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Gossip and slander on the right. Same as it ever was. This movement will peak, and then tear itself apart, just like last time.

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Personally I'm torn on who to support.

How many gays and transvestites does each have on their roster?

We need to start a baseball card style system for documenting credentials. I'm calling dibs on the #0001 Fuentes rookie card.

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RE: The Owen Benjamin Thread
(11-05-2019 10:08 PM)Baa Baa Black Sheep Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 09:01 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 08:38 PM)Baa Baa Black Sheep Wrote:  To counter signal by slandering Nick Fuentes, his family, and his supporters in his livestream today.

How/where did he slander Fuentes' family?

https://youtu.be/prFzSBwKTFw

Beginning at 05:00 to 18:40 just non-stop personal attacks and an accusation that his sister is a lesbian married to a black woman.

None of his arguments make sense since Owen was the first one to call racial identity into question by posting a picture of Nick’s dad on Instagram a few months ago and claim that Fuentes is some Sephardic Jewish name, in an attempt to discredit him. Then, when groypers hit back with how much of a fucking nutcase Owen’s father was as well as discover his Jewish ancestry, he completely melts down under scrutiny, pretends like he never brought this upon himself, and projects his deepest insecurity and self loathing on to Nick and his supporters.

Doing this now while we are waging war with Conservative Inc doesn’t make him some ignorable kook, it makes him an active enemy of this movement and what it stands for. (Demographics/Christianity/America First)

Owen also said that since Fuentes has a blue checkmark and a monetized YouTube channel it makes him a snitch. It's suspect, I guess, but Fuentes hasn't done anything that indicates he's a fed. Big accusations need big evidence. Roosh is also a snitch by that logic too.

I like Owen and have defended him in the past, but denying the Jewish genetic link (and implying race doesn't exist/matter) and throwing around words like 'white nationalist' and 'incel Nazis' (12:48) isn't helping us.

Honestly, he's starting to sound like Charlie Kirk.
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(11-06-2019 02:16 AM)VNvet Wrote:  Owen also said that since Fuentes has a blue checkmark and a monetized YouTube channel it makes him a snitch.

This is a classic one, seen time and again, even on this forum.

Successful?
Not immediately shut down?
Been on national tv and not called a nazi the entire time?

You must be a sellout, controlled op, or being misdirected by a handler.

It's mostly a coping mechanism from people who were successful and then lost it, or those who were never given a fair shake from the word go. They cannot allow that these tragedies would not befall anyone even close to as pure-of-intention as themselves.

To clarify: I think mainstream acceptance is suspect, but not perfectly indicative of foul play.
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(11-06-2019 04:22 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 02:16 AM)VNvet Wrote:  Owen also said that since Fuentes has a blue checkmark and a monetized YouTube channel it makes him a snitch.

This is a classic one, seen time and again, even on this forum.

Successful?
Not immediately shut down?
Been on national tv and not called a nazi the entire time?

You must be a sellout, controlled op, or being misdirected by a handler.

It's mostly a coping mechanism from people who were successful and then lost it, or those who were never given a fair shake from the word go. They cannot allow that these tragedies would not befall anyone even close to as pure-of-intention as themselves.

Can you explain the mechanism as to how people can go on national TV? Is the mechanism solid/provable enough that you know it is more of a coping mechanism as opposed to a description of reality?
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RE: The Owen Benjamin Thread
Nick Fuentes is definitely in the right. Keep in mind all of this started after a superchatter brought up Owen Benjamin to Nick and asked if he would be willing to do another stream since they "agreed on everything." Nick said that he would be willing to do a stream with Owen but also said something like "I wouldn't say that we agree on everything." That was why Owen attacked him. It's literally starting a fight over nothing.







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(11-06-2019 01:12 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 04:22 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 02:16 AM)VNvet Wrote:  Owen also said that since Fuentes has a blue checkmark and a monetized YouTube channel it makes him a snitch.

This is a classic one, seen time and again, even on this forum.

Successful?
Not immediately shut down?
Been on national tv and not called a nazi the entire time?

