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Serbia Kosovo Border Swap
Like many people here, I have an interest in the Balkans. I visited the region a few years ago and really liked it. I think there could be a lot of tourism and investment potential there, but just because there hasn't been outright military hostility since the Kosovo conflict doesn't mean that everyone holds hands and sings Kumbaya. A lot of tension still seethes below the surface.

Recently there's been some media coverage about the proposed border swap between Kosovo and Serbia. While I read about the region I'm not extremely knowledgeable about it and I'm not sure what it all means. I started this thread to see what opinions forum members have, especially those that may have a better understanding of the situation.


Here's a summary of what has been reported so far:

- Serbia and Kosovo are both interested in EU membership, but this idea will not be entertained by the EU until the two countries "normalize" relations which presumably includes official recognition of Kosovo by Serbia.

- The two countries proposed swapping regions - Kosovo would take an area of Serbia that is predominantly ethnic Albanian and vice versa.

- The heads of state for the two nations had agreed to meet in Brussels yesterday (Sep 7 2018). Opposition politicians in Kosovo organized mass protests with the reason given being that the proposed deal threatens Kosovo's "territorial integrity"

- Bolton released a statement saying the US would not interfere in the process and would go along with whatever they decide:

Quote:Our policy, the U.S. policy, is that if the two parties can work it out between themselves and reach agreement, we don’t exclude territorial adjustments. It’s really not for us to say...We would not stand in the way, and I don’t think anybody in Europe would stand in the way if the two parties to the dispute reached a mutually satisfactory settlement
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Quote:According to two sources familiar with Trump administration’s thinking, the new policy is “no red lines but no blank cheques”, meaning the US is willing to look at any solution, including border changes, but will not necessarily endorse it in the end. Some EU officials have hinted they may also be willing to back a deal that involves border changes.

The Guardian now refers to it as "the US backed plan" which seems like a weird interpretation to me.

- As it turns out, the italicized part of the Bolton quote is not true, and several European actors have spoken out against the idea. Most notably Merkel:

Quote:The territorial integrity of the states of the Western Balkans has been established and is inviolable...This has to be said again and again because again and again there are attempts to perhaps talk about borders and we can't do that


Her reasoning is that pushing for the existence of states based on ethnicity sets a dangerous precedent.

- Merkel's stance has been criticized by the European Commission and the EU's Enlargement Commissioner (great job title).

- Various parties also oppose the idea arguing that it could reignite ethnic tensions in the regions and lead to similar movements not just in the Balkans but also in Ukraine.

Quote:The idea to partition Kosovo [is] just a reboot of Milosevic’s ‘Greater Serbia’ project, and as then, the ultimate target is not Kosovo but Bosnia and Herzegovina,” Jasmin Mujanovic, an analyst of the Balkans, told Newsweek. “If the international community agrees to a ‘land swap’ in Kosovo, Vucic [president of Serbia] will next insist — as he and his underlings already do — that Bosnia and Herzegovina is a non-functional state and that its eastern territories, those ethnically cleansed by the Milosevic regime in the 1990s and now known as the ‘Republika Srpska,’ are better off with Serbia

The UK also opposes the plan. Russia has only given vague statements.

Quote:Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry, said it was down to Belgrade and Pristina to agree a deal, but pointedly said “the deal has to reflect the interests of the Serb people” if Russia is to back it. She declined to clarify how Russia would assess these interests.

However RT reports "Kosovo-Seriva land swap could send whole region into turmoil."

https://www.rt.com/news/437583-kosovo-serbia-land-swap/

- The proposed meeting between the two presidents did not take place yesterday. The following article reports that the Serbian president wanted to visit Gazivode Lake in Northern Kosovo but was not given permission whereas other sources such as Reuters say both presidents called off the talks or the talks "fell through".

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/...09-07-2018

Here's another interpretation:
Quote: [Serbian government official] Djuric added that "there are not minimum conditions to talk to the representatives of Pristina today." Djuric cited "all the threats and deceits" from Kosovo that he says have made the meeting impossible

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As usual it seems there's a lot going on below the surface that isn't being reported, but in many of these cases it's difficult to understand the motivations. It seems that the US/UK's desire has always been to integrate Serbia into the Western economic system (hence the "humanitarian intervention" by "NATO" in 1999), and therefore integration into the EU would be their top priority, so I'm not understanding why the US and UK are diverging here unless post-Brexit UK prefers to limit EU expansion. As for Germany, Merkel's motivations seem pretty transparent in light of her domestic policy of actively eroding ethnic homogeneity.

Austria and Luxembourg oppose the border swap while Belgium and Romania echo Bolton's sentiment that it's up to the two sides to work it out.

