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RE: Elon Musk is falling apart
(Just might have a bit of difficulty paying for them if the fuckers actually materialise)

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11-28-2019 12:27 AM
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RE: Elon Musk is falling apart
Well, Intel wasn't doing anything new until Threadripper arrived. Maybe this will force other manufacturers to innovate. What's the last truck innovation, a multi-use tailgate?

EDIT: This guy goes for a drive in one.



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RE: Elon Musk is falling apart
Built in ramp.

Why has this never happened before?

edit: Gosh darn. I'm actually starting to love this thing. Looking forward to picking up a second hand one in 15 years.

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RE: Elon Musk is falling apart
(11-28-2019 05:11 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Built in ramp.

Why has this never happened before?

The built-in ramp on the Cybertruck works in concert with the air suspension to 'squat' the rear down, facilitating loading.

Full air suspensions are notoriously failure-prone and do not age well. Manufacturers have been playing with 4-corner air ride since the 50s (first on Cadillac's '57 Brougham and subsequently throughout the line along with '58 MY Buicks) and still haven't made it truly reliable. Even modern Airmatic Mercedes and Range Rovers suffer from the same maladies that befell the 'Air-Borne' 1958 Buicks - air line leaks, bag/strut failure, dryer saturation, inop compressors, or leaks in any of the numerous fittings in the system. And - unlike rear load-leveling shocks - 4-corner systems are very expensive to service. There's a healthy aftermarket industry in retrofitting cars with air suspensions to traditional coil-overs for this reason.

RAM has offered Active Level - a 4-corner adjustable air suspension - since '16 I believe and, thought I haven't heard of significant problems, I'm also not certain of the take rate and how many are out there of age/mileage to warrant problems developing. Even still, people do still talk about problems with the system.

Even Tesla's own air suspension option on the Model S and X have been problematic. Though, frankly, aside from the battery/powertrain aspect of their cars, anything Tesla manufactures aside from the Model S is plagued with finish and build quality issues.

If they can bring thing to market with minimal parlor tricks and real substantive innovations - the stainless steel body is one - then you may have a real game-changer on your hands. Most pickup buyers are wary of the latest and greatest in terms of innovations and rather stick with what works.
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(11-27-2019 04:37 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Elon Musk seems to have a ton of elite backing and the niche car maker can likely make it if he can deliver on the below 40.000$ price tag.

Everybody is losing money on electric cars, that's why the germans didn't want to do it.

Now, like all big tech tesla has the support of domestic economic intelligence agencies, and a central bank which prints money at will because they can.
So their strategy is to flood the market and lose money .. interesting.

Interesting also that the majority of workers in germany depend (directly or indirectly) on the transport industry, which is now forced to lose always more money.

Now I wonder what would happen if ..
Oh well, you can connect the dots for yourself I suppose.
It's not like it didn't happen in the past already.
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The stainless steel body of the Delorean is a good concept which the manufacturers did not want to pursue similar to the hemp-plastic-replacement material. It's mostly profit driven. The few Deloreans I saw had generally a perfect body with no maintenance done to them:

[Image: Sports_Car_Museum_L%C3%A1ny_-_1981_De_Lo...ont%29.jpg]

The Delorean had other issues and the Tesla model will have some as well.

In my opinion they are certainly suppressing real alternative advanced battery systems, because those batteries would give the globohomos more problems - phones that are charged for years or cars that drive 2000 miles without loading are not what they want. They want you dependable giving you essentially a car that works best as a side car or has a limited range. And the range gets very limited once the AC or heating is on.
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(11-27-2019 04:17 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  I like the design.

This bold design is the smart recognition that most modern designs suck. Kind of the same reason 80s/retro nu-wave music and aesthetic are cycling back now with the zoomers. There was also another 80s music boom in the early 00s, which produced synth-pop bands like Ladytron and Roksopp.

The music they should have had to introduce the Cybertruck would be right out of one of Cr33pin's nu-wave threads:









This truck design recognizes that the future looked, felt and sounded a lot better and cooler 40 years ago than it does today, as such it will be a big commercial success. I know 3 guys in my wider circle who have put the deposit money down, 2 GXers and a millennial.

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You'd be a very game clown to buy generation one of this thing.

Wait at least until they release gen. 2, & hope they've ironed out the usual Tesla bugs.

Which given the hardened steel body. Ironing out the bugs may be more difficult than normal... Rolleyes
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Does this thing have crumple zones? I thought the reason older cars with these types of hard bodies can be dangerous is that they absorb none of the impact.
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(11-28-2019 09:48 PM)antman333 Wrote:  Does this thing have crumple zones? I thought the reason older cars with these types of hard bodies can be dangerous is that they absorb none of the impact.

Outside of battery fires, the Model 3 was, generally, very safe in a crash so I trust that the Tesla people have thought of crash safety. But, it's a single sheet of stainless steel, does the entire thing need to be replaced in even a minor accident? There's no paint so you can't just weld a new patch panel in place and grind it down.
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(12-02-2019 08:10 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Outside of battery fires, the Model 3 was, generally, very safe in a crash so I trust that the Tesla people have thought of crash safety. But, it's a single sheet of stainless steel, does the entire thing need to be replaced in even a minor accident? There's no paint so you can't just weld a new patch panel in place and grind it down.