You must be a sellout, controlled op, or being misdirected by a handler.

It's mostly a coping mechanism from people who were successful and then lost it, or those who were never given a fair shake from the word go. They cannot allow that these tragedies would not befall anyone even close to as pure-of-intention as themselves.

Can you explain the mechanism as to how people can go on national TV? Is the mechanism solid/provable enough that you know it is more of a coping mechanism as opposed to a description of reality?

Are you asking me if I have a method for getting on national tv without being a demon? I don't really understand your question.

My point was that merely being successful and getting wide exposure is not indicative, in and of itself, of being evil.
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(11-06-2019 12:49 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Personally I'm torn on who to support.

How many gays and transvestites does each have on their roster?

We need to start a baseball card style system for documenting credentials. I'm calling dibs on the #0001 Fuentes rookie card.

It'll be like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, they'll execute you on the spot for carrying that bad boy.

Your defence of it being in its silver foil and not knowing that it was part of a booster pack won't cut mustard in late stage USA.
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(11-06-2019 05:40 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 01:12 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 04:22 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 02:16 AM)VNvet Wrote:  Owen also said that since Fuentes has a blue checkmark and a monetized YouTube channel it makes him a snitch.

This is a classic one, seen time and again, even on this forum.

Successful?
Not immediately shut down?
Been on national tv and not called a nazi the entire time?

You must be a sellout, controlled op, or being misdirected by a handler.

It's mostly a coping mechanism from people who were successful and then lost it, or those who were never given a fair shake from the word go. They cannot allow that these tragedies would not befall anyone even close to as pure-of-intention as themselves.

Can you explain the mechanism as to how people can go on national TV? Is the mechanism solid/provable enough that you know it is more of a coping mechanism as opposed to a description of reality?

Are you asking me if I have a method for getting on national tv without being a demon? I don't really understand your question.

My point was that merely being successful and getting wide exposure is not indicative, in and of itself, of being evil.

Nope, you have to explain everything down to the smallest detail, or the vague suspicions of others will be taken as a given.

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(11-06-2019 02:16 AM)VNvet Wrote:  Owen also said that since Fuentes has a blue checkmark and a monetized YouTube channel it makes him a snitch. It's suspect, I guess, but Fuentes hasn't done anything that indicates he's a fed. Big accusations need big evidence. Roosh is also a snitch by that logic too.

I like Owen and have defended him in the past, but denying the Jewish genetic link (and implying race doesn't exist/matter) and throwing around words like 'white nationalist' and 'incel Nazis' (12:48) isn't helping us.

Honestly, he's starting to sound like Charlie Kirk.

By that logic, Roosh is a snitch XD

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(11-06-2019 05:40 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 01:12 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 04:22 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 02:16 AM)VNvet Wrote:  Owen also said that since Fuentes has a blue checkmark and a monetized YouTube channel it makes him a snitch.

This is a classic one, seen time and again, even on this forum.

Successful?
Not immediately shut down?
Been on national tv and not called a nazi the entire time?

You must be a sellout, controlled op, or being misdirected by a handler.

It's mostly a coping mechanism from people who were successful and then lost it, or those who were never given a fair shake from the word go. They cannot allow that these tragedies would not befall anyone even close to as pure-of-intention as themselves.

Can you explain the mechanism as to how people can go on national TV? Is the mechanism solid/provable enough that you know it is more of a coping mechanism as opposed to a description of reality?

Are you asking me if I have a method for getting on national tv without being a demon? I don't really understand your question.

My point was that merely being successful and getting wide exposure is not indicative, in and of itself, of being evil.

First of all, evil is different from being a sellout, or controlled op, or having a handler.

My theory is it's unlikely you're able to get sustained media attention without the latter. Which is why they don't make the process transparent.

In a world where merit or sensationalism drives whether you get featured on the media or not, theoretically the media would just lay their cards down, be honest about the criteria, and everyone would know it and try really hard accordingly, and the resulting winners would really crush it and you'd have good content on TV. Instead you have the current reality.

