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South Korea going Feminist
Stumbled upon this article today. I was somewhat aware of how South Korea is going through some sort of transformation, if not its very own Sexual Revolution. It's pretty disheartening to see just how global this shit is going.

Quote:Speak to South Koreans from older generations about the low fertility rate and the contrast in attitude is sharp. They see people like Yun-hwa as too individualistic and selfish.

I start chatting to two women in their 60s enjoying the stream-side park that runs through central Seoul. One tells me she has three daughters in their 40s, but none has had children.

"I try to instil patriotism and duty to the country with the kids, and of course I would love to see them continuing the line," she says. "But their decision is not to do that."

"There should be that sense of duty to the country," her friend chips in. "We're very worried about the low fertility rate here."

Yun-hwa and her contemporaries, the children of a globalised world, aren't persuaded by such arguments.

When I put it to her that if she and her contemporaries don't have children her country's culture will die, she tells me that it's time for the male-dominated culture to go.

"Must die," she says, breaking into English. "Must die!"

"Why I never want babies" - South Korea -- BBC
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Well yeah that's the globalists' plan and it's working. They are also already pushing mass migration propaganda on South Korea to transform the country and enrich it like they've done here.

Those cat ladies will all go crazy in time.
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RE: South Korea going Feminist
I know a lot about this issue.

I'm a fan of nuance, so it'd be easy to just write something with a lot of hyperbole like "South Korea is a feminist hellhole" or something clickbaity.

On the feminism scale if Saudi Arabia is a 0 and Japan is maybe a 3 and Sweden is a 9 then South Korea would be a 6 and rising. Not as cucked as the anglo countries (US 8, Canada 8.5, UK 8) but def getting dangerously high and rising.

It depends on your perspective, if you just thought asian countries were immune to this and all asian women are submissive you are in for a rude shock but I at least find it comforting South Korean men are at least able to punch back. For example a lot of times South Korean male gamers push back against some company or person that does some feminist bullshit and at least gets them to back off, I rarely see that in the west.

Its also notable that South Korean men serve 18 months in the army. This may be something you may have heard or just glanced through in some news article. The more details you read about the more unjust and ridiculous it sounds. Its a terrible inefficent system and a lot of times the conscripts are used for nothing more than manual labor like mowing the grass or raking leaves and bullying is rife. This is in addition to losing about 2 years of your prime working years making LESS than minimum wage.

So with all this in mind what is the Korean feminist position? They don't care. They don't care about the obvious contradition of wanting "equal rights" but men having to serve 18 months in the military while women don't which is not surprising if you have observed how feminists act. As we all know feminists don't play fair and their movement has nothing to do with equality. Nothing demonstrates that more than the military draft. Its only a hypothetical argument in the west but in S.Korea its real and its a look into what likely will happen in other countries. Feminists don't give a shit about men being forced to serve but women not having to.

Audaciously there has been whining to the South Korean government about how men coming out of their mandatory 18 month military service get preferential treatment for jobs which is why the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family has kiboshed that (to make it fair). So in other words you not only lose 18 months of your prime working years (the longest men can delay their military service is until 30) but you cannot even get a smooth transition and have to compete with women who have no had their careers delayed.

Korean feminists can be quite nasty. Some of the very notorious korean feminist websites are Magalia and Womad (Magalia was shut down) where they do some sick things like post mutilated penis photos (I know) and call for the death of korean men. Recently a Womad site operator was arrested for posting nude photos secretly taken of a korean male model (in a figure drawing class or something). A site like Womad seem to be like a /b/ from 4chan where they get off on doing extreme stuff that triggers men (basically feminist trolls)

To be fair not all korean feminists are like that (just like feminists in the west come in various degrees of extremism). But most Korean women seem to have absorbed at least some degree of third wave feminist propoganda.

Also korean feminist differ from western feminists that they really aren't aligned with LGBT or transgender movement or anti-racism or accepting mass immigration. They basically just care about women/being anti-korean men. So they're more like 2nd generation feminists in that respect.

Its interesting to note Japan doesn't have a feminist problem from what I can tell, which is interesting because culturally S.Korea is very similar to Japan. I guess its one more piece of evidence to show even by asian standards the Japanese are unique.

