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Tiger Man's mention of judicial reform when it comes to non-violent offenders brings up another issue.

How much has the conservative "lock 'em up!" mentality led to the whole country thinking this way...including feminists who now apparently think a mere accusation of sexual assault means "OMG! He's guilty!"

We're seeing this a lot now regarding the Supreme Court nomination of Brett Kavanaugh. And it's getting insane.

In the New York Times, a law professor just wrote that "credible allegations" should be enough to disqualify Kavanaugh (summary on Twichy here). Meanwhile, the Washington Post is claiming that withdrawing his nomination will "prevent future rapes." Huh? (Twichy link here).

This is not the way "the left" thought in its 1960s-70s heyday. What happened (in my opinion) is that in order to appeal to the populace, the left adapted the Police State mentality of the right -- starting with Bill Clinton's 1994 crime reform bill.

Somewhere along the line, both the right and left began ignoring due process in the cultural sense (note that I said cultural -- I'm talking about belief systems, not the law per se).

So on the right, we had local sheriffs and politicians celebrating the police's "no knock raids" and money-wasting "stings" where they enticed ordinary citizens into crimes. Their motto was " "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear."

Yeah, because false arrest and/or imprisonment NEVER happens (sarcasm). This, in my mind, led to the "accusation culture" we have now, because it put people in the mindset that somehow we're all guilty of something. The left and right have become two sides of the same coin.
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Military worship
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(09-20-2018 11:41 PM)Cobra Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:35 PM)Contagion Wrote:  Cobra, Samseau tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Simeon tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Countless others have tried to explain this to you 1,000 times. You did not listen.

I could write out a long response. I could.

However, sometimes views are best reflected by a single sentence. I'll leave this quote, by an Indian-British forum member who drops gold every single time that he posts on here, who gets it in a way that you never will:

(09-19-2018 05:11 PM)bojangles Wrote:  If my grandparents wanted to live amongst Indians they would never have left India.

I ran out of facepalm memes. Sorry.

I also like bojangles as he's a cool brown brother.

I hope he won't hate me because I want the US to turn into India. Laugh

I can't handle not having curry every evening for dinner.

Getting Zelcorpion back to the keyboard is always a pleasure. I just don't want to take it so far that he changes his username again. People are getting confused if he's a Civic Nationalist or a real one.

You see Cobra, I guarantee that you took that quote that I gave to you personally.

That quote indicates that Bojangles and his Indian immigrant family realize that without actual British people, the country of England no longer exists.

The military thing with you is getting old Cobra. Every month you make these big grand posts about how you served in the military. I'm going to give you some cold hard facts.

The USA could easily summon up a 5 million man army in the blink of an eye from the thousands of shitholes in India if they promised what the American service members currently already get:

1. Good pay that blows pretty much anything that most Indians are making out the water
2. A ticket to a free education in arguably one of the best places in the world to get an education
3. free housing
4. free food
5. free (CLEAN!) water
6. a pension after 20 years of service

Now throw in guaranteed citizenship to the 5 million man Indian mercenary army who descend from the various shitholes of India, and wallah, that army will be created in no time at all.

So no Cobra, you coming from a third world country and joining the military is not some big deal or some heroic act. To further hammer the point home, you did not once in your life see actual combat and do not say that you did. You have posted on here before that you were in the Navy and I know you weren't a Navy Seal because this forum would not hear the end of it if you had been one.

I don't give a shit if you were on a ship somewhere in the Navy during the Middle Eastern Wars, The Balkan Wars or any of the minor skirmishes anywhere else in the world. The United States has not had actual naval battles with navies that can compare to our navy since the Second World War. Third worlders shooting off crude made missiles at our aircraft carriers does not count.

This thread is actually perfect for what I'm talking about, conservative ideas that I reject - I reject the notion that I owe anybody shit just because they joined the military. And I damn sure reject the notion that they're somehow better than me because of their military service when they did not even engage in a single firefight with anybody during their time in the military.

When you're in the military, you get great benefits and are adequately paid for what you do. On top of that, if you're smart, you will be paid handsomely as a young person to learn a critical skill that you can utilize immediately when you get out of the military. When you take into consideration the 6 benefits that I listed above, no 18 -22 year old is going to come close to making that much money.

No, I never joined the military myself and no joining the military does not make you more American than it does from any other American. Once again, that's another conservative idea that I reject.

Which brings me to my next point. You ask how you can tell who is white? Well, you must know Cobra, you literally said that because you joined the military that you are more American than some white farm boy from Kansas.

Yes, I distinctly remember reading that post of yours from a few years ago and thinking how in the hell somebody could be that vane.

You want to know how you can tell if somebody is white or not?

Can you biologically create either one of these two people? Will your kids be able to biologically create either one of these two people?

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If you or your children do not have the biological capability of creating a person that has blue eyes and red or blonde hair, than you are not white. I know you like to think of the Indians as the new Irish, but trust me, they are not, and they never will be.