Thus, to conclude it's a coping mechanism, you'll have to suggest reasons why this theory or other similar theories like that are wrong, which you'll need to know the mechanism/s behind how people get promoted by media.
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(11-06-2019 05:58 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 05:40 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 01:12 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 04:22 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 02:16 AM)VNvet Wrote:  Owen also said that since Fuentes has a blue checkmark and a monetized YouTube channel it makes him a snitch.

This is a classic one, seen time and again, even on this forum.

Successful?
Not immediately shut down?
Been on national tv and not called a nazi the entire time?

You must be a sellout, controlled op, or being misdirected by a handler.

It's mostly a coping mechanism from people who were successful and then lost it, or those who were never given a fair shake from the word go. They cannot allow that these tragedies would not befall anyone even close to as pure-of-intention as themselves.

Can you explain the mechanism as to how people can go on national TV? Is the mechanism solid/provable enough that you know it is more of a coping mechanism as opposed to a description of reality?

Are you asking me if I have a method for getting on national tv without being a demon? I don't really understand your question.

My point was that merely being successful and getting wide exposure is not indicative, in and of itself, of being evil.

First of all, evil is different from being a sellout, or controlled op, or having a handler.

My theory is it's unlikely you're able to get sustained media attention without the latter. Which is why they don't make the process transparent.

In a world where merit or sensationalism drives whether you get featured on the media or not, theoretically the media would just lay their cards down, be honest about the criteria, and everyone would know it and try really hard accordingly, and the resulting winners would really crush it and you'd have good content on TV. Instead you have the current reality.

Thus, to conclude it's a coping mechanism, you'll have to suggest reasons why this theory or other similar theories like that are wrong, which you'll need to know the mechanism/s behind how people get promoted by media.

Got it, thanks for clarifying.

"it's unlikely you're able to get sustained media attention" -- yes, I agree with that.

What I don't agree with is that getting media attention period = sellout, or controlled op, or having a handler in 100% of cases.

The burden of proof is on the people making that claim.

So while it's unlikely, it's not impossible. Success/media attention does not immediately mark someone out as having bad info or disinfo. I'm not sure why you would say that I have to know the steps to get on national tv to be able to make that statement. Instead I would say I have heard the truth uttered on national tv.

I also don't agree with your description of a meritocracy just being "honest about the criteria". Off the top of my head, a few reasons why: 1. tastes change, so the criteria would be constantly changing, 2. not spelling out the criteria could be part of a rational screening mechanism to see if someone else can figure it out on their own, 3. most people lack the ability to clearly delineate and then consistently apply rules, 4. entertainment/punditry/creativity is very hard to nail down with concrete descriptive rules, etc etc.

I'm not saying it would be a bad idea to try to lay out criteria, nor that current national tv is a meritocracy. Just responding to your statement.

This all came about because of the quote "Owen also said that since Fuentes has a blue checkmark and a monetized YouTube channel it makes him a snitch."

The burden of proof would be on Owen (if he indeed did say that, and it wasn't just a joke or taken out of context). Saying "because you haven't been kicked off Twitter" is not proof, nor a convincing argument.

It does not follow that because he himself was kicked off Twitter or de-monetized on youtube, that anyone else who has not suffered those blows should be written off or not trusted. It provides us with some interesting info, but it doesn't offer conclusive proof, and to treat it like conclusive proof shows (in my opinion) a mental lapse.

If me and my clone went to a dinner party, and my clone talked about Jew and fag conspiracies all night without prompting, whereas I engaged my hosts and made them laugh and so on, and at the end of the night they kicked him out and barred him from returning, would it be rational for him to accuse me of having their same political beliefs?

No, it would be a coping mechanism.

If he instead said "to be able to hang out at most of these dinner parties you have to be much more subtle than I am willing to be, and I will not waste any effort trying to persuade these people with other means than bare polemic and vitriol", that would be a rational assessment . And if he then said that we could expect, at future dinner parties, a majority of people who were in line with their political beliefs, then I would agree.
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I believe he has a weak case for, say, Nick Fuentes. But a strong case for say, Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan and Charlie Kirk etc. I have not followed Owen so am unsure on his actual positions.

