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Charmer vs. Asshole
While developing my game, I hit obstacle at this area. Should I be charmer who makes a girl feel well about herself ? Or should I be asshole who doesn't care and speaks his mind ? Speaking my mind could be nice and could be mean at other situations . Naturally, I am more on asshole side. Maybe because I am so sarcastic .

What are your thoughts , guys ?
09-14-2018 05:49 PM
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
Forget that charmer shit. Asshole game all the way - not in the "idiotic asshole" way, but in the "don't give a fuck, outcome independent, abundance mentality" way. There's tons of threads talking about this basic stuff, bro, just search the Forum.

Charming, complimenting, all that asslicking shit should go to the annals of history as fake "PUA". You're the man, the prize. She should be qualifying herself to you, not the other way around. You shouldn't EVER lick a girl's ass or shower her with compliments - even in an LTR, keep the compliments scarce. Maintain your frame.

EDIT: a girl doesn't want to hear she's pretty or beautiful or that she has gorgeous eyes. She knows it, and she hears it from beta orbiters three times per day. What she wants is an alpha who dominates her and keeps her in her spot.
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
Thanks, buddy. What is the deal about being charmer to be able to connect with people and build rapport. This where I got confused .
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
Also, I am very low agreeable person.
09-14-2018 06:24 PM
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
Ah, that's bothering you. You see, buddy, it's about the nuances in terminology and context. I'll just lay down some basic concepts and do's and don't's for ya:

You have to be a bit laid back, easy going, open... so that you build rapport, yes. But you don't go licking people's asses, just spitting out compliments and shit.

Be the smug, self-amused, confident bastard with a slight grin who is talkative, but not impressed by anything. Don't be the guy who runs around the whole squad and desperately tries to win everyone's favor by commenting on EVERYBODY's necklace, earring, boots, heels, watch, beard, hairstyle, car etc.

So yeah, comment on somebody's tattoo or beard ONCE, keep the conversation going, but don't be the guy who desperately wants attention and opens up conversation with everyone about every little thing.
09-14-2018 06:29 PM
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
I'll give you two examples , let me know what do you think .
Girl # 1 : Do you like my new glasses ?
Me : No., because it has dark frame which makes your face darker . Try more bright color frame next time, it will go well with your skin tone. This your advice from GQ Tongue


Girl # 2 : Is this your style ?
Me : New for you. I have been wearing it for a while, but you just have never seen me.
Girl # 2: Oh really you became fashionable now.
Me : Oh you have no idea. My pic will be on the cover of GQ magazine
09-14-2018 06:46 PM
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
You aren't getting it. I can't quote "nicely", I'm on my mobile phone, I'll quote directly:

Girl1: "Mizo, do you like my glasses?"
Mizo: "No."

That's it. Get those hamsters spinning. "OMG I'M SUCH A PRETTY GIRL, WHY DOESN'T HE LIKE MY GLASSES?! MIZO, WHY DON'T YOU LIKE MY GLASSES, THEY'RE SO PRETTY, THEY MAKE MY FACE LOOK BEAUTIFUL, AIN'T THAT RIGHT, GIRL2?"

THEN you can go on, neg her even more or play the smartass etc.

Situation 2 is ok. A bit cocky, but if your game is tight, if you're confident and your body language is dominant, you're all set.
09-14-2018 06:54 PM
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
Thanks. Yes, I wasn't getting it. This is why I am asking.
09-14-2018 07:01 PM
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
Also for the negging, I lost it couple of times because it might have been too much negging.

Example below , this was second time to talk to this girl.

Girl # 3 : Oh, you have your master in XYZ
Mizo : Yes, I didn't like it, but I got GPA 4.0. What about you? You probably, you got 2.5 GPA or maybe 2.2 ( said jokingly to tease her )

This girl got so offended and stopped talking to me. She turned out to be so insecure.
Was it too much negging ??
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
Yeah, that might have went a bit over the line hahaha.

The point of negging is to show off your frame, that you're an alpha who has options and who isn't impressed by her shit playing the unicorn; but not to outright insult her in a really rude way - that's the "bad" asshole-game.

Negging is teasing, but not openly regarding her as dumb/ugly.

But don't worry, with practice, you'll come to know the border.

Side note: the tighter your game is and the better you look, the border is farther. I've seen guys physically rated 10 (no homo, lol) outright insult some bitches and still get the pussy - however, even they would get rejected because of such reckless insulting 4/10 times! So, don't be disrespectful.
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
Thanks , man .
What do you think ? How can I recover from situations like above , considering the damage has been done ?
I can do her a favor by the way . Should I do it as a good gesture? Or too much ass licking
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The difference between the two is one is good looking.
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Not just that Sidney but what we men call an asshole is completely different than when girls say "he's such an asshole!"

If you act like what we call an asshole you will seem like a bitter Omega cunt.
09-14-2018 10:00 PM
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@ Godfather ,
Examples please of bitter omega Cunt.
I am relatively new , and it seems I went to the other extreme.
09-14-2018 10:07 PM
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
If you talk some shit and it's funny/she laughs good. There's a ton of ways to tease a girl.