And while I'm at it, nobody owes you shit for your childhood sob stories that you ramble on about here day in and day out. Boo fucking hoo, the white kids didn't like you when you were a kid. Get over yourself and get out of here with that narcissistic bullshit.

That brings me to my next point - No matter what you have done for the country, you’re right that it's not enough because your descendants will help contribute to the decline of America.

Allow me to elaborate: You have stated before that you married some ethnic Indian woman from one of the Caribbean Islands. That means that your kids are not white. That means that your grandkids will not be white either, no matter who they breed with.

That means that your kids and grandkids are overwhelmingly likely to be voting in open borders leftists who have no qualms about replacing the European stock who, while not natives to the land, are the ones who by and large built the country of the United States into what it is today.

Your kids and grandkids will not give a damn how conservative you are, they will simply say that Grandpa is old and that it was different back then. They will then cast their ballots for the open border leftists. Mark my words.

Essentially, it doesn't mean shit how conservative you are. Your kids and grandkids will most likely be voting open borders leftists who, just like you, think that race should not be a factor in any of this.

All of this will be happening at a time when your descendants ancestral homelands of India will continue to see the traditional ethnic makeup of the region swell into the billions, while the European diaspora will see the ethnic makeup of our ancestral homelands morph into something unrecognizable from the past several thousand years, where our people are reduced to hated minorities.

No, I don't believe the solution should be to kick you guys out or anything like that. I would not give a damn if the USA became the center point for a globohomo multicultural paradise, if that meant that I could return to my ancestral homelands. I've been to my ancestral homelands, they are beautiful, rich with history and with a people who descend from the same group of people that I do.

The only problem is that my ancestral homelands are being overrun by third worlders who come pouring in, and their children who have such a desire and need to fit into the larger group that they scream and shout at the top of their lungs that the ethnic makeup of a country should not be important.

This is despite the fact that it's clear as fucking day that many of the non-whites in Europe vote, act, live and do business as a consensual block.

This is despite the fact that those non-white children are an absolute racial majority in the world and the native white population are an absolute racial minority in the world.

Whatever man. Like I said, nobody can get through to guys like you on this forum.

You want my solution to all of this? Fine. Here it is.

The best solution would be the for Cobra's of the world to live in their race blind globohomo multicultural paradises and let the Europeans keep their ancestral homelands in Europe. As for whites in the Anglosphere, let them live in their own communities if they so choose to do so. But all of this is under one condition – No matter how shitty the globohomo multicultural paradises that the Cobra’s of the world choose to live in, they can’t come to European safe spaces. It’s off limits.

But that won't happen because guys like Cobra and his globohomo buddies at the United Nations will scream and shout “Whitelash! Whitelash! Whitelash!” and bitch and moan about how racist it is for the whites or ethnic Europeans to want their own living spaces in the world.

And of course while they chant Whitelash over and over again, not a single fucking Indian, whether in India or somewhere else in the diaspora, will ever once in their lives promote open borders in India and proclaim that since race doesn't matter, that it's time to let millions upon millions of Pakistanis flood into the nation of India.

Cobra and all the other civic nationalists on this forum: If you all like living around white people and the civilizations that we have created, then you better come to grips with what the “Build That Wall!” chant is all about when it’s being chanted by ten of thousands of people in every single city that Trump travels to in this country.

You do not get a chant like that because of debates about Keynesian economics.

Wake up.
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(09-22-2018 01:50 AM)Contagion Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:41 PM)Cobra Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:35 PM)Contagion Wrote:  Cobra, Samseau tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Simeon tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Countless others have tried to explain this to you 1,000 times. You did not listen.

I could write out a long response. I could.

However, sometimes views are best reflected by a single sentence. I'll leave this quote, by an Indian-British forum member who drops gold every single time that he posts on here, who gets it in a way that you never will:

(09-19-2018 05:11 PM)bojangles Wrote:  If my grandparents wanted to live amongst Indians they would never have left India.

I ran out of facepalm memes. Sorry.

I also like bojangles as he's a cool brown brother.

I hope he won't hate me because I want the US to turn into India. Laugh

I can't handle not having curry every evening for dinner.

Getting Zelcorpion back to the keyboard is always a pleasure. I just don't want to take it so far that he changes his username again. People are getting confused if he's a Civic Nationalist or a real one.

You see Cobra, I guarantee that you took that quote that I gave to you personally.

That quote indicates that Bojangles and his Indian immigrant family realize that without actual British people, the country of England no longer exists.

The military thing with you is getting old Cobra. Every month you make these big grand posts about how you served in the military. I'm going to give you some cold hard facts.

The USA could easily summon up a 5 million man army in the blink of an eye from the thousands of shitholes in India if they promised what the American service members currently already get:

1. Good pay that blows pretty much anything that most Indians are making out the water
2. A ticket to a free education in arguably one of the best places in the world to get an education
3. free housing
4. free food
5. free (CLEAN!) water
6. a pension after 20 years of service

Now throw in guaranteed citizenship to the 5 million man Indian mercenary army who descend from the various shitholes of India, and wallah, that army will be created in no time at all.