I mean its very easy to condemn feminists (esp here) and talk about how terrible they are. I would say though that korean men can be very very patriarchal and dominating (even the younger generation) and I think there are legitimate grievances korean women have with korean men and S.Korean society in general. Kind of like how peasants or workers genuinely were being mistreated like capitalists so they turned to communism (who oppressed them just as much or worse as the capitalists). I don't think the Korean men are exactly blameless but as we all know feminism isn't a cure it just basically a revenge cult.

Also it bears repeating they have to serve 18 months in the army. Compared to pretty much any country in the world (Israel makes military service mandatory for men and women) in S.Korea men are forced to fufill their patriarchal duty of being protectors but because of feminism there is a imbalance where women are not asked to do anything for the society (like have babies). So while korean men have their flaws they give more than men in other countries (forcibly) but they do not get any of the privileges that they would have gotten in a traditional society (men are protectors, women are baby producers and caregivers).
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RE: South Korea going Feminist
(08-20-2018 07:05 PM)Castelnau Wrote:  Also korean feminist differ from western feminists that they really aren't aligned with LGBT or transgender movement or anti-racism or accepting mass immigration. They basically just care about women/being anti-korean men. So they're more like 2nd generation feminists in that respect.

This is the important difference. Korea can afford the birthrate hit from feminism due to its isolation from enrichment, Westerners can't.

As an aside to tylerburden:
I'm liking your threads so far, I could tell similar stories about my Asian exs, so I was nodding all the way. But please don't pigeon-hole yourself as the "Asian girls suck" poster, you can be much more than that.

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(08-21-2018 04:48 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  
(08-20-2018 07:05 PM)Castelnau Wrote:  Also korean feminist differ from western feminists that they really aren't aligned with LGBT or transgender movement or anti-racism or accepting mass immigration. They basically just care about women/being anti-korean men. So they're more like 2nd generation feminists in that respect.

This is the important difference. Korea can afford the birthrate hit from feminism due to its isolation from enrichment, Westerners can't.

As an aside to tylerburden:
I'm liking your threads so far, I could tell similar stories about my Asian exs, so I was nodding all the way. But please don't pigeon-hole yourself as the "Asian girls suck" poster, you can be much more than that.

I would not be so quick to say that. They are big on Christianity, which if not understood correctly can lead to too much female leadership. They already had their first female president, even though she is gone over corruption, that will not be the end for long. Koreans and Taiwanese are the most susceptible of the East Asian countries to serious feminism. I'm already hearing about complaints about trannies in Taiwan.

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RE: South Korea going Feminist
Yeah - but you know what - they can trigger the baby-machines again similar to Japan.

Korea will survive because of this:

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1000 Middle Eastern refugees land in South Korea and massive protests are sparked.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-07-05/p...ated-think

200.000 people demonstrate against the arrival of 1000 illegal Muslims.

That is why Korea and Japan will still exist in 2100 - just with fewer people.

Meanwhile UK, Sweden, Germany, France - they will be become violent shitholes waging either a civil war or being just a fucked up Brazil with large Muslim populations.

Let the Koreans and Japanese have less babies - yes - propaganda is working on them, but at least it does not work where it counts.
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^^ Feminism is a vicious fifth column. Feminist hate their own men, and this hate carries over to hatred of their own nation, as a patriotic feminist is an oxymoron. In the West, white feminists hate white men, but are sympathetic to much less civilized black/brown/Latino men. Westernized young East Asian women are the most progressive members of their race. Once "emancipated" from evil Confucian patriarchy by immigrating to the West, or having immigrated and encountered liberal education, they hate their culture and avoid East Asian men as if it were a form of incest.

In 20 years South Korea will have a bunch of autistic or otherwise psychically impaired kids being raised by feminist (single) mothers. Left unchecked they will root out the vestiges of traditional Korean culture and let in the refugees who will destroy the body of Korean society as the feminists and liberals are currently destroying its soul.
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< Yeah - only one problem with that - working against it.

They have little option to go the "my fellow White people" shtick they do in the West, thus the influence is less pronounced.

