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Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
Why do women write books about brutal murders and sexual violence against young women and attract an almost entirely female readership?

If you’ve looked through women's bookshelves or seen girls reading for pleasure in public places or on holiday, you may have noticed titles such as A Girl On a Train, Gone Girl, Then She Was Gone, The Girl in the Ice. Thrillers about the murder of a young woman. They seem especially popular with post-wall women, but I've also known college-aged girls who read these types of books.

We know about the prevalence of first person rape and violent sexual fantasies among women, but what about violence against other women. Why do some women enjoy murder mysteries involving female victims?

I think the reaction to cases like Cologne and Rotherham make it clear that women in general are not as concerned with real cases of rape and other violence against young women as men are, which makes sound evolutionary sense. In fact women in general have shown almost complete indifference. But the popularity of books about the murders of young women shows that many actually positively enjoy fictional descriptions of violence against other young nubile women.

I’ve found one explanation for this in an article by a feminist professor in the London Review of Books.

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Jacqueline Rose

The Girl on the Train by Paula Hawkins
Doubleday, 320 pp, £12.99, January 2015, ISBN 978 0 85752 231 3
Gone Girl by Gillian Flynn
Weidenfeld, 512 pp, £8.99, September 2014, ISBN 978 1 78022 822 8

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One of the reasons for the success of Gone Girl and The Girl on the Train may be that they make violence not just compelling, like any horror story, nor just manageable, like detective stories (which always reassure us that the worst will finally be contained by the law), but digestible, a bit like consuming a TV dinner, legs outstretched, in an armchair. Sitting there (metaphorically), I felt I was being invited to identify as a reader with a man – a man not particularly sexual, or fit or even menacing, in fact someone who is pretty bored by the world – for whom misogyny just happens to be the best show in town, and, since both these stories were written by women, simply a fact of life that has nothing to do with him (even if, as we will see, he just might be a killer). This is Tom, key male player, near the end of The Girl on the Train: ‘He leans back on the sofa, his legs spread wide apart, the big man, taking up space.’ That women make up a large part of the readership of these novels would be no objection. Again there is nothing new here. Patriarchy thrives by encouraging women to feel contempt for themselves. ‘I don’t understand myself; I don’t understand the person I’ve become,’ laments Rachel, the first and main narrator of The Girl on the Train (she is the girl in question). ‘God, he must hate me. I hate me’ – self-hating and self-ignorant, both.

Let’s try to imagine that Oxford-educated Professor Rose’s bulletproof explanation that the patriarchy made women write these books, and then manipulated women into reading them is wrong.

What’s the reason for this morbid female interest?

With an increasing number of women entering the policeforce and becoming judges I think it should be a cause for concern.

- Is it raw hybristophilia, with women reading these sorts of books due to a sexual interest in the fictional male perpetrators?

- Why do the victims always seem to be young women?

- Is it that lower value women have a genetic interest in higher value women being taken out of the sexual market, so that books like this satisfy their hindbrain? Especially given that most of our evolutionary history has involved high female to male sex ratios, with an abundance of women.

- Or is it something else entirely?
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
Possibly the same reason(s) male serial killers have female groupies.
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
My mom watches lifetime network. Almost every movie involves a girl getting raped, kidnapped, or abused in some way. There must be a huge demand for that stuff.
Their hindbrain evolved to find a violent man to protect them. They all want a genghis khan.
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
Women are turned on by the implicit threat of violent men, but usually not the actual reality of it.

Most women also have rape fantasies, which is something they don't generally discuss. It's also something both conservative and liberal men like to pretend doesn't exist. Still, it's there in female-oriented literature and soap operas.

Violent men for women = strippers for men. We get turned on by the fantasy, but like to compartmentalize it and usually don't want to bring it home.
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
One of the multiple definitions of the word Frustration is a deep chronic sense or state of insecurity and dissatisfaction arising from unresolved problems or unfulfilled needs

Unfulfilled needs or the gap created by what is promised and what is delivered.