So what is really going on here? It seemed there was a lot of momentum for the talks and then they fall apart at the last minute. Did they really intend to meet or was it all a big game of chicken? If so what was the purpose of all the posturing?

This is where my understanding of the situation reaches its limits so what are your thoughts?
09-08-2018 12:32 PM
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Brilliant, allowing Kosovo or any part of Bosnia into the EU permanently seals the fate of the EU to a horrible death that will consume Europe.
09-08-2018 01:00 PM
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There is nothing to discuss with Kosovo terrorists, keep the conflict frozen and wait for the right opportunity to bring it back into fold.

Unfortunately, the current Serbian government was slowly brought to power from the West with the explicit goal of surrendering Kosovo, you can't imagine the amount of media (99% of it is in total control of traitors) brainwashing operation that is active right now in Serbia.

Kosovo is Serbia is more then a slogan. If the Serbs surrender it, then it is only a matter of time before we vanish as a people. Nothing that I write here will give a good enough picture to you of how important Kosovo is for us.
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For those that don't know:

http://www.kosovo.net/kosbitka.html
09-09-2018 02:37 AM
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Kosovo is Serbia. Always was, always will be.

There's a reason why the flag of the modern state of Kosovo is modelled on the flag of the EU.

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(09-08-2018 01:00 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Brilliant, allowing Kosovo or any part of Bosnia into the EU permanently seals the fate of the EU to a horrible death that will consume Europe.

Care to explain? I have a very strong interest in needing to know whether there will be war in Kosovo within the next year.
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Kosovo has no business being an independent country because Albania will swallow it up as part of their "Greater Albania" campaign. If it were up to me, the Serbs would have Kosovo back (and Albania will cease to exist as a country)
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I don't really have an opinion on where Kosovo belongs myself and am of course no fan of Albanians, but from what I see in Serbian media I'm sorry to say that the issue has turned into a stock "retard conservative" talking point just like the 1991 War of Independence or abortion have been turned into in Croatia. Instead of focusing on actionable conservative issues (for example keeping Serbia out of EU and NATO, tremendous left-wing corruption, religious freedom, migrant invasion...) that could actually get them into power someday, all the "conservatives" just blindly latch onto Kosovo, turning off most of the population.

The fact is, Kosovo isn't coming back. It's a disaster for sure, it might be unfair and we can debate whether it was the population dynamics or the globalist NATO intervention or something else that sealed its fate, but it's gone. And the sooner Serbian conservatives accept that, the sooner Serbia will be able to recover from it.

Don't be like the Greek conservatives who spend most of their time obsessing over how Macedonia is called. Move on and save your country in ways that it can still be saved.

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(11-05-2018 02:38 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  The fact is, Kosovo isn't coming back. It's a disaster for sure, it might be unfair and we can debate whether it was the population dynamics or the globalist NATO intervention or something else that sealed its fate, but it's gone. And the sooner Serbian conservatives accept that, the sooner Serbia will be able to recover from it.

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Western part of Balkans under Ottoman rule (in years). Red lines outline the borders of Serbia and Montenegro in 1878, when both countries achieve full independence. The other territories were liberated in Balkan Wars and WWI (1912-1918).

My ancestors waited for over 450 years to liberate Kosovo, but I should give up after less then 20 years of NATO occupation?!
11-05-2018 03:50 AM
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I agree with you, but look at it this way: the Ottomans did not manage to extinguish Serbia in 450 years of occupying/neighboring the country (one might argue if that was even their aim at all). EU/US/globalists, on the other hand, are quite clear about it and are currently well on track to do it in less than 100. It's an absolute disaster, same as with every other ex-Yugoslavia country.

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Just curious, why were the globalists supporting Kosovo? Is it a shoe-in for (((them))) to rid the planet of woke Serbs or was it more to do with gaining an EE foothold against Russia back in the 90's?

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(09-08-2018 12:32 PM)Sisyphus Wrote:  Austria and Luxembourg oppose the border swap while Belgium and Romania echo Bolton's sentiment that it's up to the two sides to work it out.

Yeah of course our FM Asselborn opposes it. He is not only a disgrace for Luxembourg, but a plain dumb person without education whatsoever.

(11-05-2018 04:14 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Just curious, why were the globalists supporting Kosovo? Is it a shoe-in for (((them))) to rid the planet of woke Serbs or was it more to do with gaining an EE foothold against Russia back in the 90's?