In addition you will note those protesting against immigration being mostly the Christians who have far more kids. It's the same as everywhere else - the progressives have little kids, while the conservatives and shitlords pump them out more. So as long as the country is not flooded with non-Koreans, then nature will take it's course and the country will become more conservative over time.
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(08-21-2018 05:15 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(08-21-2018 04:48 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  
(08-20-2018 07:05 PM)Castelnau Wrote:  Also korean feminist differ from western feminists that they really aren't aligned with LGBT or transgender movement or anti-racism or accepting mass immigration. They basically just care about women/being anti-korean men. So they're more like 2nd generation feminists in that respect.

This is the important difference. Korea can afford the birthrate hit from feminism due to its isolation from enrichment, Westerners can't.

As an aside to tylerburden:
I'm liking your threads so far, I could tell similar stories about my Asian exs, so I was nodding all the way. But please don't pigeon-hole yourself as the "Asian girls suck" poster, you can be much more than that.

Koreans and Taiwanese are the most susceptible of the East Asian countries to serious feminism. I'm already hearing about complaints about trannies in Taiwan.

Of all the East Asian countries, Taiwan has been the one that's furthest down the LGBT/social progressive path. It already has the biggest gay parade in all of Asia and the president of Taiwan right now is a childless never married woman. When the US gay marriage SOCTUS went down I saw a large number of Taiwanese Facebook users put on that rainbow Facebook profile pic frame.
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Wutang is right, the vast majority of Taiwanese support it, most cities register civil partnerships and the constitutional court says it must be implemented.

I'm actually pretty cool with "Gay marriage" but am worried it'll be a step towards transsexual supremacism. Taiwan is nice but I'm worried it'll leap into progressive policies just to differentiate itself from its big neighbour.

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(08-21-2018 01:51 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  Taiwan is nice but I'm worried it'll leap into progressive policies just to differentiate itself from its big neighbour.

This is the only reason these issues are so big in Taiwan, so they can say, "Look! We're not like big bad China, we're open-minded!"

Thankfully we're not importing Muslim refugees here, but the SE Asians are taking over lots of manual and other work. Still plenty of tai ke's about, but one day the SE Asians will make up the underclass and native Taiwanese will only work as engineer and other white collar jobs, living in small, cramped apartments with their 1.5 children and lowball salaries.
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Is this feminism or is it just backlash against overly conservative elements in East Asian society?

Lots of otherwise normal boys and girls get so henpecked by parents and grandparents that I am not surprised that segments of the population are like "do I really want to continue down this path?"

Like, filial piety is the driving force behind a lot of the cohesiveness of East Asian societies but it can also be unnecessarily brutal and restrictive to be forced to bend the knee to your 90-year-old grandmother your entire life even though she has no business dictating all the affairs of your life.

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South Korea went down this path in the early 90s when they abolished fault-based divorce and went with no-fault. I remember the divorce rate went up to 50+% within a few years. I know a lot of Koreans and so many of them come from divorced families. They suffer from very similar issues to Western Anglo countries, it's just that they have a much stronger culture which has held back the slide into degeneracy a little longer.

It might be related to this (SK going feminist), I know so many Korean guys dating or marrying out to Viets, Fillipinas and Europeans. Damn near every Asian guy I've known or seen who dates or marries a white woman is Korean. Korean girls must really hate it! I know a Korean-and-Australian couple who now live in SK, the girl (early-mid 20s) does some modelling and is a legit 8+, the guy has a pretty good corporate job with one of the tech giants there. She gets so much hate from the Korean chicks, they keep trying to insinuate that she needs to lose 1-2kg, that her eyes are too big (hah!) or she starts to look old.

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(08-21-2018 09:28 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Is this feminism or is it just backlash against overly conservative elements in East Asian society?

Lots of otherwise normal boys and girls get so henpecked by parents and grandparents that I am not surprised that segments of the population are like "do I really want to continue down this path?"

Like, filial piety is the driving force behind a lot of the cohesiveness of East Asian societies but it can also be unnecessarily brutal and restrictive to be forced to bend the knee to your 90-year-old grandmother your entire life even though she has no business dictating all the affairs of your life.