So no Cobra, you coming from a third world country and joining the military is not some big deal or some heroic act. To further hammer the point home, you did not once in your life see actual combat and do not say that you did. You have posted on here before that you were in the Navy and I know you weren't a Navy Seal because this forum would not hear the end of it if you had been one.

I don't give a shit if you were on a ship somewhere in the Navy during the Middle Eastern Wars, The Balkan Wars or any of the minor skirmishes anywhere else in the world. The United States has not had actual naval battles with navies that can compare to our navy since the Second World War. Third worlders shooting off crude made missiles at our aircraft carriers does not count.

This thread is actually perfect for what I'm talking about, conservative ideas that I reject - I reject the notion that I owe anybody shit just because they joined the military. And I damn sure reject the notion that they're somehow better than me because of their military service when they did not even engage in a single firefight with anybody during their time in the military.

When you're in the military, you get great benefits and are adequately paid for what you do. On top of that, if you're smart, you will be paid handsomely as a young person to learn a critical skill that you can utilize immediately when you get out of the military. When you take into consideration the 6 benefits that I listed above, no 18 -22 year old is going to come close to making that much money.

No, I never joined the military myself and no joining the military does not make you more American than it does from any other American. Once again, that's another conservative idea that I reject.

Which brings me to my next point. You ask how you can tell who is white? Well, you must know Cobra, you literally said that because you joined the military that you are more American than some white farm boy from Kansas.

Yes, I distinctly remember reading that post of yours from a few years ago and thinking how in the hell somebody could be that vane.

You want to know how you can tell if somebody is white or not?

Can you biologically create either one of these two people? Will your kids be able to biologically create either one of these two people?

[Image: blue-eyed-blond-teen-looking-over-should...?s=612x612]

[Image: elHr6kT.jpg]

If you or your children do not have the biological capability of creating a person that has blue eyes and red or blonde hair, than you are not white. I know you like to think of the Indians as the new Irish, but trust me, they are not, and they never will be.

And while I'm at it, nobody owes you shit for your childhood sob stories that you ramble on about here day in and day out. Boo fucking hoo, the white kids didn't like you when you were a kid. Get over yourself and get out of here with that narcissistic bullshit.

That brings me to my next point - No matter what you have done for the country, you’re right that it's not enough because your descendants will help contribute to the decline of America.

Allow me to elaborate: You have stated before that you married some ethnic Indian woman from one of the Caribbean Islands. That means that your kids are not white. That means that your grandkids will not be white either, no matter who they breed with.

That means that your kids and grandkids are overwhelmingly likely to be voting in open borders leftists who have no qualms about replacing the European stock who, while not natives to the land, are the ones who by and large built the country of the United States into what it is today.

Your kids and grandkids will not give a damn how conservative you are, they will simply say that Grandpa is old and that it was different back then. They will then cast their ballots for the open border leftists. Mark my words.

Essentially, it doesn't mean shit how conservative you are. Your kids and grandkids will most likely be voting open borders leftists who, just like you, think that race should not be a factor in any of this.

All of this will be happening at a time when your descendants ancestral homelands of India will continue to see the traditional ethnic makeup of the region swell into the billions, while the European diaspora will see the ethnic makeup of our ancestral homelands morph into something unrecognizable from the past several thousand years, where our people are reduced to hated minorities.

No, I don't believe the solution should be to kick you guys out or anything like that. I would not give a damn if the USA became the center point for a globohomo multicultural paradise, if that meant that I could return to my ancestral homelands. I've been to my ancestral homelands, they are beautiful, rich with history and with a people who descend from the same group of people that I do.

The only problem is that my ancestral homelands are being overrun by third worlders who come pouring in, and their children who have such a desire and need to fit into the larger group that they scream and shout at the top of their lungs that the ethnic makeup of a country should not be important.

This is despite the fact that it's clear as fucking day that many of the non-whites in Europe vote, act, live and do business as a consensual block.

This is despite the fact that those non-white children are an absolute racial majority in the world and the native white population are an absolute racial minority in the world.

Whatever man. Like I said, nobody can get through to guys like you on this forum.

You want my solution to all of this? Fine. Here it is.

The best solution would be the for Cobra's of the world to live in their race blind globohomo multicultural paradises and let the Europeans keep their ancestral homelands in Europe. As for whites in the Anglosphere, let them live in their own communities if they so choose to do so. But all of this is under one condition – No matter how shitty the globohomo multicultural paradises that the Cobra’s of the world choose to live in, they can’t come to European safe spaces. It’s off limits.

But that won't happen because guys like Cobra and his globohomo buddies at the United Nations will scream and shout “Whitelash! Whitelash! Whitelash!” and bitch and moan about how racist it is for the whites or ethnic Europeans to want their own living spaces in the world.