Kosovo has some minerals which are very interesting for them + drug markets from Afghanistan go until Kosovo + foothold against Russia + organ market
11-05-2018 09:23 AM
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(11-05-2018 04:14 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Just curious, why were the globalists supporting Kosovo? Is it a shoe-in for (((them))) to rid the planet of woke Serbs or was it more to do with gaining an EE foothold against Russia back in the 90's?

Camp Bondsteel is the main reason. Base for the future war against Russia.

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No one to blame but the Serbs. They got outbred.

HCE is correct, Kosovo is gone. It's not coming back.
11-05-2018 01:26 PM
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I am concerned because I have the option to work (as An American law student) for Kosovo. I assume the goal will be basic research and drafting motions to have Kosovo be recognized.

I am deeply conflicted and am considering rejecting the offer, because I perceive this as globalism at its worst. Would any of you have any recommendations for me? Are there any salvageable reasons for going...?
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(11-05-2018 03:51 PM)Trumps Intern Wrote:  I am concerned because I have the option to work (as An American law student) for Kosovo. I assume the goal will be basic research and drafting motions to have Kosovo be recognized.

I am deeply conflicted and am considering rejecting the offer, because I perceive this as globalism at its worst. Would any of you have any recommendations for me? Are there any salvageable reasons for going...?

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This is a photo of Albanian KLA "liberators" with the heads of Serbian POWs made in the April of '99 during NATO aggression. They were under direct command of the current Prime Minister of Kosovo, Ramus Haradinaj. The boy on the right (who is actually the son of the brave Shqiptar in the middle) is now a lieutenant in the Kosovo Security Forces.

This is the type of people you will be dealing with on Kosovo, and that your government supports. Drug dealers, war criminals, illegal human organ traffickers (harvested mostly from Serbian civilians of course).

Disclaimer: I'm a Serb living in Serbia so do your own research in case you think I'm biased.
11-06-2018 08:05 AM
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I rejected the offer after your post. This, plus other evidence I have based on researching the history of this conflict, make me realize that I cannot take this job without committing a horrible sin.
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http://www.unz.com/tsaker/kosovo-will-be-liberated/

Maybe this article will interest readers.
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Okay, by now ever since this thread was first made its pretty obvious that its very unlikely that there is going to be a border swap or ethnic land partition of Kosovo. I feel its relevant to make this comment now in light of certain recent events there that will be covered later.

The parties most strongly opposed to this are certain EU and NATO elites. The international "Western" order would be strongly destabilized by endorsing an ethnic partition/border swap as it would go completely against their whole multi-culti and "diversity is our greatest strength" doctrines. Accepting and allowing a border swap would literally be a blatant demonstration of their hypocrisy and infuriate the populations of their own countries for having to put up with "diversity" while allowing people elsewhere around the world to consider it legitimate to pursue ethnic segregation and border swaps. This is something far too dangerous and risky to allow for the EU/NATO/US elites.

However, some in EU/NATO/US ranks do support this proposal because it practically allows them to "solve" the Serbia "Kosovo" dispute. This is why people like Frederica Mogherini are eager for this because it allows them to practically claim personal glory and fame. This is also why Vucic and Thaci seem to support this as well. Doing a border swap would allow them to claim "victory" in securing stable international relations similar to the Prespa agreement between "North Macedonia" and Greece. Of course, the Greek-Macedonia agreement solved nothing as both populations are deeply unhappy with the agreement (Ask any Greek or "Macedonian" and you will know this to be true). Similarly, both Albanians who are agitating for Kosovo and parts of South Serbia to be annexed into a Greater Albania would be unhappy with it while Serbs simply absolutely refuse to recognize "Kosovo" as can be seen if they are asked. A border swap would have a similar practical effect between Serbia and "Kosovo" as the Macedonia agreement. All the Greece-Macedonia agreement and potential Serbia-Kosovo border swaps would achieve long term is incorporation into the EU/NATO.

It’s clear that the contradictory stances over a border swap come from division within the ranks of the EU/NATO/US elites above all. After all, guys like John Bolton that are obsessed with invading Iran and Venezuela don't have the time to immerse themselves in "petty Balkan Affairs" so they're open to a border swap. It’s a very good thing that the USA under Trump isn't actively and directly concerning itself with the Balkans (this could always change in the future) which is something I strongly approve of despite Trump's other flaws.