Women unique need in life is to be protected and guarded, principaly, from themselves and that's exactly what is denied to them by the feminist psy-op.
So that's what they focus on, talk and lie about all day, violent men lurking in the shadow, because they crave it, they need it.
How many throw their live away for a little of that "violent male" attention ?
For them it's directly correlated with their own worth, naively measuring the esteem in which they're held.

Having Game is good but how good is your Game in women currency is way more important.

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(09-01-2018 01:18 PM)blck Wrote:  One of the multiple definitions of the word Frustration is a deep chronic sense or state of insecurity and dissatisfaction arising from unresolved problems or unfulfilled needs

Unfulfilled needs or the gap created by what is promised and what is delivered.

Women unique need in life is to be protected and guarded, principaly, from themselves and that's exactly what is denied to them by the feminist psy-op.
So that's what they focus on, talk and lie about all day, violent men lurking in the shadow, because they crave it, they need it.
How many throw their live away for a little of that "violent male" attention ?
For them it's directly correlated with their own worth, naively measuring the esteem in which they're held.

Having Game is good but how good is your Game in women currency is way more important.

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I remember getting in a spat with my girlfriend when I was 20 and she was 18.

She said something like "You never get jealous! If I told you I was with a another guy you'd probably only say 'Yeah, but does he like Neil Young, maaan?'"

I told her that wasn't true because I'd want to know if he liked Brian Wilson. I was on a Beach Boys kick. She didn't find my joke funny at all.

Eventually, this "difference of opinion" blew up into a major argument. And I mean MAJOR. She said my laid-back ways made her feel like I was more of a brother figure than a boyfriend.

That was a seriously low blow, and after I heard it my Italian temper finally came out and I called her a "stupid bitch" among other things. I called her mother "a divorced slut" and said she was going to wind up like her mom.

Her response: "NOW you're turning me on!" For the record, she didn't wind up like her mother. She married an Italian guy who was a tougher, working-class version of me. There's a lesson there.
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
(09-01-2018 11:55 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  My mom watches lifetime network. Almost every movie involves a girl getting raped, kidnapped, or abused in some way. There must be a huge demand for that stuff.
Their hindbrain evolved to find a violent man to protect them. They all want a genghis khan.





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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
(09-01-2018 11:55 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  My mom watches lifetime network. Almost every movie involves a girl getting raped, kidnapped, or abused in some way. There must be a huge demand for that stuff.
Their hindbrain evolved to find a violent man to protect them. They all want a genghis khan.

But why is it always violence directed against women. Specifically young women in their teens or twenties?

(09-01-2018 01:18 PM)blck Wrote:  Women unique need in life is to be protected and guarded, principaly, from themselves and that's exactly what is denied to them by the feminist psy-op.
So that's what they focus on, talk and lie about all day, violent men lurking in the shadow, because they crave it, they need it.
How many throw their live away for a little of that "violent male" attention ?
For them it's directly correlated with their own worth, naively measuring the esteem in which they're held.

This would make sense since it is specifically men with the capacity for violence against women that interests the female consumers of these books, TV shows, films.

They're not reading books about violent men in general, but men who target young women.
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I think older women enjoying a book about young pretty girls getting abused is some serious sour grapes against younger competition. Either that or they are reliving their glory days of when some badass alpha male roughed them up. Either way, I'd steer clear of these types of women. Something ain't right about someone obsessed with such dark material.

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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
A lot of the reasons listed above are valid, but they don't apply to all women.

What applies to all women is a desire for emotional spikes. It doesn't matter if its positive or negative emotions, they crave it.

Once, when I was in college, my scholarship/student aid paperwork was delayed. It meant I couldn't register for classes or buy student football tickets until the scholarship money came. I went back to my fraternity house and told one of my friends about it. I was super pissed off and really vented. I didn't even notice that he had some girl in there. She followed me back to my apartment without even asking. It actually created a bit of a riff because he had been trying for a while to bang her, I didn't know and wasn't even trying. The point was she got very turned on by the extreme emotions. Some people confuse this with being alpha - there is overlap because alphas are more free to display their emotions due to their status. But just displaying intense emotions does it for women. There was an early PUA, Ross Jefferies, who wrote "scripts" that had these emotional triggers. Jefferies tried to hypnotize women with NLP, which is not a very effective strategy, but he wrote books full of fake stories with these emotional spikes.