With regards to his views at face value. I am unfamiliar with Nick but I would not believe Owen's distrust. However people like Owen tend to have very strong hunches. In this case he's describing his hunch about Nick very poorly, from what I can tell. That is he has a bad feeling about Nick for some other reason that is difficult to logically describe.

I don't think hearing truth on national TV is sufficient evidence for it not being controlled. The more truthful TV is the more believable it is also, generally. From what I can tell/speculate TV has always been controlled yet it was much more truthful back in the day.

I know a few people in real life who are better than some celebrities and I think it's a consistent theme, many people know others who are better than celebrities. It is suspect then as to why they are celebrities. Roosh and Krauser were consistently the best with regards to PUA. Dalrock with Christian Marriage stuff. Vox Day with general news. Yet you have inferior, often significantly inferior people being promoted in the media while good people are being blocked from making promoted. Doesn't pass the smell test.
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(11-07-2019 02:46 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I believe he has a weak case for, say, Nick Fuentes. But a strong case for say, Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan and Charlie Kirk etc. I have not followed Owen so am unsure on his actual positions.

With regards to his views at face value. I am unfamiliar with Nick but I would not believe Owen's distrust. However people like Owen tend to have very strong hunches. In this case he's describing his hunch about Nick very poorly, from what I can tell. That is he has a bad feeling about Nick for some other reason that is difficult to logically describe.

In his big rant mentioned earlier he was angry that Nick claimed Jewish is an ethnicity, white people deserve their own country, Nick is 5'4", Nick calls his mom's boobs 'milkers' (a meme), Nick lives at home, and Nick is verified on Twitter - that's about it in that rant. Mostly illogical gibberish, like you said. Fuentes supporters went after his family online, but you can't really control what your supporters do.

Owen cited Jesus' teachings that everyone, including Jews and non-whites, has a soul and can make it into heaven, which is true. And a "yeah, ok" type moment. Nick doesn't advocate anything opposed to that.

Owen is also 25% Jewish, he mentions this a lot, so he might feel threatened by Nick talking about Jewish ethnicity.

The irony with Owen saying he's a Jew is that no one, other than Owen it seems, considers him a Jew by ethnicity nor religion. Nor would the Third Reich have considered Owen a Jew according to the Nuremberg Laws. So I'm not sure why he feels the need to mention he's 1/4 Jewish so frequently.
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(11-06-2019 01:27 PM)Knight of Malta Wrote:  Nick Fuentes is definitely in the right. Keep in mind all of this started after a superchatter brought up Owen Benjamin to Nick and asked if he would be willing to do another stream since they "agreed on everything." Nick said that he would be willing to do a stream with Owen but also said something like "I wouldn't say that we agree on everything." That was why Owen attacked him. It's literally starting a fight over nothing.

This is my understanding too, although I don't have time to listen to all of their livestreams and I feel like I might have at least somewhat missed Owen's side of the story.

Also, Nick's attacks on Owen seem mostly in response to Owen's going after Nick's family and amount to fair stuff like calling Owen "gay" and a "loser" and "Jewish." On the other hand, Owen goes on and on weirdly about Nick's mom's tits and is far more nasty and bizarre. He seems to perceive Nick as younger, cooler, smarter, and more talented (I would agree) and it infuriates him. If it's true that Nick's simply saying that he doesn't always agree with Owen set this whole thing off, it really makes Owen look bad.

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I'm not a regular Owen Benjamin listener but I've heard a few things from him. While he often says good things, he reminds me of Alex Jones in that he can be overheated and immature, extrapolating from areas of certainty into areas of heavy speculation and unfounded name calling.
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I’ll grant that it’s odd Nick is verified on Twitter when I’ve been banned for years for making one joke. Any account I try to create is instantly suspended if it either includes my name or comes from my IP address. That said, it’s also odd to watch a grown man attack a young kid with that level of acidity. Something unsettling about it.

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