Speaking of paint.
Fair bet there'll be the odd rapper or two who'll have the damned things chrome lined or painted gold or some such gaudy colour scheme.
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(12-02-2019 08:48 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 08:10 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Outside of battery fires, the Model 3 was, generally, very safe in a crash so I trust that the Tesla people have thought of crash safety. But, it's a single sheet of stainless steel, does the entire thing need to be replaced in even a minor accident? There's no paint so you can't just weld a new patch panel in place and grind it down.

Speaking of paint.
Fair bet there'll be the odd rapper or two who'll have the damned things chrome lined or painted gold or some such gaudy colour scheme.

AMEX offered gold-plated Deloreans at 80k per. A very interesting article about the number built and how the process was done...

Gold Plated DeLoreans

Quote:VIN 1542 with a manual transmission and black interior was privately plated by it's owner in New York in 1981 and last known to have been sold to someone in the Toronto, Canada area. The owner of the car at the time recounted this story on the car:

This was 30 years ago, so I will do my best to describe the sequence of events that took place.

In 1981, I took delivery of the first DeLorean on Long Island, NY and paid about $28,000 including a premium for getting the car early. I had received an offering by American Express describing 100 24K gold Deloreans to be built and sold at the price of $85,000 each and I thought how cool was that. I did some research and figured I could do it on my own and located an electro-chemical plating business in Laurel, MD called Brushtronics Engineering and arranged to have my car gold plated. It was not done by dipping each individual panel into an electroplating bath as were the 3 that were done for Amex...my car was already assembled and that was too impractical. Rather, a process known as brush-plating was done...one panel at a time. Since stainless steel develops an oxide coating, the first step on each panel was to electrochemically clean the surface to remove the oxide and contaminants. Since gold does not adhere well to stainless steel, each cleaned panel was then nickel plated first and finally plated with 23K hard cobalt gold by dipping cloth coated wands hooked up to an electrical current into a clear solution containing the gold ions and then "brush" the panel depositing the gold onto each panel. After each panel was finished, a levigated aluminum oxide white powder was used to polish the gold to a high luster. This procedure was repeated on the same panel several times to build up the gold thickness. I believe it took at least 2-3 months to complete the entire car in MD and then I drove it home and took it to a local body shop to have the wheels and soft bumpers sprayed with gold paint to match the plating. The gold plating also included the exhaust tips. I also had a neighbor make up a rectangular brass plate that was engraved 24K Gold Plated Delorean and glued to the passenger side dashboard.

I have numerous photographs of the car which appeared on TV in the DC, MD area news (have video tape with me on it) as well as TV in Atlantic City, NJ where I had put it up for auction (did not sell). None of the photos are digital though as they were taken in '81 before digital photography.

Brushtronics submitted an article in a "Plating and Surface Finishing" trade journal and sent it to me. It shows my car when it was being filmed for TV and also shows a great picture of it sitting with gull wings high and sitting next to John Lennon's psychedelic Rolls Royce as the show cars of the Atlantic City auction.

Many months later, I sold the car to a man from Canada and the picture of the car sitting in the driveway of my first house in North Woodmere, LI NY appears on the link that I sent in my previous mail. This picture was taken by the buyer the day he picked up the car and later appeared in Road and Track magazine for sale as I understand that he could not bring the car into Canada due to some technicality and stored it in a garage for some time near Niagra Falls, NY. I don't know where the car eventually wound up...but that's my story. Oh yes, the entire project including travel, hotel, painting wheels/bumper and the gold electroplating cost me about $8,000 in 1981.
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No surprise here - I was pretty certain that Elon Musk must have had some major globohomo pedigree:

https://www.technocracy.news/shock-elon-...-movement/

Quote:Shock: Elon Musk’s Grandfather Was Head Of Canada’s Technocracy Movement

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The Technocrats were a movement started in the 1930s that wanted to create a world led by the scientific class (and paid by the moneyed class). It did not achieve the goals because there was too much opposition to that.

The fuckers wore grey suits and had even a Technocrat salute.

https://www.canadashistory.ca/explore/po...t-utopians

[Image: ExpTheLastUtopiansRosebowl768x511_1.jpg....p;ext=.jpg]

But this goal of theirs remained - now they control the media and politics better, the people had far more indoctrination, so they will go after that now.

Elon Musk is thus a grandchild of a scientific class member just as Bill Gates is the son of a scientific class member of Eugenics America.

What are the chances that the grandson of a scientific class activist does the same thing that his grandfather did just as Gates jr does the same population control thing that his father did?

Seems to me more that the world's trillionaires reward their servants with the possibility of their sons or grandsons to become billionaires if they have even remotely the skills for that. "You have served us well. You will see your heirs become billionaires. We will fund your projects and make you into stars if your heirs continue to serve us as well."

Oh - I might add that leading politicians already called themselves technocrats - especially in the EU. The world is to be led by technocrats even if it will come with a few detours.
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