And of course while they chant Whitelash over and over again, not a single fucking Indian, whether in India or somewhere else in the diaspora, will ever once in their lives promote open borders in India and proclaim that since race doesn't matter, that it's time to let millions upon millions of Pakistanis flood into the nation of India.

Cobra and all the other civic nationalists on this forum: If you all like living around white people and the civilizations that we have created, then you better come to grips with what the “Build That Wall!” chant is all about when it’s being chanted by ten of thousands of people in every single city that Trump travels to in this country.

You do not get a chant like that because of debates about Keynesian economics.

Wake up.

My god this shit again.

So to stay in the tone and spirit of this thread as someone on the far far old school pre-fascist conception of right wing.

My issue with the modern "right wing" is as follows.

Your skin color doesn't owe you shit.

Who your ancestors were doesn't owe you shit.

You know what that does give you though? Responsibility.

Yes responsibility. People like YOU need to shape up and start emulating them.

Get out into the world. Start lifting. Start accruing wealth. Start reproducing. Better yourself.

Stop posting here as often as you do unless it is honestly constructive and bettering your future(be it enlightening others to resources philosophically, spiritually, financially, etc. because politically you'd have to be blind to not know what is what and who stands for who and what policies you want. No one anymore is ignorant politically). Stop watching 10 hour Warski live podcasts.

I see the same posters in the same spots complaining about the same shit. If anything even the Trump thread should be limited to what people can do to actively help the effort. Get their boots on the ground.

Hell I myself have been politically active locally as of late. I won't say what or where. But I'm trying. I'm trying real hard Ringo.

Being politically active is about active and meaningful boots on the ground work. There comes a point where political debate is pointless. Why because it only works to move fence sitters. And no one. And I mean no one is on the fence anymore about shit.

Trump was a nut up or shut up moment for all parties and everyone has a picked side. Now go out and actually show yours counts for something.

And to my earlier point about ancestry and skin color.

Guys like Cobra are more actively spreading the honor, value, and spirit of your ancestors than people like Contagion have. He has kids. They do sports. They have proper guidance. They wave the American flag.

How many here can say the same?

When the only white and minority people reproducing are morons in low income housing while the well to do intelligentsia continues to rot away in their ivory towers debating the semantics of Richard Spencer or on the other end Karl Marx is there any hope?

None whatsoever.

And from the ethnonationalists I have met. Most are no different than a certain Jean Valjean. They simply want women as chattel slaves to serve them more doritos while they jerk off and play more Counterstrike and there only be whites whenever they decide to see the outside world.

All the end goal seems to be is replace Jewish elites with white ones as if the rot rests with race rather than in the institution and the qualities of people.

And so the cycle repeats.

The same issues were around during the Wars of Religion so they put a Peace of Westphalia on it assuming that would solve it. People thought it was government form and we saw the French Revolution, Napoleonic Wars, and 1836 rend Europe a new one. And then the same issues popped up. Then we thought it was Nationalism during the World Wars and boom nothing changes.

Here we are again and people don't realize that the rot comes from within civilization, the people, and culture itself.

So lets have our racialist war and watch people propagate the same shitstain. Entitled people who fall to their own self-corruption, greed, and sloth. Whom disregard decency and decorum.

So another generation of Dorito munching, redbull drinking, funny maymay making(le top kek), Counterstrike playing soyboys can rise up to do the same shit all over again.

As for me, I'll be building a life so that my children can live well and incorporate as well as pass on those values that I find worthwhile The way things are going no one else really wants too.

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My problem with that attack on Cobra is that America is not a white country. There have been blacks here just as long as us, and in many people's cases their European family came here in the 20th century. I do agree we need to keep the race ratio tilted as much towards whites as possible, but mostly because we are too benevolent a people to survive as a minority. If whites were tribal enough, which you see now we are not (although this is largely due to the likes of the Frankfurt School, and Jewish ability to take advantage of gentile's good hearts from our Christian culture) we could probably do fine even at 30%, because we would use force to protect our interests.

However, Western Civilization was largely built on Christianity, so to keep our civilization and it's values we need to be the majority, or the only choice is tribal warfare.

Note: I fully 100% support white tribalism at this juncture, for our survival.

Anyways, I can't think of a better way to assimilate/naturalize than military service, so the attack on Cobra on that front is not productive.
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And... This page is EXACTLY why the while "but much civic nationalism" crowd are morons.

Idiots like that are driving out literally everyone from the redpill movement who isn't white.

Atlanta Man is gone because of you folks. Cobra is less active... And quite a few other folks have left as well because of race obaessed, average smarr folks who.... Just "coincidentally" are also the same people who bought wholesale into Mystery PUA and MGTOW.

Simple question. Is this movement stronger if it consists of traditionalists, or if it consists only of white traditionalists?
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I am not a white nationalist. I don't consider America a white country, but we need to be the majority.