If you talk some shit and it's just mean spirited and the room goes silent it's bad. For example "You are a stupid, ugly bitch" to a girl you haven't fucked is the bitter omega asshole
09-14-2018 10:25 PM
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
how about a charming asshole? switch it up have her wondering.

Example

Girl- does this dress look nice on me
guy- Yeah that color brings out your eyes, can't wait to take it off you.

Most charming guys are assholes.

You can be either james bond or archer, both works.
09-14-2018 11:56 PM
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(09-14-2018 07:15 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  Girl # 3 : Oh, you have your master in XYZ
Mizo : Yes, I didn't like it, but I got GPA 4.0. What about you? You probably, you got 2.5 GPA or maybe 2.2 ( said jokingly to tease her )

See, this is just a straight insult. Do it in a way that she can't be sure if she's being insulted or not and it'll give her the drama-fuel she needs to stay interested.

I've never known a woman to get upset if you imply that she's stripping somewhere, and one who would is probably too hung up on herself to be worth banging anyway. Example:

Girl: "Oh, you have your master's in XYZ."

Mizo: "Yeah, I didn't like it. I got a 4.0, though. What about you? Let me guess. You were working on a graduate degree in classical dance but a tragic hamstring injury took you out of the game. You strip on weekends to make ends meet, but you're about to get fired because you're too shy to hard-sell the VIP room. How close am I?"

Save actual compliments to reward good behavior. If you become too much of a supply of positive energy without any compliance from her, she'll never fuck because she knows she has you hooked. You want her trying to figure out why you don't seem that into her and what she has to do next.

"Do you like this dress?" "It depends. Show me the panties you're wearing."

If she flashes them, she looks great in that dress.

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09-15-2018 08:27 AM
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Thanks , guys . No wonder she lost interest, but then when I told her I was teasing her,she showed interest again .
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
Remember that if a woman is attracted to you, your attention and approval is as valuable to her as money, maybe more valuable, since women rarely understand money very well.

The evolutionary need to know that valuable men value her and will hopefully protect her runs deep. (This is suspected as a primary cause of "factitious disorder", in which the patient - overwhelmingly female - begins making up fake emergencies as a crazy coping mechanism to make themselves feel safe knowing they have a way to command attention from doctors, firefighters, and policemen. There are cases of single mothers nearly killing their children to keep the steady stream of male rescuer attention going.)

You would not pay a man to do his job badly, so don't pay a woman for it, either. If you consistently shower her with positive attention when she refuses to suck your dick trying to change her mind, you are teaching her to always refuse to suck your dick.

Use your money on things that make your life more enjoyable and make you look and feel better, so that your attention - which costs you nothing - is as valuable as possible. Make sure your approval is contingent on her compliance.

"He always wanted to drift forever, but through the American Southwest."
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@ Jetset
I see but in this case . I fucked up first by insulting her and I had to recover, right?

Also , it seems if the girl is attracted to you or less than you in one life category or another , negging won’t be a good idea .

In the above mentioned case, the girl actually had a good GPA but she didn’t have a good job like mine ( which I don’t know at the time ) , this is why she got so offended
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(09-15-2018 08:27 AM)Jetset Wrote:  
(09-14-2018 07:15 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  Girl # 3 : Oh, you have your master in XYZ
Mizo : Yes, I didn't like it, but I got GPA 4.0. What about you? You probably, you got 2.5 GPA or maybe 2.2 ( said jokingly to tease her )

See, this is just a straight insult. Do it in a way that she can't be sure if she's being insulted or not and it'll give her the drama-fuel she needs to stay interested.

I've never known a woman to get upset if you imply that she's stripping somewhere, and one who would is probably too hung up on herself to be worth banging anyway. Example:

Girl: "Oh, you have your master's in XYZ."

Mizo: "Yeah, I didn't like it. I got a 4.0, though. What about you? Let me guess. You were working on a graduate degree in classical dance but a tragic hamstring injury took you out of the game. You strip on weekends to make ends meet, but you're about to get fired because you're too shy to hard-sell the VIP room. How close am I?"

Save actual compliments to reward good behavior. If you become too much of a supply of positive energy without any compliance from her, she'll never fuck because she knows she has you hooked. You want her trying to figure out why you don't seem that into her and what she has to do next.

"Do you like this dress?" "It depends. Show me the panties you're wearing."

If she flashes them, she looks great in that dress.

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From my understanding of Roosh he wants you to be really aggresive.
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RE: Charmer vs. Asshole
For me, it's a balance and doing both at the same time. typical Push/Pull.

Ex1. You open the door for her and slap her ass as she enters a building or your car.
Ex2. You cook some food, eat together and pretend to feed her, but you put it in your own mouth first. (You eventually share the food at the end)
Ex3. She asks you a favor like giving her water. You tell her, "You think you can just boss me around and stuff? Is this the starting point of a controlling relationship? Jeez...", she laughs, then you give her the water.

More like teasing. It's all about the SUBTLE NUANCES.

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The two don't have to be exclusive. Also, brevity is the soul of wit, but sometimes it's OK to be verbose.

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