This was my first reaction, too, especially regarding not having kids. I saw a poll once that stated 80% of young South Koreans want to immigrate elsewhere. It's a poll, so take it with a grain of salt, but I think the big question remains. If Koreans are over stressed with their 12+ hour school and work days along with the intense competition to land the top universities and careers, many of them will feel discouraged bringing kids into that world.
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Burnout has always been a factor and a major issue in Asia period. Japan might be the best modern example of this. Much of the degenerative aspects, fetish porn, grass eating men problem, stems from the burn out factor.

Because it is so deeply rooted in Asian cultures no amount of technology or political change will root it out either.

My wife is a burnout. Should have gone to a 4 year university. Had a breakdown in my opinion when she told me her story. She was number one or two in school most of her life.

She is even now trying to keep up with her friends with advanced education for babies and kids. It's subconscious to them. I grew up around advanced placement and magnet school school kids because I was one. Very few of us stayed elite into college and plenty burned out and went to the military or got a trade. With education Asians think everything is a fucking race and they are too quick to show off how smart their kids are.

Even some self made rich ones I know do this. I'm not sure what would change this culture but it would require some of the idiotic hyper competitive testing and school work that is mandatory to ease up. In places like China non math studies are looked down on. Art, writing, etc is considered not important that's why their creativity sucks and they copy everyone else's shit. Koreans are a lot better but their system isn't quite like ours at the same time.

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Very good points in this thread already. A few more from my experiences in SK, grain of salt not included!

1- All things considered, SK feminism is not as bad as Anglosphere feminism yet due to what's left of a very strong collective/Confuciuan culture. Yes, there are radicals but they're largely considered far fringe.

2- Ironically, that same culture gave birth to SK feminism in the first place. The strict hierarchy is stifling for everyone but some women land in the lowest rung. A few times, I saw guys hitting girls/women on the street. Not a scene you'd expect in a presumably first world country.

3- Many infant ideologies, including feminism, grew rapidly under the insane economic boom. The pace immensely widened the generational gap and weakened the grip of tradition. Feminism, in particular, also benefited women getting a large slice of the economic pie.

4- The "sexual revolution" piece is a story for another thread. SK is outright schizophrenic about sex. Be it as it may, an average girl still will not brag about a ONS. I don't see a slut walk organized in Seoul any time soon (though that'd help identify them more easily!).

5- The baby question is related but different. Education cost is the first issue cited, rather than the woman's caeeer. Koreans LOVE degrees and pedigree. Pedigreed degrees don't come cheap. Parents dump obscene sums of money into kids' after-school schools. Of course, it's a truly moronic and ultimately futile arms race to the bottom.

So all in all, feminism exists in SK but it hasn't yet developed the influence and insolence of its Anglo cousin. That's not to say that SK doesn't have problems. Lord knows there are loads!
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(08-21-2018 10:24 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < Yeah - only one problem with that - working against it.

They have little option to go the "my fellow White people" shtick they do in the West, thus the influence is less pronounced.

In addition you will note those protesting against immigration being mostly the Christians who have far more kids. It's the same as everywhere else - the progressives have little kids, while the conservatives and shitlords pump them out more. So as long as the country is not flooded with non-Koreans, then nature will take it's course and the country will become more conservative over time.
The trouble is that the feminists can recruit new followers faster and more effectively than tradition-minded parents can have kids and raise them to be resistant to leftism. This is what happened in America in the middle of the 20th century. The counterculture movement deceived and began to destroy the youth of what used to be a solidly Christian nation.
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(08-22-2018 07:27 AM)MPD Wrote:  Very good points in this thread already. A few more from my experiences in SK, grain of salt not included!

1- All things considered, SK feminism is not as bad as Anglosphere feminism yet due to what's left of a very strong collective/Confuciuan culture. Yes, there are radicals but they're largely considered far fringe.

2- Ironically, that same culture gave birth to SK feminism in the first place. The strict hierarchy is stifling for everyone but some women land in the lowest rung. A few times, I saw guys hitting girls/women on the street. Not a scene you'd expect in a presumably first world country.

3- Many infant ideologies, including feminism, grew rapidly under the insane economic boom. The pace immensely widened the generational gap and weakened the grip of tradition. Feminism, in particular, also benefited women getting a large slice of the economic pie.