The problem is white nationalist have no solution to offer.

Ultimately the best thing us white men can do is solve the problem is internally. Namely, we need to bring our woman under control again. This would improve EVERYTHING, including the birthrate.

However, this is difficult, involves improving yourself. You might need to seek out recently banned books for advice. Political obstacles. But it is possible for us white men to grow some balls. Not as easy as promoting impossible shit like making America a white country, which it never was.
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(09-23-2018 12:19 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  And... This page is EXACTLY why the while "but much civic nationalism" crowd are morons.

Idiots like that are driving out literally everyone from the redpill movement who isn't white.

Atlanta Man is gone because of you folks. Cobra is less active... And quite a few other folks have left as well because of race obaessed, average smarr folks who.... Just "coincidentally" are also the same people who bought wholesale into Mystery PUA and MGTOW.

Simple question. Is this movement stronger if it consists of traditionalists, or if it consists only of white traditionalists?

Yeah - they are all morons - morons like 100% Jewish corporate lawyers like Frame Games and morons like 160-IQ black Americans like Renegade of Funk.

Don't scare anyone away guys!

Contagion raised needlessly shit, but the Western countries were not created just because of Christianity. All South American countries are Christian and some African countries were Christian-dominated for centuries.

Traditionalism is like republic conservatism - it conserved nothing.

And the US has been created by European settlers - sorry if that offends you, but if you really think that the results would be the same with a 90% African-descended population, then you are deluded. Haiti was the wealthiest colony in the world before the rebellion. Then it turned into a 100% black ethno-state more than 200 years ago. Why didn't they continue with the progress shown before? There are countless other such examples from Detroit, Baltimore to Rhodesia - heck even Brazil.

Countries like Liberia have the US constitution and US economic system - an essential carbon copy.

The European-ethnic traditionalism was part of the US core - so much so that it was hardly ever mentioned, but they deported scores of immigrants even as far as the 1920s who ticked off White, but weren't.

Sure - cleaning your room, making money and caring about your legacy, but all of this will help you little when you have become Brazil or a Euro-Arab-dominated European country.





The Jewish Frame Games goes here through the examples of what happened in history and what will happen in the future.

You might think back to those words in the coming decades, but it will be too late to change things then - it's too late to change them anyway even now since all arguments devolve instantly into accusations of "Nazi" like on some SJW-campus.

And this is not an attack on Cobra or anyone who disagrees - it does not make you any lesser man or I think less of you. You are just not seeing the reality of the world as it is, but want to see what it might be in the future. The Jewish people who are smarter than this know it - they advocate for open borders in countries in the West and are already planning a Coalition of the New Majority - blacks, Hispanics and Muslims under Jewish leadership against the Whites - many are concerned, because the other tribes cannot be guilt-tripped so easily:

https://cis.org/Report/Jewish-Stake-Amer...Demography

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The Jewish people know that demographics are destiny and that is why they created now an ethnic defined policy for Israel - the minorities won't be genocided there, but the state definitely knows what it is doing. That is why they reject Ethiopians who lived as converted Jews for centuries while accepting Russians and Ukrainians with one Jewish grandfather - so essentially Russians who are 1/4 Jewish and their 100% gentile Russian husband - they are being accepted as Jews. They know what they are doing, because they are not as brainwashed as the rest of the West which has been beset by decades of propaganda.

And again - this is no attack, with full respect and no ill-feelings.

Scotch still on me - it's not as if this is going to matter. The Soros-globo-homo-civic-nationalism bunch are winning anyway. They even keep on winning with Trump in power - the funding of the wall proves it. Schumer got more federal funding for a local tunnel in his state than the wall would have cost - that's conservatism to you. They have a wall fit for the zombie apocalypse and you get repainted fences here and there. They have ethno-nationalism based on observable patterns and common sense - you get open borders, refugee settlement plans and a glorious Coalition of the new Majority against the founding tribe of the USA.

That is how the cookie crumbles.

I can discuss this all with a smile and tear in the eye. I used to share your views and haven't thought about it as much until I studied the concepts. I reject all radicals or Nazi-Aryan-larpers and would fight the Nazis, I would defend even Cobra and his family or Atlanta Man with my life (even defend vehemently his right to bang White girls), but this does not change my assessment of the overall points of nation building and what makes up countries and cultures.

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In the end I think technology is changing the world so rapidly and fundamentally that nationalism vs globalism is already yesterday's argument. The Singularity is approaching and in 50 years it's likely we won't even recognise this planet. I can't see any room for theistic religions or nation states as presently constituted. So I don't feel the need to fight for something which won't be relevant in a decade or two.