Since i'm Serbian, my opinion is that Serbia should never recognize Kosovo in any way, shape or form as an independent province for 4 reasons:

1: This is literally the cradle and heart of Serbian culture and the Serbian people. Explaining the meaning and importance of Kosovo for Serbs to non-Serbians would be difficult, but it would be most simple to explain it by saying that it is the heart and cradle of Serbian culture, history, religion, and people-hood, not just in an abstract sense, but also in a literal and physical way. Surrendering Kosovo would be even more devastating for Serbia than it would be for the USA to surrender California or Texas to Mexican or Hispanic separatists. Serbs have undergone immense struggle and suffering to survive and exist on the province of Kosovo. The documentary “Stolen Kosovo” by Czech producer Vaclav Dvorak is the best source translated to English that I can find which explains the truth about the history of Kosovo and the struggle of Serbs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1dtOAGD0pk

It would be an outright betrayal of the sacrifice of my countrymen and ancestors to surrender Kosovo ...

2: Time is on Serbia's side as the international situation in the world is clearly becoming more and more favorable for Serbia as the forces that are pressuring Serbia to surrender Kosovo, which are the EU/NATO/US, are clearly becoming weaker and more blatantly illegitimate on a global level. Things like the rising of "far right" nativism in the west which cause internal instability and uncertainty are a blessing in many ways as the EU/NATO/US elites will shift their focus internally. Also, the fact that the US is making bizarre threats of war to countries like Venezuela and Iran but can't fully bring itself to invade them is also a sign of relief for Serbia as US failures to invade these countries also translate into potential US inability to bomb Serbia again over Kosovo or whatever else.

Likewise, countries like Russia and China becoming stronger are also a good sign for Serbia as these countries also support Serbia's position on the Kosovo dispute. While China tends to simply abstain in UN resolutions and takes little action when it dislikes something that concerns somewhere far from it, Russia is more actively and strongly pro-Serbian which is something that's obvious and surprises no one.

For all the propaganda that the majority of the "international community" recognizes "Kosovo", this isn't really true as the countries that recognize Kosovo are barely more numerous than those who don't. Those that do are all basically EU/NATO/US countries or puppets of other sorts. Other significant countries like India, Brazil, Israel and even EU members like Spain, Greece, Romania, Slovakia and Cyprus also support Serbia. Here's a map and most recent update of recognition v non-recognition which is important as some countries frequently change their position, especially more and more into Serbia's favor in recent years:

https://www.google.com/search?q=2019+cou...e&ie=UTF-8

3: Serbia's practical situation and position regarding Kosovo is actually much better than most people think, even in Serbia. What's actually surprising and impressive is that the official demographic statistics of Kosovo are completely false, and Serbs are actually demographically winning.

Official demographic statistics state that Kosovo has a total population of 2 million and that 1.8 million of these are Albanian while no more than 200,000 are Serbs. The figure of there being a total population of 2 million people in Kosovo is absolutely unreal. Kosovo is an extremely small piece of land that is half the size of Vojvodina (North Serbia) which has a total population of 2 million people. Another important fact is that half of Kosovo itself consists of mountains, hills and other uninhabitable terrain. This means that it is literally, theoretically and practically impossible that Kosovo has a population of 1 million people or more.

For reference to compare Vojvodina and Kosovo province sizes, check here:

http://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/20...Serbia.png

Considering this, it would thus be more logical that there are 200,00 Serbs out of a total 1 million people on Kosovo. Around 750,000 of these are Albanians since at least 50,000 must be given space to include for other ethnic groups like Gypsies, Gorani and etc. This means that unlike the official statements of Serbs being only 5% of Kosovo, it is factually impossible for them to be less than 20% of the population of Kosovo. This is still a minority, but a minority significant enough that if it performs better with the Total Fertility Rates and Emigration Rates compared to the rival Albanian population, it will absolutely beat them in the long term over a few decades.

What's also interesting is that the information on the Birth Rates of the ethnic groups is non-existent in mainstream sources. Same thing for the information on Emigration Rates.

While birth rates are unclear, I'm personally convinced that the Serbian birth rate is actually higher than the Albanian one in Kosovo and that the Serbian birth rate is also significantly above 2.1 on average while the Albanian one is below 2.1 on average. I'm convinced of this because of several Serbian sources not in English that include alternative media but also come from Serbs actually living on Kosovo or connected to it in some way. I would link them here but it’s useless to do so as they’re not in English. Possible explanations for this include the current immense economic poverty of Albanians which is even greater than that of Serbians and an inflow of cultural degeneracy among other things.

Still, the Total Fertility Rates (TFR) can be extensively disputed but regardless, Serbs are indisputably winning when it comes to having lower rates of emigration. The fact that in Kosovo, Albanians are literally publicly in broad daylight crowding around foreign embassies desperate for access to the EU or other western countries speaks a lot about the fact that they have catastrophic emigration issues without needing to look at any statistics. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31967471

This doesn't change the fact that the Serbian population in Serbia besides Kosovo is also suffering from low birth rates and emigration issues but what really matters is for the Serbian demographic position to at least be superior to that of Albanians, even though it may overall be poor.

