertus for change.

Financially, it'd take a big change in income to significantly affect my life. I've got low-interest student loan debt from two degrees from two different countries and dual repayments will kick in once I exceed a certain income. That and taxes, HI and the like. In the short term being poor is 'cheaper'.

During the crypto boom, the theoretical value of my assets was pretty high, but I didn't sell due to Australian law penalising selling before a year and now it's a fraction of what it was. Confused

That, and I'm generally happy with what I have, so money wouldn't help me much short term.

(01-26-2019 10:12 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  As I see it, NEETdom has these big disadvantages against a 6 figure income:
1.) Lack of social contact. This kills.
2.) Lack of sex/female attention. Also not great for a man.
3.) Lack of self-respect. This makes you miserable.
I'm decent at hiding my poverty and I'm tall and not-ugly, I've have/had girlfriends(not sure, made out today, but didn't go further), but I want someone I can be fully honest with, and I want to be someone who is proud of who he is.

I'm making an effort to stay socially connected, as I believe I make peoples day better and I've learnt from personal experience that isolation is killer. I tell acquaintances I'm coder.

P.S. Love your crypto contributions, I would of saved hundreds of thousands if I listened to your pessimism from 12.5 months ago. I've also started to listen to Japanese audio tapes to make the most of the half an hour each morning I stare at a light box (My current plan is Minimal pairs -> Pimsleur -> Glossika -> Long-haired dictionary Angel )

(01-26-2019 11:00 AM)bortimer Wrote:  Your thread is titled "journey away from 30-something NEETdom," yet it's been nearly 6 months and you are still a NEET? Your self-improvement efforts are just masturbation. Get a job and build some inertia towards actually accomplishing something.
I fell into a bit of a depression for a few months, now I'm back on track. I've tried years to find any kind of work, but thank you for posting.
01-27-2019 05:05 AM
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RE: Heph's daily journey away from 30-something NEETdom
(01-27-2019 05:05 AM)Hephaestus Wrote:  I'll have another 5 videos this time next week.

(01-26-2019 07:09 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  I've been on both sides (NEET and 6 figure earner) and I have to say lately I'm questioning whether NEET-dom is a bad thing.
There are a few things I really want to change in the world, and I see what I am learning now as a step towards that. That's my main impertus for change.

Financially, it'd take a big change in income to significantly affect my life. I've got low-interest student loan debt from two degrees from two different countries and dual repayments will kick in once I exceed a certain income. That and taxes, HI and the like. In the short term being poor is 'cheaper'.

During the crypto boom, the theoretical value of my assets was pretty high, but I didn't sell due to Australian law penalising selling before a year and now it's a fraction of what it was. Confused

That, and I'm generally happy with what I have, so money wouldn't help me much short term.

(01-26-2019 10:12 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  As I see it, NEETdom has these big disadvantages against a 6 figure income:
1.) Lack of social contact. This kills.
2.) Lack of sex/female attention. Also not great for a man.
3.) Lack of self-respect. This makes you miserable.
I'm decent at hiding my poverty and I'm tall and not-ugly, I've have/had girlfriends(not sure, made out today, but didn't go further), but I want someone I can be fully honest with, and I want to be someone who is proud of who he is.

I'm making an effort to stay socially connected, as I believe I make peoples day better and I've learnt from personal experience that isolation is killer. I tell acquaintances I'm coder.

P.S. Love your crypto contributions, I would of saved hundreds of thousands if I listened to your pessimism from 12.5 months ago. I've also started to listen to Japanese audio tapes to make the most of the half an hour each morning I stare at a light box (My current plan is Minimal pairs -> Pimsleur -> Glossika -> Long-haired dictionary Angel )

(01-26-2019 11:00 AM)bortimer Wrote:  Your thread is titled "journey away from 30-something NEETdom," yet it's been nearly 6 months and you are still a NEET? Your self-improvement efforts are just masturbation. Get a job and build some inertia towards actually accomplishing something.
I fell into a bit of a depression for a few months, now I'm back on track. I've tried years to find any kind of work, but thank you for posting.

On the plus side it looks like if you can hold the crypto through the end of this year, you might be able to unload some of it for quite a bit more than if you liquidate now.
03-02-2019 03:56 PM
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RE: Heph's daily journey away from 30-something NEETdom
Sometimes it helps to just Get Away From The Computer.

Even if you block All Distractions, get some ANALOGUE HOBBIES.

Fast-forward a year:
- you're making 6-figures and setting your own schedule as a Python coder
- you're progressing towards becoming a trustworthy, charismatic Tech Solutioneer who can easily gain and liaison with clients
- your coding knowledge helps you manage a fleet of less-social but more-experienced coders while avoiding typical manager pitfalls

If you're really successful, you might have even more "free time", and your money and business owner self-regard still won't help when all the normal people are in an office and on a strict weekender entertainment itinerary.

It's important to maintain some kind of "live" connection to the community, as others have posted, and as you've acknowledged too. I think it's a bigger part than simply skill-building.

There's an irony that the lucrative skill-building takes place on the same computer that will suck the life out of you and pull you away from real life just as much in SUCCESS as it will in NEETdom.