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(09-22-2018 07:07 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  My problem with that attack on Cobra is that America is not a white country. There have been blacks here just as long as us, and in many people's cases their European family came here in the 20th century. I do agree we need to keep the race ratio tilted as much towards whites as possible, but mostly because we are too benevolent a people to survive as a minority. If whites were tribal enough, which you see now we are not (although this is largely due to the likes of the Frankfurt School, and Jewish ability to take advantage of gentile's good hearts from our Christian culture) we could probably do fine even at 30%, because we would use force to protect our interests.

However, Western Civilization was largely built on Christianity, so to keep our civilization and it's values we need to be the majority, or the only choice is tribal warfare.

Note: I fully 100% support white tribalism at this juncture, for our survival.

Anyways, I can't think of a better way to assimilate/naturalize than military service, so the attack on Cobra on that front is not productive.

The presence of Blacks and native Americans in the Americas at the same time, doesn't alter the fact that the United States was/is a white country. It's a typical lefty red herring frankly. Because the political, cultural, and economic structures of the nation were entirely European. If you disagree, point out the Black founding father for me.

I'd argue that Apartheid South Africa was a white country. Because again, the nation state and all it's apparatuses were built by whites. Same in Rhodesia.

Those countries were incredibly prosperous even under a small but dominant white minority. Now look at them.

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Quote:The Jewish people know that demographics are destiny and that is why they created now an ethnic defined policy for Israel - the minorities won't be genocided there, but the state definitely knows what it is doing. That is why they reject Ethiopians who lived as converted Jews for centuries while accepting Russians and Ukrainians with one Jewish grandfather - so essentially Russians who are 1/4 Jewish and their 100% gentile Russian husband - they are being accepted as Jews. They know what they are doing, because they are not as brainwashed as the rest of the West which has been beset by decades of propaganda.

I take solace in the fact that Israel has also been infected with the virus of multiculturalism and Palestinian Israelis are 20% of the population and rapidly outbreeding the Jews.

Looks like they won't have a country to call their own either.
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So if all of this is inevitable and the "globalists" will win anyway, why are you spending so much time and energy trying to convince us that it matters? Whats the point in posting a million random YouTube videos by Frame Gay or whoever?

Then you trash a person's race, culture or religion and say "oh but I would fight for this man's life"? Huh? Laugh

Bruh, you are so full of it it's probably starting to come out of your ears.

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(09-23-2018 07:30 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  So if all of this is inevitable and the "globalists" will win anyway, why are you spending so much time and energy trying to convince us that it matters? Whats the point in posting a million random YouTube videos by Frame Gay or whoever?

Then you trash a person's race, culture or religion and say "oh but I would fight for this man's life"? Huh? Laugh

Bruh, you are so full of it it's probably starting to come out of your ears.

Ah - the usual personal attacks, because there is nothing to be said about the topics. Because even if I were a nationalistic Israeli, I would be for an ethno-state definition of Israel, but I would be against some kind of brutal genocide against Arab and the few black Israelis. And I would defend those neighbors in extreme conditions.

What is so hard to understand there?

In your black and white world you are either globo-homo-open borders or instantly genocidal murdering maniac with nothing in between, no common sense, no nothing.

Also "trashing someone's culture" is not what I said. I merely stated facts and you can go and state counter-facts if you wish, but it's easier to attack someone personally or with passive-aggressive name-calling. Why facts when you can scream "Nazi racist!" like all the other SJW out there?

Fine - you disagree - and you can make the counter-claim that the US settled by 90% African immigrants would be identical if not better to the US that has been created. Sure - now all you have to do is back it up with some facts, historical accounts, real-life current-day accounts, of massive amounts of other tribes moving to those successful nations and you are all set.

Or you can say: "I don't care, I disagree." Fine. But you rather prefer to call me names, because that fits better your exalted supreme argumentative character.

Why continue with all of that? Ah well - a fool's errand perhaps and the ever busy mind of whatever I am. Random musings of a restless mind - you can disagree or it may change your mind someday, who knows. Maybe this is not the right place for this.

I am thinking of starting a Youtube channel with a modified voice. And yes - the chances for the West to wake up to this are small, but at least they are there. Jared Taylor when he started out thought that he would just be a voice for posterior generations studied later by the historians that not all were as dumb as the rest. Now he said that there is a slight chance that actual change may come, but it's a small chance. And Jared is likely oblivious to the usury power matrix that Carroll Quigley and Antony Sutton have written about. But maybe it will be the founding soil for future nations after the current ones have been destroyed - we shall see.
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The post above by Contagion was a pretty nasty personal attack. I don't care much about it but wouldn't want him to do that to any other member. He had PM'd me about a week ago and asked me the below.

Contagion Wrote:Since I got a 1 week ban thanks to your buddy Doc, after I simply stated facts and figures in the black man game thread, I can't reply to your post. So, I'll reply to this by PM:

Quote:Burt and I would get along well because we're both nationalists period. I don't think he would hate me because I'm non-European. I truly believe that."

I want to understand where you are coming from with your thought processes. If you don't want to reply to me, I understand no problem.