On a secondary note, lots of women fantasize about being dominated, raped, or in distress and rescued. So you see these themes often, even in literature.
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While they are stuck in their lunacy they often neglect to acknowledge by their logic they are discriminating against those who don't identify with a particular gender or whatever acronyms they have for them.

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(09-02-2018 07:17 AM)Hypno Wrote:  "A lot of the reasons listed above are valid, but they don't apply to all women."

What applies to all women is a desire for emotional spikes. It doesn't matter if its positive or negative emotions, they crave it.

Once, when I was in college, my scholarship/student aid paperwork was delayed. It meant I couldn't register for classes or buy student football tickets until the scholarship money came. I went back to my fraternity house and told one of my friends about it. I was super pissed off and really vented. I didn't even notice that he had some girl in there. She followed me back to my apartment without even asking. It actually created a bit of a riff because he had been trying for a while to bang her, I didn't know and wasn't even trying. The point was she got very turned on by the extreme emotions. Some people confuse this with being alpha - there is overlap because alphas are more free to display their emotions due to their status. But just displaying intense emotions does it for women. There was an early PUA, Ross Jefferies, who wrote "scripts" that had these emotional triggers. Jefferies tried to hypnotize women with NLP, which is not a very effective strategy, but he wrote books full of fake stories with these emotional spikes.

On a secondary note, lots of women fantasize about being dominated, raped, or in distress and rescued. So you see these themes often, even in literature.

"A lot of the reasons listed above are valid, but they don't apply to all women."

Wait a minute. So you're saying "Not all women are like that? NAWALT??" OMG! Hypno just committed a sin of defiance against the manosphere by denying one of its major commendments! Get him! GET HIM! Grab the torches!! Tell Vox Day, Heartiste, and Dalrock it's time to make Hypno an outcast!!"

Actually, I agree with this. Women are drawn to emotion. This includes the fields they get into, which are usually people-oriented fields like nursing, teaching, or caring for old people, as opposed to staring at a screen.

If you want to dry a vagina, start droning on about something technical, like the stock market. If you want to excite a woman, create some drama.

This is a big reason Bad Boys win over predictable, responsible men. They drink and get into fights. Even if they don't, there is still the threat of that. And while not all women go for the drunken fights, all need emotional stimulation, not just intellectual engagement.

I also think this is why younger guys do better with women. You get older and you're less passionate about things. Stuff matters less. This might make for a more balanced life, but it's also a less sexy one.
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(09-01-2018 12:00 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Women are turned on by the implicit threat of violent men, but usually not the actual reality of it.

Most women also have rape fantasies, which is something they don't generally discuss. It's also something both conservative and liberal men like to pretend doesn't exist. Still, it's there in female-oriented literature and soap operas.

Violent men for women = strippers for men. We get turned on by the fantasy, but like to compartmentalize it and usually don't want to bring it home.

The main difference is that men don't get jealous about female fantasy figures and women do get jealous about male fantasies.

There are a million articles about situations like a woman finding pictures of centerfolds in their husbands phone and wailing: "How can I compete with that?"

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-->Because they are idiots. <--

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(09-02-2018 12:04 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(09-01-2018 12:00 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Women are turned on by the implicit threat of violent men, but usually not the actual reality of it.

Most women also have rape fantasies, which is something they don't generally discuss. It's also something both conservative and liberal men like to pretend doesn't exist. Still, it's there in female-oriented literature and soap operas.

Violent men for women = strippers for men. We get turned on by the fantasy, but like to compartmentalize it and usually don't want to bring it home.

The main difference is that men don't get jealous about female fantasy figures and women do get jealous about male fantasies.

There are a million articles about situations like a woman finding pictures of centerfolds in their husbands phone and wailing: "How can I compete with that?"

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(09-02-2018 12:04 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(09-01-2018 12:00 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Women are turned on by the implicit threat of violent men, but usually not the actual reality of it.