4- The "sexual revolution" piece is a story for another thread. SK is outright schizophrenic about sex. Be it as it may, an average girl still will not brag about a ONS. I don't see a slut walk organized in Seoul any time soon (though that'd help identify them more easily!).

5- The baby question is related but different. Education cost is the first issue cited, rather than the woman's caeeer. Koreans LOVE degrees and pedigree. Pedigreed degrees don't come cheap. Parents dump obscene sums of money into kids' after-school schools. Of course, it's a truly moronic and ultimately futile arms race to the bottom.

So all in all, feminism exists in SK but it hasn't yet developed the influence and insolence of its Anglo cousin. That's not to say that SK doesn't have problems. Lord knows there are loads!

Arms race to the bottom is spot on. They are going broke just trying to keep up with everyone else. Eventually they will be in debt like Americans just to be mediocre office slaves.

When I go to China, SK, or others, older people are picking up the trash and doing hard manual labor. You hardly see lots of 20 somethings doing it. Will all these degreed people do all that work when none of these countries import labor? Of course not, that is why Japan is importing labor from other countries.

Time will tell if they manage to figure out a balance, but I would not be surprised if they just repeat history.

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(08-22-2018 12:22 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Burnout has always been a factor and a major issue in Asia period. Japan might be the best modern example of this. Much of the degenerative aspects, fetish porn, grass eating men problem, stems from the burn out factor.

Because it is so deeply rooted in Asian cultures no amount of technology or political change will root it out either.

My wife is a burnout. Should have gone to a 4 year university. Had a breakdown in my opinion when she told me her story. She was number one or two in school most of her life.

She is even now trying to keep up with her friends with advanced education for babies and kids. It's subconscious to them. I grew up around advanced placement and magnet school school kids because I was one. Very few of us stayed elite into college and plenty burned out and went to the military or got a trade. With education Asians think everything is a fucking race and they are too quick to show off how smart their kids are.

Even some self made rich ones I know do this. I'm not sure what would change this culture but it would require some of the idiotic hyper competitive testing and school work that is mandatory to ease up. In places like China non math studies are looked down on. Art, writing, etc is considered not important that's why their creativity sucks and they copy everyone else's shit. Koreans are a lot better but their system isn't quite like ours at the same time.

TK, you’ve hit on some salient points here. To add on to what you’ve mentioned about education being a race, even if you “win” you’re still relegated to the role of serf when you enter the company. While the big name uni can get you into the gates of the Ministries and elite corporations, once you’re in, the self-flagellation process starts over with no future benefit.

Watched this one video about Mishima and how one of the reasons for his suicide was that he saw the end of an era in Japan where men no longer receive a “heroic death”.




(Start at 12:23)


Now, what does that mean in this context? Well, let’s recap Japan in the earlier century.

-Yes there was hard work and overtime, but you were paid adequately for the time you put in.

-A man had the means to support himself, his family, and was seen as an individual who uplifted his communal duties.

-While maybe not being able to “stand out” in the Western sense, a man contributed to the whole and was rewarded for that.


At the end of it all, that man would be seen as someone who did his part, and traditional society patted him on the back and thanked him for his service him for it. When it was his time to pass, he could essentially have a “heroic death”.

What do we have nowadays?

-A system that expects men to work twice as hard and receive half the rewards of that of previous generations.

-Instead of thanking the men who get out there and fight, western media continually inundates cultural circles with feminism and #metoo platitudes, attending to the needs of women at the expense of men.

-Women enter the workforce in droves and expect to achieve at the same standards as men, only to find out much later that the ladies with the pantsuit and corner office aren’t seen as the pinnacle of marriage material.

-Men who do get married are forced to have separate bedrooms, have to give their paycheck to the women, then are being yelled at and divorced after they retire (i.e. replaced) from the company.


The men bend over backwards, get the education, do everything that society tells them to and what is the reward? Pocket lint.

It is no wonder younger guys are throwing up their middle fingers, checking out of society and playing Fortnite all day. Why be a part of something that sees you as nothing more than cannon fodder? There is no heroic death in being a whipping boy.

Sometimes, it seems this part of the world is trying to chase two rabbits at the same time.
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(08-22-2018 12:22 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Burnout has always been a factor and a major issue in Asia period. Japan might be the best modern example of this. Much of the degenerative aspects, fetish porn, grass eating men problem, stems from the burn out factor.