Cobra, why do tens of thousands of white people chant in unison "build that wall" at Trump rallies? Go ahead, and list all the reasons why they chant that slogan.

After listing your reasons why they chant that slogan, I want you to tell me, at it's core, what does the chant "Build That Wall" mean?

I then replied this to the post:

Cobra Wrote:Hey bro, I don't believe it was right to insult you and Thot Leader the way I did. I regret and offer my apologies.

I have no idea what thousands of white people are thinking man. Everyone is different. I don't assume someone's character before meeting them.

I think that the black man thread is for game and some of the elite few of us of any race that post in game threads are likely going to be in the top 5% of men that get top pussy. We don't believe in race as much as game. So we overcome our limitations. Game isn't very logical. When someone posts logical analysis that are based on lots of data, it may not be well received because we are outliers. Maybe you may not see that. However, I believe that's why you received the ban.

I would welcome you to get to know some of the non-white members better and maybe meet a few. I'm happy to buy a round if you are ever in Chicago.

-Cobra

At that point, I knew he had some seething hatred towards me. I then made my post only to make general observations about his post rather than a personal attack against him. Especially considering I did that before and (rightfully) got a 7 day ban.

He couldn't handle it and decided to blow his load. I had a feeling he would.

A problem exists on the forum right now from many members like Contagion that want to turn the political section and even the forum itself into their own autistic screeching mechanism. The unfortunate thing is that there are many other members around that think like him. These guys hopefully see now that the forum isn't a soapbox for their victim mentality and irresponsible attitude.




(09-22-2018 07:07 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  Note: I fully 100% support white tribalism at this juncture, for our survival.

Anyways, I can't think of a better way to assimilate/naturalize than military service, so the attack on Cobra on that front is not productive.

I fully agree with this as well as long as guys know and understand I'm on their side. For the record and I've mentioned it many times, I don't want this to turn into India. If I wanted another India, I would go and live there. I like the American culture. I know it has its flaws but I accept and cherish it highly.

As Contagion (may the forum gods rest his soul) would like to have believed, I didn't join the Navy for the benefits he listed out so well. I always had pride when I saluted the flag. Never mistake a patriot with a hollow point for a hollow patriot. I'm ready to defend the values of this country any time and there are many like me.

(09-23-2018 02:02 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  I am not a white nationalist. I don't consider America a white country, but we need to be the majority.

The problem is white nationalist have no solution to offer.

Ultimately the best thing us white men can do is solve the problem is internally. Namely, we need to bring our woman under control again. This would improve EVERYTHING, including the birthrate.

However, this is difficult, involves improving yourself. You might need to seek out recently banned books for advice. Political obstacles. But it is possible for us white men to grow some balls. Not as easy as promoting impossible shit like making America a white country, which it never was.

I consider this one of the best posts yet. I am on the same side as you as I would not want this to be any other majority than white. Assimilated non-white people like me, doc and kaotic are rare. I'm grateful to be surrounded by the culture of this country and like Comte said, I'm here to preserve it. I appreciate Indian culture, but I can go to India if I want more of it.

I'll provide a real life example:
My kids' friends are white. Our neighbors are white. As a matter of fact, my neighbors across the street are all-american high school sweethearts. The guy is a high school football coach. They have 4 great kids. That's right: 4!!! The youngest is best friends with my oldest daughter. The oldest kid mows my lawn (and does a great job). I fucking love those people. I want more of them around me, but sadly, instead we have guys like Contagion that mentally masturbate on the internet all day. It's a joke.

We enjoy being in this neighborhood because it’s more homogenously white and conservative. There are a few families, black, Indian, etc that also get along fine. IRTs wouldn't move here because they aren't close to their own and it's uncomfortable for them. This isn’t some supposed globo homo neighborhood that I keep hearing about from some people here. This is a real life conservative American community. It actually exists. My kids will be mixed into this even if they’re brown. They may have some issues here and there but they have me to guide them. They will promote the values white predecessors created, while others diminish them.

Again, why don't we band together and fight the liberalism that's actually killing the white identity? I, for one, am down for that because it also helps my kids have more choice in better communities in the future. I sure as hell don't want them to be surrounded by IRTs with BO problems and WRTs that have a soy and keyboard addiction.

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< I like your post Cobra and I thought about as much. It reaffirms my statement, that I would fight to defend you and your family. I am more an Identitarian and White Westerners have to get their shit together - but obviously all with common sense, moderation and no fucking genocide or purity-insanity.

Indians are not going to be able or willing to swarm the US anyway. I read up a bit on India's immigration and the diaspora is tiny with only 15 mio. having moved out - that's barely 1% of the population. Most of them were poor and ended up in the Middle East. The smarter ones moved to the West. Now you get lots of immigrants from the less fortunate countries like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. due to the relative prosperity that is beginning to happen in India.