Computers and phones have only taken over because of how easily they can "simulate" Real Life; they'd have nothing to simulate once people stop doing Things in Real Life.

Just a general message to prioritize fresh air and human connection as much as everything else.

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That's why the other advice on this thread about JUST EARNING SOMETHING is wise.

If you had to spend some hours loading and unloading trucks by the dock some days per week, You Would Not Need To Hack Your Computer For Distraction-Blockers.

You'd be waiting ALL DAY to sit down with some code, terminal windows, etc.

You'd pass out from exhaustion before you got a chance to read RVF, thus turning it into a real treat when you finally have some time.

That's worth the gap between 'Labor Money' and 'Coding / Owning Money', at least for some time!
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I been reading through this thread over the last week or so. Good stuff. Why no more updates though?
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04-26-2019 02:27 AM
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(08-25-2018 12:53 AM)Hephaestus Wrote:  I've tried for years to find work. No one wants someone who's been in the wilderness for so long. I've even been rejected from the kind of jobs I was doing as a teen. I have no references, no family connections(my parents are both significantly disabled and overseas) and I'm "privileged" (This is as political as I'm going to get here)

My efforts are better suited creating a job for myself then taking one. I have made decent progress in the last 10 days and based on my lifestyle and family history, I've got at least 23,000 days left to leave a positive mark on the world if I keep the momentum up. The deadline I've set for myself is to pay at least $1 of tax within 150 days.

I can relate to this to an extent. I did two degrees which don't easily lend themselves to employment by themselves, and made the additional mistake of focusing on grades rather than things that could have actually helped me get a job: extracurriculars (for networking) and side jobs (for experience and references).

I'm still not in a great position but things are improving. One thing that helped was to do volunteer work. There is generally a low barrier to entry (you should be able to find something that doesn't require any kind of prior experience) and it can provide the following benefits:

- meeting new people, which itself can have the benefits of improving mental health (=> improved productivity => greater chance of succeeding with your online ventures), reducing feelings of isolation, networking, getting prospects to game, getting new friends, and getting references that you can later use when applying for jobs
- possibly gain skills that can be used in basic admin/customer service roles, which despite being kinda shitty jobs will also allow you to meet new people, can be pathways to better positions within a company, will provide you with more money than welfare (=> more capital to invest in side business), will improve your self esteem (=> increased productivity)

I hesitate to advise someone to uproot their life to go live in a foreign country, but teaching English abroad may also be an option. Some places you can apparently get a job just being a native speaker of English (I don't know if you're a native speaker or not - but even if you're not I've seen foreigners do it). You can (and should) still pursue your internet business ambitions while working as an English teacher, and the change of scenery may help to motivate you and otherwise improve your life (getting laid overseas will almost certainly be easier than in Australia/weather may be better/some foreign cultures may suit you better etc.).
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04-26-2019 04:43 AM
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RE: Heph's daily journey away from 30-something NEETdom
Good news, I have finalllllly managed to get a part-time job teaching English online yesterday. It's barely above minimum wage, but it is in the late afternoon/evening when I'm usually too tired to do anything productive.

As for my studying, I was knocked back with glandular fever for a while, so I'm currently reviewing and refreshing. I haven't given up.

I'm staying socially active so I don't turn into a incoherent caveman. I used to be extremely isolated in the past and it was a disaster for my mental health. 456 is right, doing fun stuff AWAY from the computer matters, vidya may be fun, but it traps me in my room, I try to go on group hikes at least every few weeks.

I'm not interested in moving overseas at the movement, it would add additional complications. When I get a business established, moving to Malaysia or Taiwan with their effectively zero tax on foreign-derived income would be very tempting.

Volunteering would make sense, but in Australia, you get your neetbux taken away if you aren't looking for full time paid work. It's crazy, I know.
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(04-26-2019 05:25 PM)Hephaestus Wrote:  Good news, I have finalllllly managed to get a part-time job teaching English online yesterday. It's barely above minimum wage, but it is in the late afternoon/evening when I'm usually too tired to do anything productive.

Nice! A step in the right direction.

(04-26-2019 05:25 PM)Hephaestus Wrote:  Volunteering would make sense, but in Australia, you get your neetbux taken away if you aren't looking for full time paid work.

Yes I know, but I don't see how this would prevent you from volunteering. You can do volunteering while also applying for jobs. As far as I am aware Centrelink would not cite the fact that you are volunteering as evidence that you are not trying to find work (and you don't need to tell them about it anyway).
04-26-2019 05:54 PM
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Back to the forum with an update.

I've just earnt my full real estate license today, and friends have already recommended me to their bosses. This hopefully will mark the start of a happier stage in my life.

The online English teaching company stiffed me unfortunately, and the accounting Job my Disability Service agency convinced me to drop out of my programming course never materialised. But what I have now is real, and I'm in real position to get back on track with life.

December isn't the busiest of months, so I'm doing to spend every day trying to push my Chinese language skills to the next level. Overseas buyers are a huge driving force in the Sydney market, especially at Chinese New Year.
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