Most women also have rape fantasies, which is something they don't generally discuss. It's also something both conservative and liberal men like to pretend doesn't exist. Still, it's there in female-oriented literature and soap operas.

Violent men for women = strippers for men. We get turned on by the fantasy, but like to compartmentalize it and usually don't want to bring it home.

The main difference is that men don't get jealous about female fantasy figures and women do get jealous about male fantasies.

There are a million articles about situations like a woman finding pictures of centerfolds in their husbands phone and wailing: "How can I compete with that?"

The other thing women do when they find porn on their men is claim "That's immoral!" Yeah, as opposed to all her uber-moral friends with their trashy ankle tattoos sucking off their married bosses and/or college profs.

They also claim it's "exploitation of women!!" That's as opposed to keeping women chained to an office forty hours a week, where they develop bad backs and carpal tunnel and have to swallow handfuls of pills each morning just to face their dreary nowhere lives.

There's also an anti-Catholic rant I COULD go on here, but I'll refrain. For now, anyway.

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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
Cologne and Rotherham are different things - that is just mainstream indoctrination. The same women in South Korea marched at levels of 100.000+ when the same group of men were about to be let into Korea.

However we have to remember that women have some internal enjoyment of rape and violence. Violent sex is how things were done in the past. Countless times a tribe conquered another, slaughtered all the men and grabbed the women. The women who were biologically unable to attach themselves to the new men quickly - they died.

This female infatuation with rape, violence, especially against young fertile women - that is likely a remainder of that genetic link. The Dark Triad and bad boy love is the same thing - even if the bad boy is sometimes really bad and kills you. She just can't stop fucking him. And the guy can be even bad in bed and she still loves it.
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
Under rated ideas of game. We're all products of rape at some point. Women were evolved to literally love it. Makes for interesting times in modern society
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Days of Broken Arrows has an odd way of agreeing with me.

My point is that its less effective from a game perspective to focus on rape fantasies, because my view is that the degree to which women fantasize about violence varies considerably from woman to woman, although studies show its correlated with higher education.

Instead, the common denominator is emotional intensity. Ross Jefferies stumbled upon this while he was trying to hypnotize women in the 90s. He or an acolyte used to publish stuff under the name "Bishop"--you can read some of the scripts he would use to ramp up the emotional spikes.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/19090105/eBoo...-s-Journal

As far as rape fantasies, that is dangerous territory these days. I sometime tell women that I write erotic fiction, short stories, and I want to know what her fantasies are. That is a much safer way to elicit that information. There is an interesting film from the 90s, Sex Lies and Videotape, about the emotional intensity of this for women. (Guys wife and sister in law shares fantasies with guys impotent best friend, and chaos ensues.) The film was scandalous when it came out, today you are left waiting the for the scandal. But the point is the same - women have these intense fantasies and sharing them involves great intimacy.
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
Women have a lot of fantasies about the dark, unknown stranger that takes them. Of course in the way they want. Its a thrill to be at the edge. The emotional rollercoaster is real. At one of the first dates I had with my girl, she said she prefer stronger men. My response was, that I can smack her easy trough the room. She did mean a mental strong one - common phrase of women - but it was a reminder of physical differences in men and women. I'm not a violent person and she also know that. But it gave her a thrill.
I meet girls, that talk all kind of nonsense, but deep down they desire a man that takes what he wants. That use her - how much depends on the individual. If you have to go full abusive you are with a mental broken women. If you just have to go a little rough, its kind of normal. Soft of course as well.

Women are made for the emotion, the thrill. Men are emotional as well. Humans in general are just amazing to reason their emotional behaviour after. As a man, you work hard to bring your life to order, that things run smooth and you can relax. You just came back from hunting a deer or with your tribe some bigger animal, or you did your farming stuff. You risked your life in battles, you face the nature, hardship or in modern times your job. So all you want after the daily fights and struggles is to relax at home. Your woman instead, she don't stand in this responsibility, the only true responsibility she will ever have are her kids. Or in best case yours as well. So to escape all the gossip, she need emotional thrill. There are no hordes of men that will plunder and rape your village, no hardship to farm and survive. Modern women have a quite easy life - in the west - and therefore she fill her empty life with TV shows and social media drama. Sit at home and relax is the for sure way to make her bored. Add some ask for her confirmation and soft sex - you will be in trouble.