The West has got to get their shit together. If it doesn't then the US and the neighborhoods you enjoy will become ever more like Brazil - not Mumbai. I just wish that you wouldn't call every white bloke a WRT because he mentions some tribal topics vs boobs and vagana. But - that is your prerogative and you can call guys what you want, but I would never call you an IRT and probably no one sane here did. The funny thing is that there is online-persona and views and real life. I know that Nick Krauser is friends with Indians, but he is closer to the Nazi-spectrum politically, though obviously he understands the difference of individuals as he is not a dumb cunt.

I personally served with a Sikh in the military and he was our company's best sharpshooter - very nice guy, one close friend back in the West was a half-Indian 6"5 guy with a white mother (according to Bojangles that guy lost his Indian card - heh - I don't know about that), I banged some crazy British-Indian girls who were more British, so one might say that I got immersed in the Indian culture balls-deep. And my long-term views of the country of India is even better, because I see the massive k-selected potential there that will yet manifest itself itself.

Anyway - peace out - drinks for everyone on me.
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Cobra, great post.

The difference between someone who walks the walk vs. race-obsessed keyboard jockeys.

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(09-15-2018 06:15 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  Agree mostly with the above.

Abortion, while I feel is immoral and would never advocate in my own life, is necessary to prevent dysgenic population growth.

The autistic libertarian view that all humans are interchangeable and GDP growth is the highest goal in policy also irks me.

Spending the past 20+ years exposed to ghetto & welfare culture made me pro-abortion. I have come to the conclusion we are a product far more of our genetics that our upbringing. Nature >>>> nurture. The 'blank slate' theory is a fraud. Low IQ thugs breed more low IQ thugs...
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Not having any sort of national healthcare. Is everyone really opposed to having a little extra tax for a guarantee that you won’t die from illness/injury?

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(09-27-2018 11:36 PM)Graft Wrote:  Not having any sort of national healthcare. Is everyone really opposed to having a little extra tax for a guarantee that you won’t die from illness/injury?

I have lived in countries with national healthcare and countries without. I can see the positives and negatives to both scenarios. That being said, my recent reading of and posts in the Huffington Post Fat Acceptance thread got me thinking about this.

In places like the UK and Canada, you have a huge number of people who are continuously (and I mean throughout their entire lives) sponging off of the healthcare system. And their healthcare problems, where they exist, are mostly self-caused and self-perpetuating.

I recently read an article that claimed that upwards of thirty percent of people in Saskatchewan have a registered disability. My recent hospital experience(s) in the Prairies lead me to believe that a good number of obese people are registered disabled. This provides benefits well beyond a nice parking spot (as long as the government is going to get involved, shouldn't we be having fat people park as far away from the door as possibe?). So, they get "free" healthcare, they are often prioritized for surgeries (over, say, geriatric patients), and they get ancillary benefits from the system.

If I am to support a publicly-funded system, two conditions are absolute requirements. The first is that a two-tiered system must be legally allowable. I shouldn't have to jump on a plane to New York if I want proper and expedient medical care. The second is that there must be patient accountability (skin in the game) for those with self-caused medical issues. For example, if you are morbidly obese and have been diagnosed as diabetic, I believe you should be put on a sort of "sliding scale" for medical and pharmaceutical coverage. As long as you stay obese, the scale continues to slide. In year one, 100% is covered. In year two, 80%. Etc. Etc. By year five, you are on your own. Half a decade is a reasonable amount of time for an individual to make significant changes to their diet and lifestyle, especially with that kind of incentive. Those that don't can avail themselves of charity or shuffle off (which they seem to want to anyway).

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In America I disagree with the idea that Ronald Reagan is some sort of conservative god. Living in California I can tell you he has made getting a gun harder, ruined the state's demographics, and left a shit ton of debt. I like Rand and Ron Paul though so I am pretty far right wing. I think the attacks against Rand are pretty far out, he's a good man who does great things but just compromised on issues so he can get more done.
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- That car culture and suburban sprawl represent "freedom" and are the only viable solution for middle class living. High-density American cities like SF and NYC do a poor job of representing the concept of modern city living. Look at Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, and Singapore for good examples. Of course we all know that the people running US cities would never do that.

- That all Schedule I drugs should remain illegal. Substances like psilocybin and cannabis can be used for positive ends. Conservatives who are ignorant about these substances but think they should be illegal are like liberals and foreigners who are ignorant about firearms but think they should be heavily restricted or banned.

- That the educational system needs to be saved by fixing liberal policies such as affirmative action and political correctness. The real problems with modern education are systemic. It's simply not a good use of time for youths to spending ages 6-22 in educational institutions run by state-certified educators rather than being taught in the real life world through mentorship and hands-on experience. Plus it just teaches people (especially men) that they need to passively receive knowledge by their overlords rather than learning to acquire knowledge by self-motivated learning.
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(09-28-2018 12:45 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  If I am to support a publicly-funded system, two conditions are absolute requirements.

Check out the system Singapore setup.

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