Because it is so deeply rooted in Asian cultures no amount of technology or political change will root it out either.

My wife is a burnout. Should have gone to a 4 year university. Had a breakdown in my opinion when she told me her story. She was number one or two in school most of her life.

She is even now trying to keep up with her friends with advanced education for babies and kids. It's subconscious to them. I grew up around advanced placement and magnet school school kids because I was one. Very few of us stayed elite into college and plenty burned out and went to the military or got a trade. With education Asians think everything is a fucking race and they are too quick to show off how smart their kids are.

Even some self made rich ones I know do this. I'm not sure what would change this culture but it would require some of the idiotic hyper competitive testing and school work that is mandatory to ease up. In places like China non math studies are looked down on. Art, writing, etc is considered not important that's why their creativity sucks and they copy everyone else's shit. Koreans are a lot better but their system isn't quite like ours at the same time.

TK, you’ve hit on some salient points here. To add on to what you’ve mentioned about education being a race, even if you “win” you’re still relegated to the role of serf when you enter the company. While the big name uni can get you into the gates of the Ministries and elite corporations, once you’re in, the self-flagellation process starts over with no future benefit.

Watched this one video about Mishima and how one of the reasons for his suicide was that he saw the end of an era in Japan where men no longer receive a “heroic death”.


(Start at 12:23)


Now, what does that mean in this context? Well, let’s recap Japan in the earlier century.

-Yes there was hard work and overtime, but you were paid adequately for the time you put in.

-A man had the means to support himself, his family, and was seen as an individual who uplifted his communal duties.

-While maybe not being able to “stand out” in the Western sense, a man contributed to the whole and was rewarded for that.


At the end of it all, that man would be seen as someone who did his part, and traditional society patted him on the back and thanked him for his service him for it. When it was his time to pass, he could essentially have a “heroic death”.

What do we have nowadays?

-A system that expects men to work twice as hard and receive half the rewards of that of previous generations.

-Instead of thanking the men who get out there and fight, western media continually inundates cultural circles with feminism and #metoo platitudes, attending to the needs of women at the expense of men.

-Women enter the workforce in droves and expect to achieve at the same standards as men, only to find out much later that the ladies with the pantsuit and corner office aren’t seen as the pinnacle of marriage material.

-Men who do get married are forced to have separate bedrooms, have to give their paycheck to the women, then are being yelled at and divorced after they retire (i.e. replaced) from the company.


The men bend over backwards, get the education, do everything that society tells them to and what is the reward? Pocket lint.

It is no wonder younger guys are throwing up their middle fingers, checking out of society and playing Fortnite all day. Why be a part of something that sees you as nothing more than cannon fodder? There is no heroic death in being a whipping boy.

Sometimes, it seems this part of the world is trying to chase two rabbits at the same time.

I'm not sure about the rest of the post, but the bolded part is spot on.

Asian men concentrate power at the top. Those at the bottom get shitted on hardcore. There is paying your dues, and then there is Asian style Salaryman Dues. One is vastly more nasty to trudge through than the other.

Maybe in times past, the pie was a bit more shared around, but this is just how East Asians structure their societies. The oldest males have it all until they choose to pass it down or die. You end up grinding it out until the end when you are in charge. Not only do Korean and Japanese corporations do this, their fucking yakuzas and gangs do this. The impatient young male gets squished. Almost every single time.

China is not any different either when I think about it. Only difference there is that in a good bit of these top companies, the bonuses are really big lately. Also, since China has no such thing as "Intellectual Property", young or middle aged guys and women leave their companies and create their own selling or making the exact same shit as before with money they saved aside from those bonuses. You could not do that in Japan or Korea and get away with that easily. Chinese bosses 9 times out of 10 don't even get mad! Some of them even join the younger ones that leave to start a competitor. Government side, is still old style no doubt.

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(08-22-2018 11:06 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  -snip-
Arms race to the bottom is spot on. They are going broke just trying to keep up with everyone else. Eventually they will be in debt like Americans just to be mediocre office slaves.