What consequences you take out of this are up to you. But yeah, its kind of the mans job not only to take care and be responsible, its also to lead and this means to do at least some kind of action that feed her emotional hamster.

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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
Maybe they're wired to be victims, and absent of any real existent threats, they go looking through the arts or their own creative minds.
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
I've found a partial explanation for the female fascination with rape and general indifference to it's actual occurrence here:

Quote:Why feminists support Islamic Rape Jihad

Doubtless you have heard of the recent Idaho gang rape.
This was Islamic Rape Jihad, not just Muslim rapists, because the girl was five, because the boys put it on video, because the boys expected the support of their community, and because the boys received the support of their community.

Feminist response to this rape shows what feminists really want. Everyone reacting to this in an indignant manner is a male who is in favor of patriarchy to a greater or lesser extent, and many of them want to completely reverse female emancipation.

In the ancestral environment, and indeed today’s environment, if a woman was property the way a cow is property, she was likely to have substantially greater reproductive success than a free woman. If a man was property the way a cow is property, likely to have zero reproductive success.

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And feminists, in supporting Rape Jihad, are unconsciously pursuing their optimal evolutionary reproductive strategy, which is to be sold by Islamic state naked in chains on the auction block. We are descended from free men and unfree women. Peoples, nations religions, cultures and groups with strong, proud, free, and independent women died out. They always die out.

TLDR: that since rapists treat women like property, and enslaved women produce more offspring, it's in their genetic interest to support and show an interest in rape.

This is a purely r-selected theory. It relies only on the quantity of offspring a women produces form the type of men who rape.

I think there's actually an explanation based on k-selection too.

Lower value, older, less fertile and less attractive women have an interest in seeing more fertile, younger, more attractive women being raped since it reduces competition for higher value men and their genetics.

Any women in a tribe who have been raped will be considered untouchable and the higher value men will not pursue them. Hence the lower value women go up the pecking order. The rape of younger more fertile women will therefore likely increase the quality of genetics lower value women get access to.

The result would be that it is only really higher value k-selected women, and men who have a genuine interest in preventing rape.

If anyone thinks this is extreme just look at the total lack of female concern for the islamic rape gangs in England and the 'not your women' campaign in Sweden.
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
Western* women

because they're bored entitled slobs
04-01-2019 07:06 PM
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
(09-01-2018 01:34 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  I called her a "stupid bitch" among other things. I called her mother "a divorced slut" and said she was going to wind up like her mom.
Her response: "NOW you're turning me on!"

Sounds like my ex-wife. She thrived on conflict. I can't speak for other men but I hate that aspect of women. I don't like having to turn things into a warzone to get her hot and bothered.
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RE: Why do Women Read and Write Books About Violence Against Women?
In academia, from what I've seen, is to make themselves feel important, or to justify their toxic beliefs against men. The more compelling thing, is why don't they write about violence against men. Believe it or not there are left-wing academics out there who do, and other men's issues. Like for example: men fighting in wars, men in prisons, lack of men in colleges, overdose deaths, suicides, etc...

If i remember correctly there is one shelter for men who are victims of domestic violence at the hands of their female partners. Funny enough, lesbians are more violent against their partners than heterosexual women as well.

Another question you have to ask yourself, is why are they so immersed about 3rd wave feminism while women in Saudi Arabia and parts of the middle east still lack basic civil rights, and are being stoned to death for adultery. You never get a good answer on that.

Violent crime (including rapes) has been going down in the West for years now. It's never been a better time to women. But perhaps these feminists have to justify their research budgets. Among the few worth listening to are Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Summers. Both are reasonably red-pilled for feminists. And offer some compelling perspectives on modern inter-sectional feminism, and some thoughts on how the feminist movement lost its path.
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