Of course, this unfortunately doesn't change the fact that the Serb population of Kosovo is subject to discrimination, persecution and ethnic cleansing. This is illustrated by the most recent "provocation" which is effectively a threat to ethnically cleanse the Serb population: https://balkaninsight.com/2019/05/28/kos...ity-north/

Basically, the Albanian "Kosovo" police which is all former KLA/UCK, conducted a raid deep in the Serb majority enclave of Kosovo's north under the official pretext of "dealing with crime". Considering they went deep into Serb territory and the people who are claiming they’re dealing with crime are the real criminals, it’s a clear and blatant provocative threat.

The truth is that Serbia doesn't De Facto control Kosovo but the whole point of this dispute is that Albanians with the EU/NATO/US are trying to pressure Serbia into surrendering its De Jure right to own Kosovo as a province. Still, the fact that the Albanians in Kosovo have to resort to blatantly provocative threats like the above, but which also include recent things like placing 100% tariffs on Serbian and Bosnian goods into Kosovo, is actually a sign of the weakness of their position, not strength.
Here's information on the tariffs: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46287975

Its only logical to expect more desperate and reckless provocations and threats from Albanians in Kosovo in the future as their position continues to slowly but gradually deteriorate over time. Its arguably even to some degree necessary for them to ethnically cleanse and pressure Serbs as if they leave the Serbs alone, they’ll simply lose without a single shot being fired (Which is the best-case scenario really).

4: Surrendering Kosovo would lead to the collapse and dissolution of Serbia as a country and open the door to several other forms of separatist movements to secede and declare independence.

Most people don't know this, but Serbia is actually a multi-ethnic country contrary to all the genocide propaganda in international media. The 3 separatist groups I could immediately see popping up and agitating would first be the Bosniak leader Muamer Zukorlic in Novi Pazar (just west of Kosovo) agitating for his own little independent Novi Pazar city state. The 2nd would be the Vojvodina separatists who would of course be mostly Hungarians but would actually include many corrupt and selfish Serbs seeking more money and other petty things regardless of betraying the territorial integrity of their country. The 3rd group would be Bulgarian separatists in South-East Serbia who would agitate for some kind of separatist Bulgarian state-let or incorporation into Bulgaria. Regardless of how likely each of these groups is to actually succeed in future separatist endeavors, what's clear is that all of them would be strengthened by Serbia surrendering Kosovo and that would make their chances of success much higher.

What will actually happen? I frankly don't know and can't say for certain. I don't even think all the other actors and observers of the situation are really certain of what's going to happen. Nobody can be certain of the outcome, besides the fact that this obviously isn’t going to be easily “resolved” like the Greece Macedonia dispute. I suppose it’s worth looking out for the upcoming June meeting between Thaci and Vucic to see if anything will change or simply keep updated with future news. Recognition of Kosovo should absolutely be resisted short of NATO/US threatening another bombing over it and if the choice comes down to recognizing Kosovo with or without a border swap (this assumes recognition anyway), the border swap is better. As much as a border swap would be a defeat for Serbia, it would also at least be a defeat for the EU/NATO/US as well since they would be forced to undermine their own international order for a political victory in the Balkans.

I personally think that despite all the gloom and doom defeatism, Serbia will actually be able to somehow continue to get away with not recognizing Kosovo in the future as it’s been 11 years since “Kosovo” declared independence in 2008 and Serbia hasn’t recognized it after all this time. If the EU/NATO/US were all undisputedly more powerful in 2008 than they are in 2019, i don't see why Serbia should cave in to forces that are becoming increasingly weaker after every single year. Above all, Vucic is simply too afraid to do it despite him making cuck declarations like "Kosovo is lost". https://www.reuters.com/article/us-serbi...SKCN1SX1U2

If Vucic recognized Kosovo, it would lead to either someone assassinating him or some kind of serious civil unrest inside Serbia in the form of intense rioting at the very least. Possibly even civil war in Serbia. In some ways, this is ultimately a matter of faith and belief as much as it is of politics. Even if Vucic officially recognizes "Kosovo", what would truly still matter is the faith that the Serbian people have of Kosovo being rightfully their land in the future more than anything else. They would simply have to endure and wait some time until the opportunity comes to completely reverse all this nonsense. I don’t see the EU/NATO/US killing this faith among the Serbian people unless they go out of their way to physically exterminate us.

"And guess what, you might have a feeling that youre destined for something else, and that any day now it will dawn on you, but it will remain that, just a feeling that you use as a crutch to never focus on anything", Beirut.
05-30-2019 11:49 PM
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