This is absolutely spot on. Koreans, by and large, are very smart people, but they take the concept of 'face' + "keeping up with the Jones'" to the next level. When I first heard that SK was one of, if not The, world leader in consumer credit card debt, I was blown away.

It's just so antithetical to their Confucian roots + with all their massive focus on education and stable career choices, e.g. largely preferring working in a company over the risk of striking out on their own, I thought that most Koreans would place a huge emphasis on financial solvency. I mean, isn't the point of education + career to be able to afford nice things and take care of yourself?

Anyway, I guess a lot of Koreans just see the "afford nice things" part and go for the credit card debt. I get that 'face' is very important there, but it completely boggles my mind how much consumer debt they have given how smart they are in general.
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Incredible post by WealthOfSpirit.

I think it is more than just applicable to Japanese society.
We men are the struggling carthorse being called privileged for being at the front.
Our burdens get heavier, but we pull harder and stronger.

But what choice do we have? Society depends on us putting one hoof ahead of the other. We gain less now, but we still gain from collectively averting societal collapse.

One thing I'd disagree on is that divorce and disrespect may not be because the man no longer has a place to work, but that he worked such long hours before, she never got to know the man she now has to spend his days with.

As for Korea, familial nepotism is a huge problem; it's hard to get promoted over the bosses' children. A similar thing happens in midsized Japanese firms, but at least a good worker can be legally adopted as an adult son, which is astonishingly common even today.

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(08-21-2018 09:28 AM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  ^^ Feminism is a vicious fifth column. Feminist hate their own men, and this hate carries over to hatred of their own nation, as a patriotic feminist is an oxymoron. In the West, white feminists hate white men, but are sympathetic to much less civilized black/brown/Latino men. Westernized young East Asian women are the most progressive members of their race. Once "emancipated" from evil Confucian patriarchy by immigrating to the West, or having immigrated and encountered liberal education, they hate their culture and avoid East Asian men as if it were a form of incest.

In 20 years South Korea will have a bunch of autistic or otherwise psychically impaired kids being raised by feminist (single) mothers. Left unchecked they will root out the vestiges of traditional Korean culture and let in the refugees who will destroy the body of Korean society as the feminists and liberals are currently destroying its soul.

Middle age women across Europe spend $1,000s to go on sex vacations to Turkey. Even young women are spending this sort of money (you see many young British and Russian women going to Black Sea Resorts in Turkey for example).

The whole women loving refugee thing is pretty much bringing the sex vacation home.

I think western men need to start a refugee campaign where we get tens of millions of women in their 20s from South East Asia to seek refugee status in Europe. That's practically the equivalent of what middle age white women are doing in Europe (90%+ of the refugees are men in their 20s from most photos I've seen).
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(08-21-2018 11:42 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  South Korea went down this path in the early 90s when they abolished fault-based divorce and went with no-fault. I remember the divorce rate went up to 50+% within a few years. I know a lot of Koreans and so many of them come from divorced families. They suffer from very similar issues to Western Anglo countries, it's just that they have a much stronger culture which has held back the slide into degeneracy a little longer.

It might be related to this (SK going feminist), I know so many Korean guys dating or marrying out to Viets, Fillipinas and Europeans. Damn near every Asian guy I've known or seen who dates or marries a white woman is Korean. Korean girls must really hate it! I know a Korean-and-Australian couple who now live in SK, the girl (early-mid 20s) does some modelling and is a legit 8+, the guy has a pretty good corporate job with one of the tech giants there. She gets so much hate from the Korean chicks, they keep trying to insinuate that she needs to lose 1-2kg, that her eyes are too big (hah!) or she starts to look old.


Most AMWF couples I saw in South Korea were between Korean men and Eastern European women ~ the latter who mostly sought a sham marriage to a STEM graduate and to work as a model / prostitute where they can get a huge amount of money.

Some reports now I think are saying Eastern European women (including undocumented ones) in Korea are over 100,000 now. It's a huge crazy number actually. There's more Eastern European women than there are foreigners on E-2 visas (which is under 30,000).

But when you ask Koreans about immigration issues the people they want out of the country are Chinese, South Asian and now the Muslim Middle Easterners in Jeju.
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Birth rates and world population going down a bit would be a great thing in fairness.
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